Now Trump even disses Steffi Graf - or doesn't he?

[calim...@gmx.de]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/donald-trump-women-comments-misogyny-jennifer-lopez

... Moments later, he and Stern were discussing tennis pro Steffi Graf. Trump called her a "great girl," and Stern replied, "She's not hot." Trump responded, "She's got one of the greatest bodies ever." Stern shot back: "But what about the face?...[The] body's a 10. What's the face?" Trump had an answer: "Well, you never get to the face because the body's so good." ...


Max

[Shakes]

We will let Court_1 comment on this. :))

[bob]

did you buy your "make america great" shirt now?

bob

[soccerfan777]

I thinks he is insulting her by saying you never have to get to the face. IMO peak (in terms of looks) Graf had a good face even if you do not ignore the nose.

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 3:10:12 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:

> We will let Court_1 comment on this. :))

Ha ha. Maybe I would vote for him after all. ;)

He's right about Graf. Fabulous body, shame about the face.

[calim...@gmx.de]

http://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/origs4769235/2138517983-w630-h472-o-q75-p5/urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-150623-99-01985-large-4-3.jpg

"Shame about the face"?
I'm sure you would have given your right arm to have had such a nice face when you were in your mid-40 ...

Max

[calim...@gmx.de]

"... again", you dummy.

Which shows how dumb Trump and his minions are. America has never ceased to be great.
Obama, Trump, and bob notwithstanding.

Max

[Court_1]

I am in my 40s and I have a better face without a doubt. Her body on the other hand is another story. Super body.

[Shakes]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 2:58:43 PM UTC-7, calim...@gmx.de wrote:

>
> "... again", you dummy.
>
> Which shows how dumb Trump and his minions are. America has never ceased to be great.
> Obama, Trump, and bob notwithstanding.
>
> Max

You do know that bob is American, right ?

[soccerfan777]

Helena jankovic qualifies for great body average face. Not Steffi.

[soccerfan777]

Mary Pierce has a great body and okay face. She is a better example than Graf. Graf always had a pretty face.

[Gracchus]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 3:10:35 PM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:

> Mary Pierce has a great body and okay face. She is a better example than Graf. Graf always had a pretty face.

I never found Pierce attractive because of her perpetually wounded, haunted expression. Probably the byproduct of getting smacked around by her psycho father.

Graf I would not call "pretty," but she's far from the unattractive equine Court 1 tries to cast her as. Large nose by current aesthetic standards, sure. Since she obviously could afford to get it "fixed," she must not be terribly concerned about how the likes of Donald Trump would rate her.

[Shakes]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 3:31:01 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:

>
> I never found Pierce attractive because of her perpetually wounded, haunted expression. Probably the byproduct of getting smacked around by her psycho father.
>
> Graf I would not call "pretty," but she's far from the unattractive equine Court 1 tries to cast her as. Large nose by current aesthetic standards, sure. Since she obviously could afford to get it "fixed," she must not be terribly concerned about how the likes of Donald Trump would rate her.

Agree about both Pierce and Graf. Graf wasn't that pretty per se, but she was definitely not as bad as some suggest, and I thought she was feminine. I actually found Graf more feminine than Sharapova. I know Court_1 might blast me for this. :))

[bob]

it's funny how many women you've called dogs and whores, but trump
makes a comment about someone's looks and you go ballistic. what a
hypocrite.

bob

[bob]

>****when you were in your mid-40 ...****

:-)

bob

[bob]

i have my "make america great again" bumper sticker and my "feel the
bern" T shirt right here - just not sure which one i'll be using come
november. my "indict hillary" ball cap is on it's way in the mail...

i can't believe how you flip flopped max, hating
obama/reid/pelosi/clinton for yrs now loving them. what happened,
menopause?

bob

[bob]

saw graf dressed up a couple times and out side of tennis, even after
her retirement, and she looked stunningly better than on the court. i
know, i know, i was surprised too.

bob

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
> <

> >On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 3:10:12 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:
> >
> >> We will let Court_1 comment on this. :))
> >
> >Ha ha. Maybe I would vote for him after all. ;)
> >
> >He's right about Graf. Fabulous body, shame about the face.
>
> it's funny how many women you've called dogs and whores, but trump
> makes a comment about someone's looks and you go ballistic. what a
> hypocrite.
>
> bob

The difference is I equally comment negatively about the looks of men. When does Trump comment negatively about how men look? His focus is all about demeaning intelligent women and putting them down and he has been doing it consistently for 30 years.

[bob]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:36:44 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
>> <
>> >On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 3:10:12 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:
>> >
>> >> We will let Court_1 comment on this. :))
>> >
>> >Ha ha. Maybe I would vote for him after all. ;)
>> >
>> >He's right about Graf. Fabulous body, shame about the face.
>>
>> it's funny how many women you've called dogs and whores, but trump
>> makes a comment about someone's looks and you go ballistic. what a
>> hypocrite.
>>
>> bob
>
>The difference is I equally comment negatively about the looks of men. When does Trump comment negatively about how men look?

i'd prefer he doesn't comment about either, but what right does he
have to give an opinion on the looks of men?

> His focus is all about demeaning intelligent women and putting them down and he has been doing it consistently for 30 years.

trump has a problem, i agree, cause he spouts out stupid things like,
"well that fat pig said...." and women go bonkers. fair enough, he's
very dumb to say things like that. however, more importantly, has
anyone ever claimed trump doesn't give women a fair shake in his
companies? are women prevented from promotions? is he RACIST or
MISOGYNISTIC or PREJUDICED against ANY groups that you know of at any
of his companies as a rule? has he ever been called racist before
running for office and talking about a mexican wall? in fact, along
with ben carson, most black people who know him seem to like him. same
for women.

i agree he has some personality flaw that he cannot control spouting
out about women's looks publicly. bad idea. of course the hot ones
don't mind.

bob

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:00:51 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:36:44 -0700 (PDT), Court_1

> >The difference is I equally comment negatively about the looks of men. When does Trump comment negatively about how men look?
>
> i'd prefer he doesn't comment about either, but what right does he
> have to give an opinion on the looks of men?

Pardon? What do you mean what right does he have to give an opinion on the looks of men? What right does he have to publicly give his opinion on the looks of women? What's the difference?

Apparently he does criticize the looks of men as well according to a woman who worked for Trump in an exec position.

> > His focus is all about demeaning intelligent women and putting them down and he has been doing it consistently for 30 years.
>
> trump has a problem, i agree, cause he spouts out stupid things like,
> "well that fat pig said...." and women go bonkers. fair enough, he's
> very dumb to say things like that. however, more importantly, has
> anyone ever claimed trump doesn't give women a fair shake in his
> companies? are women prevented from promotions? is he RACIST or
> MISOGYNISTIC or PREJUDICED against ANY groups that you know of at any
> of his companies as a rule? has he ever been called racist before
> running for office and talking about a mexican wall? in fact, along
> with ben carson, most black people who know him seem to like him. same
> for women.
>
> i agree he has some personality flaw that he cannot control spouting
> out about women's looks publicly. bad idea. of course the hot ones
> don't mind.

You really sound like a nutty Trump sycophant. Here is a woman who occupied a high executive position at one of Trump's companies and here is what she said about Trump:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/female-executive-recalls-18-year-career-working-for-trump/

It doesn't sound like a very favorable environment for women(or for anyone) to me.

In any case, I think you are wasting your time being a Trump sheep because I think Clinton will probably be the next president. She's got the old money tied up in her back pocket.

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:00:51 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> trump has a problem, i agree, cause he spouts out stupid things like,
> "well that fat pig said...." and women go bonkers. fair enough, he's
> very dumb to say things like that. however, more importantly, has
> anyone ever claimed trump doesn't give women a fair shake in his
> companies? are women prevented from promotions? is he RACIST or
> MISOGYNISTIC or PREJUDICED against ANY groups that you know of at any
> of his companies as a rule? has he ever been called racist before
> running for office and talking about a mexican wall? in fact, along
> with ben carson, most black people who know him seem to like him. same
> for women.

Read this article on how he treats women in his companies. All is ok as long as
long as the women don't question him and remain in their places.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/03/donald_trump_has_one_core_philosophy_misogyny.html

Apparently the female exec (Barbara Res) who worked for him for 18 years claimed that he resented his ex-wife Ivana because she became too powerful in her role in one of his companies:

Do you feel like he stopped taking her seriously at some point?

"It's not that he stopped taking her seriously so much as he, I think, resented her and decided that he was the boss and not her, and that he maybe gave her too much power."

Do you think that's what doomed their relationship?

[laughs]" Well, that and his fooling around."

Did you ever see him express sexism against Ivana?

"Well, I mean, I know he made a joke about how he paid her $1 plus all the dresses she could wear or buy. He said stuff like that and she just sort of laughed it off."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/ex-trump-employee-speaks-out-on-his-treatment-of-women-20160329?page=2

Yep, Trump is a real women's advocate. *rolls eyes*

I would never vote for this misogynist in a million years.

[PeteWasLucky]

Wow, people need to watch the video to learn more about the next US president.

[bob]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:53:48 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:00:51 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:36:44 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
>
>> >The difference is I equally comment negatively about the looks of men. When does Trump comment negatively about how men look?
>>
>> i'd prefer he doesn't comment about either, but what right does he
>> have to give an opinion on the looks of men?
>
>Pardon? What do you mean what right does he have to give an opinion on the looks of men? What right does he have to publicly give his opinion on the looks of women? What's the difference?

straight men don't usually care to comment on the attractiveness of
other men. i know i'm not interested in it. as for women, he can
comment, but saying derogatory things isn't a good idea.

do you have a problem if trump calls someone beautiful? cause he does
that a lot.

>Apparently he does criticize the looks of men as well according to a woman who worked for Trump in an exec position.
>
>
>> > His focus is all about demeaning intelligent women and putting them down and he has been doing it consistently for 30 years.
>>
>> trump has a problem, i agree, cause he spouts out stupid things like,
>> "well that fat pig said...." and women go bonkers. fair enough, he's
>> very dumb to say things like that. however, more importantly, has
>> anyone ever claimed trump doesn't give women a fair shake in his
>> companies? are women prevented from promotions? is he RACIST or
>> MISOGYNISTIC or PREJUDICED against ANY groups that you know of at any
>> of his companies as a rule? has he ever been called racist before
>> running for office and talking about a mexican wall? in fact, along
>> with ben carson, most black people who know him seem to like him. same
>> for women.
>>
>> i agree he has some personality flaw that he cannot control spouting
>> out about women's looks publicly. bad idea. of course the hot ones
>> don't mind.
>
>You really sound like a nutty Trump sycophant. Here is a woman who occupied a high executive position at one of Trump's companies and here is what she said about Trump:
>
> http://www.mediaite.com/online/female-executive-recalls-18-year-career-working-for-trump/
>It doesn't sound like a very favorable environment for women(or for anyone) to me.
>In any case, I think you are wasting your time being a Trump sheep because I think Clinton will probably be the next president. She's got the old money tied up in her back pocket.

her quote: Trump did not ever discriminate in his hiring, she noted,
but that did not stop him from making lewd comments about women’s
appearance.

sounds exactly like what i said.

yet hillary smeared and bribed women whom her husband sexually
assaulted and harassed - just to stay in power - and you're ok with
it? really?

bob

[bob]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:11:36 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:00:51 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>
>> trump has a problem, i agree, cause he spouts out stupid things like,
>> "well that fat pig said...." and women go bonkers. fair enough, he's
>> very dumb to say things like that. however, more importantly, has
>> anyone ever claimed trump doesn't give women a fair shake in his
>> companies? are women prevented from promotions? is he RACIST or
>> MISOGYNISTIC or PREJUDICED against ANY groups that you know of at any
>> of his companies as a rule? has he ever been called racist before
>> running for office and talking about a mexican wall? in fact, along
>> with ben carson, most black people who know him seem to like him. same
>> for women.
>
>Read this article on how he treats women in his companies. All is ok as long as
>long as the women don't question him and remain in their places.
>
>http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/03/donald_trump_has_one_core_philosophy_misogyny.html

i'm certain he does the same with men. he's a strong leader, probably
egotistical, full of himself, and won't listen. and women believe
that's "sexism."

>Apparently the female exec (Barbara Res) who worked for him for 18 years claimed that he resented his ex-wife Ivana because she became too powerful in her role in one of his companies:
>Do you feel like he stopped taking her seriously at some point?
>"It's not that he stopped taking her seriously so much as he, I think, resented her and decided that he was the boss and not her, and that he maybe gave her too much power."
>Do you think that's what doomed their relationship?
>[laughs]" Well, that and his fooling around."
>Did you ever see him express sexism against Ivana?
>"Well, I mean, I know he made a joke about how he paid her $1 plus all the dresses she could wear or buy. He said stuff like that and she just sort of laughed it off."
>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/ex-trump-employee-speaks-out-on-his-treatment-of-women-20160329?page=2

>Yep, Trump is a real women's advocate. *rolls eyes*
>I would never vote for this misogynist in a million years.

you found really very very little, and just a couple of likely
disgruntled people's opinions, and even so, very minor things.

i think he's as much a woman's advocate as the avg candidate, no more
no less. more than the clinton's.

bob

[jdeluise]

bob <b...@nospam.net> writes:

>
> straight men don't usually care to comment on the attractiveness of
> other men. i know i'm not interested in it.

Whisper will be very upset at this remark.

[bob]

surely you have to realize that of the thousands of men and women he's
hired over the years a few will hold a grudge for whatever reason.
rich famous powerful people who affect many people will have a few
negative responses. even the nicest will have a few.

but i've really never heard that trump has a problem in how he treats
women, or minorities, in the workplace. the main complaint comes that
he fancies himself a charmer and thinks all women find him attractive
and he can make snide comments of yesteryear and women will find it
"cute." he just had an interview the other day and called the
journalist "beautiful." and she got mad (well, officially.)

IMO, would you rather work for a boss that once in a while says, "hey
courty nice ass you been working out?" and gives you a fair shake in
every other sense of employment - or a boss who never comments like
that but behind the scenes really believes women are inferior, aren't
good enough for mgt/executive roles and keeps you down?

i don't like trump's temper, his pettyness, or some things he says.
but i think his record over 68.5yrs isn't one i find to be a problem.

what i do find offensive are washington insiders living off the dole
for generations thinking us working folks, no matter our salaries,
will keep funding their machine, power, lifestyles and "game." i'm
thinking this yr the gig is up and some people are really scared.

i'm not normally a fan of rush limbaugh but i've listened to him for a
few months in the car in spurts and he has this whole trump situation
nailed - one of the very few people who does.

bob

[bob]

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 18:19:41 -0800, jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

i doubt it. and i'd prefer you not flirt with me.

bob

[jdeluise]

bob <b...@nospam.net> writes:


>
> i doubt it. and i'd prefer you not flirt with me.
>

Of course he would, on a regular basis he sends photos of himself to a
newsgroup of seemingly mostly males, looking for compliments on
his hair?

Something's off about that.

[bob]

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 20:42:14 -0800, jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

i think i saw 2 photos of whisp in rst in my life. 1 about 10 yrs ago
when everyone sent 1, and last month. i don't recall him asking for
opinions.

i do remember ulysses sent multiple photos of herself fishing for
compliments, photos from the 1980s.

bob

[Whisper]

TV makes everyone look fatter. Anyone who looks pretty good on TV would
look amazing in real life.

[Whisper]

I've probably seen only 2 or 3 guys in my life who I would consider
attractive, & thousands of women. That sums it up I guess.

[Whisper]

By 'regular' you mean something like 0.0001% of my posts?

[soccerfan777]

Then you must surely be blind. There are many attractive men out there, probably more than the number of attractive women out there. And admitting that does not make you gay.

For a man to be attractive all he needs is a good face and a toned body (doesn't matter if he is muscular or not). For a woman, the requirement and the standard seem to be higher (at least among women like Court1 who would not consider someone like Mladenovic to be attractive).

You might be hanging out with beer drinking fat couch potatoes out there. I have friends who are either fitness freaks or play some kind of sports and many of them are attractive (although there are few ugly ones too).

These days with better eating habits even guys in the 40s don't look bad. And they don't even need any of the botox, plastic surgery crap many women seem to need.

The cosmetic and plastic surgery industry is heavily geared to the women for a reason. They need to be perfect with everything (at least they think they should) - face, no wrinkles, big boobs, curvy butt, flat abs etc. The demands for women being attractive are much higher.

> & thousands of women. That sums it up I guess.

That sums up that you are a homophobic moron.

[soccerfan777]

lol

[soccerfan777]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 3:10:35 PM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
>
> > Mary Pierce has a great body and okay face. She is a better example than Graf. Graf always had a pretty face.
>
> I never found Pierce attractive because of her perpetually wounded, haunted expression. Probably the byproduct of getting smacked around by her psycho father.

LOL that was funny. But I think you are not being serious. That was her natural face.

>
> Graf I would not call "pretty," but she's far from the unattractive equine Court 1 tries to cast her as.

Thanks. At least you are not calling her a horse face or a dog face like Court1.

I think she was pretty when she was young and somewhat chubbier face. Then she lost same face fat in the 90s and that made her nose stand out even more.

Check this pic from the 1988 French Open. She is standing next to Natasha Zvereva who was considered one of the good looking players back then in the 80s and early 90s. They practically look alike - like sisters.

http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/slideshow/Blowouts-on-the-big-stage-89287/photo-6569940.php

I don't know what is with Graf's face that someone would not consider pretty. She had milllions and millions of fans and thats not just because of her tennis. Otherwise Navratilova would have had as many fans as well. She didn't!

[The Iceberg]

if a man makes any joke whatsoever about a woman, do you reckon that sexist?
know you're a lawyer and so don't have any real morals, decency and are solely money oriented, but it interesting if that the case.

[The Iceberg]

On Thursday, 7 April 2016 00:32:21 UTC+1, bob wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:58:41 -0700 (PDT), calim...@gmx.de wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 9:37:11 PM UTC+2, bob wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:32:08 -0700 (PDT), calim...@gmx.de wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/donald-trump-women-comments-misogyny-jennifer-lopez
> >> >
> >> >... Moments later, he and Stern were discussing tennis pro Steffi Graf. Trump called her a "great girl," and Stern replied, "She's not hot." Trump responded, "She's got one of the greatest bodies ever." Stern shot back: "But what about the face?...[The] body's a 10. What's the face?" Trump had an answer: "Well, you never get to the face because the body's so good." ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Max
> >>
> >> did you buy your "make america great" shirt now?
> >>
> >> bob
> >
> >
> >"... again", you dummy.
> >
> >Which shows how dumb Trump and his minions are. America has never ceased to be great.
> >Obama, Trump, and bob notwithstanding.
>
> i have my "make america great again" bumper sticker and my "feel the
> bern" T shirt right here - just not sure which one i'll be using come
> november. my "indict hillary" ball cap is on it's way in the mail...

Coool! I gunna get a "Make America Great Again" t-shirt and hat to wear around London!

[The Iceberg]

On Wednesday, 6 April 2016 21:45:35 UTC+1, soccerfan777 wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:32:10 PM UTC-5, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
> > http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/donald-trump-women-comments-misogyny-jennifer-lopez
> >
> > ... Moments later, he and Stern were discussing tennis pro Steffi Graf. Trump called her a "great girl," and Stern replied, "She's not hot." Trump responded, "She's got one of the greatest bodies ever." Stern shot back: "But what about the face?...[The] body's a 10. What's the face?" Trump had an answer: "Well, you never get to the face because the body's so good." ...
> >
> >
> > Max
>

> I thinks he is insulting her by saying you never have to get to the face.
yes, but you're the kind of paranoid nutter that reckoned that Gap advert was racist.

[Whisper]

Not at all. I just don't find men attractive. If I did I'd freely
admit it no problems.

Yes I see a lot of guys in great shape at the gym etc, but for some
reason they just don't register as attractive to me. It wouldn't bother
me in the slightest if I were homo & a couple of my best friends are
homo - means nothing & I certainly don't feel any fear of homos.

Women don't have to look like models to me - I can find something
attractive about most of them.

[bob]

she certainly does.

>>know you're a lawyer and so don't have any real morals, decency and are solely money oriented, but it interesting if that the case.

she's not an attorney.

bob

[bob]

well damn icey i coulda picked you up a few bumper stickers and hats
at the trump rally last month!

i'm guessing in london you may be attacked?

bob

[bob]

they showed a gap ad last week with a taller white girl resting her
arm on a shorter black girl's head: racist.
they showed a gap ad from 2 yrs ago with a taller asian, exact same
pose, resting his arm on a white girl's head. nobody ever mentioned
it.

welcome to the USA!

bob

[soccerfan777]

Why would I watch a Gap advertisement? Gap has never made any clothe worth wearing.

[Gracchus]

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:46:09 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

> > Graf I would not call "pretty," but she's far from the unattractive equine Court 1 tries to cast her as.

> Thanks. At least you are not calling her a horse face or a dog face like Court1.

> I think she was pretty when she was young and somewhat chubbier face. Then she lost same face fat in the 90s and that made her nose stand out even more.

I'm not trying to slam her in saying that. I don't think she's unattractive--just wouldn't describe her looks as pretty compared with a player like Ivanovic or Hantuchova for example.

> Check this pic from the 1988 French Open. She is standing next to Natasha Zvereva who was considered one of the good looking players back then in the 80s and early 90s. They practically look alike - like sisters.

> http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/slideshow/Blowouts-on-the-big-stage-89287/photo-6569940.php

I don't think that pic is flattering to either one of them.

[jdeluise]

Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au> writes:

>
> By 'regular' you mean something like 0.0001% of my posts?

Probably put more effort into the photos than your typical tripe though,
eh?

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 10:07:20 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:11:36 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
> wrote:

> i'm certain he does the same with men. he's a strong leader, probably
> egotistical, full of himself, and won't listen. and women believe
> that's "sexism."

> you found really very very little, and just a couple of likely
> disgruntled people's opinions, and even so, very minor things.
>
> i think he's as much a woman's advocate as the avg candidate, no more
> no less. more than the clinton's.

Minor things?

Of course it's sexism. What do you mean women "believe" it's sexism? I give you evidence of some of Trump's behavior/attitudees towards women (and men) from a woman who worked as a high level executive in one of the Trump companies for over 18 years and I give you a site where every one of Trump's public sexist comments over his career is summarized and you dismiss those things as not evidence of sexism because it doesn't suit your pro Trump agenda? He's a dickhead and you trying to defend this jerk like he's your long lost uncle the way you defended Lance Armstrong against doping claims when most sane people knew he was a doper is more evidence of your unscrupulous character and lack of ability/intelligence to see an obvious fraud when he is right in front of you.

And what do you mean by he is no more or no less a women's advocate than the Clintons? Is Bill Clinton running for president again here? Last time I checked Hillary Clinton was the candidate and if you are trying to convince me that Hillary Clinton is less of a women's advocate than Trump given Hillary's career record of women's advocacy, you have really lost your marbles.

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 10:04:34 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> straight men don't usually care to comment on the attractiveness of
> other men. i know i'm not interested in it.

That's one of the weakest counter-arguments I've ever heard. How does that soften the blow that Trump has dealt to women by his demeaning public comments
over 30 years?

> do you have a problem if trump calls someone beautiful? cause he does
> that a lot.

Yes. A politician who is trying to become the president of the US of all things should probably not comment about such things just as Djokovic as a supposed ambassador of tennis (God help us) should probably remain mum about women's hormones publicly. It isn't rocket science.

[Court_1]

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:52:27 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> >if a man makes any joke whatsoever about a woman, do you reckon that sexist?
>
> she certainly does.

I most certainly do not but we aren't talking about that when we are talking about Trump are we? With Trump we are talking about a man who has made repeated public demeaning comments about women for over 30 years! That's a little different than one off-hand joke wouldn't you say?

> >>know you're a lawyer and so don't have any real morals, decency and are solely money oriented, but it interesting if that the case.
>
> she's not an attorney.

LOL. Yes, I've imagined my entire life/career just to amuse you. *rolls eyes*

What a louse you are.

[bob]

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 16:11:44 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 10:04:34 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>
>> straight men don't usually care to comment on the attractiveness of
>> other men. i know i'm not interested in it.
>
>That's one of the weakest counter-arguments I've ever heard. How does that soften the blow that Trump has dealt to women by his demeaning public comments
>over 30 years?

?why would a straight guy comment on the looks of men? i agree fully
his words toward some women he's argued with, and who have also
attacked him, are wrong and should be changed.

instead of "you fat pig" he should say "you overweight swine."

>> do you have a problem if trump calls someone beautiful? cause he does
>> that a lot.
>
>Yes. A politician who is trying to become the president of the US of all things should probably not comment about such things just as Djokovic as a supposed ambassador of tennis (God help us) should probably remain mum about women's hormones publicly. It isn't rocket science.

bob

[bob]

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 10:07:20 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:11:36 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
>> wrote:
>
>> i'm certain he does the same with men. he's a strong leader, probably
>> egotistical, full of himself, and won't listen. and women believe
>> that's "sexism."
>
>> you found really very very little, and just a couple of likely
>> disgruntled people's opinions, and even so, very minor things.
>>
>> i think he's as much a woman's advocate as the avg candidate, no more
>> no less. more than the clinton's.
>
>Minor things?
>
>Of course it's sexism. What do you mean women "believe" it's sexism? I give you evidence of some of Trump's behavior/attitudees towards women (and men) from a woman who worked as a high level executive in one of the Trump companies for over 18 years

"a woman who worked as a high level exec in one of trump's companies
for 18 yrs"...

yeah, that's evidence of "sexism" alright!

> and I give you a site where every one of Trump's public sexist comments over his career is summarized and you dismiss those things as not evidence of sexism because it doesn't suit your pro Trump agenda? He's a dickhead and you trying to defend this jerk like he's your long lost uncle the way you defended Lance Armstrong against doping claims when most sane people knew he was a doper is more evidence of your unscrupulous character and lack of ability/intelligence to see an obvious fraud when he is right in front of you.
>And what do you mean by he is no more or no less a women's advocate than the Clintons? Is Bill Clinton running for president again here? Last time I checked Hillary Clinton was the candidate and if you are trying to convince me that Hillary Clinton is less of a women's advocate than Trump given Hillary's career record of women's advocacy, you have really lost your marbles.

what do you think of a woman who smears, bribes and denigrates other
women whom her hsuband has either sexually abused, sexually harassed
or manipulated - and then says, "vote for me, i'm a woman!"

what bill did, and hillary covered for, was MORE than just "hey baby
nice ass." that's the difference between trump and clinton. and don't
keep making me defend trump, i don't care for his personality much.
though not being PC is refreshing.

bob

[bob]

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 16:18:43 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:52:27 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>
>> >if a man makes any joke whatsoever about a woman, do you reckon that sexist?
>>
>> she certainly does.
>
>I most certainly do not but we aren't talking about that when we are talking about Trump are we? With Trump we are talking about a man who has made repeated public demeaning comments about women for over 30 years! That's a little different than one off-hand joke wouldn't you say?

i'm saying there are words, and then there are actions. sure, bad
words are bad. bad actions are worse.

yes, trump acts like an ass and has an ego and thinks his old ass can
charm any young woman cause a few young gold diggers took him. bad
assumption for sure.

but have you ever heard that:
a. trump is unfair to women in the workplace as a rule? sure there
will be the disgruntled woman (and man) here and there but as a
policy? nada.
b. trump has raped anyone? nada
c. trump has sexually accosted anyone? nada
d. trump has covered up numerous cases of sexual harasment? nada

no. that's bill clinton's job, and hillary's to cover the dirt.

>> >>know you're a lawyer and so don't have any real morals, decency and are solely money oriented, but it interesting if that the case.
>>
>> she's not an attorney.
>
>LOL. Yes, I've imagined my entire life/career just to amuse you. *rolls eyes*
>
>What a louse you are.

you work in a flower shop. you said so 5 yrs ago.

bob

[bob]

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:47:28 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
<grac...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:46:09 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
>
>> > Graf I would not call "pretty," but she's far from the unattractive equine Court 1 tries to cast her as.
>
>> Thanks. At least you are not calling her a horse face or a dog face like Court1.
>
>> I think she was pretty when she was young and somewhat chubbier face. Then she lost same face fat in the 90s and that made her nose stand out even more.
>
>I'm not trying to slam her in saying that. I don't think she's unattractive--just wouldn't describe her looks as pretty compared with a player like Ivanovic or Hantuchova for example.

hantuchova is my alltime favorite in looks. 1 time followed her up a
flight of stairs at the USO, and her legs were mesmerizing and i like
her face as well. ivanovic is probably the all time prettiest face on
tour IMO.

>> Check this pic from the 1988 French Open. She is standing next to Natasha Zvereva who was considered one of the good looking players back then in the 80s and early 90s. They practically look alike - like sisters.
>
>> http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/slideshow/Blowouts-on-the-big-stage-89287/photo-6569940.php
>
>I don't think that pic is flattering to either one of them.

bob

[The Iceberg]

sorry, meant secretary in a law company!!

[soccerfan777]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 7:35:58 AM UTC-5, bob wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:47:28 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
> <grac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:46:09 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
> >
> >> > Graf I would not call "pretty," but she's far from the unattractive equine Court 1 tries to cast her as.
> >
> >> Thanks. At least you are not calling her a horse face or a dog face like Court1.
> >
> >> I think she was pretty when she was young and somewhat chubbier face. Then she lost same face fat in the 90s and that made her nose stand out even more.
> >
> >I'm not trying to slam her in saying that. I don't think she's unattractive--just wouldn't describe her looks as pretty compared with a player like Ivanovic or Hantuchova for example.
>
> hantuchova is my alltime favorite in looks. 1 time followed her up a
> flight of stairs at the USO, and her legs were mesmerizing and i like
> her face as well.

I like her legs but I like Sharapova's face better. Both have similar bodies. The face is different though.

> ivanovic is probably the all time prettiest face on
> tour IMO.

I find her somewhat overrated by people here. May be into blondes. I don't know I have seen many Indian girls look much better than her. She is no Aishwarya Rai for sure.

[Gracchus]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:06:18 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 7:35:58 AM UTC-5, bob wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:47:28 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus

> > >I'm not trying to slam her in saying that. I don't think she's unattractive--just wouldn't describe her looks as pretty compared with a player like Ivanovic or Hantuchova for example.

> > hantuchova is my alltime favorite in looks. 1 time followed her up a
> > flight of stairs at the USO, and her legs were mesmerizing and i like
> > her face as well.

> I like her legs but I like Sharapova's face better. Both have similar bodies. The face is different though.

Sharapova's cold, hard eyes convey her mercenary android nature and knock her attractiveness down a a couple of notches. Remember her perpetual scowl as she strode through the "I Feel Pretty" commercial? Well that's what keeps her from really being pretty because it stays in her eyes even when she flashes a fake smile at staged events. The other players in our conversations are actually human.

(And no, Court 1. Graf is not just as cold as Sharapova. She's an entirely different character)

[soccerfan777]

So going into intangibles then. If you had no idea of their personalities how would you rate them? I would say Sharapova is more attractive than Hantuchova and Ivanovic purely in terms of looks. My preference is Sharapova > Hantuchova > Ivanovic.

>
> (And no, Court 1. Graf is not just as cold as Sharapova. She's an entirely different character)

Yeah I agree. Sharapova is an extrovert and Graf is an introvert. So it makes a lot of difference in their approach to others. Sharapova should technically be friends with everyone with her outgoing nature, but she isn't because she is most likely choosy in selecting her friends (or might have distrust towards her peers).

[soccerfan777]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:06:18 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
> > On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 7:35:58 AM UTC-5, bob wrote:
> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:47:28 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
>
> > > >I'm not trying to slam her in saying that. I don't think she's unattractive--just wouldn't describe her looks as pretty compared with a player like Ivanovic or Hantuchova for example.
>
> > > hantuchova is my alltime favorite in looks. 1 time followed her up a
> > > flight of stairs at the USO, and her legs were mesmerizing and i like
> > > her face as well.
>
> > I like her legs but I like Sharapova's face better. Both have similar bodies. The face is different though.
>
> Sharapova's cold, hard eyes convey her mercenary android nature and knock her attractiveness down a a couple of notches. Remember her perpetual scowl as she strode through the "I Feel Pretty" commercial?

She smiles a lot when the situation is called for and is quite childish at times. I don't considered her as cold. She does not have many friends on the WTA but that could be because of a variety of factors.

[bob]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:29:53 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777
<zepf...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
>> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:06:18 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
>> > On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 7:35:58 AM UTC-5, bob wrote:
>> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:47:28 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
>>
>> > > >I'm not trying to slam her in saying that. I don't think she's unattractive--just wouldn't describe her looks as pretty compared with a player like Ivanovic or Hantuchova for example.
>>
>> > > hantuchova is my alltime favorite in looks. 1 time followed her up a
>> > > flight of stairs at the USO, and her legs were mesmerizing and i like
>> > > her face as well.
>>
>> > I like her legs but I like Sharapova's face better. Both have similar bodies. The face is different though.
>>
>> Sharapova's cold, hard eyes convey her mercenary android nature and knock her attractiveness down a a couple of notches. Remember her perpetual scowl as she strode through the "I Feel Pretty" commercial? Well that's what keeps her from really being pretty because it stays in her eyes even when she flashes a fake smile at staged events. The other players in our conversations are actually human.
>
>So going into intangibles then. If you had no idea of their personalities how would you rate them? I would say Sharapova is more attractive than Hantuchova and Ivanovic purely in terms of looks. My preference is Sharapova > Hantuchova > Ivanovic.
>
>>
>> (And no, Court 1. Graf is not just as cold as Sharapova. She's an entirely different character)
>
>Yeah I agree. Sharapova is an extrovert and Graf is an introvert.

none of the other girls on tour say sharap is an extrovert, they all
say she's a cold calculating b!tch.

i don't doubt there are indian girls prettier than some tennis
players, but we're talking athletes here. ivanovic is very pretty
athlete or not.
bob

[soccerfan777]

What I am trying to saying is grass is greener. I have been used to seeing very beautiful brunettes my whole life. So my standards for brunettes might be higher than those for blondes.

And I think the reverse is true as well. Gabriela Sabatini was considered beautiful by white people... lol... really?

[Gracchus]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:57:32 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:

> What I am trying to saying is grass is greener. I have been used to seeing very beautiful brunettes my whole life. So my standards for brunettes might be higher than those for blondes.

> And I think the reverse is true as well. Gabriela Sabatini was considered beautiful by white people... lol... really?

I never understood it myself when people called Sabatini gorgeous back then. She had a nice smile but other than that....???

[Court_1]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> ?why would a straight guy comment on the looks of men? i agree fully
> his words toward some women he's argued with, and who have also
> attacked him, are wrong and should be changed.

He shouldn't be commenting on the looks of ANYBODY publicly. He's trying to be the president of the US ffs, not making harmless comments on RST which 6 people read.

[Court_1]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 8:25:47 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> "a woman who worked as a high level exec in one of trump's companies
> for 18 yrs"...
>
> yeah, that's evidence of "sexism" alright!

Of course it is! She didn't hold some low tier position in his company. She held a high level position for almost 20 years and she was trying to be as diplomatic as possible.

If you don't want to take her word for it (and of course you don't as it doesn't line up with your pro-Trump agenda) then what about his comments to and about women for the past 30 years? That isn't evidence of Trump sexism to you? You really are thick aren't you?

> what do you think of a woman who smears, bribes and denigrates other
> women whom her hsuband has either sexually abused, sexually harassed
> or manipulated - and then says, "vote for me, i'm a woman!"

Small potatoes compared to Trump.

> i don't care for his personality much.

Sure you don't. You have done nothing but show the opposite by your posts.

[Court_1]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 8:33:59 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:


> but have you ever heard that:
> a. trump is unfair to women in the workplace as a rule? sure there
> will be the disgruntled woman (and man) here and there but as a
> policy? nada.
> b. trump has raped anyone? nada
> c. trump has sexually accosted anyone? nada
> d. trump has covered up numerous cases of sexual harasment? nada

Is Hillary the current candidate or is Bill? All of these male politicians have skeletons in their closets. Bill was a horn dog and Hillary had to deal with his mess. What about Trumps whole affair with Marla Maples when he was married to Ivana?

Yes, I have heard Trump is unfair and disgusting to women and have provided you with overwhelming evidence(it's out there for all to see) but you choose to ignore it.

> you work in a flower shop. you said so 5 yrs ago.

What? Where did you pull that one out of? A flower shop? Good one. I have never worked in a flower shop and never said I worked in a flower shop. What are you playing at?

[soccerfan777]

And not to mention that she always walked like a man and had manly mannerisms.

Does Sabatini compare to Aishwarya Rai in anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOWBK9DyNQU

Sorry for making you watch Oprah... but she looks gorgeous in this clip. And she isn't even wearing anything special. This is from 2005 I think, she was already 33 then.

[Shakes]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 12:04:10 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

> Of course it is! She didn't hold some low tier position in his company. She held a high level position for almost 20 years and she was trying to be as diplomatic as possible.
>

I guess the question can be asked that if he was really that sexist and discriminating, how come she worked under him for 18 yrs ? And, from what I read in the article that you posted earlier, she didn't say he sexually molested her or anything.

> > what do you think of a woman who smears, bribes and denigrates other
> > women whom her hsuband has either sexually abused, sexually harassed
> > or manipulated - and then says, "vote for me, i'm a woman!"
>
> Small potatoes compared to Trump.
>

You have your back covered because it's not Bill Clinton who is running for President. :))

[Gracchus]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

> Is Hillary the current candidate or is Bill?

Both. Hillary may be the one on the ballot, but if she wins it will be a joint presidency.

[Shakes]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 11:50:20 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:

> I never understood it myself when people called Sabatini gorgeous back then. She had a nice smile but other than that....???

Agree with you about both Sharapova and Sabatini. Sometimes it's not just about the looks, but also the vibe that they exude. Graf was never "really pretty", IMO, but she definitely was not bad looking when she was young, and had a femininity that kind of added to her overall personality.

[Court_1]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 3:19:30 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:


> I guess the question can be asked that if he was really that sexist and discriminating, how come she worked under him for 18 yrs ?

You aren't seriously asking that question are you? She made a good living. Why do most people work for as long as they do under less than perfect conditions? Do you think most people love their jobs? $$$$$

> And, from what I read in the article that you posted earlier, she didn't say he sexually molested her or anything.

So? Did he have to sexually molest her for her to state how he treated women and how he treated his employees in general which was like crap.

[Court_1]

No it isn't. She put up with him for 25 years being second fiddle to him and now he is paying back the favor. They have a deal. Read this:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-bill-hillary-clinton-marriage-52-years-20140718-story.html

[Shakes]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 12:40:40 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 3:19:30 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:
>
>
> > I guess the question can be asked that if he was really that sexist and discriminating, how come she worked under him for 18 yrs ?
>
> You aren't seriously asking that question are you? She made a good living. Why do most people work for as long as they do under less than perfect conditions? Do you think most people love their jobs? $$$$$
>

Well, given that there are so many companies to work for, if working under Trump was that bad, I believe she could've/would've walked away.

Most people might not love their jobs for various reasons. But that's different from facing discrimination. If I felt I was being "openly" discriminated against in any way in a given company, I would walk away. I wouldn't care for money. It's not like the pay difference between companies is THAT huge.

> > And, from what I read in the article that you posted earlier, she didn't say he sexually molested her or anything.
>
> So? Did he have to sexually molest her for her to state how he treated women and how he treated his employees in general which was like crap.

No, just was comparing him to Bill Clinton types. Their actions are worse than their words.

[The Iceberg]

On Friday, 8 April 2016 20:16:06 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 8:33:59 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>
>
> > but have you ever heard that:
> > a. trump is unfair to women in the workplace as a rule? sure there
> > will be the disgruntled woman (and man) here and there but as a
> > policy? nada.
> > b. trump has raped anyone? nada
> > c. trump has sexually accosted anyone? nada
> > d. trump has covered up numerous cases of sexual harasment? nada
>
> Is Hillary the current candidate or is Bill? All of these male politicians have skeletons in their closets. Bill was a horn dog and Hillary had to deal with his mess. What about Trumps whole affair with Marla Maples when he was married to Ivana?
>
> Yes, I have heard Trump is unfair and disgusting to women and have provided you with overwhelming evidence(it's out there for all to see) but you choose to ignore it.

can you give us an example? these guys really know how to charm though perhaps you don't get that, seen several women over the years that always hollered the same stuff about Bill Clinton, then they meet him and afterwards tell how they'd happily go home with him.

> > you work in a flower shop. you said so 5 yrs ago.
>
> What? Where did you pull that one out of? A flower shop? Good one. I have never worked in a flower shop and never said I worked in a flower shop. What are you playing at?

it would be nice work in a flower shop, smell would be most nice! maybe could do that after have reached pinnacle of the burger career!

[Gracchus]

I'm not trying to say that he'd be the *real* president with her a figurehead. But it is not unusual for presidents to confer with former presidents (publicly or otherwise) when considering big decisions. Is Hillary more likely to confer with Jimmy Carter or the former president sharing the White House with her? He'd probably have more influence than the vice-president. Plus, Bill is a control-freak by nature and I doubt very much if he'd be content sitting by and keeping his mouth shut while Hillary runs the country. Maybe she'll need to hire an intern or two with "specialized duties" to keep him otherwise occupied.

[Whisper]

Not by me.

[bob]

and bill clinton shouldn't be commenting on, F*ing, forcing himself
on, smearing and grabbing women in public either. yet everybody, incl
you, loves him.

i laugh that you somehow think i believe trump is some sort of angel.

bob

[bob]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:


>> what do you think of a woman who smears, bribes and denigrates other
>> women whom her hsuband has either sexually abused, sexually harassed
>> or manipulated - and then says, "vote for me, i'm a woman!"
>
>Small potatoes compared to Trump.

i'm sorry, there's something wrong with you.

bob

[bob]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 12:04:10 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
>
>> Of course it is! She didn't hold some low tier position in his company. She held a high level position for almost 20 years and she was trying to be as diplomatic as possible.
>>
>
>I guess the question can be asked that if he was really that sexist and discriminating, how come she worked under him for 18 yrs ?

that's what i asked and she conveniently ignored.

> And, from what I read in the article that you posted earlier, she didn't say he sexually molested her or anything.

that's correct, but courty doesn't comprehend things well.

>> > what do you think of a woman who smears, bribes and denigrates other
>> > women whom her hsuband has either sexually abused, sexually harassed
>> > or manipulated - and then says, "vote for me, i'm a woman!"
>>
>> Small potatoes compared to Trump.
>
>You have your back covered because it's not Bill Clinton who is running for President. :))

true, it's his wife who supported it. in fact she was basically a
go-between and henchman to cover for it. herambition has no bounds.

bob

[bob]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 3:19:30 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:
>
>
>> I guess the question can be asked that if he was really that sexist and discriminating, how come she worked under him for 18 yrs ?
>
>You aren't seriously asking that question are you? She made a good living. Why do most people work for as long as they do under less than perfect conditions? Do you think most people love their jobs? $$$$$

um, she didn't have to work for a "sexist" who was "keepig her down!"

>> And, from what I read in the article that you posted earlier, she didn't say he sexually molested her or anything.
>
>So? Did he have to sexually molest her for her to state how he treated women and how he treated his employees in general which was like crap.

nah, he just made her a high paid VP. guess she thought she deserved
trump's job. :-)

bob

[bob]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:22:37 -0700 (PDT), Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com>

courty thinks raping a woman isn't as bad as saying "hey beautiful."
sigh.

bob

[bob]

absolutely. and you can't believe how many people have told me they
are voting for hillary because "you get both."

have you read any about the podesta's? lol. same ole clintons. crooks
to the bone.

bob

[bob]

their whole marriage is fraud and a lie to the public. par for the
clintons. if they just came out and said, "we're business partners, i
like to sleep with young sluts and she's fine with it as long as she
gets to be pres 1 day" she'd never get a vote. nor him. so they
"pretend."

bob

[bob]

lol.

bob

[bob]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:57:30 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777

hair color doesn't matter to me. there are many beautiful indian gals,
no doubt. but youre comparing actresses to tennis players.

>And I think the reverse is true as well. Gabriela Sabatini was considered beautiful by white people... lol... really?

not by me. she was "boyish."

bob

[Court_1]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:


> Well, given that there are so many companies to work for, if working under Trump was that bad, I believe she could've/would've walked away.
>
> Most people might not love their jobs for various reasons. But that's different from facing discrimination. If I felt I was being "openly" discriminated against in any way in a given company, I would walk away. I wouldn't care for money. It's not like the pay difference between companies is THAT huge.

I don't think he openly discriminated against HER. Her comments were more about how he made demeaning remarks about the appearance of other women and how she doesn't feel he would be an ideal president for women because of his repeated public denigration of women and association with beauty pageants, etc.

She also said he was nasty to many people who worked for him and most hated him. So why did so many people continue to work for him if most hated him? $$$$ That's the only explanation.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/female-executive-recalls-18-year-career-working-for-trump/

> > > And, from what I read in the article that you posted earlier, she didn't say he sexually molested her or anything.
> >
> > So? Did he have to sexually molest her for her to state how he treated women and how he treated his employees in general which was like crap.
>
> No, just was comparing him to Bill Clinton types. Their actions are worse than their words.

Bill Clinton is no angel either and he has his own set of issues. But right now we are talking about Trump since he is currently going after the Republican nomination and both Trump's words and actions are reprehensible. All of the denigrating remarks he has made about and to women over 30 years and his behavior towards his ex-wife Ivana and his public humiliation of her with the Marla Maples scandal as just one example.

[Court_1]

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 4:44:01 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

> I'm not trying to say that he'd be the *real* president with her a figurehead. But it is not unusual for presidents to confer with former presidents (publicly or otherwise) when considering big decisions. Is Hillary more likely to confer with Jimmy Carter or the former president sharing the White House with her? He'd probably have more influence than the vice-president.

So?

> Plus, Bill is a control-freak by nature and I doubt very much if he'd be content sitting by and keeping his mouth shut while Hillary runs the country.

She's a control freak too. Plus Bill is getting older. He's not as robust as he used to be.

> Maybe she'll need to hire an intern or two with "specialized duties" to keep him otherwise occupied.

I'm sure he does fine on his own.

[Court_1]

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:23:00 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> and bill clinton shouldn't be commenting on, F*ing, forcing himself
> on, smearing and grabbing women in public either. yet everybody, incl
> you, loves him.

He's not the one currently running for president. Hillary is. Bill was a scoundrel in many ways as well when he was president. I never said he wasn't.
But now we are talking about Trump and he's despicable in so many ways IMO.

[Court_1]

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:29:52 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> um, she didn't have to work for a "sexist" who was "keepig her down!"

She didn't say he was keeping her down. Her comments were about how he denigrated other women in her presence and how most of his employees disliked him. She also talked about how she doesn't think he would be the ideal president for women. Can't argue with her there.

[Court_1]

I never said that. But right now we are talking about Trump and his words and actions are both disgusting.

[Court_1]

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:38:24 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> their whole marriage is fraud and a lie to the public. par for the
> clintons. if they just came out and said, "we're business partners, i
> like to sleep with young sluts and she's fine with it as long as she
> gets to be pres 1 day" she'd never get a vote. nor him. so they
> "pretend."

But so what? Who cares if they are pretending to be married for reasons of ambition? That's common in public spheres. There is nothing wrong with it. It's nobody's business what they do behind closed doors or what their personal agreement is.

[Gracchus]

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 6:15:23 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 4:44:01 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

> > I'm not trying to say that he'd be the *real* president with her a figurehead. But it is not unusual for presidents to confer with former presidents (publicly or otherwise) when considering big decisions. Is Hillary more likely to confer with Jimmy Carter or the former president sharing the White House with her? He'd probably have more influence than the vice-president.

>> So?

So that's why voting for Hillary is voting for a joint-Clinton presidency. They are two heads on the same snake. I don't see any reason to believe that electing her would result in any great variation from Bill Clinton's administration, in which she also played a part. Of course, there are those who want just that, and if so, by all means they should go ahead and vote Clinton-Clinton. I just think it's naive to expect anything different.

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I prefer Bushie, Cheney!!!!

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Jelena you dimwitt.
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[bob]

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 06:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:23:00 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>
>> and bill clinton shouldn't be commenting on, F*ing, forcing himself
>> on, smearing and grabbing women in public either. yet everybody, incl
>> you, loves him.
>
>He's not the one currently running for president. Hillary is.

and hillary's thirst for power allowed her to smear and bribe the
victims. some "woman's rights" candidate. btw, that's why many young
women in this country can't stand her.

bob

[bob]

you said it 3 paragraphs ago FFS.

> But right now we are talking about Trump and his words and actions are both disgusting.

trump is irritating, abrasive, etc. he says things that may be ok in
the 70s like "hey beautiful" and he doesn't get it that women today
may find it insulting. though i think many pretend it's insulting.

bill clinton OTOH literally sexually assaulted at least 2 women that
we know of, used his power to coerce many others, and took advantage
of a dumbass 21 yo intern. and hillary did her best to cover it
because of her THIRST FOR POWER.

i never heard in my life of trump being accused of doing anything more
than a smartass out of date comment. if you think that's worse than
rape, good for you.

bob

[bob]

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 06:11:55 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:
>
>
>> Well, given that there are so many companies to work for, if working under Trump was that bad, I believe she could've/would've walked away.
>>
>> Most people might not love their jobs for various reasons. But that's different from facing discrimination. If I felt I was being "openly" discriminated against in any way in a given company, I would walk away. I wouldn't care for money. It's not like the pay difference between companies is THAT huge.
>
>I don't think he openly discriminated against HER. Her comments were more about how he made demeaning remarks about the appearance of other women and how she doesn't feel he would be an ideal president for women because of his repeated public denigration of women and association with beauty pageants, etc.
>
>She also said he was nasty to many people who worked for him and most hated him.

seh can say what she wants, polls show that trump was a really popular
boss.

>Bill Clinton is no angel either

if bill ran today he'd be lambasted. but it was a different day.

bob

[bob]

i have no doubt that bill can perform those "interviews." after all,
he's for women's rights to "work."

bob

[bob]

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 06:29:03 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:38:24 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>
>> their whole marriage is fraud and a lie to the public. par for the
>> clintons. if they just came out and said, "we're business partners, i
>> like to sleep with young sluts and she's fine with it as long as she
>> gets to be pres 1 day" she'd never get a vote. nor him. so they
>> "pretend."
>
>But so what? Who cares if they are pretending to be married for reasons of ambition?

because you can do a lot of shit in normal life and nobody cares, just
don't expect that will fly as president.

> That's common in public spheres. There is nothing wrong with it. It's nobody's business what they do behind closed doors or what their personal agreement is.

i agree. just as long as they don't lie and pretend to be something
they're not just to be president. running for public office means
you're on a different standard than normal private citizens who don't
want to be bothered. why else would bill say "I did NOT have sex with
that women!" right after her sucking him off? why lie to us if it's
ok? cause it is NOT ok to do that shit as president, at least anymore.

bob

[bob]

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 01:46:27 +0200 (CEST), *skriptis
<skri...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:

>soccerfan777 <zepf...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>> Helena jankovic qualifies for great body average face. Not Steffi.
>>
>
>
>Jelena you dimwitt.

yes, and her face isn't average IMO.

bob

[soccerfan777]

So below average?

[soccerfan777]

That was a typo, you ASSHOLE