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Re: "Fast Larry" Guninger teaches pool on RSB 12-10-06
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> I have tried to do this several times in the past and this effort has
> met with disaster. The two Chinese internet terrorists Eric T Hu of
> Edison, New Jersey and Debra Li Sapolis of Plano, Texas came on with
> non stop attacks, slanders and libels. I just gave up and stopped when
> They trashed the entire thread with their lies.
>
> RSB has ceased to exist as a forum where one can learn or even any more
> discuss pool. There is nothing going on here now and nobody teaching
> or talking about pool hardly at all. It is one big waste land over ran
> by trolls, fruits and nuts. All you see here are the two crazy Chinese
> Li and Hu trashing RSB daily. I shall try to reverse this by actually
> teaching pool here again. I will post teaching articles and answer any
> questions posted to this thread.
>
> I will answer no attacks, respond to no lies, slanders or libels and
> ignore any posts from LI & Hu and their dozens of made up false names
> they will try to slander me with here. They do not want RSB to
> succeed, so just ignore their efforts to bust up this positive effort
> to help people find a better game. I will show and prove to all that I
> am making a guanine effort to bring RSB back to be a place of learning
> and information.
>
> Understand there is a small group here who will stop at nothing to
> prevent me from doing this. This is not going to be pretty.
>
> I am a master level instructor in the Power Source Pool School, a
> recognized billiards expert, former world artistic champion and current
> UPA pro 9 ball tour player, ranked 35th in the world as of June 2006.
> I travel the world conducting trick shot shows and teaching clinics. I
> am qualified to teach pool here. I hope others come back and teach
> along side me.
>
> You may read my credentials on my web site at www.fastlarrypool.com
> You can see me play in the trick shot section, top left.
> You can read over 170 teaching articles in the encyclopedia, enough to
> fill 4 full pool books and every question you could have is answered
> there.
> There is a Billiards store where pool tables, cues and accessories are
> sold at low prices.
>
> My chat site is at www.poolchat.net I welcome you to register and be
> a member of this upscale group of nice people.
>
> My email is fastlarry@ gmail.com run that together.
>
> Come to me with curtsey and respect, be polite and I shall respond back
> to you the same way.
> Attack me and I shall simply ignore you no matter what you say or do
> here.
>
> I will teach and there is nothing you can do to stop that. Absolutely
> nothing.
>
> "Fast Larry" Guninger Atlanta, Ga. USA.

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Dec 10, 2006, 1:41:07 PM12/10/06
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FOUR P's to championship play. Practice, Pressure, Persistence and
Preparation.
10-1-04 by Fast Larry Guninger cr, all rights reserved. Five pages.
Bpn, czm, upp, rsb, btt, ptt.

PRACTICE

It does not matter what the sport is, Golf, Tennis, pool, you get good
by investing years of practice. Thousands of repetitions of the same
shot or swing, over and over. Just putting in time will not get you
there. It's the quality of that time and how good your practice is
that gets you there.
In the Power Source Pool School we teach you how to practice perfect.
Just banging balls around is not practicing, that is what we call
wasting time and money.

Ask any NYC bellhop to call you a cab and he will say, OK, you're a
cab. Ask any NYC taxi driver how you get to Carneigh Hall and he will
tell you practice, practice, practice. It takes years of study and a
million balls must be made. It takes most 10 to 14 years to make a
million balls so there are no shortcuts here. You can't take a
single $50 lesson from any one and become a player. They must be
prepared to become a student of the game and to graduate to pool
greatness. They must invest a substantial amount of money and time to
accomplish this.

They must dedicate several years of their life in practice and study.
They must be special driven elite people. When I find one I give it
all to him. No top athlete in any sport attempts to do it alone, they
all have their coaches and gurus. Only in pool do they try and do it
alone. Sang Lee one of the greatest billiard players of his time was
asked by a fan looking for nuggets, "do you give lessons? Sure I do
Lee said, $100 an hour, minimum 30 hours. Steve Davis the greatest
English Snooker player of his time as asked by a fan how he made the
tough winning pot off of the rail. Did he use running side, reverse
check or just hit the ball and the rail at the same time? Steve
replied go out and shoot that shot 500 times and then you will know.
That is how I learned how to shoot it.

You have to do the time and pay the man. You must pay your dues and
pay the price. If you want to achieve pool greatness then enroll in
the Power Source Pool School in Atlanta and be prepared to put in 60
hours at $50 an hour. You will invest $3000 and that will get you
there. That is the minimum. Be prepared to take a lesson every week
for 5 full years, and then you will know. That would be $13,000. For
such a commitment we could cut that rate in half to $25 an hour. $3.33
a day to become a pool God that is the price we charge. The price of a
Starbucks cup of coffee, less than the price of a beer. You will spend
the same amount of money to earn a black belt in Karate, to golf in the
low 80's or play a good B game of Tennis.
People who are serious about getting really good are then taking weekly
lessons. You all know you have to in order to advance so what are you
waiting for, get off your duffs and plan them now. Do not put this off
until tomorrow, if you do, then for you, tomorrow never comes. Quote
"FL"


PRESSURE
You do not advance far in pool until you learn how to control pressure.
It is a part of the game. You must learn how to control it so it does
not control you. Never put pressure on your own self to win, just go
out and have fun and free wheel on the guy. Feel pressure and you
begin to shoot your self in your own foot. If you get behind and are
not doing well remember Yogi Berra who said, it ain't over till
it's over.
That means you are never out of it until the Fat Lady sings. I have
been down 0-4 in a race to 5 many times when I was in the leagues and
was playing as a 6 and came back to win 5 in a row and pull it out.
Why? I never gave up or lost hope. I knew I had pulled these out
before so I knew I could do it again. I knew how to attack and scare
the hell out of the opponent in order to choke him up. It ain't
never over dude, till it's over, Yogi is right.
My old teacher Minnesota Fats taught me a half century ago, only a
sucker puts heat on himself. Why would any body do that, grab your own
neck and begin to choke so you cannot win. Only you can put pressure
on you and only you can recognize that is happening and only you can
stop it and remove it.
Take some deep breaths, relax, wiggle your hands and say I love
pressure. It pumps me up. I play my best under pressure. Let's
rumble.

Realize pressure is not put on by your opponent, it is self induced.
Another word for pressure is fear. Fear of losing, fear of the other
guy because he is so damn good. So you learn the signs when the
pressure begins to hit and you stop it in its tracks. You then say no
fear, over and over. You play fast and loose, with no fear. Why not,
as old fatty said, only a sucker, puts heat on him self and you are not
a sucker, you are now a winner.

PERSISTENCE
The dictionary says this is steady perseverance, tenacity unyielding,
holding on in a following course of action in spite of difficulties, a
long continuing application which requires endurance.

In other words you are a pit bull, a snapping turtle, when you bite and
get a hold on the opponent's leg, you don't turn loose. You know
you are going to win and you will never give up until the fat lady
really sings on your butt. Even when you hear her beginning to warm up
and warble in the back room, you really put it in high gear then and
hit your second wind. You jack up your game to a new level and go all
out to win.

PREPARATION

If the match is important and you want to win you prepare properly.
You get a full 8 hrs sleep and rest your eyes the day before, no cpu,
no TV, no newspapers, cut your self off from the world and allow your
mind to go calm.
Meditate and just day dream of you playing perfect and running out
never missing. Take a nap before your evening match.

Trevino says a hungry dog hunts best. Eat very light and very healthy
before your match. No junk food, no booze, no caffeine. Play hungry,
not starved, but not pigged out on the buffet either. You can't play
your best when you are digesting heavy food. Get to your match very
early and allow your self ample time to warm up and practice then get
off alone and close your eyes and meditate. See you're self winning
and holding up the tin cup over your head. You need to be giving your
self a pep talk and inspiring in your own self confidence you are the
man, you will win, nothing can stop you now. Tell your self now:
*********************************************************************

To become great, you must learn to reach deep down inside to pull out
that extra edge it will take you to win. There is a hero inside you
just waiting for your call to come alive and be set free. He will rise
to the occasion and play at a level you have never seen or dreamed
possible. You must summon him when the time comes. You must then
command him to rise up and to go on to win. A true champion digs down
inside and pulls up and out, the greater you hidden inside.

Crunch time is that point where the winner steps up to the plate, takes
charge and vanquishes the loser he is playing. You could now be dead
even and one must make his move. You could be far behind and playing
well under your game. If you're going down by the bow you say, I
don't hear no fat lady singin yet and it ain't over till it's
over, so why not attack and just freewheel and run all over this guy I
am playing. You must turn that champion loose. Let him see the
finish line, smell blood, smell the victory, grab the bit in his mouth
and run for the roses. Let that big dawg hunt, just get out of his way
and follow him home. "FL"

If you can dream it, see it, believe it, you can do it and you can be
it. You can perform totally out of the box. Then you are a person
with no limits who can achieve anything he can imagine that a human
body is capable of producing. "FL"

Go tattoo this one under your eyelids:
Winning is everything. Winning is the only thing. Winning is
something you have to do because you worked hard for the win and you
deserve it. You win because you put your self in a position to win.
When you get there and you know you should win and are capable of
winning so you do. You put it away and don't let them slip away.
You are a closer. You expect to win, you have been there many times
before, you know how to and you want to. You can see no reason why it
won't happen again right now.
Show me a guy who does not mind losing and I will show you a sausage.
Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser. "FL" "Nice
guys finish last" quote from Lou Durocher, hall of fame player and
manager of the baseball Brooklyn Dodgers. They were called bums until
they defeated the UN beatable Yankees which all felt they had no chance
to do. His aggressive teaching turned losers into winners and world
champions

"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'." - Yoda

It is all about visualization, focus, concentration and playing in the
zone. You just see it, feel it, do it: It does not get any deeper
than this? Play pool with an empty mind. "FL"

"Flow with what ever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay
centered by accepting what ever you are doing and what ever comes your
way."
Chuang-Tzu.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu

Fortune favors the brave. Virgil, Aeneid Roman epic poet (70 BC - 19
BC)

Conquer your fear and you conquer the game, the battle, your life and
your fear of death. There is nothing impossible to him who will try.
Alexander The Great 320 BC.

For a man thinks within himself, so he is." Proverbs 23:7 "I can
do all things through Christ who gives me strength." Philippians
4:13

In order to master pool you must first learn how to master yourself and
your emotions. "For to conquer in battle a thousand men a thousand
times, means you have now conquered yourself and you are now the
greatest of warriors" Dharmapada.

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the
door will be opened to you.

After you have won and are alone, pull this from your billfold and now
read it to your self:
For over a thousand years, Roman conquerors returning from the wars
enjoyed the honor of a triumph. A tumultuous parade. In the
procession came trumpeters and musicians and strange animals from the
conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and
captured armaments. The conqueror rode in a triumphal chariot, the
dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children
robed in white, stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses.
A slave stood behind the conqueror, holding a golden crown, and
whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting.


THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL WWW.FASTLARRYPOOL.COM
POOL LESSONS FROM A MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR AND WORLD CHAMPION.
770-381-6609
POOL QUESTIONS AND FREE INSTRUCTION IS ON
WWW.BILLIARDS-POOL.NET in the ask the pros forum.
"Fast Larry" Guninger and Wonder Dog, trick shot shows and
entertainment.
WWW.FA...@BELLSOUTH.NET www dot fastlarry at bellsouth dot net

May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus Maximus. " Latin for
"I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did
do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don't believe it,
C'est La Vie. "

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FAST LARRY POOL. SHOW, CLINCS, WORLD WIDE TOUR PRO PLAYER.

14 pages of bull shit.
www.fastlarrypool.com best prices in the billiard store, 200 free
articles on how to play in the encyclopedia. www dot fast larry pool
dot com. Enough teachings to fill up 4 full books and it's all for
free. Just log in and enjoy. 2006.

www.poolchat.net Pools best and most polite chat site for upscale
people. No flames, no wars, no bar, no bowling alley, no pin ball,
just pool mister, this is poolchat. www dot pool chat dot net. You
can ask FL questions on how to play or do the same on the main forum
where many top players will share their knowledge and experience with
you. Larry is back writing and putting up new articles and giving away
free pool cues and other equipment in his daily quizzes. Don't miss
the action. He has a list of 20 DVD's that are being given away,
some very rare pool footage and old movies.

www.fastlarrypool.com is Larry's web site where you can book lessons
or a trick shot show. 100 shots, 3 shows for half the price brand X is
charging. 3 times the time, 3 times the show, the shots are even 3
times better.

Check out the new billiards store which has the lowest prices on cues
and tables. Open the Encyclopedia to gain access to over 200
instruction articles for free. POOL LESSONS FROM A GRAND MASTER LEVEL
INSTRUCTOR, BILLIARDS EXPERT, CURRENT TOUR PLAYER AND FORMER ARTISTIC
WORLD CHAMPION. 770-381-6609.

Well over 3,000 successful private lessons have been taught since 1993.
Over 20,000 students taught in clinics all over the world in over 70
countries. Guaranteed satisfaction. You get what you come for or the
lesson is free. Larry says you have to shoot a good stick to teach an
advanced lesson or to tear down a pros game and put it back in shape.
He is known as a high end finisher but he also takes on total
beginners.

Larry plays on six pro pool tours. His tour 9 ball cards are: the UPA,
the men's main 9 ball tour where he ranks 35th in the world in mid
2006. He also plays on the Viking Pro 9 ball tour, Florida 9 ball
tour, SE pro 9 ball tour, the Senior Tour and the APTSA (Artistic Pool
and Trick Shot Association world tour. Larry is also listed on the
tour stats as having one of the highest straight pool runs in history
of 274 balls which is directly behind Ralph Greenleaf's record.
He holds the world record for the high run in rotation, 5 racks, 75
balls. His high run of 9 racks in 9 ball was only done twice on the pro
PBT tour.
His high run in 8 ball is 8 racks. He is regarded as the greatest shot
maker of all time by many hall of famers and world champions. Einstein
said there are 6 million possible shots and Larry has made all 6
million of them. He has made and duplicated every shot ever made on a
table during the last two centuries. He holds 20 world records in the
sport.
Fax 770-381-1916. POOL QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND FREE INSTRUCTION IS ON
www.poolchat.net In the ask the pros forum.
"Fast Larry" Guninger and Wonder Dog, perform trick shot shows and
entertainment world wide.
Email fast...@bellsouth.net fast Larry at bell south dot net.
DVD's.http://www.fastlarrypool.com/dvdseries_trickshots1_trailer.htm


May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between us.
If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May the wind
be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Latin for "I came, I saw, I


conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can

believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. " Shoot
straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy then
there is no way for you to lose. believe it, or not. If you don't
believe it, C'est La Vie. " "Winners make things happen. Losers let
things happen."Winners NEVER QUIT, QUITTERS NEVER WIN. They say FL can
not play. Then explain why he is on the Upa web site ranked 35th in
the world in mid 2006. All truth passes through three stages. First
it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted
as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788

You must develop a pure perfect stroke you can trust and that will take
a coach and a advanced level teacher. When you build that perfect
stroke and get in dead punch you can now go play some serious pool.
Now the game is won and lost between the 6" of your ears. You next
master the mental side of the game.
Memorize this and when you need it, recite it to your self in the
chair. It will pull you many future victories you would have let slip
away.


To become great, you must learn to reach deep down inside to pull out

that extra edge it will take for you to win. There is a hero inside
you just waiting to be set free who will rise to the occasion and play
at a level you have never seen or dreamed possible before. You must
summon him, command him to rise and to go win. A true champion digs
down inside and pulls up and out the greater you inside.
Crunch time is that point where the winner steps up to the plate and
takes charge and vanquishes the loser he is playing. You must dig
down deep for that winner inside you and turn him loose. Let him see
the finish line, smell the victory, grab the bit in his mouth and runs


for the roses. Let that big dawg hunt, just get out of his way and

follow him home. The loser gives up, see's no way to win, spits the
bit and rolls over. "FL"

Never give up, just run out on the other guy then there is no way for
you to lose. Many times in a race to 5 I was down 0-4 and came back to
win 5-4 by coming out firing and scaring the other guy. Just don't
miss and don't shoot 10% shots. Play safe on them and deny him the
opportunity to score on you.

You must learn to control your emotions. Fatty taught me only a sucker
puts heat on his own self. Only you put it on and only you can take it
off. Why shoot your own self in the foot so you can't win so just
relax and play fast and loose. Just say, no fear and freewheel on the
other guy. Never fear losing or looking bad. Just play your best
stick and let the out come happen naturally. Pool is simple, you win
some, you lose some. Get used to losing, nobody wins every time.
NEVER FEAR LOSING. Just run out on the other guy then there is no way
you can lose.
"There are only two types of players. Those who keep their nerves
under control and win championships and those who do not." Harry
Vardon English golf champion.
********************************************************************
Lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the three
please? Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me and
become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.
Play by feel, not by systems; do not make a simple game complicated. Go
with what you know, go with what is natural.

"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words of
Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds of
people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those
who wonder what happened." Vince said you've got to pay the price.
Winning is not a sometime thing, it's an all the time thing. Winning
is a habit, unfortunately so is losing. Vince Lombardi once said,
"The quality of a person's life is in direct proportion to their
commitment to excellence, regardless of their chosen field of
profession or endeavor. Fast Eddy said about the same thing in the
color of money.
Winning is everything. Winning is the only thing. If you can dream


it, see it, believe it, you can do it and you can be it. You can

perform totally out of the box deep into the Zone, one with the shot,
freewheeling fast and loose with no fear. Then you are a person with


no limits who can achieve anything he can imagine that a human body is
capable of producing. "FL"

Show me a guy who does not mind losing and I will show you a sausage.
Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser. "FL" "Nice
guys finish last" quote from Lou Durocher

"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'." - Yoda

Conquer your fear and you conquer the game, the battle, your life and
your fear of death. There is nothing impossible to him who will try.
Alexander The Great 320 BC.

When you play, repeat over and over, No fear. Just freewheel and let
the good times roll. Keep holding the cue as lightly as possible and
keep saying, fast and loose.

It is all about visualization, focus, concentration and playing in the
zone. You just see it, feel it, do it: It does not get any deeper
than this? Play pool with an empty mind. "FL"

To become great, you must learn to reach deep down inside to pull out
that extra edge it will take you to win. There is a hero inside you
just waiting for your call to come alive and be set free. He will rise

to the occasion and play at a level you have never seen or dreamed
possible. You must summon him when the time comes. You must then
command him to rise up and to go on to win. A true champion digs down
inside and pulls up and out, the greater you hidden inside.
Crunch time is that point where the winner steps up to the plate, takes

charge and vanquishes the loser he is playing. You could now be dead
even and one must make his move. You could be far behind and playing
well under your game. If you're going down by the bow you say, I
don't hear no fat lady singin yet and it ain't over till it's over, so
why not attack and just freewheel and run all over this guy I am
playing. You must turn that champion loose. Let him see the finish
line, smell blood, smell the victory, grab the bit in his mouth
and run for the roses. Let that big dawg hunt, just get out of his way

and follow him home. "FL"
If you can dream it, see it, believe it, you can do it and you can be
it. You can perform totally out of the box. Then you are a person
with no limits who can achieve anything he can imagine that a human
body is capable of producing. "FL"

"Flow with what ever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay
centered by accepting what ever you are doing and what ever comes your
way."
Chuang-Tzu.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu

Fortune favors the brave. Virgil, Aeneid Roman epic poet (70 BC - 19
BC)

Conquer your fear and you conquer the game, the battle, your life and
your fear of death. There is nothing impossible to him who will try.
Alexander The Great 320 BC.

For a man thinks within himself, so he is." Proverbs 23:7 "I can
do all things through Christ who gives me strength." Philippians
4:13

In order to master pool you must first learn how to master yourself and
your emotions. "For to conquer in battle a thousand men a thousand
times, means you have now conquered yourself and you are now the
greatest of warriors" Dharmapada.

This is a feel game and a mind game. When the mind is pure, pure
perfect pool will follow. Perfect pool comes from being taught how to
practice perfect. Being in dead punch is the ultimate trip and reward
from that. "FL"

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the
door will be opened to you.

Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,
leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well owing no man anything.
May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows you're dead? In
time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't take your self, or
anything too serious, just be happy and healthy. Laughter good whiskey
and song is the best medicine. If you have a library, a garden, a good
woman and a barrel of Scotch, you have all you need.
Rudolph Wanderone Sr, Minnesota Fats father, told fatty at age 5, a
lucky man lives the sporting life. Never do anything that makes you
unhappy. An unhappy man will not live long. If you are happy, you are
a rich man. If a man has his health, a roof over his head, good food
and friends what else does he need? He is wealthy beyond compare.
Every thing on the earth has a purpose, every disease an herb to cure
it, and every person a mission. You now must learn what you mission is
and fulfill your destiny. Pay your Karma off and be clean for the next
go around.
Aristotle said the main purpose is to survive to reproduce. Once that
is accomplished then the main goal in life is to achieve happiness.
The Dali Lama says the main goal in life is to achieve enlightenment.
The 2nd goal is to achieve happiness and you and only you are
responsible for this. Seek it in you and do not expect others to give
it to you. Any thing you wish to do that brings you happiness, or to
others, must be under taken. The question of whether it is profitable
should never be asked. If it loses money, it still must be done. If
you can find a thing to do which brings you happiness and makes you
money you are indeed a lucky person. Your third goal is to find your
soul mate. Seek out a woman you like who makes you happy and who you
like to spend time with. Do not seek out beauty or follow lust as once
that cools, your relationship has been made on sand which soon crumbles
into dust.
Play the best, hustle the rest. Be a locksmith. Never play hew haw,
it will ruin you. It is not how good you play but how good you match
up. If you see a sausage and know you can give him the 7 and the snap
and rob him drunk, do not bet until you sell him to give you the 7 and
the snap. Do this and you never lose and sleep on silk sheets at
night.
Just never wise up a chump or give a sucker an even break, W.C. Fields.

Never give weight. Spot, what is that, you never spot nobody nuttin.
Spot is your little dog who got run over by a Mack truck in front of
the motel 6 in Lodi. You say, stop talking about spot, every time you
do I get tears in my eyes and wont be able to play.
When you clean out the joint and they are all standing there
complaining you hustled us and took all our money. You say to them,
grasshopper, I have a stable of hot ho's to support who depend on me
to bring home the loot so they can have a good time. So the needs of
the many, you sausages, are out weighed by the needs of the one, me.
Bow in reverence as you walk backwards towards the door, then turn
running out the door and leap in the rear door of your caddy head first
which was open and is pointed into the traffic with its bright lights
on. You now say tell the ho driving, its 100 miles to Chicago, we have
a half tank of gas, a full pack of cigarettes, we are both wearing sun
glasses, it is dark, hit it.
"When we see clearly, the great teachings are the same."
eighteenth-century Japanese Zen poet Ryokan, All the great teachers
in pool and there are very few, end up teaching the same things.

"No one can earn a million dollars honestly." - William Jennings Bryan
(1860-1925 "Behind every great fortune there is a crime." - Honore de
Balzac (1799-1850) "If women didn't exist, all the money in the
world would have no meaning." - Aristotle Onassis (1906-1975)

All that is certain in life are you are born, you will die, you will
pay taxes and everything you now know and love will change. Change is
the one certainty you must learn to live with and accept in your life.
The only thing certain in life is change. Do not fight something you
have no control over. Gracefully accept change when it comes.
"FL"

Nuttin sticks, everything changes, everyone leaves you. You gotta play
it big while you got it. You gotta be big, hit it big, miss it big,
every thing you do has gotta be big. "Babe Ruth".

Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the way. Life is
a waste of time, time is a waste of life, so get wasted all of the time
and have the time of your life. Wander in wonder of life and follow La
Vie Dansante. As my grand master said and I quote as a loyal parrot
head, why don't we get drunk and screw? I am on my new Whiskey diet
this week and I have already lost three days?
It took me years to learn how to beat and avoid hangovers, just stay
drunk and don't sober up. Never act your age, stay young forever.
FL is 29; he plans to stay 29 forever. His kids are now older than he
is and do not understand him at all. In 7 more years his grand
children will be older than him. Fl says, when you begin to act your
age, it's all over for you. The number one cause of death in old
people is retirement and boredom. You must always have a hobby or a
job, a project or a hottie your old lady does not know about on the
side to keep you alive and on earth with a purpose. I want to die
while I am living rather than live while I am dying.
I want to die being totally alive with my boots on. I don't want to
die being brain dead for a decade with my boots off and rotting in a
bed on a pan. I want to die on top of a 19 year old hottie yelling
who's your daddy, Bonsai just as I catch the big one. Use your
imagination on that one. If you gotta go dudes, go out with a bang
hangin 10. Or when I die, I want to die like my father-- who died
peacefully in his sleep with his boots on and not screaming like all
the passengers riding in his Lincoln Town car who were going downhill
on the interstate at 85mph at the time coming down out of the
mountains. Die happy and you lived a good life. Live you life daily
with honor and pride in your actions and you will sleep like a baby.
Always tell the truth and you don't have to remember your lies. Be a
man of honor and integrity.
When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled
with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for
a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home. "Quote Indian
Chief Aupumut."
FL say's only the good die young, God allows all pool hustlers to
live till they are 85 so they can suffer. If I knew I was going to
live this long I would have taken better care of my self. I had a damn
good run and more time here than I expected or planned for so if it all
ends tomorrow, no tears, I lived 3 life times in the same span a normal
man lives one. When I die I want to be cremated and my ashes sprinkled
inside a Super Wal-Mart, then I'll know my kids will finally come to
see me twice a week. Actually my ashes will be sprinkled off the far
point of lovers Key in Bonita Springs, Florida.
There was always only three things important to me. Panther Piss,
Pussy and Pool, the big 3. Get those 3 right and then as Lamata said,
the rest of it don't matta no how. I became the master of all three
and the rest then just fell in line some how. Old Scotch, young broads
and a good pool game, ah yes indeed my boy, what else is there to live
for. The scotch keeps you mellow, the dolls keep you smiling and pool
keeps your pockets filled with green lettuce so you don't have to
work or wear no suit.
When you are riding it home, can see the finish line, don't spit da
bit. Begin beating the ass with your riding whip and yell out like
Tarzan C'est si bon, si bon, si bon, who's yo daddy. When she screams
FL, don't take it too hard, life goes on. C'est La Vie.
I have seen it all, done it all, been everywhere. I spent 60 years
playing pool and finally learned all there is to possibly know about
the game and now can't remember any of it. I wonder why I spent all
that time and money doing it in the first place. I should have just
stayed home and made it all up.
Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.
I danced the last Tango in Paris
Took the last chopper out of Saigon
Took the first fast hydrofoil boat to China
And there's still so much to be done
I had a third world girl in Caracas
With a pistol in each pocket
She always kept me covered
As we moved from land to land.
I stashed my cash in Cayman land and
Lived to dance and make love.
I had a damn good run on Wall Street
With my high fashion model wife.
I wore out running all over the Americas
crashed and burned three planes.
>From coast to coast. I ran through a lot of good women
And drove them all totally nuts.
I woke up dry beneath the African sky
Just me and my Swiss Army knife. A legend never dies.
Remember the words of the great Emiliano Zapata . . .
it is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. . .
I am just a simple teacher. All that I now know is that I now know
nothing. I am nothing but a good ball banger who teaches a good lesson
and puts on a good trick shot show that is the only two things I do
well in life. "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is
the illusion of knowledge."-Stephen Hawking
Aristotle said "Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the
whole aim and end of human existence."
Fast Larry Guninger, real man, real pool player, real American, real
Christian." God bless the land of the free and of the brave. Fáilte
Roimh Cheartúcháin, Go dtuga Dia suaimhneas síoraí dó. Politically
he is John fookin Wayne and just a little to the right of Attila the
Hun. He say, I ain't runnin for gov-nor so you all can take all that
politically correct bull she-yit and stuff it where da sun don't
shine. I tell it like it is. Some of you, can't deal with the real
truth.

Minnesota Fats: Larry's teacher said? "When I played pool I was like
a psychiatrist. I cured 'em of all their daydreams and delusions." "You
don't learn from smart people, you learn from idiots. Watch what they
do, and then don't do it." Learn to be a lock smith. If you should be
giving the 7 and the snap, don't play for money unless you sell the
pigeon he should give you the 7 and the snap. Then you never lose.
Never put heat on your self, pressure is self induced; only you can put
it on, only you can take it off. The toughest player mentally wins when
skills are equal. "Golf is 90% mental and 10% physical." -- Ben Hogan
said "I am the toughest golfer mentally." -- Tiger Woods agrees as do
all the top pool players.
Never be afraid of any top player. They are all human and they all can
be beat. You must come out smoking and put heat on them early. The
bigger they are, the harder they fall. They expect you to play tight
and choke and lose. They do not expect you to attack them with out
mercy. Just come out firing and play with reckless abandon. Show the
guy no respect by just running all over him. If you are able to do
that in the first game or two it can shake him up so it can lead to a
very big upset. It is your only chance to win. Play his game and you
lose every time.
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!
--Rudyard Kipling
It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives
valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, and spends
himself in a worthy cause, who, at the best, knows in the end the
triumph of high achievement and who, at the worst if he fails, at least
fails while doing greatly, so that his place shall never be with those
cold and timid souls called bozos and rail birds who never tee it up
and then, know neither victory or defeat.
Teddy Roosevelt.
Paul Newman, in The Color of Money: "Money won is twice as sweet as
money earned." FL says always have something riding on every match, it
steels the nerves.
W. C. Fields: "Trust everyone-and always cut the cards." You can't
con an honest man. Never wise up a sucker or Give a sausage an even
break. Never loan a pool player a penny, but show him where the bank
is and send him there.
Quotes from FL. Exercise is not cracked up to be what it really is.
If God intended for me to be able to touch my toes he would have put my
toes where my knees are now. To prevent sagging when you get old just
eat more and it fills out the wrinkles. The trouble with jogging is the
ice falls out of my scotch glass. If I knew I was going to live this
long I would have taken better care of my self. I am not afraid to
die; I just don't want to be there when it happens. I would rather be
in Philadelphia.

I drink because it makes people more interesting and my wife better
looking. It aint easy being me. The problem is I get no respect, tug
on tie. I really didn't say everything I said. I take the 5th on
all of it. That's my story and I'm stickin to it. Don't even
think of suing me. My mouthpiece Louie Da Lip will plead insanity,
have me take da 5th, then show I have dementia, Senility, Mental
Illness, emotional disability, cognitive dysfunction, psychological
disorders, brain damage as a child, Alien abduction and RSB long term
abuse plus Alzheimer's disease. I got a bad bottle of Blue Agave and
have not been right since. I will walk in rolling around two steel
balls in my hand like Humphrey Bogart in the Cain Mutiny and No jury
will convict me. Where are me fookin car keys? My memory is not as
sharp as it used to be, my memory is not as sharp as it used to be, my
memory is not as sharp as it used to be. I saw nut zing, I know nut
zing. I remember nut zing. When you get old they say you lose two
things, (1) your memory, (2).... Senior moment, let me get back to you
with that one. I gave up looking for my lost shaker of salt years ago
and thank God for wonder dog who leads me back to my motel room every
night. You always wondered why I ran on the road with that dog
didn't you? So the question is am I nuts? Probably, any body who
plays pool for a living is nuts, and if you play the game as long as I
have you then become nuts. That one is a given, just ask Earl.
There is a very fine line that divides genius and madness. A genius
walks on both sides of that line all of his life.

"All of us are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called
a philosopher."
- Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must."
- Edward George Bulwer-Lytton (1803-1873)

A mans knows he is a success when he loves what he does and is very
good doing what he loves. "Warren Buffett"
I get no respect; tug on tie, that's the entire problem, no respect.
It aint easy bein me.
May peace be with you and me, and all of Gods blessings descend upon
you.
God Bless you and God bless America.
You only go around once so make the most of it while you are here. You
have a long way to go and a short time to get there. Be sure to take
the time to smell the flowers along the way. Keep your head when all
around you are losing theirs. When you lose your head, your ass soon
follows. Hang loose, mello out, and play the game of life like pool,
fast and loose.
"When you are called home and stand in judgment in front of St Peter
and his angels he will not care how many times you won or you lost. He
will only ask you how well did you play your game and how true were you
to it? It is now about how many tin cups you won, but about how many
friends you acquired and how many people you made love you along the
way." FL.
"The longer I play this game the harder it becomes." Bobby Jones
Jr, 1929 just before he won the grand slam, a feat no other player has
been able to duplicate.
"When I first came on tour in my early 20's I played the top
courses in the country and played many of them in the low 60's saying
they are so easy. I came back to play them 20 years later and said I
can't believe how hard they are to make par on." Johnny Miller.
"This is why 9 ball is a young mans game, because they are too stupid
to understand how tough it really is. Fast Larry."
"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for everything." You
will just be a smuck they sell every thing too. Early on you must
learn to take hard stands on the important issues that rule your life
and your ethics. You must have moral and religious rules you obey to
become a righteous man if you want any chance of ever obtaining
enlightenment.

Come chat with Larry live at www.poolchat.net. Do not miss the
Encyclopedia of pool, over 200 instruction articles now up on
www.poolchat.net and it's all free. Come to Atlanta and be video
taped in a 7 million dollar state of the art facility in a private room
with 4 gold crowns with Larry one on one. A full day is only $350
which is only $43 an hr, every one else is charging double or triple
this. It is rated as the top teaching facility in the world.
770-381-6609 puts you on the schedule, or wait for FL to show up as he
is a pro UPA touring player and appears coast to coast and catch him
when he comes in town.
About FL's 20 world records, some try and dispute them, FL's answer
is you have two choice's here, you can believe it, or you can believe
it not, FL does not really give a damn which one you get on because he
knows he did them all and is done fighting any one about them. He
proved every one of them by the Guinness world book of records
standards back in the mid 90's. On each record, a full press
release, with the video tape and signed affidavits of the witnesses
were sent out to over 175 interested parties in the industry. 18 of
his 20 records were set not in a pool hall, but at Georgia Tech
University and filmed by an independent studio, TTN. Nobody had ever
proved any thing as complete and perfect as Larry did.

To him it's now a mute point dude. He goes out to his glory knowing
what he did. He offered to bet any one 10K to 300K he could pass a lie
detector test he did all that he said he did and from 1993 when this
offer hit the streets till today, over a decade and a half and not one
scum bum took the bet. FL put his fortune, where his mouth was and
defending what he did with his life savings. If he was a fraud,
somebody would have called his bluff and became rich. Those who
falsely accused him were backed down by him and exposed as the real
frauds and liars. They were all just jealous punks who were all
exposed as nobodies who only wanted to trash those who were what they
could never be, real pro's who could really play.

A prophet is never recognized or understood in his home land. Jesus
Christ, 30 AD.

When life's problems simply over whelm you just say. "I AM Too
blessed to be stressed!" The shortest distance between a problem and a
solution is the distance between your knees and the floor. The one who
kneels to the Lord can stand up to anything. God's Love and peace be
with you forever,

As it's time to go home soon, FL always said he was just a little
smarter dan dee average bear boo boo. Time after time the wizard would
climb into his Omaha state fair balloon and sail off for a clean get
away waiving goodbye to the munskins and bozos below him. It was
really hard to get a hold of Teflon Larry. He was part Priest and flim
flam man. He was as he said he was, simply a real pool player.

And so, as one smart FL bear once said..."If you live to be a hundred,
I want to live to be a hundred minus one day, so I never have to live
without you wonderful real pool players"
May you always have LOVE to share, HEALTH to spare and FRIENDS that
>>>> care...


After you have won and are alone, pull this from your billfold and now
read it to your self:
For over a thousand years, Roman conquerors returning from the wars
enjoyed the honor of a triumph. A tumultuous parade. In the
procession came trumpeters and musicians and strange animals from the
conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and
captured armaments. The conqueror rode in a triumphal chariot, the
dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children
robed in white, stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses.

A slave stood behind the conqueror, holding a golden crown, and
whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting.

The Hustler movie, 1961:
At Finley's mansion SARAH says: Don't wear a mask, Eddie. You don't
have to.(points to Bert) That's Turk, Eddie, the man who broke your
thumbs. Only he's not going to break your thumbs. He'll break your
heart, your guts. And for the same reason -- 'cause he hates you,
'cause of what you are. 'Cause of what you have and he hasn't.
This explains the jealous actions of many people on the pool chat
boards. They can't play, they hate those who can. Later back at the
hotel: In the bathroom mirror we see Bert asleep on his bed. The sheets
are rumpled and tossed about. Then we see Sarah, in her slip, enter the
bathroom and shut the door. She takes out her lipstick and scrawls
across the image of herself in the glass
"Perverted, twisted, crippled." She underlines the word "crippled."
Those 3 words, describes the pool world Fast Larry came up in and
it's his goal in life to help change that image and see a new
generation of pro pool players get respect and finally play for and
earn serious money which they deserve. He want's to see pool become
the great sport it was when he first picked up a cue in the 1940's.
When the top Billiard player had the same respect and the same fame as
all the top athletes in the USA then. Add up the incomes of the world
champion boxer, Dempsey, Tennis star Tilden, Golfer Bobby Jones,
football player Jim Thorpe and baseball legend Babe Ruth and a billiard
player made more than all of them combined, His name was Willie Hoppe.
He was making a million a year in l908 and no pool player since then
has.

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6 P's, Perfect Practice Produces a Pure Perfect Performance.
3 pages 10-27-04 CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved. Bpn,
czm, upp, rsb, btt, ppt.

Become a student of the game and the complete pool player.
Have you ever heard of the SIX "P's"? They are a great tool for any
aspect of our lives. You will learn them in the corps: Semper Fideles
(Always Faithful) at a Time of War
Attempt to use them as I do in life. Proper Preparation & Planning
Prevents Poor Performance.
In the Power Source Pool School our teaching concept is;

Perfect practice produces a pure perfect performance.

To be the pool player you dream of you first must learn to be that
complete player. You must have proper preparation. You must mental
prepare before any contest. You must be spiritually prepared, at peace
with your wife, children and everyone around you. Your mind must be
clear and calm with no inner turmoil. What ever it takes to achieve
that you must do. If your old lady is driving you nuts right before
the city championship, check in a motel for 2 days and don't tell her
where you went and calm your mind.

Pool greatness has a price and that price is you busting your butt and
putting in all the extra effort you can think of. You need to double
up and do the drills you dislike. You need to double your practice
time. You need to get to the gym and work out. You must now train
your mind and your body to get ready to win. You work up to each event
like this.

No matter what you did in the past to prepare, now triple it. Get
serious about winning. Begin to jog, a pool player needs strong legs,
do sit ups, push ups, get in shape. If you dogged the 8 ball on a
reasonable shot last night then today set the shot up again the next
day and shoot it 100 times. If you are still missing it, shoot it 500
more times. On each pot you say, shot, I own you; I shall never ever
miss you ever again.
Having the proper Mental Edge will be the difference between you
winning or you losing. Once you master the basics and the patterns,
pool at the top is won or lost in the 6" between the ears and it all
becomes mental.
The secret to perfect Golf or pool is visualization which is seeing
your self play from a distance and playing perfect shots which you
dream about doing. You must make this an exact thing so when you go to
bed at night you see your self breaking and running out perfectly over
and over until sleep over comes you.
In your game, you walk up to the shot, see your self stroke, pot
perfectly and see the cue ball go 3 rails to a perfect angle on the
next ball. You fed your cpu the pattern for it to copy and immolate,
now drop down and shoot it by that same feel and image.
In your dreams you must see you're self over coming, coming back,
stringing racks and running out to victory. You must see your hands on
the tin up and see it going up over your head. You must want it, feel
you deserve it, relish in the warmth of your great victory. You now
feel the cheers and applause of the audience and the hand shakes from
the fans.
Select and watch videos of perfect performances and run outs to back up
to your cpu this can be done and is being done by others and there is
no reason you cannot do this as well.
You only see you winning and must not have or harbor any negative
thoughts of missing or losing. Have no doubts about winning; only see
you're self actually doing it. Crush any negative thoughts that come
in.
If you are a league 8 ball player the 8 is your game ball. Every one
chokes on the 8 ball and it's a dark and difficult ball to pot. Let
it roll over and there are no markings to aim from. I bought 15 all
black 8 balls. I rack them up, break and shoot nothing but seven 8
balls. One of them is different slightly and that is my game ball. I
say, I love shooting the 8 ball, I never miss the 8 ball, and I never
choke on the money ball. I reinforce this, over and over and brain
washes my self with this until my cpu accepts and believes this to be
true.
Some tap into the power of the Lord for extra strength and help.
Without god, we are weak and will be a ship with out a rudder through
our lives. We need to feel he will help us make our goals and
accomplishments. Prayer to do our best is a just prayer. Some have
never felt their full potential of the great player inside them they
dreamed to come out until they put their games in the hands of the
Lord. Feel the power of the Lord and play in peace and know if you
have love in your heart you are calm and are blessed.
Ask for his love and ask him for extra strength and courage to take
into your battle today. You must be prepared to play on a level you
never dreamed possible and get out of the way of your own body and
allow that to flow and occur. If you don't push for that, seek that,
it cannot happen. Put your trust in Jesus and just go out and give it
all you can and then win, win, win.


Vince Lombardi once said, "The quality of a person's life is in
direct proportion to their commitment to excellence, regardless of
their chosen field of profession or endeavor.

This is a feel game and a mind game. When the mind is pure, pure


perfect pool will follow. Perfect pool comes from being taught how to
practice perfect. Being in dead punch is the ultimate trip and reward
from that. "FL"

If you can dream it, see it, believe it, you can be it and perform


totally out of the box. Then you are a person with no limits who can
achieve anything he can imagine that a human body is capable of
producing. "FL"

THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL WWW.FASTLARRYPOOL.COM
POOL LESSONS FROM A MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR. 770-381-6609


POOL QUESTIONS AND FREE INSTRUCTION IS ON
WWW.BILLIARDS-POOL.NET in the ask the pros forum.
"Fast Larry" Guninger and Wonder Dog, trick shot shows and
entertainment.
WWW.FA...@BELLSOUTH.NET www dot fastlarry at bellsouth dot net

May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between


us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus Maximus. " Latin for

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I am writing a book on your health. Its now up to 65 pages and when it
hits 100 I'll stop and put it on the market. Its a bitch to read, but
vital to know a lot of the stuff that is in there.

Here are todays new additions: If you wish to read all 65 pages, go
into
www.poolchat.net
Open the forum ask fast larry


EYES: with out good vision you can’t play pool well. The number one
key to championship play is superior vision. Protect your vision, wear
sun glasses when you are out side and always when you are driving a
car. The glare off of the hood can be very damaging to your retinas.
Rest your eyes a lot. When you are playing matches, every chance you
get between the matches close your eyes to rest them even if its just
for a few seconds. Carry a bottle of eye drops in your pool case. Use
the tears kind which is thicker and better than Visine. The smoke in
the pool rooms can cause a film on the eyes and aggravate them. 3 days
prior to an important match or tourney, rest the eyes. Don’t read
newspapers, watch TV or get on your computer. Do not do anything that
can stress or strain your eyes, just play pool gradually tapering down
your practice time before the event also. The day before the event, do
nothing. Just rest and meditate. Also prior to any event stop all of
the mentally multi tasking you are now doing which is turning you into
a crazy person. Just relax and play a lot of relaxing pool. Simplify
your life and put your mind at rest. Remember protect your peepers,
when they begin to dim, so does your game.
Each spinach and carrots. Take 4 eye vitamin pills a day that is
called Icaps.

HOSPITALS: They are germ factories. They are extremely dangerous.
They have germs floating around there that they have nothing to give
you for. The only way I will go in one is when my mother is admitted.
Other than that I will not come see you. The only way I go in is when
I am forced to by a Doctor or injury. They kill 100,000 people a year
in these places do to mistakes. The care you get there has tanked and
the help is trash. Do not trust these people. If they are going to
operate paint an arrow on your body where they cut. The only way you
can now get me in one of these places is to carry me in there
unconscious feet first.

Don’t take my word on this:

The Quality of Health Care Explored in Four-Part PBS Series
Remaking American Medicine…Health Care for the 21st Century

As many as 98,000 Americans die each year in hospitals due to
preventable medical errors. One million more are injured. In fact,
medical errors kill as many people per year as breast cancer, HIV-AIDS
and car accidents. These and other equally startling statistics
underscore the chaotic conditions within the American health care
system. Remaking American Medicine…Health Care for the 21st
Century explores the quality crisis and the innovative solutions being
undertaken by providers, patients and their families to transform the
care provided by the institutions we all depend on. The four one-hour
programs are scheduled to air on PBS on October 5, 12, 19 and 26 at 10
p.m. 2006, (check local listings).

AIRPLANE: The ride from hell.
Planes used to be fun to fly in. Filled with healthy businessmen,
great food and service. The planes of today are nothing but Greyhound
buses with wings. They pack you in like sardines where you can’t
even move and you have both knees stuck in the kidneys of the guy in
front of you. You care barely lower your food tray they have you
packed in so tight. You have to bring your own pillow, blanket food
and water. All they give you now is a 15 cent pack of peanuts and a
glass of water. It’s the close quarters which is the problem. The
air they just offer recirculates so if there are 250 people on board
it’s a good bet one or two are sick and their germs are being spread
within this air system. You get trapped in a germ factory. You are
traveling with many lower class people now and immigrants. First class
does not segregate you totally from them. Remember, it’s all the
same air coming from the back of the plane into first class. Buy nice
bedroom slippers with rubber soles and put padded shoals inserts in
them. They are very comfortable. Wear them into the airport and put
you hard to take on and off Tennis shoes or dress shoes in your carry
on bags. You have to take off your shoes going through security and
these you just kick off and toss in the bin and then slip them back on.
They are also softer and easier on the feet on the plane. You can buy
pairs that are hard to detect from regular shoes. This will save you
time going through security and you will not be detracted from your
belongings trying to sit down and put on and lace back up your shoes.
That is the area a lot of things are stolen including lap tops.

Studies have not stated that if you take 5 or more flights in a week
you will come down sick the problem now is that great. Sandrine cans
in the sky. The real problem is during the winter and the flue season.

Do an on line check in and go to your airlines web site 24 hrs before
departure and select your seat always on the aisle by an emergency exit
and print out your boarding pass. At the airport with just carry on
bags you can go straight to the gate. Always arrive well ahead of time
so you do not put stress on your self. Get to the gate and pick a seat
by the gate and make a few cell phone calls. Bring a fold down cart
with wheels to carry your bags to the plane to save your arms. Any
other bags check them at the curb when you arrive. If you travel with
a pool cue then buy a large hard shell suit case your cue and case will
fit inside of.
Pack your own food and bottled water for the flight. Do not touch any
thing in the air port, if you must open a bathroom door, do it with
your elbow. Carry a hanky to open any door handle that requires your
fingers to open. If you must push an elevator button do it with your
knuckle. Do not touch your face with your hands and wash them every
chance you get.

Carry a protective mask in your bag to protect you against any one
sitting next to you who is sick and coughing and sneezing and spreading
germs. Carry a mask labeled N95 which screens out 95% of airborne
particles. A surgical mask won’t cut it.

Try not to fly on planes that are booked full which traps you in your
seat. You can book a full flight and be in first class and if there is
a sick person sneezing there with the flu you are screwed. Any sick
person with in 6 rows of you can spread bird flu from past studies on
planes. Get up and move to the back of the plane if you can. If you
are trapped, put on your mask, place your blanket over your head and
stay covered until the plane lands. Go into hiding. The worst flights
are these jumbo jets to the Far East with 350 people and they are
packed solid. They are the flight from hell with sick Chinese going
home and you will get nailed a lot on these.

Researchers found bacteria such as e.coli known to cause diarrhea and
nausea in the water from the galleys and bathroom sinks in one of every
seven planes. Do not drink airplane water from any source. Carry a
small bar of soap in your bag and wash your hands with it in the
bathroom and dry with a paper towel.. Open the door with a paper towel
in your hand. Touch nothing on that plane if you can.

When the plane takes off or comes down place your fingers to close your
nose and blow hard like scuba divers do to release the pressure from
your ear drums so they do not hurt. You can also just swallow or chew
gum. On any longer trip get up when you can so the blood does not pool
in the legs which can lead to potentially deadly clots which has killed
young people on long flights. This is very serious and do not dismiss
this. Get up and walk back and forth front to back of the plane at
least once every hour. Wear loose fitting clothing and when you get
off the plane you can change into your more formal business clothing
and leather dress shoes in your carry on bag.

SUNLIGHT

Pool players do not get enough sunlight because it is an indoor sport.

You can spot the serious player or roadie by seeing if he has a tan.
If his face looks like the white belly of a fish it’s a good bet he
is living in a pool hall. If he has a tan or a red neck it’s a good
bet he is working a job and not you. A real roadie is like a bat in a
cave. He gets up at noon, lies around in his room watching soaps until
he hits the pool halls at 5pm. He plays and matches up until 3am. He
lives his life in darkness. This is all he does, he has no other life.


When I gambled I would never play Mexicans or Blacks for the simple
reason you could not tell if they had a tan or not. You really want to
look over that guy wanting to play you for money real close. Always
shake his hand and rub it. Is his hands smooth like a baby, or does he
have calluses like a working man does. Look at his finger nails. Do
they have dirty under them or are they manicured. Does he have nail
polish, a diamond pinky ring? There are clues if you look.

I spent my first third of my life in KCMO but I played Golf year round.
We would paint our golf balls red and go play in the snow if it was
above freezing. A little snow never stopped me. I used to play Tennis
so I was outdoors a lot hunting and fishing year round. I went skiing.
I got my share of sun. I always had a house and spent a lot of time
working in the yard and garden. Just because it is winter does not
mean you can stay indoors until spring. You have to get out side and
get your sun as much as you can. If you get a sunny day go rake the
leaves.

People who live in Scandanvia and northern Russia get very little
sunlight. It can be dark 20 hours a day there. They have the highest
rates of suicide, depression and alcoholism in the world.
You need sunlight. Don’t let all the skin cancer scares take you off
the beach.

Looking back a century and more people did not go to the beach and
stayed indoors during the winters. In the slums of Boston, New York
and London them teemed with children that had rickets, a bone bending
disease caused by Vitamin D deficiency. Tiny Tim in Dickens’s
Chrisman Carol novel was such a case. This disease all but disappeared
after the 1920’s when doctors realized it could be cured by sun
exposure. Farmers began fortifying milk with D. As more kids now live
behind computers this disease is making a come back.

Low levels of D are linked to cancer, hypertension, diabetes and
osteoporosis. Having proper levels of D is absolutely essential in all
aspects of our health.

Unlike other vitamins vitamin D isn’t found in much of what we eat
other than fortified milk and cold water fish like mackerel and salmon.
Instead it is supplied by the sun. A D-related hormone in the skin
soaks up the ultraviolet rays in sunlight and travels to the liver and
the kidneys, where is picks up extra molecules of oxygen and hydrogen.
This process transforms the pre-vitamin D into a potent hormone called
calcitriol. Part of the evolving understanding of this nutrient is that
scientists now thing many tissues in the body, not just the liver and
kidneys can convert the pre-vitamin D to make their own disease
fighting calcitriol.

Let the sun bake your unprotected arms and face for a few minutes and
you’ll make all the D you need. It sounds simple, though a touch
sinful. But combine our indoor lifestyle, sun blocking pollution and
cloud cover and you have a problem. Sunscreen with an SPF of 8 reduces
D absorption to virtually nil.

Americans living above the 40th parallel, a line that cuts from
Philadelphia to Columbus, Ohio, past Denver and through Northern
California are in areas where sunshine is scarce. In Boston in the
winter you could run around outside all day long naked from the time
the sun rises to when it sets and not make any D. With out sunlight
the body will go though its reserves of D in a few weeks. Studies show
that people living in the Northeast that 60% of them over 50 are low on
D.
The older you get the less efficient your body is at making D. 42% of
blacks are low because of their dark skins.

Colon cancer is twice as high in the NE as it is in the SE. Lack of D
causes cancer is what doctors now realize. Move south and your chances
of dying of cancer reduce by 27%. When the body does not produce the
hormone calcitriol, which can act like a brake on cell growth, when the
cells don’t get enough vitamin D it’s as if the brake lines are
cut. The cells can multiply uncontrollably and cancer results. Proper
amounts of D also reduce Prostate cancer.

In Finland where the sun shows its face for only a few hours a day
during the winter the natives have the worlds highest incidence of type
I diabetes. When you give the children there regular doses of vitamin
D they are not affected by it. D can suppress certain immune cells so
the vitamin may help by preventing destruction of the cells that
produce insulin.

Hypertension. It’s long been known that a population’s average
blood pressure rises the farther the country is from the equator.
That’s not just a matter of the laid-back tropics versus the urban
grind. Studies have proved this. Take people in the NE; put them
under UVB lights for at least 3 weeks and you double the D in their
systems and their blood pressure also drops significantly and for some
to normal. They have boosted their Calcitriol production in the
Kidneys and this tamps down the enzymes that cause blood vessels to
constrict, a major cause of blood pressure.

You can take an Iguana lizard and keep it inside and soon its bones
will begin to break down. All animals need sunlight so make Fido go
out and play as well when the sun shines. When D is missing the
intricate ballet of calcium regulation gets off and another hormone
parathyroid builds up and starts pulling calcium out of the skeleton.

One of the serious problems old people have is brittle bones. They
fall and break hips and many end up with osteoporosis because most do
not spend any time outdoors. 40% of their hip fractures found were
because they were low on D.

When you go to see your doctor as to have your D levels checked.
People under 50 get 200 IU a day. 51 to 69 aim for 400 IU. 70 and
over need 600 IU’s. That is enough to keep you healthy and some
doctors think you even need more than that to avoid other diseases. In
the absence of sunlight the daily does may be more on the order of 800
to 1000 IU’s day. More than 2000 can be harmful producing a toxic
buildup of calcium in the bloodstream. Getting 800 IU’s isn’t that
hard as an 8 ounce of milk has 100 and D-fortified orange juice as
well. D supplements are easy to find, usually packaged with calcium.
Better yet, get outside in the sun. All it takes is 10 to 20 minutes a
day with out sunscreen.

I was taught as a child to drink 3 glasses of milk a day and a glass of
OJ which I have done all of my life. There is my 400 IU> I pretty
much keep a year round tan my self but living in Florida does help. I
give my dogs a dish of milk and a one a day vitamin every morning. I
have a doggie door and I put out birdseed which attracts squirrels and
the dogs spend a lot of time out doors in the sun getting exercise
chasing the squirrels.

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VITAMINS I believe in them and I take a lot of herbs. It is best to
get with your doctor and go over what is best for you. A good multi
vitamin, C, B complex, E, fish oil, garlic, Echinacea, saw palmetto,
grape seed I recommend. Too many or too much of the wrong vitamins can
harm your health or even cause death. They were telling you to take
400 iu of E, now they say if you do 10% will die and to cut back to 200
iu. You can not just go into a health store and buy a bunch of stuff
off the shelf. Have a physician approve any thing going into your
body. The flip flop around on Vit C also.
Every one raved on kava kava and St John's Wart and now they are
considered dangerous. Now they say if you have congestive heart
disease don't take fish oil.

For pain I use Aleve. 2 with each meal, 3 times a day. That is a lot
but I am in a lot of pain and have a lot of stiffness from arthritis.
Aspirin keeps your blood thin. Clots can kill you. I take 375 mg
enteric aspirin with each meal also which dissolve in your large long
thick intestine and do not cause bleeding in your thin stomach wall.
It was 500 mg a day and now they say 80. It makes you wonder who
really knows when all this keeps changing. You trust one thing only
later to be told that was wrong. I have severe back pain and arthritis
and my usage is high. The problems are it makes me a bleeder, I do not
clot well on a cut and my tolerance to cold is poor with thinner blood.
A normal person could get by with an 80mg baby aspirin and one or two
Aleve's when they feel stiff. Long term usage of Aleve, Advil,
Tylenol can do damage to the liver. Don't take it unless you must.

All medications take with food to prevent damage to your stomach
lining. If I will be gone all day I take my lunch and dinner pills and
places them in two small plastic pouches I carry with me. During my
meals out I take my pills at the dinner table in the restaurant. This
means I can not skip meals and I must eat at regular times, 7am, noon,
6pm, there is an equal amount of time between my meals, 5 hours. Your
body needs and require exact regulation of meals and sleep. I want to
be in bed at midnight and up at 7am with 7 hrs of perfect sleep. Your
body functions best on a regular schedule. When I wake up I have a
bowel movement with in 10 minutes which is good and this happens every
day.

Every one should take a multivitamin every day and select one that has
all the minerals. Zinc aids memory and tests confirm taking it
improved reaction times 12%. When the body absorbs Zinc it's mostly
in the area of the brain which is key to memory and that likely boosts
recall abilities. 8 to 11 mg a day is about right. You get this in
most multi vitamins, fortified cereals, beans and fish. Do not over do
this one. Be careful. Intakes up to 40 mg a day are safe.

Yappinwolf

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Hey, Bong Soon... this stuff sucks... please stop

shiattferbrains

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Yo Fats, sure you ain't smoking them herbs?

Who do you really think gives a flying fooook
(sic) about your diet regimen...? We can tell by
your pic that you ain't exactly the poster boy for
Dietitician's Weekly...


On 11 Dec 2006 13:27:05 -0800, fast...@gmail.com
wrote:

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On 11 Dec 2006 15:09:55 -0800, fast...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>shiattferbrains wrote:
>> Yo Fats, sure you ain't smoking them herbs?
>>
>> Who do you really think gives a flying fooook
>> (sic) about your diet regimen...? We can tell by
>> your pic that you ain't exactly the poster boy for
>> Dietitician's Weekly...
>
>

>No No, dont smoke nuttin, bad for yo lungs. Me Fat, I am 250 lbs of
>muscle, I have a 6 pack now on top of my old 6 pack. I gots muscles
>riddin on top of muscles. the object of all womens desires and
>fantasy, a hunka hunka burnin love, the ultimate male, a sexual T Rex,
>all because of my diet. The ho's wont leave me alone. I have to leave
>the house with a baseball bat to beat them off. I dont get no rest, I
>am pooped. I feel like porky pig, porkin to the east, porkin to the
>west. So many ho's, so little of Larry to go around.
>
>Rodney gave me the secret and it made me what I am today. Here it is,
>I'm givin it to ya now, for free, like youse has 2 fookin dimes to rub
>together or a pot or window?
>
>Da Rodney Diet: Beer and Pizza, the diet of champions like me. Toss
>in some 3 mile island wings, some celery, slab of bar b q ribs, yo
>baby, how sweet it is. Wash it down with some Blue Agave.
>
>Now any body wit a name shit for brains, I could figger right off youse
>dont give no flying fook about nuttin. You are just jealous I am a big
>star and youse aint shit.
>
>I gotta put up with bozos like you. I'm tellin ya, it aint easy bein
>me, tug on tie. You should try bein me, it sucks royal dick. Give me
>a Xmas present, drop dead.
>
>Ho Ho Ho...
>
>I smell a limey, tell me you aint no limey?

He might not be, but I am. And I think you're a cunt. Have a nice day,
now

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Ok bozos, actung, actung, actung, listen up, put a sock in yo pie holes
ten hut.......

RSB is not the get FL board. I know you thought this was so, but it's
not.

This is not where you come to behave like an ass hole and moron.

You come here to learn about pool and to discuss the game. You have
all forgot how to do that. I will teach you.

I post articles, you read them, your brain hurts, but you will get
through it. You learn, you follow the teaching and then your high run
is no longer 3 fuckin balls, it becomes 4. You are now pumped and you
read more, ask me questions, begin new threads and this place is once
more fun to come into.

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8 BALL WADE INTO CLUSTERS?

4 pages 11-15-04 Cr, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved.
Published in DC, Bpn, czm, upp, ppt, btt.

Q: a player writes: I have a question if you don't mind.

8-ball - if there's a cluster containing both your balls and your
opponents, so that it's stopping both of you from running out, and you
can't cannon it from a pot,
do you tend to leave your opponent to open it, while improving your
position with the other balls, or wade in yourself, risking handing
your opponent the first open chance to clear the table?

A: FL Responds:

There are two answers to this. For me, being a strong player and with
great cue ball control, I would keep playing around with the guy until
I would get my cue ball in a position to pot and wade in and attack. If
I have to play a couple of safeties first to do that, no problem. I
always want control of the game and I can't win sitting in the chair. I
am very aggressive. Being a 14.1 player going into clusters is no
problem for me. Yes, maybe 20% of the time I will go in and get a lousy
roll and lose because of that. There is risk. The apa 6's and above
should be taking the risks, the 5's and below should be waiting and
play with caution.

When I began to study what I was getting trapped I began to reduce that
ahead of time trying to plot where the cue ball would go, what it would
hit and what would be the out come of that. I stopped just blasting
into clusters and praying, I began to plan and control what occurred in
there. I now go in with a lot of spin and more force than I used to.
In the past I would get trapped behind balls there. Now I want to go
in, blow it up and spin wide free of that area trying to get back out
in the middle of the table.

The majority of the time I win by being bold. I wan't to do it to him
before he does it to me. The league 6 or 7 should think that way. If I
don't attack and run out on him he will to me so attacking the
cluster first gives me control of the game. I have the chance to win
or lose. I control the destiny of the game, he in he chair does not.

If you are 3-4-5's, usually the first guy who breaks up the cluster
loses. You are probably better missing on purpose and letting the other
guy bust them up, then screw it up and give you the easy out. If I am
playing or gambling with a lesser player I want to make my win look
easy so I don't do any spectacular break outs that may run him off.
I just wait and keep messing with him and leaving him tough shots I
know he can't make. If I keep leaving him long thin cuts he is
turning whitey loose and in 3 or 4 shots the guy will scratch every
time. I have cue ball in hand and I now get up close and create the
perfect angle into the cluster, bust it up and run out to win. He
feels he lost because he scratched and he is right.

Q:


Make them bust the balls up for you. No need to do any work when you
can force your opponent to do it for ya!

Fl Responds:
Yes, that is the strategy the older wiser bar box player's use. If it
works with the skill level players in your place then go with that.
Most of the old seasoned experienced 5's employ this tactic and are
very good at it. They keep beating you and after a while you realize
all they are doing is getting the final shot when the table opens and
all they are doing is running 3 and out.

If you get a good stick that begins to take the shot and burns you with
it, then you have to do same and begin to attack as well. You want a
game plan, but you must be ready to innovate and change plans on a
dime. Never keep playing the same losing game. If what you are doing is
losing, change everything around 100%, do everything different. You
might get lucky and win; it could mix up or confuse the opponent. Be
flexible.

Q: Thanks guys.

I'm not sure how the ratings work in the US (I'm in the UK), but I
think I can relate Fast's two approaches to different levels of ability
here.
I guess I'd put it all together into the following general rule:
Usually try to go into the cluster off of a cannon wherever possible.
I figure trying to do this early on and while I have balls over pockets
will give me the best chance of having another shot available.
Then when that's not possible try to manipulate the other guy into
opening them for me.

I think that if he's got several balls in difficult positions that need
developing, if I wait before going in I'm just handing him free
opportunities to develop the problem balls. Plus, even if I do open the
cluster then let him back to the table, at least he won't have an
immediate run out. Provided I've opened all my balls before dealing
with the cluster, I should have for my next visit.
So then it should just be a matter of balancing the two scenarios...

Fl: Yes, do not be stuck in some unbending game plan, be ready to
change on a dime. Always change a losing game, do something different,
do everything different, it can throw the other guy off his roll.

Lay out the perfect table, 8 balls down table, 7 up table, no balls on
a rail and divide the stripes and solid equally around the table.
Begin with cue ball in hand in the middle of the table with a perfect
shot. Run 10 tables and do that every day. There is no play safe in
this drill you are trying to run out on every shot and teaching your
self that every time you see a open easy table you are long gone, 88
and out the door.

If you are a apa 6 or above you should be able to run the first 7, pot
8, spot the 8 back up, and run 8 and out again, 16 and out. You run
the stripes and pot 8, spot it, now run the solids and pot 8 for the
2nd time. What the hell, the table is wide open. Just mark down on a
paper how many 8 and outs you achieve on the first run compared to the
2nd run and you will find on the first run you get pot 6 or 7 a lot and
then miss or flub shape or do not have a shot.

You are violating my cardinal rule of 8 ball, if you can not run 8 and
out, never run 7, you should be ducking around 5 and lay the guy to
waste with no shot. All you are doing is eliminating all these guys
obstacles so his final 8 and out is 3 times easier than yours. You
will also find from your studies and experience with this that you will
log 2 or 3 times more run outs from the back 8 than from the front end
8 where you have 7 of his balls to dodge and play around.

You are now going we know this, so tell us something we don't already
know and I say; yes you know it, so why do you keep violating it. Why
do you keep even trying to run out every time? Half the people or more
you are playing in your rooms can't run out from an open table
without screwing it up. OK, if you have such a person on your hands
and you have the first shot, miss on purpose and hang the ball blocking
a pocket, they hate that and this really screws them up big time. Let
him begin by getting stuff out of your way. On some of them I'll
even miss a 2nd time and hang a 2nd ball now blocking both corner
pockets. They now become clueless. I play these boys like a fiddle; I
am like a cat playing with the mouse. I am going to eat the mouse, but
I will make him think he is going to beat me and escape, when I bore
with the game, I take him out.

Become a student of the game. Study how you and your opponents are
playing. Understand how you win and lose.

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8 ball and how to win

12-1-05 , 3 pages, CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved.
Published in DC, Bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, btt.

Some simple rules. Do not try and break and run out every game. That
is like betting every poker hand. You have to know when to go, when to
fold. Do not set unrealistic expectations on your game. Nobody breaks
and runs out consistently.

Brand new perfect tables, balls and cloth at the 12-05 IBT Orlando
million dollar 8 ball tourney produced the following run outs from the
greatest players on Earth.

They break and run out 28% of the time.

Bracket 1, 25 percent

Bracket 2, 27 %

Bracket 3, 31 %

Bracket 4, 32 %

Bracket 5, 24 %
Later into the event once the weaker players were gone the stats
changed, the younger top stars broke and ran out 32% and the older hall
of famers past their primes were 18% for a 29% average. Skills do
diminish with age.

If you are playing a race to 7 and you break and run out 2 times you
are playing
World class pro speed at 8 ball.
If you are playing a race to 7 and you break and run out twice then you
are playing world class pro speed. Breaking and running 3 racks in a
row is very strong. I have run 5 several times and my high run is
eight.

Some feel that the breaker has the disadvantage at 8 ball and if you do
not break them great and make a ball a high percentage of the time this
is true. For me it is not because I have a great break usually making
two on the snap and moving up past the side pockets at least 7 balls
with a run out table spread leaving the cue ball in the middle of the
table for a shot. Come see me for lessons and I can improve any
one's break dramatically.

I want to win the lag and never flip. Break off of the end rail one
half diamond left of center and hit the one square with center ball
English perhaps a hair below center so the cue ball comes straight back
up table 2'.

When all the balls are equal take stripes as they are easier to see.
Now determine is this a run out table or not. If it is, plot all 8
balls in a row. Never run 7, if you can not run 8. All you do is get
all the paths open for the opponent and sell out that game.

If you are not sure you can get out then plan a safe around ball 5.
Leave him nothing or a long tough shot. Keep control of the table so
you keep getting out in 2 innings. Run 5, duck, run 3 and out. The
poor opponent has to run out to win every time he comes to the table.

The secret to 8 ball success is to play within your current running
ability and stop trying to run out every time you come up. Just deny
your opponent shots and equal opportunity to score against you.

www.fastlarrypool.com POOL LESSONS FROM A GRAND MASTER LEVEL
INSTRUCTOR, BILLIARDS EXPERT AND FORMER ARTISTIC WORLD CHAMPION.
770-381-6609. Larry plays on six pro pool tours. His tour 9 ball cards
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Senior Tour and the APTSA (Artistic Pool and Trick Shot Association.
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be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Latin for "I came, I saw, I


conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can

believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. " Shoot
straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy then
there is no way for you to lose.

Either lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the


three please? Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me
and become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.
Play by feel, not by systems; do not make a simple game complicated. Go
with what you know, go with what is natural.
"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words of
Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds of
people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those
who wonder what happened." Vince said you've got to pay the price.
Winning is not a sometime thing, it's an all the time thing. Winning
is a habit, unfortunately so is losing.

Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,

leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well with your boots on owing


no man anything. May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead? In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't
take your self, or anything too serious, just be happy and healthy.
Laughter good whiskey and song is the best medicine. If you have a
library, a garden, a good woman and a barrel of Scotch, you have all

you need. Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the way.
I am just a simple teacher. All that I now know, is that I now know


nothing. I am nothing but a good ball banger who teaches a good lesson

and puts on a good trick shot show, that is the only two things I do
well in life.


Aristotle said "Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the

whole aim and end of human existence." Die happy and you lived a good
life.


Fast Larry Guninger, real man, real pool player, real American, real
Christian." God bless the land of the free and of the brave.

Minnesota Fats: Larry's teacher said? "When I played pool I was like
a psychiatrist. I cured 'em of all their daydreams and delusions."
"You don't learn from smart people, you learn from idiots. Watch what
they do, and then don't do it." Learn to be a lock smith. If you
should be giving the 7 and the snap, don't play for money unless you
sell the pigeon he should give you the 7 and the snap. Then you never
lose. Never put heat on your self, pressure is self induced; only you

can put in on, only you can take it off. The toughest player mentally


wins when skills are equal. "Golf is 90% mental and 10% physical." --

Ben Hogan "I am the toughest golfer mentally." -- Tiger Woods


Paul Newman, in The Color of Money: "Money won is twice as sweet as
money earned." FL says always have something riding on every match, it
steels the nerves.
W. C. Fields: "Trust everyone-and always cut the cards." You can't
con an honest man. Never wise up a sucker or Give a sausage an even
break

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Nope...

this stuff DEFINITELY sucks, Bong Soon... you should stop posting this
garbage.

fast...@gmail.com

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Dec 12, 2006, 12:47:35 PM12/12/06
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No, I will not, and if you dont like it, Delta is ready when you are?

Just for you, I'll post one more. Read it and yo high run can move up
from 2 to 3.

fast...@gmail.com

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8 BALLS ON THE BREAK, THE WORLD RECORD.
PROPOSITION BANKS.
Trick shot: The impossible cut. 10-26-04 9 pages CR Fast Larry
Guninger Bpn, czm, upp, rsb, ppt, btt.

In 1961 I made 8 balls on the snap at 9 ball and set the world record.
The only two balls that did not fall were the cue ball and the 9 ball.
It was the worst roll of all time. This is the diagram of the shot and
how I missed it and how it should have been performed. This is
presented as a lesson to learn new shots and to know what to do and
what not to do if this ever comes up for you. This can also be a good
proposition bet to make and you can learn a new trick shot that has
real game applications. For how to open the Wei table diagram that is
at the bottom along with the rest of the story on the world record.
After the break and 8 balls fell this was the table lay out I faced.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

Long bank of the 9. I knew it could bank, I knew it could go, I also
knew my chances of making it were very bad due to the 4 l/2" very
tight pockets I was playing on. I just did not know how bad the odds
were on the shot at the time.

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Set up this shot, tell them the story of the 8 on the break and the
shot I was left, then bet them a beer they can't make the bank I
missed to sell out on. Give them 3 snaps, hell if they don't bite,
give them 5 snaps. This looks so easy, but it's a bear to make.
Most will take the bet and don't know it's a sucker shot.

I shot the cue ball with reverse English from A, 8' down table to the
9 ball frozen on the rail at B and tried to long back it back up table
into C and hung the 9. This looks like an easy bank but it is
extremely hard and there is a huge double kiss out there. It is very
hard to bank this shot into the corner pocket D, it tends to come in
one diamond short on you. There is an extremely thin area to hit on
the 9 where the shot goes and it double kisses out and misses, very
thin. I did not know this shot in 61 but today I would cut the 9 in D
which is a 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 shot for me now. The long bank is a one in
25 at best and on some tables if the rubber is not right it can barely
be made.

The shot is on and I have over banked it one full ball wide right long
missing the entire pocket so it goes, but the enemy is the distance of
the shot trying to hit this tiny point which is not forgiving and
knowing if you push it you kiss out. To make the shot you gamble to
beat the kiss. It's a gamble you lose on.

A shot that has half of a chance is to 3 rail it up into C, but the
odds on this on one snap are again poor. I would have to have 10 snaps
to bet on it.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

3 Rail bank of the 9.
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Here is the proper shot to make, it's called the Impossible shot, I
had it in the Tasa world championship in the mid 90's and it's in
the event still today. You aim at the right side of the 9 ball at B
trying to hit a l/3rd ball hit and cut, you hit left English which
squirts and deflects the cue ball out right of the aim line, then the
English takes about half way down and the shot curves back in. The
secret to the shot is to hit the rail first, then you kick into the 9
with the loaded English and the ball cuts into the left corner C
hugging the rail.

This is usually done with a jacked up cue using low left or high left,
1 tip out at 7:30 or 10:30, I shoot it with level cue 3 tips out at
9:00. When my eyes were good I used to bet you I could make it
shooting the cue ball not in front of the short rail at A, but from on
top of the rail. I got a lot of takers on that one. I asked for 10
snaps but would bet on as little as 5. Mike Sigel used to shoot this
same shot. This is a great bar box bet, but not a good on a 9'
table.

Once you master this standard impossible cut from the table bed you
should be able to make it most of the time in 3 snaps and in 5 most of
the time. If you talk some newbie into giving you 10 snaps you just
robbed him. Most will bet on the shot because they can not see any way
you can possibly make it. This shot was unknown in 1961 which was why
I did not pull the trigger on it. The shot did not emerge until the
70's when St Louie Louie began to shoot it in his shows and on later
video tapes for Meucci cues.

The Impossible cut, a trick shot.
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http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html


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This shot appears to be much harder but its not, it's the same shot,
you just hit it harder for the longer travel. No matter where this
thing is, hit that rail first just in front of that ball with a loaded
cue ball and it goes down.


http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html
An easy impossible cut.
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Once you learn the shot you will begin to use it a lot. Knowing you
can make it at the extreme angles posted above gives you great
confidence to twirl the OB in when you have a less than extreme angle
as this diagram show. I have faced this shot in some real critical
money and tin cup matches and pulled it off for victories at least a
dozen times and the house went wild when I made it. One note of
warning, the shot comes up a lot with you being doomed. If you make
the shot you buy into a dead scratch you cannot escape from so you need
to learn the angle out from this shot which is usually about 90 degrees
straight back up the table with the angle in. When the shot comes up
and the sell out is with it, play safe or 2 or 3 rail it, those are
your only options.

The impossible cut off of the rail, a show shot.
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My old show shot I used to shoot off of the rail, just to give you boys
a little challenge today.

The story of the 8 balls on the break. The year was 1961, Kansas City,
Missouri. I had grown up playing in the old big time rooms on 5x10's
with 4 l/2" pockets on 1912 Brunswick tables in Kling and Allen's
and when it closed I went over to Millers at 12th and Grand downtown.
The original Fast Eddy and I came up in the same room together. Bennie
Allen was my first teacher, Mosconi was house pro there for 4 years,
Minnesota Fats was there so often out of Chicago he began to call
himself Kansas City Fats. Omaha Fat was a regular coming down out of
Omaha for weeks at a time. In that era, the top joints in the country
were NYC, Philadelphia, Chicago and KCMO. The top sticks traveled that
big time pool room circuit.

I was right in the middle of all these legends. When the big time
downtown rooms closed as they were doing all over the country and the
game virtually died in 1957 I moved out to 46th and Troost to Pauls,
there were 3 places there, one block away was a bar with bar boxes and
nice evening action, across the street was a down stairs room that was
pretty dead, no action, but it had a one pocket table with only 2
pockets and billiard rails. I used to go in there to practice my
straight rail I worked every day in order to attack the 9 ball. I
would go down to 31st and Troost which was a block from where I was
born and grew up now and then for action but I played mostly in Pauls
at that time. He had a perfect 10' snooker table, very tight tables
in perfect shape and the gamblers played on it during lunch for high
stakes. Omaha Fat was a regular in those games. So was an ex Canadian
national snooker champion. Keith, Tony, Martin Kiaman was the main
sticks you came in there after.

There was a loose pocket snooker table not in good shape and about 6 or
7 tables, all 1920's Brunswick's in a straight line, the room was
very narrow and small. All the pool tables were full sized 4x8' and
all had tight pockets which were common for that era, 4 l/2" was the
standard. The room was filled with nothing but gamblers and they liked
the tight pockets as well.

Early that year playing 8 ball, I made 8 balls on the break, the year
was 1961. I would never do that ever again. I have made 7 five times
since on 9' tables, but never 8. I was breaking with a 20oz Willie
Hoppe Titelist cue with a Chandeviert Champion soft tip. A few months
later I would make 8 balls again but this time it would be at 9 ball.
As there was no internet, no magazines and little communications or
books on the game at that time, over a decade would pass before I would
realize I had set two world records. At the time I just thought it was
an amazing luck shot which is what they both were.

I broke the balls like Lassiter did in Johnston City in 61 and that
break has been out of style now for decades, very unreliable, but can
produce a lot of balls going in because it causes secondary collisions,
meaning the cue ball, breaks the ball twice, which is necessary for any
big break to occur. Something weird has to happen to alter their
normal paths and get them all running into each other. With the pros
breaking off of the long rail, 8 will never be made that way and my
record will be the only one in pool to stand for all time. Who could
possibly make 9? The best that can happen is somebody may someday make
8 and just tie me but it has been 43 years and that has not happened.
If any body does and it's not in a room full of people at a tourney,
then my position is prove it, if you cant, shut the F up on it.

All I did then was gamble on my game, that was all there was. The BCA
went out of business and tossed all of their files in the dumpster in
57, Mosconi retired, Greenleaf and Hoppe died around that time and the
game went out and flat died as a sport. The world championships and
the US OPEN stopped in 57 and did not resume until 66.
I did not go to the first Hustlers jamboree in Johnston City in 1961 &
only 12 showed up but Omaha Fat talked me into going in 62 and I went
there every year and played in the back room until the joint was busted
by the feds. Every year the top 100 pool hustlers showed and played
for a month until only one had most of the loot. When they busted out
they went home. That was the game I came up into, back room gambling,
no world championship, no tour, no tournament, just match up in a smoke
filled back room. The world championship was that of the hustler's
world. Jansco's ran it.

There was another hustler in Pauls who was a couple of years older than
me and a notch better. I played him a lot for money and always lost.
It was usually close but he would always pull it out or my inexperience
would do me in. He was very good, very hard to beat and did not choke
for money. I was practicing hard and was working with Minnesota Fats
and Omaha Fat and was working on what they were teaching me. My game
was really coming on hard. I figure at that time I might had been 10th
in skill in the city. This is not Hahira, but a major pool center,
Kcmo & I was on my way. In a few years my skill level rose to about
50th in the country, few could or did beat me back then. The ones who
could I knew who they were and never played them. I was taught to only
hunt weak prey and be a locksmith.

I began playing the Kid at lunch 9 ball on the pool table up front
which was the gambling best table. Very tight pockets, nice new cloth.
Paul was an expert table mechanic and kept his tables playing world
class. We played through dinner and well into the evening. He would be
up 3 games, I would bring it even and it sea sawed back and forth,
neither could take out the other guy. It was now 2am and Paul said I
am going home, you are the last two bums in da joint, wrap it up or
move it some other place. I said, race to 10, the kid said Ok. I
said, for all I have on me, he said, read my mind. He won the lag and
ran 3 racks in a row. I fought back but could not cut the gap. He had
me 9-7 and it looked like I was toast and he broke, came up dry and I
ran out, broke, ran out, 9-9, hill hill. Every dime I have is now
riding on this snap. I figure the only way I can win is bust them big
and run out because the kid is so hot and on he is not missing any
thing.

I break with all I have and griped it and ripped it. Balls are flying
around everywhere, its like the table sprung a leak, they are falling,
running into each other and bouncing in, when the smoke cleared 8 balls
fell and the only two balls that did not were the cue ball and the 9
ball. When I saw where they were I just stood there dumbstruck with my
jaw dropped like a deer staring into headlights. How could it be
possible the 9 did not go and how was it possible I could pull this
leave. The kid and Paul busted out laughing so hard I thought Paul
would buy the farm. He said I have been in a pool hall every day since
1890 and that is the dam nest most unbelievable thing I have ever saw
bar none. These two can't shut up and they are rattling me as I am
mentally now beginning to panic badly.

All I can see is a long bank and I know that shot sucks the big weenie.
In those days, you did not play safe that was just not kosher.
That could get your thumbs broke if you did. When you had a shot like
this, you were supposed to shoot it. So I did, tried the long bank and
hung the 9 in the tight pockets. The kid taps the 9 in, picks up the
bundle of cash and waltzes out the door laughing like hell. I wanted
to die, I wanted to harm my self, but I chilled, got in my blue 58
Chevy impala with the 409 and double 4 barrels and pealed rubber for a
half a block I was so upset. I went home and got very bad drunk. That
did not help.

The shot, the worst roll of all time.
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

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I went around for years telling this story. The story of the worst
roll of all time. The story did not get out of the Midwest. In that
era I traveled 3 states in a route every month, Mo, Ks, Nebraska ,Iowa
and that was my world then. Vegas, there was no strip and it was
nothing then. We went to Hot Springs, Arkansas and Johnston City,
Illinois for our action that was our Vegas then. I would do a trip now
and then to Vegas, or Chicago, NYC, Phil just to test my game a couple
of times a year. I changed my appearance constantly and never played
any one of note. I just played rich nobodies for money. Nobody knew
who I was and I kept it that way.

In 1973 my world expanded when I moved to Florida and now began doing a
monthly tour of the SE. I retired from gambling that year after 16
years of competition. I would become a casual player until 1993, when
I would get serious again and set my 3rd world record making a 10 rail
bank. A few years later I would begin traveling the entire USA, then
the Western Hemisphere, then the world.

As I got around during the early 70's I played in only C&W honky
tonks with bar boxes and avoided all pool halls and big time rooms. It
was easy picking taking out the drunks and cowboys; they had no clue
who they were playing. I was informed my 8 on the break had never been
done before and it was a world record, I was astonished to hear that.
I went back to KCMO to try and tie down the event with a signed letter
and when I got there Pauls was closed and he had has passed on. The
kid who was a real punk gambler and not a nice person dumped on some
really bad ass people and they shot his ass. The only two people who
saw it were now gone so all I had left was my word on it and being a
giant nobody that meant I did not have she-yit. When I explained that
the punks went oh how convenient that lie is.

When important people hear about something a nobody did which I was
then, or see a nobody do a cool trick shot, they just steal and take it
for their own and there is nothing you can do about it. I have said
before, it's a very long line of thieves here.

Yes you guessed it several over the last 4 decades some big shot pros
heard the story and stole it as their own as they were the one to do
it. One pro backed off on doing that any more when I offered to part
his hair over it with a house cue and was serious as a heart attack
about it. The other one, no names, not only stole my 8 on the break
story but also my teachers story as well when Omaha Fat went through
the floor on game ball and put both in his book. This guy is now in a
wheel chair and later became a friend of mine so no name but he was a
very famous 14.1 champion and did a famous beer shot commercial on TV.
This guy being a straight pool guy all his life had a break like Crane,
Neither one could bust a wet paper bag at 9 ball, give me a break here.
In 61 the beer guy was a kid in grade school and he did not even play
9 ball, he played straight pool. When the game changed to 9 ball he
did a video tape on how to play and on the tape he is showing you how
to break at 9 ball and 3 times in a row he breaks and does not make a
ball, I rest my case on this guy. I don't like his lite beer either,
I drink long neck buds.

Every time I publish this some punk comes along and goes oh I made 8,
sure you did punk. When I published this story on ccb and az a year
ago some punks put out a video showing them making all 9 on the break,
yes this was exposed as a computer hoax and not even a good one. There
will be another one and it will be better for sure. I have gone
through 4 decades of people stealing this from me or calling me a flat
our liar and a fraud. In 1993 I had enough of this crap and Issued a
challenge, Byrne can verify it went out to everyone. It was this; I own
the 8 balls on the break at 8 ball and 9 ball period. Nobody else has
ever done it. If you have, stand up now or forever hold your peace.
If you say you have, I will challenge you for all the money you can
raise that you cannot pass a lie detector test you did do this. I did
this, you did not.

For any one who thinks I lie about this, here is your chance to expose
me as a liar and get rich in the process. I will accept any challenge
to say I did not, you must put up 10 grand, I will fade that with 100
grand in escrow, if I pass a lie detector test I win your 10, if I fail
the FBI test, you win the 100K. Nobody has every stepped up to say
they did it or to challenge me that I did not. I put my money where my
mouth is and figured that would shut every one up over that. Sorry to
say it did not and punks on the internet still harass me on these two
world records I cannot prove because who in the hell was running around
with a camera in a pool hall in 61 that did not work for MGM. In the
joints I played in, bring out a camera and most put on sunglasses or
ran to the bathroom. All I can do is pass a lie detector test that
said I did and if you don't believe I can show up on my door step.

All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it
is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident. -
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788

I did do it, I do own these world records and bet a fortune once to
prove it. That is the real story, as it was, so help me God with my
hand now on our family bible. Let me sign my name to that. Fast Larry
Guninger.

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THE WEI POOL TABLE, HOW TO OPEN AND VIEW IT.

The following code below makes no sense and is a bunch of gobble gook
numbers and letters but they will open up the shot and display it for
you to view. If you do open the code you will see on of my favorite
show shots where I make 5 balls in one stroke a shot I invented. The
shot takes a lot of skill to pull off.
We need to do a little work to make this table viewing or drawing of
shots now happen. This may seem complicated but once you do this once,
the 2nd time is easy. Just left click on the corner at the bottom
right of the last word of the code words below and then pull the mouse
cursor up the left side to the top , blue it all in, then right click
and hit copy when the box drops. You do not do that on the code below,
this is an example of what it looks like. You blue in and copy the
code you see posted on the forum you are reading. You then have to
dump that code into the wei table you must now produce, read on.
ACTUNG, WHEN YOU COPY THE BELOW CODE, DO NOT COPY THE LAST LINE THAT
SAYS END, BEGIN YOUR COPY ON THE LINE ABOVE IT ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND
SIDE ON THE LETTERS AND CODES.

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To see the 5 in 3 Fast Eddy's Easy Action trick shot you must first
acquire and display the wei pool table.
Put your mouse cursor arrow over and on the underlined link on the next
line down for the table to appear.
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/8ball.html
Left click it twice fast. If the http above does not display an
underline it will not open and you will have to copy it and put it in
your internet explorer and hit enter for the table to appear.

If it is underlined and does not open, then hold down ctrl at the
bottom left of your key board and left click on your mouse and then it
will appear. Before you do that write down the instructions in the
paragraph below as they are going to vanish once you click the link on
the wei table? Print out a hard copy of this and tape it by your cpu
monitor.

When you see the pool table with 15 balls in a rack that is not the
shot. You now have the table up and you can remove the rack of balls
and view the shot the author is sending you. At the bottom right click
the green paste tab that is just below the red tab. You will get a box
that drops over the table, left click OK, once or twice if the box
comes back and the shot then appears. Left click the red X in the top
right corner to remove the box and see the shot if the box does not go
away on its own. See, it was not that hard and being able to see and
understand the shot is worth the work to reveal it.
Fast Loves ya, have fun with the shot.

If you want to draw and compose a shot to send to me you take your
mouse and put your cursor arrow over the ball and or balls you want to
place and drag and drop them where you want them. The un used balls
drag and drop in a pocket. Go to the cue ball and move the black dot
to show where the cue tip hits the ball.

There are several colored arrows below the bottom right of the table.
Grab the bottom of the arrow and place on the cue ball, now grab and
drop the top arrow on the object ball. Don't use the yellow ones
unless drawing a masse shot and you want to draw a curve. With a
little practice and skill you will be designing shots in no time.
You may need to download a plug in: Macromedia website
You can find the latest shockwave plug in from
www.macromedia.com
Downloading the table
For Mac users, you can find it at
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Holy crap, Bong Soon... that trash went on for days ... If anybody was
able to read your nonsense, then I;d worry about it - your plonked by
everybody - so you are wasting your time.

Have a crappy day

-YW-

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Why I read all of the great ones teachings and pontifications. Would
not go a day with out them.

Doc Holliday
I was the one on the last go around

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9 BALL THE DUMBEST GAME IN POOL?

5 pages Fast Larry Guninger CR, all rights reserved, rev 7-26-05,
Published in DC, Bpn, czm, upp, rsb, ppt, btt, ept, flp, btt.

If there is a more stupid game in pool then tell me what it is.
Why do you play this stupid game? Why are you playing 9 ball?
Answer, because it's the only game in town.

Out west during the cowboy gold rush days a famous gambler called Soupy
was interviewed in a newspaper article. They said we saw you playing
Faro last night and wondered why? You know the game is crooked and you
can't win at it, why would somebody like you who knows this continue
to play such a game. Soupy's answer was, because it's the only
game in town.

You are playing 9 ball for the same reason and until now probably never
questioned that the game you are playing is stupid. Don't get mad at
me, I am not calling you stupid. Don't shoot the messenger here as
well. I did not invent the stupid game nor was I one of the people in
the BCA and ESPN who pushed this game on you. Hey, I play the stupid
game also and I guess that makes me as stupid as you. Don't turn
this history lesson around to become a get FL bash. Try and learn
something new here today without getting your dress fluffed up over
your belly button.

When pool was invented and began play in the 1880's the main
championship game was rotation. You have to pot the 1 first and get
one point, then the 2 and now have 3 points. All 15 balls must be run
in numerical order. The first 5 balls are the hardest to make and
score the least producing 15 points. To win beginning on the one you
would have to make the first 11 balls leaving the last 4 on the table
scoring 66 points. It takes 61 points to win.

The last 5 are the easiest and score the most. A number of world
championships were lost by the player who was the best and who potted
2/3 rd's of the balls to the less skilled but smarter opponent who
only potted l/3rd of them. There is 120 points on the board and if you
pot the l5-14-13-12-11 you win with these 5 balls scoring 65 points.
Just toss out those 5 balls on the open table and any one in the room
can run those most of the time, no problem. Now rack up 15 balls and
break and see how many times you can run the first 5 in rotation, this
is extremely difficult, few can. There are too many balls blocking the
pockets, you can't get a shot.

This game is so tough to run out on, the high run on it is only 75
balls 5 racks which I set the world record on in 94, Efren Reyes high
run is 60, 4 racks. To break and run the table of all 15 balls is a
supreme accomplishment. My first 4 racks were all call shot, including
calling the one ball on the break in the side pocket 4 times in a row.
That is a record that will never be beaten. I then broke and made two
on the break but the one did not go in the side but by the rules you
don't have to call a break ball, same in 8 or 9 ball. I ran out the
5th rack and sat down and began to drink scotch savoring the moment and
just kept drinking and never got back up so the run was unfinished. It
was a social occasion and I had been drinking for hours before the high
run so I was already pretty loose and feeling no pain. Never at any
time during that run did I use more than a half tip of English. So I
hold two world records there.

The game of rotation is a very stupid and unfair game. The game hung
on in popularity as the most played pool game well into the early
60's because the practice then was to charge by the game. Many just
wanted to pass the time and hang out or practice. When I began play
during WWII in 1945 the Centennial balls had just been introduced for
Brunswick's 100th anniversary and a game of rotation was a nickel.
Later in the 50's it became a dime. They rack up 15 balls; you break
and then practice your hard cuts or banks, which gave you more time on
the table. You could play with a pal, miss a lot of shots on purpose
and play most of the afternoon. For people with very little money it
was the poor mans game.

When the table was clear you would say in a loud voice, rack please.
The rack boy would come over and pull the balls out of the bottom tray
of the gully table and give you a nice rack and you game him a dime.
The people with money were playing straight, balk line or 3-cushion.
You could milk more pool out of a dollar playing that way than going on
time and paying the 50 cents an hour they charged. Some places only
charged by the rack. Even early bar boxes only charged the coin op a
dime. In 1961 a dollar is six bucks today. Bar boxes did not become
in place and popular until the early 60's.

It would not be wise to play a short rack of just 9 balls and get fewer
bangs for your buck. 9 ball was invented in the 20's but did not get
popular until most of the rooms began to charge by the hour in the late
50's and not by the game.

When that change occurred, it did not make any more sense to play the
more difficult game of rotation 15 balls. It was more fun to play the
easier rotation game of 9 balls. 9 ball is rotation, a short rack
version of. Straight pool was the main game and that is what they
played to become the world champion. In 57 a number of tragic things
occurred all around this same time frame. All the top legends of the
game went away and with them, went the championship game. Hoppe and
Greenleaf died, Mosconi had a stroke and retired. Pool simply died as
a game and the BCA went out of business and took all of its years of
records and files and threw them into the dumpster and walked off. The
game I came up into was then nothing but back room hustling for money.


9 ball became the most popular game in the early 60's because it was
faster to play and win at. You could also disguise your skill better
making your wins look lucky. The Jansco brothers began the world
hustlers jamboree, an un official world championship in 1961 and to be
king of the hustlers you have to win 2 of the 3 games played, one
pocket, 9 ball and straight pool. That is was doomed straight.
The BCA did not come back until 66 when they did their first US Open
where Crane won in straight running 150 and out on the Meat man.
Serious world championships would not be played until the early 70's
when the Jansco hustlers events stopped.

The all night sessions we were playing back then on straight pool were
devasting the players. They were becoming drunks or strung out on
Speed and drugs to stay up all night to play. I did a few of those and
even as a teenager they damn near killed me. Playing 24 and then 30
hours straight as I did twice I found to be really dumb so I stopped
it. Why do that when you can knock some guy out in an hour playing 9
ball and then go dance with girls and drink in a bar. I always had a
life out of pool. The real hustlers never did.

9 ball is even a more stupid game than full rack rotation where you can
make 75% of the balls and lose. With 9 ball, you can make 90% of the
balls and lose because only one ball scores, the other 8 have no
meaning or score and just have to be made to get to the 9 ball. How
do you feel when you break and run 8 balls perfectly and dog the 9 and
lose, tell me that is fair? The other guy knocks in a duck hanger and
walks out the door of the joint with all your money. Who has not had
that happen to him let him cast the first stone here at me.

Realizing rotation was not a proper game to choose the world champion
from because it did not properly test true skill they invented a new
game in 1911 called 14.1 continuous pocket billiards and it went into
world championship play in 1912. Now every ball you potted scored a
point, who ever made the most balls won, problem solved. This became
the main game for the next 70 years. This was the championship game.
When two players wanted to match up and see who was best, that was the
game they played and sometimes they played all night long, i.e.,
Hustler movie, 1961. , history lesson of the game in the 50's,
Minnesota Fats and Fast Eddy Felson.

This was a true history of what the game was really like in the 50's
and into the 60's. It was very accurate because I was there doing
that very thing with the Fast Eddy who I came up with in the same pool
hall, Kling and Allens in KCMO, on of the top 5 legendary big time
rooms from the golden age of the game. My other teacher was none other
than the Minnesota Fats and Omaha Fats. I was there every year in
Johnston City with both of them.

When they wanted to hustle sausages and marks, they played 9 ball
because you could win money faster and make it look lucky by banging in
the 9 ball early and never running a rack or just cleaning up he last 3
balls. You could beat most people in most rooms and never run more
than 3 balls at a time and not reveal your true speed. You could not
do that in 14.1. You had to run to win. See again the Hustler movie
when Fast Eddy needed money fast he went out to play 9 ball.

It was ESPN who wanted 9 ball on TV and not 14.1 which they though was
too slow and it took to long to play a game, 150 points. The matches
they were showing they only showed half of them which was awful.
Varner would be on a run of 12, they leave for 5 minutes for
commercials and you come back and he's now on a run of 75, you never
saw the entire game. Mizerak got into the most boring straight pool
game of all time with endless safeties that went on for a half hour and
then nobody ran any balls. Everybody went to sleep and the network
went ape and said no more straight pool They thought the big break
and faster paced game was the way to go. When that move took place in
the mid 80's.
The game has slowly declined ever since. Now you have championships on
TV for a race to 5 in a game of 9 ball luck. They may as well now flip
a coin to see who wins.

I used to play good 9 ball, ran 9 straight racks once on a 9' table.
I won enough gambling on it to buy a block of downtown Vegas, no
matter; I pissed all of that away on old booze, crooked roulette
wheels, bad luck on crap tables and young fast loose women. I like the
game, still play it with my modified rules of Fast 9 ball.

There is a bigger world out there other than just 9 ball. I run into
so many young players who only play this one game and that is wrong.
Learn to be an all around player and spend time getting good at 8 ball,
straight pool, banks, and one pocket. In my day we also played the
difficult games well, Alabama 8 ball, rotation and cribbage.

Every main room had a snooker and 3-cushion table and we played these
games as well. All of that all around play built a better player than
a one dimension 9 ball banger.

The color of money, Fast Eddy said, "9 ball is for bangers, straight
pool that was the game, there you have to be like a surgeon, oh what
the hell, checkers out sells chess."

Come chat with me live at www.poolchat.net which used to be called
www.billiards-pool.net THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL "Fast Larry"
Guninger offers clinics and video taped lessons. Web site


www.fastlarrypool.com POOL LESSONS FROM A GRAND MASTER LEVEL
INSTRUCTOR, BILLIARDS EXPERT AND FORMER ARTISTIC WORLD CHAMPION.

770-381-6609. Larry plays on five pro pool tours. His tour 9 ball
cards are: the UPA, the men's main tour; the Florida 9 ball tour, SE


pro 9 ball tour, the Senior Tour and the APTSA (Artistic Pool and Trick
Shot Association.

Fax 770-381-1916 POOL QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND FREE INSTRUCTION IS ON
www.poolchat.net In the ask the pros forum."Fast Larry" Guninger


and Wonder Dog, trick shot shows and entertainment.

Email fast...@bellsouth.net fast larry at bell south dot net.


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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. " Latin for "I came, I saw, I
conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can
believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. "
Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy
then there is no way for you to lose.
Either lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the

three please. Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me


and become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.

Play be feel, not by systems, do not make a simple game complicated.


Go with what you know, go with what is natural.
"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words
of Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds
of people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those
who wonder what happened."

Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,
leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well with your boots on owing

no man nothing. May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead. In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't


take your self, or anything too serious, just be happy and healthy.
Laughter good whiskey and song is the best medicine. If you have a
library, a garden, a good woman and a barrel of Scotch, you have all
you need. Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the

way. Aristole said " Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of


life, the whole aim and end of human existence." Die happy and you

lived a good life. God bless American, the land of the free and of the
brave.

fast...@gmail.com

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9 BALL FAST 9 BALL FAST LARRY'S RULES
10-12-04 7 pages CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved.
Published in DC, Bpn, czm, upp, rsb, ppt, btt. Rev 11

The name of the new game is: FAST 9 BALL.

When I do shows and exhibitions at colleges one of the 3 things I
feature is a 9 ball tournament. I do a race to one. It is a lot of
fun and it is over fast. No waiting around until midnight to finish
up. Any one can win and the best player rarely does. It is a huge hit
and every one loves it. It sounds stupid I know until you do one then
you will see.

The way I like to play 9 ball.

LAG; You must lag for the opening break, no flipping coins.

RACKS; Winner racks his own. Eliminate slug racks. No alternating
break, running racks is what this game is all about.

BREAK; You must break hard, no soft breaks are allowed, 5 balls must
hit a rail or you lose the break. They are re racked by your opponent
who now gets to break. Soft breaks are for women and girlie boys.
Real men would rather wear a pink dress into the pool hall than break
soft.

SLOP; it's a game of luck so do not confuse what you are playing, I
like to ride the 9 a lot and slop is in my best interest. Play the
game like it used to be, fast and loose. If you like call shot play
14.1 straight pool. Every attempt to make 9 ball a fair game has
destroyed the game. 9 ball is not a fair game and never has been. You
cannot make 9 ball a fair test; this must be understood and accepted.
It was a fast gambling game that favored the bold aggressive player.

9 ball is a stupid game of short rack rotation where you can show you
have the superior skill by making 8 balls and lose. In a race to 7 you
could pot 56 balls, your opponent could pot 7 balls and defeat you 7-0,
how stupid is that? 9 ball should have never become the main game or
the test of a champion. Because the game is so dumb and full of luck
is why nobody dominates it today like others did 14.1 in the past.
It's a game for ball bangers and bozos.

It's a fun game and the best game to hustle sausages on because you
can have fast wins and make it look lucky. It is no test of total pool
skill. I think the world champion should have to win 2 of 3 legs of an
all around like they used to do in Johnston City, making the player
show skills in more than one type of game. My pick for those 3 would
be 8 ball, make the pros play the peoples game, 9 ball and 14.1
straight pool Win 2 of those 3 then you have performed a test of
skill. 9 ball today has become a race to 5 and a huge joke.

These sets of rules restore 9 ball to how it once was. You get a
reward if you run the first 5 balls which are the most difficult; the
last 4 are easier to run. You don't walk away from the table with
nothing. Make the 5 and you cut the guys win in half if he gets out on
you and pots the final 9. You have the opportunity when behind to
catch up fast if you attack the 9 early on and are successful at that.


Short race: I like 7 games to win the set if gambling. A long set of
11 bores me. You can keep playing sets of 7 all night long. You can
set the length of the race to be anything you want.
5 might be good for intermediate skill levels. 7 is what I like, 11 is
what a pro who has a lot of mental endurance and experience running
these long races would favor. These are good for pro events where the
longer the sets the more the rolls of luck even out.

Cue ball in hand on all fouls, it is never behind the line.

Touch a ball with your hands or your clothes while shooting and it's
a foul giving up CB in hand to opponent. No drunken league rules
please.

A push shot is a foul, gives up CB in hand.

On each shot either the CB or the OB must reach and touch a rail.
Failure of that is a foul and CB in hand. Any OB jumped off of the
table illegally is spotted up with CB in hand to the opponent.

JUMP CUES; No jump cues are allowed, you can only jump with the cue
you play with. A Masse cue or a break cue is allowed. Jump cues
today buy you the shot and take the skill of making it now away.

CONCESSIONS: You can not concede any shot. All balls must be ran and
potted. You can just rake the last 3 in and say you won, he must
finish the game. In this format making the final 9 ball does not mean
you won the game, it only means the game has finished. You can make
the final 9 and lose the game in points. If you rake the balls in
early and concede the game, the opponent gets the 2 points for the 9 he
did not pot plus 2 more penalty points off of your score.

No Safeties are allowed. You must make an honest attempt to pot every
ball. If you fake a pot and miss leaving a safety and that was deemed
to be a disguised safe you are on a foul and give up cue ball in hand
to the opponent and forfeit a penalty point. If enforcement of this is
a problem get a 3rd party person or ref to make the calls. If you like
safeties, go play the women on ESPN, in the old days if you played safe
you died or at least got both thumbs broke.

Safety play is for women and girlie boys, real men never used to play
safe at 9 ball. Safety play has destroyed the game of 9 ball. Safety
play wins most matches on TV by the women. My rules are for real men,
this is not a game for women nor will I play a game the women changed
the rules on to favor their lesser skills, weaker breaks, weaker minds
and in ability to run racks. There is no 3 consecutive foul and you
lose rule, this only encourages safety play. You don't see any racks
being ran on TV by the women, they break bad, have no shot, go into a
series of safeties, get a hook, get cue ball in hand and then run out.

That is their game I see, I don't know what you are looking at but
that is what they degraded 9 ball into, that and the soft break which
was the final straw for me.

They killed off the championship game of 14.1 for the big explosive
break for TV and what to they do on TV, begin breaking like 90 lb
weaklings. All the reasons they brought in 9 ball for are now gone. 9
ball sold is soul to the devils.

For 40 pieces of silver pool sold the game out and those devils buying
it were TV and ESPN who destroyed the test of skill with races to 5.
It is time to wake up to this and return to 14.1 and all around 3 game
forums of competitions. Pool is on its ass going now where but further
down each month, the men do not even have a real tour. When you are
totally down and out, what do you have to lose by making sweeping
changes I now ask?

Shot clock can be started if slow play is a problem. Any shot not off
in 60 seconds is a foul and CB in hand. A warning at 50 seconds must
be announced.

Opponent must leave the table at once after he misses and sit down in a
chair. If he chalks up after a miss he is deducted one penalty point.
He gets one warning on this and if he violates it again then he's
fined for each infraction that occurs. He can also be penalized one
point for putting a drink on the rail or smoking at the table during a
run, no warning for these infractions.

There is no need to chalk after a miss, you need to leave the table and
chalk up when you come to the table. Have a piece of chalk at your
chair and chalk up there. You want to see etiquette at the tables, put
it in the rules and fine the powder and chalk pigs when they trash the
tables.

Any sharking of an opponent if it continues and warnings are issued can
then be a one point penalty point for each infraction a ref or 3rd
party person can then issue. If he leaves his chair while the opponent
is shooting or talks to the opponent while he is on a run this can be
called as a shark foul. You can only talk to the opponent if you
question a hit or are calling in an observer or are calling a foul on
him. You may leave your chair for that. Any thing less than that
means you can not jabber at him to distract him. You can only talk to
him after his run has ended and he is leaving the table.

The use of hand powder is allowed but if any traces of it get on the
cloth the opponent can stop the shooter and insist he cleans the cloth
and removes the power before he shoots. Any time during a run, the
shooter can ask to have the cue ball marked and cleaned and re placed
back in its original spot. A marker wedge must be used to insure the
ball returns to its exact original spot.

You may place chalk on the rail after chalking up and while you are
shooting. It can be used as an aiming device as long as it's on the
wood of the rail and not left on the cloth of the rail.
Only one piece of chalk can be on the table at any time. If you put a
piece of chalk on the rail upside down this is a foul and you are fined
one penalty point after one warning. You may not use beige chalk on a
green or blue cloth; you may only use it on a beige cloth. Using it
after a warning is a penalty point for each use.

Gambling: you get one point for making the 5 and two points for making
the 9. You decide ahead of time what those points are worth; they
could be a buck a point or a fiver, a quarter or a dime. If the 5 is
made on the break that's a point. The 5 ball can also be made with a
combination at any time for a score. That ball stays down and does not
come back up. If you don't make the 5 on the break and run 1-2-3-4
and then pot the 5 you score one point and the 5 stays down and does
not come back up.

Let play a set. If you then break and run out and pot the 5 on the way
that is a point and the 9 that is two points and you made 3 points for
that game. The score is not 1-0 but 3-0 your favor.
In game two if the opponent makes the 5 and you the 9 you are up one
point for that next game. You scored 2 and him one. The score is not
2-0 but 5-1 your favor.
The 5 only spots if the opponent knocks it off the table or pots it
illegally. In game three the opponent makes the 5, then combo's in
the 9 three times, you spot it up and he runs making the 8 but dogs the
last 9 ball. You pot the 9, the score is not 3-0 your favor, it is now
7-8; you are now behind in points.

If you make the 9 on the break you spot the 9, make 2 points and
continue your run. You do not re rack and begin a new game.
You can combo in the 9 early in the game as many times as you wish to.
Every time you do the 9 spots back up and you continue to shoot scoring
2 points each time. You could make the 5, combo in the 9 ball 3 times
and it spots, then run out making the last 9 ball and have 9 points for
that game. There is no limit to the number of points you could make in
a game.

You could win all 7 games and lose the set if the opponent combos in a
9 ball early in each rack and makes the 5 every game. He would have 21
points and you 14. This encourages a wide open go for broke shoot at
anything type of game especially early on after the break.

CONCESSIONS: You can not concede any shot. All balls must be ran and
potted. You can just rake the last 3 in and say you won, he must
finish the game. In this format making the final 9 ball does not mean
you won the game, it only means the game has finished. You can make
the final 9 and lose the game in points.


SCORING: The games are marked but placing two dimes under the middle
of the short rail on diamond 7 and when you win your first game your
coin advances over one diamond and each win sends the dime up the long
rail. You opponents dime moves in the opposite direction, one right,
one left.
With the coins kept under the rails this does not bother most shooters.
If is does then mark the scores on a piece of paper. Winning the most
games in the set just means the set is over. The winner is determined
by the most points earned in that set. This can be done on paper, on a
chalk board, with wood beads over the table or get a roll of coins from
the desk and two plastic cups.

If you win 3 points in game one, put 3 coins in your cup, if your
opponent won a single point, one coin goes in his cup. When the set is
over count the coins in the cups to know the outcome. If you are
playing for a dollar a point, and you won 7 games to 4, that means
nothing. If you had 20 points and your opponent has 8, the final score
is you won by 12 and he owes you 12 bucks. You can play a point for a
penny or a thousand dollars it's your call. If you are using these
rules for non gambling purposes and for a tournament this is how you
would do it. The winner of each set would be the player with the most
points.

SUDDEN DEATH: If the two opponents finish the set and are tied in
points, they lag for the break and play one game sudden death. The
winner of that game who scores the highest points wins the set. If
that game ties, they continue another until a winner occurs.

THE PUSH OUT:
Opponent breaks, makes a ball and does not have a shot, too bad, break
them right next time. He must kick or jump to hit the one ball or give
up the cue ball. If he breaks them bad and does not leave him self a
shot he should pay a penalty for his own error. He gets no push out.
Opponent breaks, makes no ball and leaves you with no shot or hooked.
Why should you pay a penalty because he again broke them bad and just
got lucky? Therefore you get a push out. You can shoot the CB any
where you want, even hit an OB or pot an OB. No ball has to hit a
rail. The opponent has the option to take the shot or give the shot
back to you. You must call push before you lag.

After that I follow the general rules of pool via the BCA book.

People say to me that's not the way we play 9 ball. I go so what, I
can show you 9 rules books and they have 9 different ways of playing,
they are constantly changing. Every pool hall or bar has some
different way of playing 9 ball. As there is not one rule book that
governs the game, I can write my own rule book on how to play just the
same as any one else can. Why don't I have that right since there
is not one rule book the game is now played by like in Golf?

The BCA has their head up their kazoo when it comes to rules, they get
a bunch of PhD's on a committee and none of them can run 3 friggen
balls and that's who writes their rule book. Most of these guys are
not even pool players but billiard players. Their rules are crap like
you make the 8 ball on the break at 8 ball and don't win, nobody
plays that? So they write their rule books and the majority of the
pool world ignores them and writes their own rule books.
They do that by making up real rules they like and instead just play
the way they want to. The BCA has two pages into their 9 ball rules, I
just wrote 5 pages. When it comes to 9 ball rules, the BCA is
clueless, trust me on this.

This is where Texas Express came from, the PBT rules, and the 3 major
leagues all have a separate set of rule books.

Now the men and Lady pro's all use different rules. Then there is TV
rules they keep changing around constantly. Until we can get one
single organization that can run and govern the sport and write one
rule book every one will endorse and play under, I insist, pool does
not have a rule book. Until then:
So here is my rule book Fast Larry 9 ball. Add one more to the list.
I say lets turn 9 ball back into a real ball banging game.

You come up and want to play me 9 ball, I whip my rule book on you and
say, show me your rule book, Oh, since you don't have one let's
play by mine, here is my rule book. If he balks I then go this is my
game, my table, you want to play me, these are the rules you play by,
and yes I have an attitude. You don't like those rules, take a hike
and find another game.

This game of mine favors the experienced player or the hustler who has
more moves than just a hot shot potter of the ball. None of the pros
will go after combinations or attacks on the 9 ball now because in an
open table the reward is there for not the quick kill but the longer
and surer run out. In this format attacking the 9 ball for quick kills
has a definite pay off.

Play by this new set of rules and you will see this is now a totally
different game than what you are playing now. It is the way to gamble
at 9 ball. Some will like it, most will not as they are stuck in the
ruts and habits of life, different strokes for different folks, variety
is the spice of life and today, walk on the wild side, do and try
something different. C'est la vie. All I ever said I was, is that I
am the worlds greatest ball banger, I guess I proved it with this one
didn't I?

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us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

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FOCUS

2 Pages, 8-30-99, rev I, 1-30-05, CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights
reserved. Published in DC, bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, btt.

People in the past have ran Marathons where they had it won with a big
lead and then gave up and collapsed because they did not know where the
finish line was. Many were within blocks of the line and fell down and
gave up. The point is you must see the finish line. When you do you
get a 2nd wind. You bite down hard on the bit and you explode to break
the tape and run for the roses. When you set your goals they can not
be too high where the finish lines cannot be seen or are out of reach.
One simple goal after another one is what you want with each one
climbing up the stairs of success. You must focus on each one until it
is accomplished or that thing mastered. The greatest two things a
champion pool player has are focus and extreme concentration.

You establish a clear view of the table and the entire run out just
lays out for you. You concentrate on each shot, one at a time. If you
do not keep this focus on just one shot at a time you can overload your
senses with too much input which can be fatal. You must stay calm and
keep your emotions on an even keel. Get too excited and allow your
emotions to run wild and your brain has a fail safe mechanism to keep
you from frying circuits or wires. It just shuts your ass down. Turns
you off when you go into sensory overload. You just stand there and
stare and are frozen like a statue because you do not have a clue what
to do because you do not realize all input has been turned off.
Nothing is coming in and all lines are not cut. Focus is on the task
at hand and all this other extraneous stuff going on around you is now
blocked out and ignored. Tight focus on just the shot. See the shot.
Be one with the shot. See nothing else, hear nothing else.

Any good coach is always telling you to focus when you begin to play
bad and flake mentally out. Play with a totally empty brain and shut
off your monkey brain that chatters to you. Until you can do that
focus is impossible.

Every time you go to a pool table feel like you enter a battle field
and you must as a warrior fight a good fight and vanquish the enemy.
You must have total focus on just that. All outside distractions must
be silenced and you must slip into the zone for pure focus to take
place.

Just see the shot and develop snake eyes where your vision tightens and
your vision narrows just before you shoot.

Come chat with me live at www.billiards-pool.net


THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL "Fast Larry" Guninger

web site www.fastlarrypool.com


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FORMER ARTISTIC WORLD CHAMPION. 770-381-6609, fax 770-381-1916
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"Fast Larry" Guninger and Wonder Dog, trick shot shows and
entertainment.

Email fast...@bellsouth.net fast larry at bell south dot net

May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus Maximus. " Latin for
"I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did
do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don't believe it,
C'est La Vie. " Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run

out on the other guy then there is no way for you to lose. "Winners

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CONCENTRATION

3 Pages 6-30-03, rev 3-22-05,CR, Fast Larry Guninger all righrts


reserved. Published in DC, bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, btt.

Originally posted on the net.
Hi fast Larry. I am thrilled with my playing in general. I play close
to pro level, especially in 8-ball where I believe I could beat any pro
on earth, here's my question, lately when I'm on the 8-ball if I'm
not straight in and perfectly easily close, I usually miss, cause I
believe I'm upset with myself in conjunction with left brain
thinking, help me how can I say, so what? So I'm not perfect, and
continue on? Thanks.

Yes I fully understand, the Chinese call the left brain, monkey brain,
it just has to be silenced. It jabbers at your like a monkey. All
voices must be silenced. You must play with a total empty brain with no
thought just by feel. Just order it to shut up and leave you alone.
You all know I have been writing a book and it's only one third
finished. I hope to have it out by mid summer and when it is, it will
be ground breaking. It will change how all of you think and play to
win. It is on this subject. All of your questions will be solved.

When you miss an easy shot, you have lost focus and concentration. In
the future I will teach you how to go in and out of the deep zone at
will and missing in the zone is then not possible. I asked Mike Sigel
to tell me in one sentence or paragraph what set him apart from the
others, what allowed him to win 100 events and end up ranked in the top
5 of all time. He said I can answer that in one word for you.
CONCENTRATION.

Willie Hoppe the greatest cueist of all time in his 1925 book listed 30
lessons, lesson one was: CONCENTRATION. That is why at the higher
levels of this game it becomes all mental and pool becomes like chess.
It is mental Chess, planning many moves far ahead and holding tight
focus on each move at hand.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chess master Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower (1887-1956)

Pool is chess on wheels, pool at the highest level and every one who's
played there totally agrees it is 90% mental once the basics and the
stroke are grooved. Pool to me is nothing but chess which is why I play
Cribbage and Rotation all of the time and try to avoid 9 ball. The only
sport that requires more thinking, focus, advanced planning and
concentration is chess, nothing else comes close to pool. Golf does not
even come close, tennis does. Become a student of the game and seek
pool excellence.

You must first develop physical endurance so your body does not tire.
This you can do in a gym. When I get ready for a tour or event I play
8 hrs a day to be sure my body is strong and will not tire and drag my
mind down with it.

I then practice seeing how long I can play holding pure concentration
and if possible in the zone. On each session I try to extend this.
Normally this is two hours for me and my maximum is 2 l/2 hrs. When my
mind begins to wander and I lose my focus I stop and take a break.

Come chat with me live at www.poolchat.net which used to be called

www.billiards-pool.net THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL "Fast Larry"

Guninger offers clinics and video taped lessons. Web site


www.fastlarrypool.com
POOL LESSONS FROM A GRAND MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR, BILLIARDS EXPERT AND

FORMER ARTISTIC WORLD CHAMPION. 770-381-6609.
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"Fast Larry" Guninger and Wonder Dog, trick shot shows and
entertainment.

Email fast...@bellsouth.net fast larry at bell south dot net.
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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. " Latin for "I came, I saw, I


conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can
believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. "
Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy
then there is no way for you to lose.

Either lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the
three please. Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me
and become a student of it. Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what
I teach you and you will soar like the Eagle into levels of excellence
you never dreamed possible.

"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words
of Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds
of people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those
who wonder what happened."
Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,
leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well with your boots on owing
no man nothing. May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead. In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't

take your self, or anything else, too serious, just be happy and
healthy. Laughter good whiskey and song is the best medicine. Be sure
to take the time, to smell the flowers along the way. "FL"

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ZONE WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF IT?
ANNOUNCEMENT, THE SECRET OF IT HAS BEEN FOUND. 4 Pages 11-1-04 CR,
Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved. Bpn, czm, upp, rsb.

Let's us first go to basketball and quote what Bill Russell wrote in
a magazine in 1991.
"Playing in the zone is a moment when everything goes so perfectly that
you slip into a gear that you didn't even know was there."

Every world class athlete in every sport has been in the zone and
performed his greatest victories there. They all describe it
differently but use many common terms which proves they were all there.
You play UN conscious. You are in dead stroke, dead punch, you cannot
miss, every thing is so easy, your fast and loose, on a roll, in the
groove, in the flow, you can do no wrong, you never want to leave this
place of wonder and bang, you are out and no longer a God of pool, but
again a mere mortal who misses. You go what in the F*** was that s***
you exclaim. I want more of that. Yes if you could bottle it you
would become richer than Gates. People would pay a fortune to be able
to open up the doors to this.

Every thing falls into place and you have the game of your life. In
that same 1991 article baseball player Gary Carter said I think I could
come to home plate, stand on my head and still get a hit when I am
feeling like I am dead in the zone. You are totally focused, totally
relaxed, your mind is so clear, every thing slows down to slow motion
and you are on the roll of your life. Bang you are out. Why?
You want back in, and you can't. Did you ever see the movie with
Christopher Reeves Somewhere in time, where he goes to this wonderful
place in 1912, then is pulled out and cannot get back in? That is the
zone and that is what drives every one nuts. Some only go there once
in a life time, others now and then. This trip is so UN believable
some question it is for real and possible.

It gets real quiet and you descend into it. You become in a state of
calm and grace. All noise goes away, people around you are no more.
If you have ever been there once, oh yes you do know when you return.

So far it's been like telling you about the Emerald city where
Dorothy once went to and came back telling us about all the wonderful
things that are there. What good does that do you if nobody sells
tickets to there.

Nobody has been able to figure it out, nobody. Until now. I know. I
have known this great secret since 1993 and shared it with no body, not
my wife, not even with Wonder Dog. This is how I broke and set 20
world records. My research into this began in 1965 and I have been in
deep study of this for 40 years. I have finally figured it out. I can
go in and out of the zone at will. You can pull me out by yelling at
me. I can close my eyes and go back in. I can teach you how to as
well.
There are 5 levels of this. I can and do go into level 4 a lot. Level
5 I cannot achieve and do not want to go there. Most know only
experience level 1 at best.

As I am now at the end of my career and not setting any more world
records, I am now ready to give up what I know so I don't take it
with me and then tell it to the lid of my coffin. Private lessons on
this are now available to very few select students who have no interest
in reselling or stealing the secrets to it. You must be an APA 7 or
semi or full pro players to be considered. A full book and DVD on all
of this is now in the works. When that occurs and publishes then
private lesson will commence with the general public.

The first recorded proof of a player winning in the zone occurred in
1908. Willie Hoppe used the zone to win the world championship and a
million dollars. The next recorded zone win was in 1912 when Jim
Thorpe used it to win both the Pentathlon and Decathlon in the Olympics
and be proclaimed by the King of Sweden as the greatest athlete in the
world. Thorpe in 1952 would be voted by the sportswriters as the
greatest athlete of the first half of the 20th century. That is what
the zone delivers, total greatness.

Here is Willie Hoppe's story in his own words:

When they resumed Hoppe came alive and ran a 51 and now for the first
time in the match was ahead by 10 points. The score is now Hoppe 281
and Vignaux 279. It is at this crunch point in the match, one will
step up and take it, win it, and one will allow it to just slip away.
Hoppe obviously falls now deep into the zone. If I have ever heard a
true definition of what it is like, Hoppe gives it. Everything in this
story was taken from Hoppe's own account as he wrote it in his book,
Thirty years of Billiards published in 1925. Let us now have Hoppe
give you the rest of the story as it appeared on page 95, "quote
Hoppe, I add nine more to my string, and after Vignaux has collected 7,
I go to the table and gather 34, turning the third century with a fair
margin. Nine more for Vinguax then a miss. The balls are nicely
placed. I play slowly at first, and then as they respond perfectly to
the touch, I let my self out a little. I forget about the telegraph I
once could hear in the background sending every detail direct to the
New York newspapers. Its constant pounding sounds can no longer be
heard. I forget the crowded boxes and their tiers of seats rising
around the ballroom.

These rows of faces are faint and blurred and far away like strange
fish seen through the greenish waters of an aquarium. In the stillness
I am lost, sunk, abandoned at the bottom of the sea with this abstract
problem in shifting ivory. The voice of the Comte de Dree, counting
the points.... the click and whirr of the balls. ...Except for these,
all the noises of Paris are hushed and no noise is now coming in the
windows as it was before. All of the noises of Paris are hushed and
the world has paused on its axis...
Ninety-three. I go to my seat, drowned in a flood of applause for the
highest run of the evening. Vignaux is old and reaching the end of his
great career.
He is cold and stiff from sitting so long in his chair. He rises,
chalks his cue with grim determination. An old Lion still-at bay. He
settles down to the table...makes a long carom...misses. A tired old
man who feels his mantle slipping from his shoulders.
Score: Hoppe 417; Vinguax 295.
After a short run of 8, collected in the open table, I miss. Vignaux
steps again to the table. Every eye is upon him; for it is plain he is
summoning all of his old genius and strategy. While the crowd watches,
breathless, he puts together a run of 27 caroms. His last stand.

Again the balls respond to my touch. I push resolutely ahead. 57 with
26 more to go. The balls line up in the middle of the table. They are
too wide for a masse. A kiss is out of the question. This is the
billiards player's worst set up and nightmare, no reasonable shot.
Without a pause to study the angle I swing my cue boldly into the ball.
It flies around the table 4 rails and completes the count. There is
no stopping me now. I have the bit between my teeth. Suddenly above
the monotonous drone of the referee's voice counting the points I
hear a new note:
"...et pour trios!"
I am very tired. My cue is strangely heavy. It swings mechanically
and the ball counts.
"....et pour deux!" Another carom successfully completed.
"...et pour un!" A single, solitary carom stands between me and
the billiard championship of the world. It has cost me a boy's
inheritance.
"......et gagner!" I have made it.
I am drowned in a roar of triumph! I am caught up violently by
enthusiastic Americans and swept around the table on their shoulders.
Hats are tossed into the air and trampled under foot. Strange faces
swirl around me. My father's voice, thick with wine and emotion:
Willie...Willie!
My back is thumped and my hand squeezed and my tired right arm wrung
like a pump handle.
Somebody starts to sing, it is Eddie Foy. Everyone stands still,
everything stops in place. Eddie Foy is singing the Star Spangled
Banner; every American in the room is singing it with him with tears in
their eyes. I am thinking. "So this is what is means to be a
champion.
Over the tossing heads of the throng I catch a glimpse of Vignaux.
He is sitting in his chair, a tired old man; the fingers that failed
him, mechanically rolling a cigarette...500 to 322, it is finally over.

Vinguax during his 30 year rein of billiard supremacy had lived in the
grand style, mingled with a rich and famous sporting crowd, owned a
string of race horses and had made over a million francs. Now all of
that was coming to Hoppe. He walked out of the door with $5000 in his
pocket, in today's money that would be around $l25,000. Remember,
there were no taxes in those days so you kept every penny you made.
There were strong rumors that his backers had made fabulous fortunes in
the 5 to 1 odds given to them and that Hoppe had been given rewards or
commissions from them that sent him home almost a Millionaire in
today's money.
Ending the story early, the full article is on www.billiards-pool.net
If any one has any interest in having a part or interest in seeing this
book being produced they should drop a dime and call me at
770-381-6609. This will of course work in any and all sports and cross
sell into all fields.

Extensive discussion has been going on for over 6 months at
www.billiards-pool.net on the main form and on the ask fast Larry forum
as well. The back pages and archives are available if any one wants to
go back and read the Q&A's that have been quite stimulating.

Yes I have it, yes I fully understand it. Yes I am serious as a heart
attack here. Pray I don't have one soon. The fact that I have
announced this will bring on a nasty attack and degrading of me by the
people who want to shut my voice off. This message will come out. I
will share the secret of the zone with your all soon. That will be my
gift to all pool players and shall be my final legacy.

THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL WWW.FASTLARRYPOOL.COM

POOL LESSONS FROM A MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR AND WORLD CHAMPION.
770-381-6609

POOL QUESTIONS AND FREE INSTRUCTION IS ON
WWW.BILLIARDS-POOL.NET in the ask the pros forum.


"Fast Larry" Guninger and Wonder Dog, trick shot shows and
entertainment.

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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus Maximus. " Latin for

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HOPPE The story of Willie Hoppe

1-03-99, Rev I, 2-10-05, published in upp, bpn, rsb, czm, ppt, flp,
btt, CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved. 9 pages.


I saw him play when I was a boy. Even at the end of his career and
life, his stroke and skills were beyond compare. He was the best I
ever saw, the best there ever was, the best there ever could be. I
began play like him as a straight rail billiard player. My bible was
his book written in 1941 billiards as it should be played. His book 30
years of billiards written in 1925 was always by my bed. I copied
everything he did including his tea cup hold on the cue with just the
thumb and index finger. I played with his Willie Hoppe billiard cue.
I read his 30 years in billiards a zillion times and memorized all of
its lessons. I acquired the A.D. Moore physics study and thesis on how
his stroke works. I have many films of him playing prior to WW11. I
have studied his game as well as any man alive today.
He dominated the game for 4 decades, won over 51 world titles in 6
decades. He was the greatest cueist of all time and the greatest star
the game has ever known. Allow me to introduce to you my childhood
hero.


He was a billiards player. He began play as a baby. His father in the
1890's was a Barber cutting heads in a small shop. His mother worked
in the lunchroom in a small hotel 55 miles north of NYC. They lived in
the basement room of the hotel. They were German immigrants. He was
born on October 11, 1887. When his eyes first opened, the first thing
he saw was the Billiard table and the first thing he heard was the
clicking of the ivories. At the age of five he was playing standing on
a chair. His grandfather Hoffman made a little bench for him to stand
on. He would drag the bench from shot to shot. Sometimes he would
just climb up on the table and lay out on it to reach a shot. Boston
Shorty in the 60's would do the same thing and he would not play you
if you did not permit that.

He was always very short, and learning to play so young, he developed a
peculiar sidesaddle stroke. He always felt that is what set him apart,
his two fingered hold had a natural twist in it he just played that
resulted in a greater degree of English being imparted from that twist,
from the grip and from the side saddle. He also felt that method give
him a softer touch and finer more delicate stroke that the pendulum
players could achieve. Jake Schaefer Jr and Ralph Greenleaf later had
the same success with the same methods.
The table he grew up on was a pool table. When the men came in waiting
to get their hair cut they could rent the table to play on. Many liked
to play with the "Boy Wonder". By the time he was eight, he had
conquered all of the champions of Newburgh and Poughkeepsie. Soon the
word went out, there were two kids, bothers over at the barbershop who
played a great game of pool and would take on all comers. They were
only 7 and 9 years old. His older brother Frank soon did not display
the talent he was now showing. At 7 years old Willie was playing for
money, a dime a game, which in today's money might be about $3.00.

His father soon realized the youngster was beating everyone and making
more than he was. He printed up handbills and a picture of his two
sons who were then 7 & 9, and fared forth to astonish the world. He
put the two kids out on the road supporting the entire family playing
pool for money and doing shows. Soon the youngest child was the
family's total support. The handbill said:

HOPPE BROTHERS
THE BOY BILLIARDISTS

Willie Hoppes first exhibition at 7 years old was for Ten dollars, a
lot of money back then, about $250 in today's money. Willie had
very strict practice sessions where every thing he did had to be
performed perfectly. If he failed to practice perfectly, he was boxed
on the ears. Their first tour was in 1895 and when they came home they
just made expenses and broke even. His father now was ready to take on
the great cities, so they worked down the river into NYC and was booked
into the top hall in the country, Maurice Daly's room, and the former
world champion. Pool was in its infancy at that time. Billiards was
the main game. Daly took young Willie in hand and switched him over to
billiards and began teaching him.

Willie never potted another ball again. When Willie did a show and
came home with a purse of $50 his mother now went with the program.
Such money could not be had working at a lunch counter. In 1896 the
child ran 310 at straight rail and 36 at cushion caroms. When he did
that, his father closed the Barbershop and put Willie out on the road
full time. They toured the country and they met the Young Napoleon in
Chicago, Frank Ives, the greatest athlete of his time and the current
world champion. Maurice Daly told Hoppe that Ives possessed the
greatest pair of eyes anyone had ever ran across. When Hoppe met him,
Ives gave him lessons on how to play the game correctly and how to make
high runs. Ives was taking out everyone, Jake Schaefer, John Roberts,
he was UN beatable. Ives said to be a great champion you had to have
two things, great vision, and great concentration.

He thought he was superman and could drink 3 times more whiskey than
any other man and retain his steady nerve and his health. It shocked
the world when he drank himself to death at 33 at the top of his game.
The greatest pocket billiard player of all time Ralph Greenleaf would
do the same thing 40 years later.
Hoppe's father was a determined young Willie would not be destroyed
by the devils brew. He was put on a strict and Spartan diet, he was
not allowed to smoke, and he never touched a drop of liquor in his
life. He was now a pure and perfect athlete.

His brother frank gave up the tour in 1900; he was only playing pool
and did not have the talent to beat the top players. Brunswick gave
Willie a new 5x10 table to practice on and Daly continued to teach
Willie. 14.2 & 18.1 balk line was the game of the time. Young Hoppe
was now playing and observing closely all of the greats of his time,
Daly, Ives, Schaefer, Morningstar, Slosson and all of the masters from
Europe. He studied what they did and sucked it all up like a sponge.

Schaefer booked Hoppe into Paris, $300 a month and all expenses. All
he had to do was play the best in Paris for money a couple of times a
day. The attraction was to see the best play and to gamble on the
outcome. It was 1902; Willie was now a serious money player taking on
the best in the world. The center of Billiards and the site of the
world championship was Paris; Willie was now playing and competiting
with the best in the world, Schaefer and Vignaux. Rich Americans would
come in on vacation or on business. They would visit the club for a
glass of red wine and to see a match. Every time Willie would come up,
if Charles Schwab the big steel magnate were in town, he would put $500
on Willie to win. The site, how it was layed out and what went on,
would be repeated almost exactly 60 years later in a little town called
Johnston City, Illinois.

A single table in an amphitheater, with the best playing, with serious
money being bet by the railbirds and backers. When you were playing in
Paris at the Olympia, you were in Yankee stadium, the big leagues of
billiards. The Frank Sinatra of his day was Eddie Foy, the toast of
Broadway. He loved to go to Paris and bet Hugh sums on Frank Ives when
he played Vignaux because the Frenchmen gave good odds. These matches
took on a USA Vs France patriotic theme. With Ives now dead, it opened
the door for Hoppe to walk in. If Ives had not died so young, Hoppe
would have been half of the star and legend he later became. Soon Foy
began to bet big on Hoppe and win. Hoppe had two international very
rich and very famous American superstars backing him when he played.
Any American in the place almost felt honor bound to back the hometown
boy as well. When Hoppe won them money, it was the custom to give him
a piece of the action, a commission, so there was a large financial
reason for him to play hard and to win. The money and the gambling
were getting out of hand. The fear was the gambling and drinking was a
menace to the young manhood of France, so laws were passed to take it
down.

Hoppe was just 15 and playing with Vignaux in a money match when Le
commissionaire of police came in with an order for Hoppe saying he
shall not play billiards any more in Paris. They were shutting the
action down. 70 years later, Minnesota Fats would yell out, the Bulls
and da Feds are comin in da front door, everyone hide your carbuncles
in your sock and dump your rods behind the bleachers. They found over
50 pistols there mine included. The hustler's jamboree would be
busted in Johnston City, just like the Olympia was.

Hoppe losing all of his side bet income took a boat home. Schaefer was
kicked out of Paris, as were all of the Americans. With their cash cow
gone, they all returned to America and began charging much higher show
fees than before. Schaefer could not afford to book these stars to
travel with him and play him matches, they now wanted too much. Once
more, a twist of fate opens the door for Hoppe. He went out for the
old rates, and was now playing daily with the greatest living master of
the game, the ultimate billiards genius. Others were mechanical,
intellectual or thinking players. Jake Schaefer was just the opposite;
he was the ultimate feel player. He played with his subconscious mind
and taught Hoppe to do the same. San Lee would play this way 90 years
later. This is the turning point in Hoppe's career, for at this
point, he is taught what Zen is and how to play in the Zone. The
Greatest player of the 1800s turns over his secrets on Zen and the Zone
to Hoppe who will go on to become the dominate player for the entire
first half of the next century. The point is Zen and the zone, has
created all of the greatest champions from the past.

It should be pointed out that the story of Willie Hoppe and how he came
up, how he did it, is a very close copy of Willie Mosconi, who would be
his parallel star in pool, becoming also the greatest pool player of
all time. It is no accident, the two greatest stars of the century,
were developed exactly the same way. Schaefer was a very quick player,
quick to size up a situation, quick to shoot. Once he got on a roll he
would just let it roll and he knew instinctively what to do. He was
playing with no thought. It was said when Schaefer hit the ball is
like a caress. The same things were said about Greenleaf and Mosconi.


In time the storm about gambling in Paris cools down, the officials are
greased and its business as usual. They bring Hoppe back over for
twice what he had been paid before and he brought over his father this
time with him. He was guaranteed a 6 months contract, as was Schaefer.
Hoppe learned red ball and 3-cushion.
When Hoppe was 17 his father tried to book him into a match with
Slosson in the USA who was the current champion but he refused to play
a kid. Hoppe toured the US with Schaefer in 1905 playing against him
every day. Slosson turned down another challenge the next season.
Slosson lost to Sutton who lost to Vinguax and Hoppe was off to Paris
to pursue him. What was to become the match of the century was now
agreed to. It was planned to be just a walk in the park and another
pay day for Vignaux taking out some runt kid who is figured to choke
and fold under the pressure. January 15, 1906, Vignaux vs. Hoppe, 500
points for the world's championship, a purse, very large prize money,
a diamond trophy in the Grand ball room of the Grand Hotel of Paris.

Willies father let him sleep late on the day of the match then would
not let him touch his cue all day long. He walked him down the Champs
Elysees saying fresh air and exercise, a clear head and keen eyes are
needed for the match. His father kept talking so Willie could not
brood on the match coming up. Willie was given his only meal of the
day at mid afternoon, which was mutton broth and crackers. His dad
said Billiard players like athletes in every other sport eat sparingly
before competition saying you can't play best while digesting. Lee
Trevino 70 years later said a hungry dog hunts best. Willie got his
final instructions then went for a nap. After a 2 hr sleep he was
awakened and dressed. He was allowed only 20 minutes to limber up his
stroke on a practice table.

The room was full of famous Americans who came over for the
championship. The leader of the pack was Eddie Foy decked out in full
soup and fish; a formal tuxedo with tails. The Comte de Dree, the
referee makes a speech in French, then points to Hoppe who stands to
light polite applause. He points to the Lion, Vignaux and everyone is
on their feet in a roar. None of the Frenchmen think an 18 yr old kid
in his first world championship has a chance to beat the 30 yr veteran,
current world champion and national hero. The entire city is betting
on him. Every American in the room is betting on Hoppe. Hugh sums are
wagered.
Fortunes are soon to be lost or won over the outcome.

The match began with the Americans getting 4 to 1 odds. Schawab and
Foy bet the ranch. At the first intermission Vignaux was in firm
control and took the lead 266 to 228. The odds went from 4 to 1 now to
5 to 1. The American high rollers bet thousands of francs on the new
odds, but were deeply worried and looking very glum. The worldly
Frenchmen think they have a bunch of suckers and rubes on their hands
betting fortunes on an untried untested kid who has never been a real
big time winner and champion. They saw no way he could win.

Banner; ever American in the room is singing it with him with tears in
their eyes. I am thinking. "So this is what it means to be a


champion.
Over the tossing heads of the throng I catch a glimpse of Vignaux.
He is sitting in his chair, a tired old man; the fingers that failed
him, mechanically rolling a cigarette...500 to 322, it is finally over.

Vinguax during his 30 year rein of billiard supremacy had lived in the
grand style, mingled with a rich and famous sporting crowd, owned a
string of race horses and had made over a million francs. Now all of
that was coming to Hoppe. He walked out of the door with $5000 in his
pocket, in today's money that would be around $l25,000. Remember,
there were no taxes in those days so you kept every penny you made.
There were strong rumors that his backers had made fabulous fortunes in
the 5 to 1 odds given to them and that Hoppe had been given rewards or
commissions from them that sent him home almost a Millionaire in
today's money.

Hoppe's average in the last half of the match was 40 points per
inning.
We now know Hoppes great victory was from his teachings in Zen from
Schaefer and this is the first account ever of any athlete in any
sport, playing and winning something really big while obviously deep
into the zone.
This was probably the greatest match every played, the most famous. It
moved Billiards back to America and to NYC where the center of that
world remains today. No player every walked away with more money than
Hoppe did. No match was every played where more money was wagered and
changed hands. It launched the career of the greatest cueist of all
time to emerge a star and to win over 100 championships and to win
world championships in 5 decades, a feat no one has ever matched.
Hoppe was a world champion at 18 and a world champion well into his
late 50's.

When Hoppe returned to the USA for his defense of his title, he played
to the largest crowd to ever see a billiards match. The Grand Central
Palace was sold out a week in advance. A pair of tickets went for
$1000 in today's money. Over 4,000 people got around the table.
Hoppe took out Slosson 500 to 391. His stardom was now assured and he
would be the man, for the entire first half of the century. This was
probably the high water mark of Billiards, when it was at is highest
apex. Since the civil war, news of the world championships was
front-page news in every newspaper. The game would continue to surge
with popularity. Hoppe and Greenleaf would be major sports stars equal
to fame of Ruth and Dempsey and Bobby Jones making the same amounts of
money. Hoppe said the world championship title then was worth
$1,000,000 a year in today's money to any champion who held it. Once
the great depression hit, pool and billiards would begin a gradual
slide down to where they are today.

Another one of Hoppe's backers and supporters was Mark Twain. He was
ready to leave on a 6-month trip to Egypt and Brunswick gave him a new
billiard table to play on. He was so overjoyed; he cancelled the trip
to stay home and play.
His letter back to them saying thanks, said the Billiard table is
better than doctors. Have a billiardist on the premises and walk not
less than ten miles every day with my cue in hand. And the walking is
not the whole of the exercise, or the most health-giving part of it. I
think through the multitude of positions and attitudes it brings into
play every muscle in the body and exercises them all. S.L.C.

Napoleon and Josephine made billiards their chief recreation at
Versailles as it was also for the entire French court. Many of our
great presidents played and enjoyed the game like Teddy Roosevelt. You
should always be proud of being a billiards player; you come from a
long line of players, which have included the crown heads of Europe to
the most important people in the world.

Hoppe passes on to you his secrets of winning, here they are. He
avoided any other sport that stressed his hands or arms. He felt the
two best and safest to do was walking and swimming. He protected his
eyes, days before an event; he would not go to a movie or read a
newspaper. He rests his eyes. That would mean no TV or computer
screens today.
He felt sleep restores strong nerves. He went to bed early, got up
early and got plenty of sleep. He would nap 2 hrs between 4 and 6.
Rest was very important to him. No smoking, no booze, no drugs, a
clean and healthy body. He felt just a touch of nicotine or alcohol
could trigger his nervous system to miss a vital point, which could
affect his career.

He practiced 5 hrs a day. Prior to a championship he cut it down to 4
hrs a day. 4 days before the match he would taper off to 1 hr a day.
The day before he does not play, he just walks and rests. He always
repeated his game day preparations on how he won his first world event
in 1906; he never deviated from that routine.

Hoppe maintained that the Japanese had the best attitude and
temperament to play billiards. He said they are more agile, dexterous,
and quick to learn. He wrote they maintain a calm exterior in the
face of adversity and their face never betrays emotion. All the time
they are still learning inside. Hoppe obviously admired many of the
traits of the Zen player.

Hoppe concluded his 1925 252 page book with 36 lessons. His lesson
number 1 was concentrate. This was the one he listed first as the most
important to learn. He said mastery of the game of billiards is largely
a state of mine. The mental attitude can be summed up simply in these
3 things. Knowing what you can do, knowing what you want to do, and
concentrating on the immediate shot.

Concentrate; keep your mind focused on the ivory that lies before you.
Harness your brain and don't let it wander off and begin to jump
fences just as you are about to shoot. Keep your facilities keenly
alert on the immediate problem and don't relax until your cue tip has
gone through and finished its job. Concentrate!
It's the greatest mental exercise in the world, in billiards or
anything else. You have now heard from the greatest player of all time
and read the story of his great victory. You have the blueprint on how
to train for a match. You can now clearly see Hoppe's greatest
skills and weapons was his knowledge he put to use on how to play using
Zen skills and making high runs deep in the zone.
If you are wondering if this Zen thing is for real and if it can work
for you, It made Hoppe the greatest player of all time 72 years ago.
The techniques he used, still work today.

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"I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did
do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don't believe it,

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Subject, Demon rum. THE CURSE OF POOL PLAYERS.

Alcohol:
The Good, The Bad, The Calories
By Felicia Hodges

Although it isn't often regarded with a lot of hoopla and fanfare,
April is Alcohol Awareness Month. But don't go out and celebrate with a
drink! Research has shown over and over again that heavy alcohol
consumption is definitely not the best thing for the human body.
The facts are we love to drink and we spend 45 billion dollars a year
on getting drunk or feeling good in the USA. Probation laws to stamp
out drinking eventually failed as people refused to accept a law that
told them they could not enjoy a beverage they liked. You can drink
responsibly and remain healthy. Just drink in moderation.
The Effects of Alcohol
Alcohol consumption has been linked with cirrhosis and cancer of the
liver, as well as stomach cancer, fertility difficulties, endometrial
cancer and even increasing the risk of breast cancer. Even in small
doses, alcohol can temporarily affect memory, balance, coordination and
motor function. It also may kill hoards of sensitive stomach cells when
it is swallowed and irritate brain blood vessels once it is absorbed,
causing the "hangover stomach and head" that some who indulge to excess
know all too well.
Although experts aren't really sure what causes intoxication,
neurologists do know that the slurred speech, blurry vision and
difficulty negotiating a straight line are actually signs of alcohol
poisoning -- a sure sign that the body has consumed too much.
So many people know how much harm a scotch and soda could potentially
do. So why do we drink?
"Probably because alcohol is so socially accepted in our culture," says
Dr. Fred M. Arthur, a clinical psychologist who practices in upstate
New York. "Alcohol is part of just about every social scene we know,
from graduations and weddings to funerals and business deals. Think
about how many cocktail or dinner parties you've been to where there
wasn't alcohol around. It's so ingrained in our society that the host
would most likely feel impolite if he didn't offer you a drink."
And that's just before dinner arrives. Don't forget about the wine that
is served with the meal or the sherry that may be a part of the recipe.

"It is believed that the temperatures used during cooking actually
dissipates the alcohol in recipes, though," says chef Darlene
Cotterrill of Newburgh, N.Y., who owns a catering business and a
restaurant supply company. "So you still get the tease of the taste
without a lot of actual alcohol."
But, according to a 1996 USDA study, the theory about alcohol
evaporating when cooked is not such a sound one. Anywhere from 5 to 85
percent of the original amount of alcohol may remain in cooked dishes,
depending on how the food is heated (slowly simmered or "flash cooked"
like a stir-fry), how long it cooks (the longer it cooks, the less
alcohol remains) and the alcohol source (white wine at about 12 to 14
percent alcohol leaves less behind than port wine or sherry, which has
about 17 to 21 percent alcohol). So, if you aren't used to drinking,
are working to cut down on your alcohol consumption or are cooking for
anyone who should be, be mindful of what you're adding to your recipe
and of how you prepare it.
Just What's In There?
The main ingredient in any alcoholic beverage is ethanol, a
water-soluble chemical that gives it the remarkable ability to invade
every body cell through absorption rather than digestion. Most of it is
absorbed directly into the blood stream through the stomach and small
intestines, which enables it to work quickly through the body. How much
is absorbed -- measured via the blood alcohol content which gives the
percentage of alcohol in the blood stream -- is what that state trooper
is trying to determine during a breathalyzer test.
Alcohol is metabolized or "burned up" only by the liver. The organ
takes its time about it, too, which is why you may feel the maximum
effects of what you drink within an hour, but feel the physical after
effects -- the hangover -- for long after.
For the record, a 12-ounce can of beer, a 5-ounce glass of wine and a
jigger (1 ½-ounce shot) of whiskey have the same amount of alcohol in
them. They may, however, be absorbed at different rates because of
other ingredients (i.e. the hops and cereals in beer may cause it to be
absorbed slower than a shot of gin). This does not mean it takes more
beer to get you drunk. It means that it will take longer to reach the
maximum effect. But, when absorption is peaked, two beers will have the
same effect on a person as two shots will.
And, in case you are counting your calories, an ounce of 90-proof
liquor (which is 45 percent alcohol) has about 110 calories while an
8-ounce glass of beer has about 100. But, unlike most of the foods we
consume, neither has vitamins, minerals or other nutritional elements
-- real "empty" calories if ever there were any.
The Good Things
Just because it isn't bought from a corner hustler doesn't make alcohol
any less a drug with the ability to alter body functions. It is a
depressant and although some who drink feel wound up and zippy, it
actually slows down the central nervous system.
"There are actually some medicinal benefits to that," says Dr. Venus
Sewer, a chiropractor and holistic practitioner in New Winsor, N.Y.
"For centuries, clinicians and physicians have recommended that those
who have difficulty relaxing after, say, a high-pressure day at the
quarry or the factory or trading stocks have a glass of wine before bed
to help them wind down." Sewer says that the trick to avoiding
dependency is to avoid excess and not rely on the wine to slow you
down. "It most definitely should be used as a temporary means, like a
bridge to help remind the body what relaxation feels like and how to
get there," she says.
Although recent studies -- like the one conducted last year by the
Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons in New York --
have concluded that moderate alcohol consumption of one to two drinks a
day may also lower heart disease and stoke risk by possibly raising HDL
cholesterol levels (the good kind), physicians are quick to advise
anyone who doesn't drink not to start doing so for the health benefits.
The potential dangers of alcohol abuse far outweigh the benefits,
especially since regular exercise and a healthy lifestyle could help
you reach the same goal.
So, before you down that gin and tonic at your next dinner party, think
about what you could be doing to your body in the process.
Let's face it: Alcohol is very much a part of the American social
scene. But just because you indulge doesn't mean you have to go to
extremes. Here are some tips for knowing how to drink responsibly.
· Slow Down. It takes about 60 minutes for the liver to completely
metabolize alcohol. Drinking one glass of wine, a can of beer or shot
of liquor in an hour -- taking the whole hour to do it -- will probably
match your body's ability to get rid of it. Drinking more or drinking
faster will sharply raise your blood-alcohol content.
· Eat Before You Drink. A stomach full of food will slow the rate of
alcohol absorption. Slow to digest proteins and fats decrease the
absorption rate even more.
· Drink Later in the Day. Studies conducted at the University of
Minnesota and the University of Arkansas show that most people may have
an increased susceptibility to alcohol in the morning and early
afternoon because liver enzymes are lower then.
· Avoid Carbonation. Bubbly mixers like club soda and tonic water
tend to send alcohol into the blood stream faster.
· Don't Drink and Drive. Even if you can normally handle three drinks
without feeling a "buzz," never drive if you've been drinking. Things
like popular low-carbohydrate diets can change your metabolism so that
what you once could handle is absorbed much quicker. Don't take a
chance with your life or anyone else's. Use a designated driver or call
a taxi.

Alcohol Can Act as a 'Blood Thinner'
from ACER News Release
Even Moderate Amounts Can Thin Blood
Researchers have confirmed that drinking even moderate amounts of
alcohol can affect blood coagulation -- acting as a "blood thinner" --
which can have both positive and negative health effects.
Population studies have shown that moderate drinkers tend to have lower
rates of heart disease but higher rates of bleeding-type strokes than
abstainers. A potential mediator of these two contrasting effects of
alcohol may be platelet function.
A study in the October 2005 issue of Alcoholism: Clinical &
Experimental Research confirms that moderate drinking has effects on
blood coagulation - primarily as a "blood thinner" - which can have
both positive and negative effects.
"The contrasting effects of alcohol are similar to the effects of blood
thinners like aspirin, which clearly prevent heart attacks but at the
expense of some additional bleeding strokes," said Kenneth
Mukamal, an internist at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and
corresponding author for the study. "Acting as a blood thinner makes
sense, because heart attacks are caused by blood clots that form in
clogged arteries, and blood thinners can hasten bleeding from injured
arteries. Based on these findings, we speculated that
moderate drinking would also act as a blood thinner."
Mukamal added that previous research had shown that moderate drinkers
tend to have "less sticky" platelets than abstainers, meaning that
fewer blood elements cluster to form blood clots. "Yet no one before
had looked at whether alcohol affects how easily platelets are
activated," he said. "This is important because activated platelets are
much stickier than normal ones."
In 1971, a total of 5,124 men and women enrolled in the Framingham
Offspring Study of risk factors for cardiovascular disease - the sons
and daughters of participants in the original Framingham Heart Study.
Participants have been examined and interviewed every four years since
1971, except for an eight-year interval between the first and second
visits.

Potential Blood Thinner
This study uses data collected from 3,798 of those participants,
examined between April 1, 1991 and March 1, 1994 (the fifth examination
cycle), eventually analyzing data provided by a total of 1,037
participants (460 men and 577 women) for platelet activation and 2,013
participants (879 men and 1,134 women) for platelet aggregation.
"We found that among both men and women, an intake of three to six
drinks per week or more was linked to lower levels of stickiness
measured by aggregability," said Mukamal. "Among the men, we also found
that alcohol intake was linked to lower levels of platelet activation.
Together, these findings ... identify moderate drinking as a potential
blood thinner." Mukamal added that the minor differences found between
the men and women were more likely due to statistical issues than to
any clear gender differences.
Risk Factors for Vascular Disease
"Our findings add to a large body of evidence showing that moderate
drinking has effects on blood coagulation, which may have both good and
bad effects, but now identify a new avenue by which this effect may
occur," said Mukamal. "By themselves, these findings have more
importance for understanding risk factors for vascular disease than any
clinical relevance, and should not be used by people as any reason to
begin drinking."
The next step for Mukamal and his colleagues is to evaluate these
findings in other populations. "Heart attacks far outnumber
bleeding-type strokes in the United States," he said, "but in some
countries such as Japan, they have much higher rates of bleeding
strokes and lower rates of heart attacks than we do, which is perhaps
related to dietary differences."


Even a Little Alcohol Affects the Brain
Receptors found impact impairment from moderate drinking
By Steven Reinberg
HealthDay Reporter
MONDAY, Nov. 17 (HealthDayNews) -- Even low levels of alcohol can
impair brain function, says a study that found the specific areas
affected by amounts of alcohol tantamount to social drinking.
Low levels of alcohol affect motor coordination, memory and lower
social inhibitions at a blood alcohol level of 0.01 percent, far below
the legal drinking and driving limit of 0.08 percent, says lead
researcher Dr. Richard Olsen, a professor of pharmacology at the
University of California at Los Angeles. "This is the effect one or two
drinks will have," he adds.
In experiments with gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA) receptors in animal
cells, Olsen and his colleagues found some receptors, namely GABA
receptors with a beta-3 subunit and a delta subunit, responded when
exposed to low levels of ethanol.
These GABA receptors responded to low levels of alcohol compared with
other GABA receptors with subunits, such as gamma-2, that respond to
much higher levels, far higher than achieved in social drinking, Olsen
says.
The GABA receptors that respond to low levels of alcohol are in
cellular areas and brain regions that control the effects of alcohol on
behavior, he notes.
These areas include the cerebellum, which controls motor coordination,
the hippocampal formation, which affects memory loss, and the thalamus,
which is involved with sleep and effects of anesthetics.
The report appears in this week's issue of the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences .
Olsen says some of these receptors have not been tested for reaction to
alcohol before. These receptors are also being looked at to see the
effects of anesthetics.
This finding is useful because researchers may be able to effect the
action of alcohol if they know exactly how it works at the molecular
and cellular level on GABA receptors, he adds.
It is possible the changes that occur in the brain after chronic abuse
of alcohol can involve changes in these receptors, and this may help
scientists understand alcohol dependence and abuse. Researchers have
some evidence that GABA receptors are indeed modified by continued
exposure to alcohol, Olsen notes.
Currently, Olsen's team is taking the next step by trying to duplicate
their findings in rats.
"If we understand the action of alcohol at the cellular and molecular
level, it is helpful in treating the bad effects that alcohol may
have," Olsen says.
"We may be able to develop antidotes or treatments for intoxication or
overdoses and coma and life-threatening effects as well as being able
to understand and treat alcohol abuse," he adds.
Dr. H. Scott Swartzwelder, a professor psychiatry of at Duke
University, comments, "We have always known that alcohol has some kind
of effect on GABA function, because GABA is involved in learning and
sleep."
The results of this study are compelling because it shows
concentrations that are relevant to the human experience, and there may
be a specific target that will let researchers study the effects of
alcohol, Swartzwelder adds.
"This is important because alcohol is a very dirty drug: it doesn't
just do one thing; it affects many types of receptors in the brain," he
says. "This finding could lead to the development of drugs that could
block or reverse some of the effects of alcohol."
"We have hoped for a long time to find a drug that would counteract the
acute effects of alcohol and also the chronic effects of alcohol.
Chronic alcohol use does change the ways the GABA system works, and it
stays changed. Knowing how alcohol affects the GABA system may lead to
drugs that can reverse these changes," Swartzwelder speculates.

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Another excert from the book, pool players and their health:

DIET: FOOD: WATER; you are what you eat and drink. That coke classic
you're drinking for lunch is filled with sugar you don't need. I
view that puppy as poison and I only buy one to pour on my battery
terminals to clean them. When it boils all that crud off I wonder what
it's doing to your stomach. Your double cheese whopper bacon burger,
your greasy fries and onion rings and your one pound burrito are going
to turn you into a porker and clog your arteries so you die of a heart
attack when you turn 50. Bar B Q ribs, holy cow, they are ribs of
death.

Check the calories of what you are eating. Root Beer, 125, hot dog,
300, big Mac 550, my favorite dish is fettuccine alfredo. They now
call it heart attack on a plate at 1000. Every thing I love I find out
now is bad for me. I used to train on the Rodney Dangerfield breakfast
of champions, beer and Pizza but that only lasts until your youth
leaves. Once you get a little older you have to shape up and pay
attention to what you eat.
You can't live on junk food and have your body produce your ultimate
performance, it just cannot happen. You have choices, you could have
gone over to subway and had a better healthier sandwich and drank a
glass of water. You could have eaten a salad there. There are always
choices. 2 of my 3 meals now are vegetarian. Some times I am
vegetarian for days at a time. My meat eating has been reduced to a
minimum and grease eliminated. Anything fried is poison and my enemy I
will not eat. On the road I go into Sam's or now just about any top
grocery store and buy a rotisserie full chicken for about 5 bucks which
is cheap. I rip it apart, clean the bones and skin off and eat the
breast and white meat. The rest I put in Tupper ware and it goes in my
cooler for lunches for the next two days. The skin and a lot of the
dark meat I feed to wonder dog which is a feast for him. My wife says,
that skin and greasy chicken is not good for Max. Max says, shut that
bitch up and pass the chicken.

For breakfast I eat that Post high tech cereal, the one that has all
the grains, nuts and stuff in it. I cut up a banana, one day I add
blueberries in the bowl, the next strawberries. Fill it up with milk
and it's a healthy filling breakfast. Eggs, sausage, hash browns and
bacon are not healthy. I grew up on it and I miss it bad. Once a
week I toss a porterhouse on the grill as some meat is good for you.
Some now recommend this for desert with a late after dinner snack to go
to bed on as well. A 150 calorie bowl of cereal and low fat milk at
least 90 minutes after dinner has shown to lose a pound per week. Some
even recommend you eat a bowl when you are hungry late at night instead
of hitting the ice cream or pie.

For lunch I do a salad and perhaps some tuna mixed as a salad. Tuna is
called brain food. That is healthy, the burger, fries, onion rings are
not. For dinner I usually eat rice, a small piece of meat a couple of
times a week but usually a filet of fish or chicken breast with no
skin, corn or green beans, spinach and a salad. I want a balanced
dinner and it changes around so I don't get tired of eating the same
things. I now eat a lot of fish filets and chicken with out the skin
on it. You need to read some books and get on a proper and balanced
diet now. If you are serious about your game, you must eat right. Get
off the junk food snacks also. Potato chips, cookies, donuts and ice
cream must go. Eat right and you can be happy and lose weight. Any
diet where you starve your self always fails. Just learn as you go
along learn to lake a smaller portion of everything you eat. Candy
bar, don't eat the bar, just one bite. Keep eating less and exercise
and your stomach shrinks and you then hunger for less. It takes months
but long term you lose weight and keep it off.

The medical community published in late 2006 that if you eat two salads
a day, plus an apple or a glass of apple juice it cuts the risk of
dementia in older people in half. So the old saying an apple a day
keeps the doctor away has been proved right. Be wike a bunny wabbit,
eat more salad.

Whole grains will help your heart. The Harvard school of public health
did a study of 42,850 men who ate more than 25 grams of whole grains
per day and they cut their risk of heart disease by about 15%. Those
who daily ate more than 11 rams of bran, the highest fiber part of the
whole grains, cut their risk by 30%. Good sources include brown rice,
oatmeal, whole wheat bread, popcorn and bran muffins. The plant fiber
and plant sterols and other nutrient lower cholesterol and the
antioxidants also help.

Find out the proper amount of calories to consume each day then plan
your new diet accordingly to fit that mode. Learn to eat less and
shrink your stomach but never be hungry or starve your self. A severe
diet of lettuce and grapefruit juice would be dangerous as you lose
weight too fast. You lose weight slowly to have it be healthy. Always
have 3 meals a day, 5 small ones if you can. Avoid the big dinner pig
out. Learn to lose weight in the gym by exercise, not by starving your
self. If you are 35 you will never look like an 18 year old teenager
with a perfect flat belly again. You body is again, losing muscle mass
and your metabolism is changing and slowing down. You must assume a
size that fits and is reasonable and healthy for you. Those models you
see in magazines literally do starve their selves almost to death to
have those figures. Do a lot of fruit, you can never go wrong there.
Watermelon, bananas and grapefruit are the least expensive fresh fruits
in the supermarket.

Putting garlic on everything would be great, but you will soon smell
like a goat. I instead take a garlic vitamin pill which has no odor
once a day. I buy Vadalia onions which can be eaten like an apple.
You cut the middles out of them and I will put them on my food during
lunch and dinner. If I am not going out in public, I eat a lot of
onion.
The old saying, an apple a day, keeps the doctor away is also true.
Flavor your diets with a lot of onion and garlic and you will lower
your risks of several types of cancer which were proved by studies in
Italy and Switzerland. You will reduce your risk for Colon, ovarian
and throat cancers.
Being 'fat' may not be a health risk
IAN JOHNSTON
PEOPLE who are officially classed as overweight are not necessarily
putting their health at risk and going on a diet could be dangerous,
according to new research.
A row has been raging after a controversial US study earlier this year
found that those deemed to be overweight - because of their high weight
to height ratio - actually had a lower chance of dying prematurely than
people whose weight was "normal".

Now scientists are increasingly supporting the findings and casting
doubt on the value of the body mass index (BMI) system of measuring
whether someone is too heavy, according to New Scientist magazine.
This is because it does not take fat levels into account. The BMI
method would suggest actor Brad Pitt and George Bush, the US president,
are overweight, mostly because they exercise regularly and have built
up the amount of lean tissue in their bodies. And experts warned that
anyone deciding to lose weight after being told they were too heavy
because of their BMI could actually damage their health.
Reducing the amount of food consumed lowers weight, but also lowers the
amount of lean tissue, which has been linked to an increased chance of
premature death.
Katherine Flegal, an epidemiologist from the US Centres for Disease
Control and Prevention (CDC) who led the team behind the controversial
study, said: "Although people think there's all this evidence out there
showing a high mortality risk associated with being overweight, in fact
the literature doesn't show it."
A previous CDC study said overweight and obesity caused 325,000
premature deaths a year in the US, but Ms Flegal's study found that
while obesity was the cause of 112,000 early deaths, there were 86,000
fewer deaths a year among those who were overweight compared with those
who were "normal" weight.
In Britain, nearly two-thirds of the population are considered to be
overweight and about a quarter are obese The NHS Direct website
includes a page where people can enter their height and weight and then
be given a BMI rating and told whether they are overweight or obese.
But Stanton Glantz, a professor of medicine at California University
who's BMI makes him nearly obese, said: "If correct, all these
worries about a huge fraction of the population being overweight just
go out the window. It's not a trivial problem, but the focus should now
be on the severely overweight. The current definition of overweight is
not like the speed of light or pi. What was considered as the normal,
desirable weight is too low.
"I just got back from a 350-mile bike trip all over the south-west of
the US. I lost no weight whatsoever. I was eating like a pig I was so
hungry all the time."
Researchers in Denmark and Finland found people who lose weight by
eating less food were more likely to die early.
The theory is that dieting results in a decrease in the amount of lean
body tissue as well as fat and that this is damaging to health,
although the reasons why this appears to happen remains unclear. Losing
weight through exercise avoids this problem as it preserves or
increases the amount of lean mass.
Dr David Haslam, the chairman of the National Obesity Forum, told the
Scotsman that while BMI was useful for population studies, it was
"flawed to say the least" when assessing individuals.
"The best way is to get a tape measure and measure your waist halfway
between the crest of the hip and the lower rib at the side," he said.
Men with waists of more than 112cm or 40 inches and women with waists
of 88cm or 35 inches are considered to be too fat for their health.
These figures can be lower for some ethnic minorities, particularly
people from south-east Asia.
Dr Haslam said: "If you've got a low waist size but a high BMI you're
probably not at increased risk, so it would be foolish to diet. But
there are many confounding factors. What people should not take from
this is that having extra fat on the abdomen is a good thing. It's
not."
How to work it out
TO FIND out your BMI, multiply your height in metres by itself and then
divide your weight in kilograms by the resulting figure.
According to the NHS 24/NHS Direct website, if you have a BMI of less
than 18.4 you are underweight and between 18.5 and 24.9 you are an
ideal weight.
Between 25 and 29.9 you are overweight, between 30 and 39.9 you are
obese and over 40 you are very obese

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Adrenalin 1-7-04 CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved. 3
pages. Czm, upm, bpn, rsb, ppt, btt,ip.

The noun "adrenalin" has 1 sense in WordNet.
1. epinephrine, epinephrin, adrenaline, Adrenalin -- (a catecholamine
secreted by the adrenal medulla in response to stress (trade name
Adrenalin); stimulates autonomic nerve action)

The adrenal gland is a very important organ in the human body. The
body has two adrenal glands, one riding on top of each Kidney. They
are also called suparnenals and they can do super things. They have
two parts, the medulla inner core and the cortex outer shell.
The medulola is controlled by the nervous system. Nerve signals prompt
the medulla to secrete epinephrine adrenalin and norepinphrine into the
blood. These are extremely powerful drugs that work very fast to help
the body adjust to sudden stresses.
The cortex is controlled by the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland
stimulates the cortex to secrete hormones into the blood as well. Some
of these hormones including cortisol and aldosterone help regulate salt
and sugar balances in the body. These balances are so important that a
person would die if they were not constantly maintained. The beauty is
this works automatically with out our control.

Adrenalin is a registered trade name for the drug epinephrine, which is
a hormone that is normally secreted into the blood by the adrenal
glands when there is a stress command placed. Feel stress, the drug is
dropped.
In the body, it is trying to regulate proper blood pressure at a normal
level until the brains says dump the main load; we have a crisis, main
line this guy now.

When a person becomes angry or frightened the adrenal glands pour large
amounts of epinephyrine into the blood. It works very quickly and has
a sudden impact. It is Gods design for primitive man to see a Lion
that wants to have him for lunch, and get a sudden super human burst of
energy so he can run to the tree for safety. In primitive man this was
a very cool tool, in modern man, it can be more of a curse than a
helper.

There are many reports of small women seeing a car jack slip and fall
on their child working on a car and a 100 lb lady lifts the car up so
he can escape. Super human things can be done when this super drug
main lines your veins. It also sends all of your emotions totally
bonkers. Most of us have had someone cut us off in traffic and flip
us the bird and felt rage go wild, people kill each other from road
rage all the time. That was an adrenal drop. When rage hits and the
drug drops, you can be mentally insane for 30 seconds. When you feel
rage, that is why the old saying, close your eyes and slowly count to
10, that is allowing the first rush of the drug, the most powerful
jolt, to slowly begin to dissipate. The hormones being dropped as well
are meant to make the body more efficient for fight or flight.
That's great news if you want to duke it out in a bar or run to a
tree from a hungry Lion. If you are playing pool and get angry or
scared and you cause a full adrenal drop, you are now toast. Kiss your
bippy goodbye.
The epinephrine causes the muscles in the walls of the arties to
contract, thus slowing the bleeding from the expected wounds from the
fight or the Lion attack so you won't bleed to death. The drug
relaxes muscles in the bronchi, which are the large air passages into
the lungs so you can have more air to run farther faster. Everything
has changed all of your touch and feel is gone. Your entire nervous
system is spiked through the roof. Your heart is now racing and your
have no fight to perform or no tree to run to, all you have is your
veins now filled with this powerful drug and every system in your cpu
is screaming red alert, red alert.

Now tell me how you are going to play pool with all that going on. The
answer is, you are not. You are done. Depending on the situation, the
amount of the drop can vary a lot, from a full main line to a lighter
amount. You must learn to recognize the symptoms and realize when you
get hit with a drop. Stop what you are doing immediately. Make some
excuse like you have just become very ill and have to take an immediate
break. Go into the rest room, open a stall, go in & lock the door and
sit on the stool until the drug wears off.

That might take 10 or 15 minutes. If you continue to play in that
condition, you will lose every time. I would risk a DQ than go on and
play to a certain defeat. If you continue to play after the drop by
the time the drug wears off, you are now so far behind you can't
catch up or the match is over. If you are forced back on the floor,
then go into a massive slow down until you feel your have returned to
normal.

Before I gained control of my emotions by using Zen, I remember I was
playing a world champion and I wanted to do well, his name was Willie.
I did not expect to win, I just wanted some respect. I had played him
once before and almost beat the guy, running 75 out of the chute in a
game of 100 when I got the first shot. He came to the table and ran
100 and out on me, I was shocked by that. I was not scared of him the
first match, but when I played him the 2nd time I was now terrified of
the guy. I can remember sitting there waiting to play and I was so
scared my leg was shaking. It began to shake so bad I had to hold it
down. I was literally falling apart, my emotions turned to mush. I
let adrenal drop and when I got the first shot, I only ran 12 and
missed. Mosconi ran 100 and out again on me.

I played great the first match being loose and confident. The 2nd
match I played like a dog. That is what happens to you when you lose
control of your emotions, you are finished. The lesson I learned that
day was never fear any man in any game. So you lose, they don't chop
off your head. The only chance you have to win is to play them totally
fast and loose. After that sank in, I beat a dozen world champions
just by coming after them hard, fast and loose out of the chute,
showing no fear. I never got to play Mosconi a 3rd time, not that I
might have won. During the time I played him, he was virtually UN
beatable, because he feared no one. Never let fear of losing to anyone
affects you. Fear is your greatest enemy; you must remain calm at all
times.
You must be conscious of your little pouch of drugs sitting on top of
your Kidneys just waiting to dump into your veins, let that happen,
your are a loser. Now you know it's vital you remain calm and
relaxed and not let anything going on around you to affect you. Number
one; have no fear of your opponent, so what he's this or that, all
he can do is win, life goes on after that for you. If you are
gambling, some roadies will get aggressive if you're winning and get
in your face to cause an argument, some can get nasty, even
threatening. They want you to drop your load and go off on it, that is
what that is all about. Be smarter than that, just smile in their face
and scold them for being rude and ask them politely to sit down. When
they see they cannot provoke you into anger and rage, they won't
waste their time doing it again.

See Zen as your shield, it protects you from these emotions, keeps them
at bay, and you will never have a disastrous adrenal drop ever again if
you are a Zen player, it is impossible for that to occur. Just keep
smiling and humming your tune, whistle while you work, and be happy in
your work running out on the other guy so he does not get a shot. At
the pro level, 90% of the game is mental, mental control of your
emotions and concentration and focus.

Even the total beginner should begin learning these vital concepts and
techniques from the get go. Never ever beat your self or shoot your
own self in the foot. If you are a league player, you see this happen
in almost every match played. You sit back from afar and probably
wonder why, how can these people do these things, how can they dog a
game ball that's a hanger in the hole, then you get up and do the
same thing your self. It is all because you people do not control you
and your emotions; everything around you is controlling you. Until you
put a stop to this madness and take control of you and your destiny,
nothing changes.

My teacher Minnesota Fats a half-century ago said to me and I quote,
"Only a sausage, a sucker puts heat on himself. Why would you want
to do that, make your self into a loser, that don't make no sense.
Pressure in self-induced, only you can put it on, only you can take it
off. It's a feel game, you can't play it if you lock your self up
tight. You have to play it with a natural flow, fast and loose, nice
and calm with a smile on your face when you see the game ball, because
you know you're a winner and you never dog the game ball, so pay day
just arrived. "

END OF ARTICLE 1 OF 3
May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your
back and
all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for "I


came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it
all and you can believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est

La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage,
Go play fast and loose. In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway.
Email fast...@bellsouth.net The Power Source Traveling Pool School.
To see my web page come alive click http://www.fastlarrypool.com
"Fast Larry" Guninger

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Dear Bong Soon

This stuff sucks too. Stop typing and go stick your head in a bucket of
elephant shit.

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Like any one cares about your mad ravings, Mrs David Black jack
Sapolis. Here's another one. If you don't like them, stop reading
them, just go away and let rsb be in peace. You can't, can you? You
have this obsession with me, that you just attack me daily here? Why?

Just leave, bye bye...

Having sweet dreams about that Yak, arent you?

oooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Baby, would that one be a ride or what?

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11 RAIL BANK. The history of the shot.

7 pages 10-9-04 by the Power Source Pool School. Information verified
by Fast Larry Guninger CR all rights reserved Bpn, Czm, upp, rsb, ppt,
btt.

The question is:
Being a very enthuastic amateur pool player who loves the games of
billiards
and the sport in all its facets.....while browsing this newsgroup and
the
other billiards newsgroup....I am seeing a person by the name of Larry
Gunniger mentioned fairly frequently. Is this the same person that is
mentioned by Guinness and Ripley's as Larry Gridinger?
Larry Gridinger holds at least two Guinness world records in this sport
as
well as being recorded in Ripley's as the only person reputed to be
able to
make an ELEVEN RAIL Bank Shot.
Please understand.....I am simply asking a question...No offense
intended
and I tender an apology to the above person if offense taken.
--
Ricky W. King AIFD, SCCPF, NCCPF, FTD Master Designer
The Wei table diagram of the shot. If you do not know how to open this
instructions are at the end.
11 Rail shot. In two parts, part 1 shoot into 8, bank 7 rails into B

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

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%]r2X8%^j4[2%eA9a8%_U9C9%``3H1%ar9O8%bi5[2%c[4X2%dK3U3 )END

Part 11 we come off the 7th rail at B and go down, around and back down
to hit 11 rails at A.

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The Answer is:

It is a common thing when a performer who is on TV a lot like Larry has
been and has a name that is too long to spell, pronounce or remember he
changes it to a stage name. Archibald Leech became Cary Grant.
Larry simply made his last name shorter and easier to spell making it
Guninger which is his new stage name. Yes the two names are the same
person. There is only one Fast Larry in the pool world, which has two
last names floating around, but it's the same guy. All the
Ripley's records were published in his Christian name, not in his
stage name. He changed that in 1999. He has also appeared as the
Great Guninger.

The 9 rail bank stood as a record for 159 years, making 10 rails was
considered impossible, pools 3 minute mile. Every one had tried,
Hoppe, Mosconi, even Mike Massey, and all had failed. Larry was the
first to hit 10 and prove it by the Guinness world book of records and
standards which occurred on 4-1-93. He set 17 of his 20 world records
not in a pool hall but at Ga Tech University which were video taped by
TTN which was an independent film crew. He had dozens of witnesses who
signed affidavits and on tape who were interviewed when the records
occurred in a student rec room on 10 year old tables with original
rails on very cheap house cloth and Larry used the room house cue ball
which was not even a red circle but a $5 Chinese cue ball which was 10
years old and all the polish worn off of it.

Nothing was done to enhance the table, cloth or ball. His proof
package was complete, perfect. Prior to Larry nobody had ever proved
anything. They just said I did this, how dare you question me and
their witness was Harry da Horse and Jake da Snake. The people who
witnessed his shots were state government employees, teachers and
physic professors.
Because his proof package was beyond question, Ripley's decided to
put him in their cartoon for his 10 rail bank which had just been
reported in every major pool magazine on earth.

Larry then broke his own record and hit 11 on a 7-8-9 &-10' pool
table, then on a 10' carom table, then on a 10 and 12' snooker
table. That was the record they ran with and appeared in the cartoon
published on 12-27-94. Larry also made these same shots on these same
tables one handed also and several times made 11 rails one handed back
to back. He sent out a tape showing him hitting 11 rails 50 times in
an hour on the Ga Tech table just to show it was not a one time fluke.


When he began to do that everyone began to pass out in wonder or call
him a fraud and fake because they could not do it 2 handed, how could
any one do it one handed, therefore it could not be true and that is
where the fraud charges began from, simple jealousy. It went into two
camps, those who called him the great one and you see many of these
accolades on his web site from many hall of famers or those who ran him
down and never bothered to even see his proof package.

Never do a thing, another man can't do, and it arouses all sorts of
bad passion from him. To prove he was for real he sent out tapes
showing him hitting 11 rails on dozens of different tables. He
performed the shot live in front of large crowds for 7 years.
>From 94 up to 2000 in front of thousands of people all over the world.
He performed the shot at pools largest and most important shows, the
Allen Hopkins, the BCA show and the Super Show in Vegas. He performed
the shot live in front of a crowd on prime time TV for the Ripley's
premier show in 2000.

He billed himself as the most powerful pool player on the planet and
went out and backed up that boast with his shots. He has over 50 shots
no other man on Earth can duplicate.

In 1995 he hit 12 rails on a 9' pool table and that was reported in
Pool & Billiards magazine. That shot has never been duplicated and may
never be. In 1961 he set his first 2 world records making 8 balls on
the break at both 8 and 9 ball in the same year. Those two records
have never been tied in 43 years and it is certain they will never be
broken. The rest of Larry's other 17 world records were set when he
was a senior citizen and far out of his prime and former power which
makes them all the more amazing.

Nobody could run a 3 minute mile until Bannister proved it was
possible, now every one does it. The credit goes to who broke the
barrier, not who does it today.
Every one was using the same pattern published in the Byrne book in 85,
Bob also said the 10 rail shot, could not be done. Larry used an
entirely new pattern for his 11 rail shot and added a jump shot to it
where the cue ball was flying just off the surface of the cloth. These
two discoveries allowed the record to occur.

Larry sent out 175 of these proof packages which have the video tape of
the shot and the pattern written for them. He proved it could be done
and showed everyone how to do it.
People bought 5000 of his video tapes which also has the 11 rail shots
on it so they can study how it was done.
He now has 7 of his 11 rails shots up on his web site which can be seen
in live action.
Go into www.fastlarrypool.com www dot fastlarry dot
com
Open the trick shot tab on the left, click 11 rail banks, click a
player, or install a player and there they are. 10,000 people came in
the first week the shots were up to view them, over 100,000 have seen
them on his site so far. You can see the 11 rail shot he made on the
Ripley's show, one handed 11 railers, back to back shots, and it's
all there. Please note the final shot where he goes 11 rails back to
back and wonder dog is running around barking at him that was done on a
35 year old sport king with original dead rails. Larry made these
shots on real worn out pool tables just like you play on. Over 100,000
people world wide read and saw his 11 rail diagram. Over 250 million
people world wide have seen him make the 11 rail shot on the Ripley's
TV show during its many world wide re runs.

He showed the world how to do 11, gave them the blue print and over a
decade has now passed and only Larry and TASA world trick shot champion
Rick Wright have made the 11 rail shot on a pool table and Larry
trained Rick how to.
Ricks power is equal to Larry's. The 6 holes on the table make this
shot almost impossible to perform.

Everyone on AZ and CCB a few months ago began talking about the shot
and thousands of them went out to do it and all failed. Most could
only make 8 and the top sticks there could only make 9 and not even get
close to 10. What was their conclusion, Larry was a fraud and a fake
because they could not do it. If they could not do it, he had to be
cheating. Larry made the 11 rail shot by request on a very cheap $600
home rec 9' Chinese pool table at the 2003 BCA trade show in Vegas.
He no longer performs the shot live because he views it as dangerous as
the cue ball can fly off the table and hit some one. Larry performs a
9 rail shot one handed and stops the cue ball on a dollar bill today
because that shot is impressive and safe to shoot.

He now says if you want to see the 11 rail shot, buy my video tape. He
feels he has no need to prove he did it any more, he has already proved
this as a absolute fact all of the experts in the game now agree on, he
did do it, he did do it first and was first to prove it. Allen Gilbert
a 3-cushion champion said I saw it, I know it can be made on a billiard
table with no pockets but it can't be make on a pool table, it's
impossible. Yes I saw him do it on tape, but it's still impossible.

After a decade and all of this proof, most of the pro's like Allen
still can not believe it. They see the proof and reject the proof.
They say Larry used smoke and wires.

The pool tables today are the same they were a decade ago, nothings
really changed. New equipment can render records of the past obsolete
over night.
Over a decade ago only Nicklaus and a handful of pro golfers could fly
a ball 300 yrs in the air. Today every skinny kid on tour can due to
high tech drivers and hot new balls.
The baseball today is a lot hotter than the one Babe Ruth hit.

3-cushion billiard tables have gone through a revolution since
Larry's early shots, these are $10,000 tables, the finest European
construction on Earth, Larry's records were on 10 to 35 year old worn
out pool hall tables, most of which were not worth a $1000. Larry's
records were made on house cloth, the cheapest cloth Ga Tech could buy.
Carom tables only use 300 Simonis, which is twice as fast as pool hall
860. 860 can be twice as fast as house cloth. A $40 cloth vs a $250
cloth. House cloth thick like a rug, 300 very thin, extremely fast,
it's like shooting a ball on ice.
The carom tables have heated slates which will speed up the roll of the
ball at least 4 more diamonds of roll. A 9 rail shot on a non heated
slate becomes a 10 rail shot do to the extra 4 to 5' of roll you get
when you heat the slate. No pool tables have heated slates. None of
Larry's record tables had a heated slate. All carom tables now do.
The Carom tables of yesterday never were heated, the rails were too
high, the rubber was not hot, and the cloth was simonois #1 which is
like 760 is today. That is why they could not make 10 on them, they
were slow. All of that has now changed in the last decade.

Carom tables have a 2" slate and Larry's cheap tables had an l"
slate.
Carom tables use state of the art pro super aramith tourney balls from
Belgium, Larry used a cheap house ball from China worth $5 which has
also been in play for a decade and had lost all of its polish. On each
record shot, the witnesses on video tape inspected the cloth and ball
and verified nothing was on either one to enhance the shot. They
rubbed the ball, smelled it, they rubbed their hands on the cloth.

Larry sells small pieces of the original house cloth he used to make
the shot, it has a white backing on it. Mali made it.
Camera close ups of the table, cloth and ball used were part of the
package. People rubbed the ball to insure it was clean and nothing had
been applied to it. Larry had the ball handed to him to insure he had
no chance to even do that. Before the shot Larry waited and took the
first table to open and used the cue ball that was in play on that
table. He did not even brush or clean the cloth, just banged off the
shot on a table that had been in continuous play for 10 straight hours.
That was the extremes he went to in order to show the shot was
genuine. It gained him nothing. All it got him was insults and grief.
The Carom people wax and highly polish their balls to even give them
more speed. The carom tables use the German artemis rubber, which
costs $200 compared to the $30 rubber used on pool tables. That rubber
is very hot and fast compared to pool tables. Larry's records were
all on 10 year old Gandy big G's made in 83, Brunswick sport kings
made in 58 and a few gold crowns made in 81. His tables were old and
all had the original rubber on them, none of them were hot tables, in
fact most were slow tables. Some of them Larry called the pool table
from Hell. Larry never performed a record on a new table.

Case in point to prove this.
2 weeks after Larry made the worlds first 11 rail shots on his 9'
Gandy and 10' carom table Paul Gerni came to town to inspect the
equipment and could only make 8 rails on the carom table. He went over
to the pool table and could only make 9 rails, but keep in mind Paul
has never made 10 on any table but does 9 on a table somewhere every
day. Paul turned white saying, I can't believe you did this on
equipment this bad and slow and old. Larry banged off an 11 rail shot
for him and said, that's how, now go eat more wheaties and you can be
like me.

The point is, on a modern carom table, 11 can be now made by any top
player due to the extreme speed then now have. Larry taught them how
gave them the diagram and tape which is why they are doing it today.
Larry say's to them, this is now nothing, if you want to see how
powerful you are, go to a real pool table that's 10 years old with
house cloth and bang off 11 using the house cue ball, go do that and
you have my respect.

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THE WEI POOL TABLE, HOW TO OPEN AND VIEW IT.

Every now and then, someone will put a shot in their post which looks
like this odd gobbly-gook code. For those who have not seen this before
or know how to use it so that they can see the shot, here is an
explanation of how to see the shot.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/8ball.html

START( %A[9D0%B[3\6%CZ9\0%D[1\0%EZ6D0%F\0E3%GZ9\7%HC9C1%IC8D1%PZ9L0
%QX5A7%Rs4B0%SA3B1%UZ8C0%VZ6C4%W[8C0%X[9C3%Y[1F7%Z[0K5%[q6C9
%\\8E3%][1E4%^[2E6%eB4`7%_E5D4%`L4E0%aR4C4%bS8D1%cV8E1%dZ0D2 )END


1)How to get the wei table so you can see the shot

Go to the following address in your browser-ie, internet explorer or
netscape, by either copying it into your browser or clicking on the
link.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html

This is called the 'Wei' table, and it is where you will be able to
view the shots. Put this into your favorites/bookmarks.

When you go to the wei table for the first time, one of two things
usually happens. It will ask you if you want to download 'shockwave' to
which you click ok or it will automatically download. You cannot use
the table without shockwave. If neither of those things happens, you
need to download it.

Downloading shockwave

Mac computers:

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool//download/pooltable2.sea

Windows pc computers:

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/download/pooltable2.exe

If this does not work, go to the shockwave site and download it from
there.

www.macromedia.com

The table looks very nice, like a small pool table with 15 balls and
the cueball. If the table does not look nice, you may need a recent
plug-in, which you can get at the macromedia site. It is unlikely that
this will happen, however.

2)Getting the code onto the table

Highlight the code, including the words copy and end, and click copy,
either by using the right click button (pc) or by using the edit drop
down menu at the top of your screen.

Open the wei table, and click the paste button at the bottom right of
the table. You will be asked twice if you wish to display this, click
ok twice. The shot appears.

If you wish to put a shot into your post, use your cursor to put the
unneeded balls into the pockets, then move the others and the cueball
around on the table to show your shot. There are some lines beneath the
table that you can use to show the path of the shot. Once you have done
this, click the copy button at the bottom, and go to the post you are
making by hitting the back button.

Hit paste and your shot will appear in your post in the 'wei code'

fast...@gmail.com

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11 RAIL BANK IS THAT SO HARD TO DO NOW?

6 pages 6-28-04 CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved.


Published in DC, Bpn, czm, upp, rsb, ppt, btt.

A fan writes an email:
Larry, I was on your website last night and your tricks shots are
awesome. On a side note, what is so hard about hitting 11 rails on a
table? It is especially easy on a carom table because of the heated
cushions. Anyway, not to knock your ability, but the best tricks ever
made, is done at a 3-cushion table when the player makes the balls
dance while hitting 3-cushions. Sergio,

... FL RESPONDS;
Yes, 3-cushion artistic shots are easier on a $10,000 heated slate
table than they are on a worn out $1,000 pool table with 6 holes to
dodge with a much slower cloth and no heated slate. A 300 cloth is
almost twice as fast as our pool house cloth we play on every day.
Every artistic shot Sammy or Rojas, Steylearts or Cuelemans makes on a
3-cushion table that is possible to convert the same shot to a pool
table I do also. There is nothing these guys can do I can't do as
well. Rick Wright and I took the 72 Artistic shots performed in the
European 3-C world event and were able to convert 70% of them over to a
pool table. We did this in the early 90's and I used to tour with
two shows. My pool legends show where I recreated the great show shots
of the past but had a lot of set up shots of not great skill. My 2nd
show I offered was my fantasy show which was full of the European 3-C
shots on a pool table.

When I ran the world pool trick shot championship back in the mid
90's I featured many of these shots in our competitions. Our test
was triple in difficulty compared to what the pool trick shot guys are
shooting today which Mike Massey tells me is no tougher than a good
amateur program. Rick Wright and I were the first two pool people to
prove we could do these billiard fantasy shots on pool tables.

I do them on tables from hell, their Verhoven shots, on pool tables. I
am the first pool player who can and will do an entire show of nothing
but DF11 world class European Masses, I carry 30 with me. Most pool
players do 2 or 3 at best and they are weak DF5's. The grand Masse is
a good shot on a Verhoven; it's a bear on a cheap pool table. Deno
told me once the Hoppe 3 rail masse is a baby billiard and a DF4, I
went dodge 6 holes on house cloth on a pool table and its not. Our
target trying to pot a ball is also many times smaller than just trying
to clip a ball on either side, your target in fact is the size of a
basketball.
My target is the size of an apple. You can acquire my video tapes to
see for your self if you like seeing balls hug and snake on rails,
these shots I am a master at. Soon I will have these shots in a
collection on DVD; I am working on this now.

HEATED SLATES ON CAROM TABLES ARE A NEW THING. 15-20 YEARS AGO THEY
WERE RARE AND ONLY ON THE MOST EXPENSIVE TABLES. HEATED SLATES HAVE
NEVER BEEN SOLD BY BRUNSWICK OR ANY AMERICAN POOL TABLE MAKER THEREFORE
ALL OF OUR CAROM TABLES IN THE USA WERE UNHEATED. THE HEATED TABLES
WERE IN EUROPE AND IN TIME THEY BEGAN TO BE IMPORTED AND SET UP IN THE
USA IN ONLY THE MOST EXCLUSIVE PLACES. 10k FOR THE TABLE AND PAY TO
FLY THE MECHANIC OVER FROM BELGIUM TO SET IT UP WAS A LITTLE RICH FOR
MOST PEOPLE. I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN HISTORY TO HIT A 10 RAIL SHOT
ON A CAROM TABLE, THEN 11, THEN 11 ONE HANDED AND THEN 12. That
occurred on a non heated Brunswick table made in 1982 so my records
were on the old equipment.

You can not get a heated slate on any table bought in the USA even
today; they are totally unknown in this country. There are none on any
pool tables anywhere. You only see them on 7 to10K European 3-cushion
billiard tables with no pockets.

People here just have not yet discovered the many advantages of this.
A heated slate which removes the moisture from the cloth will allow the
ball to run 4 diamonds further or half of a table length on any cloth
used. When I made my record shots on every table I used they were all
non heated, that was the spot I gave you on your tables today. The 10
rail shot was considered impossible; Hoppe tried for 50 years and could
not do it. My 12 rail bank has never been duplicated on any table. I
broke a barrier, showed how and showed everyone the diagram and path.

Everyone today, shoots and steals my shot and nobody gives me credit
for it when they do. This is not right. This is not professional.
It was printed in every carom magazine worldwide. This occurred in
early 1993, 12 years ago. In 1982 Bob Byrne printed the diagram of how
people tried to hit a 10 rail bank and said it can't be done. That was
proof that no body had done it. I did hit 10 using that pattern but
soon realized 11 were impossible from using this method. My new
diagram was different from what everyone had used and tried, which was
why I succeeded and all of them had failed. I am the pioneer of this
shot, its inventor; you would not be shooting it today, if it was not
for me. The pattern you use today came from me.

When carom players were on Simonis #1, same speed as pool 760 today,
with ivory cue balls or the phenolic balls of that day, on the
Brunswick tables made here with high soft rubber, 10 rails was
impossible. Hoppes average best score on that equipment was a barely
over 1.0 which is nothing today.

I thank you sir for coming to me with proper respect on this issue.
Most people in the Carom world do not and this causes me much distress
and anger. People saw the tapes of me doing it. I gave them the manual
and laid the shot in their laps. Now it's easy, then it was not
easy it was impossible. Same thing on breaking the 4 minute mile,
nobody could do it, when one did, then every one did and said this is
easy. The credit goes to who did it first, not to you now doing it.
Go out and run 3:59:59, do you get in the papers, no, they go, that's
nice. Roger Bannister got in the papers. If you now say, running 3
minutes is nothing, all of us can do it that insults and is not fair to
Roger, who broke an impossible barrier that could not be crossed. When
you say 11 is nothing, you pass on that same insult to me sir. All I
ask is for some simple respect that is long over due me here.

11 rails on a modern verhoven is still a nice shot, but as you said,
among the 3-cushion top players of today no big deal any more. 11
rails on a 9' pool table has only been duplicated once in the last
decade and that was by TASA world trick shot champion Rick Wright and I
taught him how to do it. If I had not coached him, he would not have
known how to make it. He also had tried to do it for 20 years to no
avail. On a pool table, the shot must be hit totally different than on
a verhoven. Same basic pattern, but you must do something different to
the cue ball on launch and at impact. On the verhoven you bring the
shot deep into the corner. Do that on a pool table and you scratch. On
the pool table you virtually have to hit off of both points of the
pocket and the accuracy of that is in its self, almost impossible.

Yes Sergio 11 rails is easy on your $10,000 brand new Verhoven with
heated slate and super fast 300 cloth. The table I set the record on
was a $1000 table 10 years old, with 760 cloth,10 year old dirty house
ball with nothing on it, no artemis rubber, my rubber was crap,
cheap,worn out and 10 years old, no heated slate, barely getting to 10
rails was a huge accomplishment. Look at my tape, the record table was
an old Gandy 10' snooker table where they had put billiard rails on
it. Those rails had been on for 10 years and in play from 8am to llpm,
it was in a college rec room. That table was worn out and slow, very
slow. Ask Paul Gerni, he saw it, he shot it.

My record was truly done on a sub standard piece of crap. When I set
the 11 rail record on that 3-cushion table Paul Gerni came in a few
weeks after that to check out the 3-cushion table and he could only
make 8 rails on it. He went back to my 9' Gandy big G pool table
where I had done 11 and could only make 9 rails clearing the rail by
1". He turned white, looked ill and said, I can't believe, you did
this on this equipment, what you did, was impossible. I looked at him
and said impossible for you, not for me, eat more Wheaties.

I was in a basement and had a moisture and humidity problems also. I
had nothing going for me. The carom tables today are lighting fast but
several years ago on simonois #1 they were not. The cloth billiards
was played on was the same as what 760 or Granita 2000 is today,
substantially slower than 300 is. The rails were dead compared to the
German hot Artemis rubber you are using which again was unknown in this
country only up to a few years ago.
We did not have these super hot very highly polished Aramith carom pro
balls; by comparison our old cue ball is like a 1970 Golf ball to a
2004 golf ball. 9 rails was a record I broke which had stood for 159
years.

I was the first to do it, and prove it by the Guinness world book of
standards. Nobody has ever filmed records with signed affidavits and
room full of witnesses before. I set the new standard on how to claim
and prove a record. None of this was done in a pool hall, all these
records were done at Georgia Tech University, the witnesses were
faculty, physics professors and the filming was done by TTN, and
independent organization. The tables, the cloth, the ball, everything
was inspected to insure, nothing had been done to enhance the shot or
equipment. I was clean as new fallen snow on these records.

What was my reward, I was called a liar and a fraud because nobody else
could to it at the time. 11 years later I am still being called a liar
and a fraud all because I can do the impossible and others cannot. I
am very bitter about this and I wish I had never broken this record;
all it has brought me is grief and sadness.

The 9' pool tables I do 11 rails on with a cheap house cloth, 10 year
old house ball and 10 year old cheap rubber. Go get on some cheap pool
tables and see how easy 11 rails is, you will find out you cannot do it
and probably can't even make 10. Hitting 9 on many is almost
impossible. Most good players can only hit 8. My cloth cost $30, your
300 cloth or granite M costs $300. You are comparing your $10,000
table with my $1000 table. Do you now understand, there is no
comparison here? The Brunswick sport king 9' pool table on my video
link where you see me hit 11 rails back to back, that table had the
original rails still on it, the table and rails was 35 years old. That
is the kind of crap I sat my world records on, tables from hell Sergio.


You are now comparing apples to oranges, You can say look, Tiger woods
hits a golf ball 335 yards today, but if you gave him the same ball and
club Jack Nicklaus used 15 years ago Tiger could only hit the ball 290
to 300. The same distance Jack hit back then. Tiger is not longer
than Jack, he just has better and more modern equipment, it is the same
with your new 3-cushion tables sergio. You can't compare what they
are doing in golf today against the past, same on the 11 rail shot,
conditions have changed in the billiard carom world. You can compare
today vs. past on pool tables, so go give that a wack and see for your
self, just how hard an 11 rail shot really is. Go try to do it on a
9' pool table from hell and watch your pecker begin to shrivel up, it
is now not as long as you thought it was. Now you have to dodge 6
holes, have fun. Go do that, and then you will see. That will alter
your current concept real quick those 11 rails are easy.

HISTORY OF BALL AND TABLE SPEED.
********************************************************************
The improvement of balls has led to improvements in performances. When
carom billiards gets faster, then you can shoot easy and hit 4 or 5
rails and your accuracy is higher in a soft stroke than a hard stroke.
The old Ivory balls were heavy and the finish on them was not slick.
When Aramith came out with the Modern Phenolic carom ball a few years
ago it had a super high gloss finish which made it a lot hotter ball
than used in the past and it rolled further so you could hit it softer.


That added a couple of diamonds in roll. Then they began to heat the
slates in Europe and that will add 4 more diamonds in roll. There is
6' already. Now change from the cloth they were using which was
simonis #1 which was the same as our 760 we are using in pool today to
the 300 they are now using and this cloth is so much faster and thinner
it probably gives you an entire table length more of extra roll that we
did not have in the past. The new European tables are using the finest
German Artemis tourney grade rubber cushions which are a lot hotter
than the cheap rubber that is on our American tables today. I never
had that tourney rubber; I did my records on worn out old rubber 10 to
35 years old. That hotter rubber is going to propel the cue ball
several diamonds further today that the old rubber did in the past.

This is why the players on the old equipment could only make 9, but put
that player on today's new fast equipment his same stroke could not
go down table the extra 10' to make 10 or 11 rails. Note, I was
never on a heated slate, I used 15 to 35 year old Brunswick used and
worn out tables and I always used the cheap house ball for my records
which was never enhanced. All of my pool 10 and 11 rail world records
were on $40 cheap house cloth. To compare what I did on these $1000
worn out pool tables and to now compare what you can do on a $10,000
Verhoven is a huge insult to me. Doing so is like comparing Jack
Nicklaus in 1980 with his persimmon head 945 driver against Tiger Woods
today with his titanium driver and much hotter ball.
The entire tour in 1980 could only drive the ball 265, the elite to
get out to 280, only Jack and a couple gorillas could reach 300. Today
the entire tour is past 300 and the elite are 325 to 330 and the
gorillas out to 360. The point is you can not compare the past to the
present when equipment advances and changes. Hoppe in his day in the
40's up to 1952 when he retired would score a tourney average of 1.3.
In the 70's with better tables balls and rubber Raymond Cuelemans
could reach 1.6. In the 90's with the heated slates, hot rubber, 300
cloths and hot balls they were now waxing and enhancing averages would
now go over 2.0 by Sang Lee and others. A big part of that scoring
advancement is credited with the hotter ball used today in the carom
world.

There are other shots on my web site; you need the code to open them.
I can email a video link where you can open and view an 11 rail
collection. Do not publish these pass words or codes or shots. People
must come to me via email to ask for them. I published the 11 rail
shot on my web site and in one week 10,000 people downloaded it to view
it. This shot was discussed on all of the chat boards, 10,000 players,
many of them top pros all went out to hit 11, guess what, not one of
them did, nobody could get even 10, all of them reported they could
barely get past 9. What was their conclusion, I cheated, and I am a
fraud and a liar, because they can't do it. That is my reward for
sharing my shot with a new generation; they insult me the same as the
last one did.

Putting that shot out and 10,000 people going into it drives my
bandwidth costs up so I had to lock all the shots down and only offer
one, the 4 ball bottle shot. To view the 11 rail shots and the other
collection, these are only offered to those who ask to see them
politely. Enjoy the shots. http://www.fastlarrypool.com
If you are a 3-C and you think you have a real big stroke then find a
10 year old pool table with a house cloth and use the house $5 cue ball
and bang off 11 like I did. If you can't, then you now know who da
man here is. If you do that, then fade my 12 rail bank, and just
don't say and lie you did it, film and prove it like I did.

May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your
back and

all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus
Maximus. " Latin for "I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors


all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If
you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in
his own land.

"All men, by their nature, desire to know." - Aristotle
"Know Thyself." - The First Delphic Precept

Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,

die free. In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Email

Doctor Schopenhauer

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Debra, when did you first start having these fantasies and dreams about
Yaks, Camels and Horses mounting you and doing the wild thing.

Perhaps you should come back to the clinic and have a long talk with
Doctor Artie. I have a nice warm couch for you waiting.

Tommy T

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yO dOCTOR aRTIE.

fRIGGEN kING kONG COULD NOT GET THAT crazy bitch off.

Tommy Da Tomato

www.tomatoexperminationsnewjoyzeestyle.com

Bong Soon

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Debra, come to think about it, about the only thing I could imagine
that would want to mount you would be a Yak, a camel, No no, you smell
too bad for even one of these bad boys to be interested. A Horse is
too smart. They won't breed down their gene pool.

You could nake your off spring, yak yak. See, you finally bought a
vowel.

Ah So, Bong Soon have spoken on subject. Arigato.

Yappinwolf

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Give it a break - nobody cares... now... go stick your head in a bucket
of elephant shit - that's where it belongs.

-YW-

Bong Soon

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ooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Don't you have a big German Shepherd, a male, wonder why he never ended
up as dog tail soup. We hear you call him Porkie.

Doctor Schopenhauer

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Doctor Arthur shopenhauer PHD, Psychiatric doctor
Director of the Beverly Hills Clinic


Dear Debra, you really must come back into the clinic and resume your
mental health treatments and continue with your anger management course
we had you on. You were making such fine progress and then you went
back on the Gin and back to your old ways.

You current psychosis has five current problems:

(1) Having dreams about making love with a male Yak is not normal and
is a early warning you are about to lose it again like you did the last
time. We need to get you back on the nice warm couch and begin talking
about this problem. We under stand your husband Black Jack Davis
Sapolis is crippled from long term drug abuse and are impotent which
happens to all of them. We need to deal with your sexual frustration.

(2) Why must you every day stalk FL on this forum attack him. He does
not attack you, you always draw first blood. For you to continue to do
this, only proves to the world that the story about you being the evil
sick vampire of hate is true.

He is working here, you are not. He does not come into your Chinese
sweat shop and kick the abacus out of your hands every morning. So why
do you do that to him on RSB?

He is teaching here, helping players, spending his time in a positive
way, charging nobody, giving up his knowledge for free, and making a
contribution to RSB.

What are you here Debra. You are what they call a board boil. You
know nothing about pool. You have not hit a ball in a year. So why
are you here? You do not teach, you do not ask questions, you do not
contribute, you do nothing positive. You are totally negative downer.
On RSB, you are totally worthless. Just leave, every one here hates
your guts and has you plonked, so do not remain where you are not
wanted and not loved. Go back to posting on your S&M sites you get
along so well on.

(3) Your honor and ethics and integrity. You have none and no person
can contribute to any society with out these. With out them, you then
are nothing but a jungle animal, a simple predator out on the prowl.
You are daily attacking a competitor which is totally uncalled for,
illegal and immoral. Your name is Mrs. Black Jack David Sapolis. He
competes with FL on sites to have their works published. You are
jealous FL writes better, he has more articles to offer, he is on tour
and your hubbie is not. So you run your competitor down with non stop
lies, slanders, libels and trash. Not only did that condemn your soul
to hell, it also condemned your reputation to hell as well once it was
revealed what you two were doing. Calling people up trying to get fl
fired. Telling sites, if they did not drop FL, Black jack would walk.
Telling sites when FL came on, the same thing, if he comes in here, we
leave. These things you just do not do if you wish to be known as
people of honor? If you want to be known as pool hustlers, cons and
predators, then you do these things to people. Your husband, black
jack David Sapolis directs you to do these attacks on his computer at
home. You too play this little game, he good cop, you bad cop.
Your little game you two are running, is out in the open now and this
is trashing his name now along with yours which is beyond repair or
redemption.

If he is not involved in these attacks, then he can prove it now by
shutting you down completely. He can insist, you stop all attacks and
stalking of FL on RSB to stop now. He can insist you never get on
another FL thread again and have no further interactions or internet
internet intercourse with him ever again. If he does this, then he is
a man of honor. If he does not, then he is the POS as charged earlier.


Any you must make him take down the lie about him running over 200
balls or prove it. Do one of the two. He is caught in a bad lie and
you need to either prove it's not a lie, or erase that lie from the
high run site. You can not be married to a liar, a fraud and a phony,
and then be running around calling FL that when he has proved every
record he has ever done.

(4) There is a Xmas truce going on here at RSB. Every one is
partaking in it but you. Even your partner in crime, the convicted
criminal Eric T Hu is complying. He has fallen silent and is no longer
attacking FL on RSB. He is still harassing him by calling his phones
50 times a day daily, but he as least followed what was asked of him.
To take his vendetta off RSB and direct to the source of his problem.
Every one hear is sick to death of you two Chinese and your stupid non
stock lies and attacks. They have all read them 1000 times, so stop
beating a dead Yak

We understand you are a Chinese, an atheist and the meaning and spirit
of Xmas is lost on you. You could care less about the Christians on
this board. The fact that you can not stop and be a peace for two
weeks, simply again confirms what every one has said about you. You
are a sick, psycho. You are, and you refuse Doctor Arties help. Just
leave RSB, do not come back. You think Xmas is exchanging gifts and
putting up a tree to impress your round eye neighbors. It is a
celebration of the savior's birthday. So don't be the odd vampire
out, obey the wish of the board, obey the Xmas truce.

(5) You must lose your obsession with FL. You begged for his body and
he refused your sexual advances towards him. Now a little scorned
woman hell has no wrath or fury is expected in such a situation but
after a few weeks of boo hoo, normal woman get over it and get out
there and get laid by anything with a pulse or who can fog a mirror
with out passing out. . Fl, Debra is all women's ultimate fantasy
and object of total desire. He is the ultimate male specimen and of
course, hung like a horse. So many horny women out there and so little
of Larry to go around. He does what he can, but he can not possibly
take care of the demand put upon him. You just get over this rejection
and lose your obsession with him. Being pissed off about this for two
years is a little extreme. He only beds young women, not old ones like
you over the hill and 40. You are 20 over his age limit. He only beds
tall women; he is a leg man, a 4' 10" tall dwarf like you turns him
off.. He only beds women with big hooters that stand up there, firm
and ride high. You have no tits Debra. He only beds American women,
blonds or red heads. You are Chinese with black hair. So you have no
chance with him. Get over it, move on, and get a life.
Stop making a federal case out of it.

Reminds me of a song:

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need

You can't always get what you want (no, no baby)
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need, ah yes...

Yappinwolf

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Tell us all about that Larry

shiattferbrains

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Where does one register for such a distinction?
Are there any tests involved? What are the
educational requirements?

On 15 Dec 2006 11:52:34 -0800, "Yappinwolf"

Doctor Schopenhauer

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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Where here is the classic Debra Li attack supported by her convicted
criminal in intenet crime, Eric T Hu, both of you are breaking the Xmas
peace here. And as usual, none of my fine advice was paid attention to
by Debra. Just keep disrecpecting all the fine people on RSB with your
trash attacks and keep showing to the world that Mrs. David BlackJack
Sapolis of Plano, Texas, is a stalking psycho who can not stop.

Debra, about all I can now possible think that might help you is I can
remove your steel plate and perform a frontal lobotomy from the
inside. I can cut you a real deal on the price since the top of your
head now has an easy access door hinge on it.

Doctor Schopenhauer

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And also debra when you post : "Fast Larry" Guninger is a registered
pedophile

You have posted this a hundred times, and you can not show any evidence
that this is true, you then convict your self of being a liar, and a
very evil person to publish such an untrue slander and libel. It shows
the world, what has been said about you, Mrs David Black Jack Sapolis
of Plano, Texas is true, you are a psycho stalker internet terrorist.

fast...@gmail.com

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AFFIRMATIONS FOR TOTAL POOL PERFORMANCE

3 Pages 11-1-04 CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved. Bpn,


czm, upp, rsb, ppt, btt.

Several athletes have gone around for years telling them selves 25
times a day they are going to be the worlds champion and that did later
happen for them. Dare to dream it and it can happen. Be careful what
you dream for dreams do come true. Ted Williams told himself 50 times
a day he was the greatest hitter of all time. A few years later he
became the last person to hit .400 and that dream came to reality.
Williams spent more time in the batting cage working on his swing than
any other player and that did not hurt either. Nothing comes with out
paying a price for it. You can just wish for success alone, you have
to have talent and work hard to master your sport of pool.

These dreams are affirmations of what you wish to be and will become.
You are over time brain washing your own head to believe them and to
accept these things as fact before their time. You have to right now
believe you are the best. You have to build up your confidence,
practice and play hard to achieve success. You must now double the
time and preparations before any match. Right now you must think like
the world champion, train like him and expect to be him. You have to
walk like him, talk like him and be like him. You are the best there
is and you keep telling your self that. You goals may be smaller and
could be to be the best in your room, or team, or in your league. No
matter what, they will work with any goal you set.

These are positive statements only you hear you're self make, you do
not brag these to the world to hear. They are private thoughts. Any
elite athlete on the world stage today has an entire series of positive
affirmations given to him to use by his sports psychologist. They
remove any old negative thoughts and destructive behaviors.
Affirmations erase and eliminate all negative talk that you get from
your monkey brain. Today sit down and develop a series of I now am
statements and begin reciting them.

I am the man, I am the greatest, I never choke, I never dog the money
ball, etc. When you say you are now the world champion your brain will
soon believe this and when you get a shot at that title your body will
allow you to play at a level to obtain the championship. You begin by
making 20 goals and none have been achieved yet. The top 5 are easy
and they get harder as they go along. # 20 would be becoming the world
champion. Each day discuss #1 as it has already occurred and its now
reality. Then do that on all of the top 5 goals. When you knock them
out, move on to the next 5 and so on.

To be the very best in the world you first have to believe and sell to
your own self now, that now, right now, you are the best in the world.
You must be firm in that and never leave any room for doubt. You have
your affirmation list in your billfold, in your pool case and next to
your bed where you read it every night. When you awake a copy is
pasted next to your bathroom mirror where the first thing you read
every morning is what you are now becoming.

Words like I can't, I am tired, I can't win, I can't make that
shot, this guy is too good, I am scared and a host of other useless
downers must be stricken from your vocabulary now.

This is going to build up your belief in you and your self-confidence.
Here is a sample list of general affirmations some may use.

I am faster than a speeding bullet
I am more powerful that a locomotive
I am super man, the man of steel
I am in super shape
I have more endurance; I can play any one into the dirt.
I can out drink any man alive
I can out shoot any man alive
I can have more focus and concentration than you
I can stay in the deep zone for 2 l/2 hrs and play perfect
I can work and try harder than any other man
I am the man.
I have put in the time and I deserve to win
I have the best coach and training and I will win
I practice better than any one else and I will win
I am ready to win.
I have more guts than you and I will win
I am smarter than you and I will win
I have won many times before and I will again tonight
I never shoot my self in the foot
I never choke the game ball
I never choke the money ball
I never choke the cheese
I close, get me close and I win every time
I never miss
I have the greatest defensive game of all
I have the greatest offensive game of all
I can run more racks than you.
I am UN hook able
I never give up I will just wear you out.
The first mistake you will make I will pounce on and burn you bad
I am a bull dog, a pit bull, a snapping turtle, once I get a hold of
you its all over.
I am more determined to win than you.
I want if more than you do.
I deserve it more than you do.
I will totally intimidate you and break you down mentally
I am now prepared to win, want to win, and so it's a done did deal
I feel great, full of confidence, everything coming up roses tonight
I will get all the lucky rolls and I am a very lucky person
I am unbeatable, you have no chance, and you just don't know that
yet.
I am the terminator, you are terminated F**ker. Hasta La Vista, Baby.

Some will add the power of the Lord and have him in their corner as
their coach. For many that is their extra edge that allows them total
success.

"I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength. "
Philippians 4:13"

"for as a man thinks within himself, so he is." Proverbs 23:7

"If you can? Said Jesus, Everything is possible for him who
believes." Mark 9:23


THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL WWW.FASTLARRYPOOL.COM

POOL LESSONS FROM A MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR AND WORLD CHAMPION.


770-381-6609
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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May

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AIM HOW DO THE PROS DO IT?

5 pages preface by Fast Larry Guninger 10-14-04 published in DC, bpn,
czm, upp, rsb.

The most difficult thing any one new to the game faces is trying to
make cuts. They just can not see the cut angles. I have long written
and taught that you have to pot a million balls until the game gets
easy and you see the cut angles. How long does that take most people
who don't play every day, 10 to 14 years? I teach when you miss a
cut in practice, keep setting it up until you make it. If you miss a
cut in a match, diagram it and then make your self shoot it 100 times.
You must drill these cut angles into your brain. There is no shortcut
to this, no magic system that gives it to you over night. To really
learn and master any shot or cut angle, you must shoot that shot 375 to
500 times. You can not practice these too much.

I agree with almost all of what is written by Mizerak, Massey, Ellin
and Hopkins on how to aim. Greenleaf lined up this way. If he then
wanted to use one tip right English to twirl the cut in, when he moved
the shaft now one tip over right maintaining that same parallel line to
center, he allowed his head to float with the shaft and both settled in
on this new line of aim. This in time happens automatically with no
conscious thought or direction.

My POL aim system is not covered here which is part of my system I only
go into one on one with a private lesson with a student.
The Ghost ball method taught today does not work and is flawed. Anyone
teaching it then does not have a clue what throw or cling is.
I use a modified ghost ball aim system that takes into account cling.
More on that later.
There are so many other issues here the pro's did not get into but
they did give you a lot.

This discussion about aim occurred on RSB and here is a copy of that
post.
>In the July 1995 issue of P&B is an article by Shari Stauch that
>is the best thing I've seen in print about the question, "How do
>the pro's aim?"

Several people were interested in the Pool and Billiard article that
had aiming 'secrets' of several pros. I found the article, which is in
the July, 1995 issue. For brevity, I'll just post the relevant points.
For my 2 cents worth, I don't see any secrets here. Just look at the
spot you need to hit, and practice until it becomes second nature.
Anyway, here goes:

Excerpts from article written by Shari J. Stauch (who hopefully won't
mind this):

AIMING- THE SECRET OF POOL? OR BASIC INSTINCT...
Dozens of Top Pros Give Up Their Aiming Secrets.

[Paraphrasing the opening paragraphs]: The "ghost ball" teaching method
is best, and several, though not all pros agree. Instinct eventually
takes over when aiming, but it is nice to have a system to fall back on
when you're not seeing the shots very well that day.

THE GHOST BALL AND OTHER CREATIVE VISIONS
Vicki Paski: I picture the ghost ball; seeing a ball behind the object
ball that I want to replace with my cue ball.
This is easier for most people than finding an exact spot on a round
object that you must hit with another round object.

Dawn Hopkins agrees: The ways I do it is look at object ball to pocket,
and picture the ghost ball, and then extend a line straight from the
cue ball to the object ball.

Roger Griffis: slight variation to this. I use the ghost ball and
dissect the ball into 90 degrees. Both kind of give you a picture of
where you hit the ball, then, once you learn it you begin to play by
feel.

Bonnie Arnold: sticks with visualizing where the ball has to hit the
pocket when I'm aiming, I look at the pocket and I visualize where the
ball has to go in the pocket. Then I look at the spot on the object
ball, and visualize the cue ball to the object ball to the pocket.

Steve Mizerak: The way I find the target or contact point on the OB
(object ball) is to visualize an imaginary line from the back of the
pocket through the OB. During my warm up strokes, my eyes move back
and forth between the cue ball and the target point. I use one or two
low strokes, as if I'm going to draw the ball, on all shots because
that gives me confidence in hitting the cue ball correctly -- because
the bottom of the cue ball is the
Strongest foundation to build on. [My note - I still don't understand
why
Some pro's do this] I have no special tricks for cutting the ball or
Shooting a ball down a rail....It's very hard to tell a person how to
aim.
Pocketing balls is an instinctive skill that is learned from trial and
Error. It can't be mastered from playing once a week. Instead of
hitting twenty balls to learn a shot, I hit two hundred balls. I
haven't found an easier way yet.

BASIC INSTINCTS
"Steve brings up a solid point that was repeated by many professionals.
Aiming has become second nature, muscle memory has taken over. Trial
and error over hundreds of thousands of shots made and missed by top
pros over dozens of years of competition -- heck, who needs to
visualize anymore?..."

Kelly Oyama: There is no set way for me. I just look at the pocket and
look at the ball and assume I then know where to hit it. But I'd like
to read the article-- maybe there's a better way.

Lorie Jon Jones: Aiming comes naturally for me, where I've always just
known where to hit. It's very difficult for me to teach people to aim
because of this.

Mike Massey: I've tried a lot of systems but mostly you have to play
from feel. You have to practice all types of feel, practice all type
of hits. To start you can use the angle of the half ball hit a lot
because it's easy to judge. You just build your instincts and you
muscle memory -- that's
What I did.

Tony Ellin: I would say that aim is basically trial and error and
instinct, using your judgment, I may look at the path from the pocket
through the object ball, but I hardly do that anymore. You develop an
instinct for aiming from playing all the time.

Howard Vickery: There's no real way for me to explain it except to hit
it with the right impact. Your hand-eye coordination compensates for
the difference in the roundness of the balls.

"...whatever your original aiming method...does the hand-eye
coordination eventually begin to compensate for failings in your
method, optical illusions or tired eyes? If so, how long does it
take?"

Earl Strickland: I've played so much that I don't have to think about
it. But I also spin the balls in, as I think many of the pros do;
they're using so much English all the time. Pros spin the ball in the
hole and that's mostly from feel. If you're really going to learn to
aim, you have to know better how to spin the ball, and what effect
that's having on the OB. Amateurs who don't spin the ball will have an
easier time with straight aiming.

Mark Jarvis: I aim by portions of the ball, I don't aim at one
particular spot -- but then again, I'm on the loser's side! But
seriously, the portion of the ball I'm looking at depends on where I'm
sending the cue ball. For me, most of it is feel and memory from
shooting each shot many times. X MARKS THE SPOT - in contrast to a
portion of the ball and basic instinct theory is the "single spot."

Ewa Mataya Laurance offers the most detailed explanation of this
theory. Aiming is a four-step process. First, draw a line from pocket
through the center of the ball to find the spot you want to hit. Then
make up your mind, before you get down on the shot, as to whether or
not you need to apply English. Find your new exact spot and just keep
your eye on that. Once you're down on the shot, move your eyes back and
forth between cue ball and OB. Everybody says look at the OB, but
that's not enough, look at that tiny spot. If you miss then, it could
be a problem with your mechanics, not your aim.

Nikki Benish: This is how I learned, but I doubt if I use it anymore
because when you're a pro every shot you see you've seen and shot a
least a hundred times before. On the toughest shots I was taught to
try to pick out a spot on the OB, combined with the imaginary cue ball
method. By finding the spot, I mean like if the OB was a stripe ball,
maybe I could mark my aim spot as right at the edge of the stripe and
the white on the ball, or say to myself, on this one, hit just to the
left of the number.

Allen Hopkins: "I aim at a spot on the OB with center cue ball. A lot
of it
Is feel, when you play as often as I do? You start finding that spot
real easily. Occasionally I'll aim the cue stick toward the pocket
through the ball to find that spot.

George Breedlove: I know when I'm shooting, I'm looking at the OB when
I pull the trigger, but I find my spot on the ball on the table,
looking at the base of the ball where it touches the table, not at any
actual spot on the ball.

Tommy Kennedy: I look at the OB straight ahead, and then look little
by little to the right or left of the ball. I keep going until I see
the spot where it's going to hit the bigger part of the pocket.

Michelle Adams: I stand behind where the cue ball and OB are in a
straight line, and then I move to where I know I have to hit it.
Somebody explained this to me once, and I thought it wasn't very smart,
but it works!

Jim Rempe: First of all you have to aim differently with different
cues, because some cues deflect more than others. A cue also deflects
more or less depending on how hard you hit the ball. I play with a
Meucci, that doesn't deflect, so I aim directly at the contact point.
I also use the ghost ball theory, but it's more repetitious in you mind
when you play a lot. In other words, I don't really visualize the ball
anymore, it's automatic.

Belinda Bearden: I pick out the point on the OB in line where the
pocket must be struck. Depending on the angle, you can tell which part
of the cue ball must hit the OB. But any time English is applied, a
slight adjustment for deflection must be made. Depending on the amount
of English applied, you will be aiming with a different part of the cue
ball to hit the OB.

AIMING WITH WHITEY
Another theory, aiming with the cue ball:

Nesli O'Hare: The technique I use was taught to me by Efren Reyes.
According to Efren, there are three kinds of hits on any OB. First,
there's looking at the center of cue ball to the point of aim if the
shot is a full ball hit. If not, you can divide the OB into four
quarters, sighting your cue ball edge to the point of aim. When using
inside English with a medium to hard stroke, you don't change the point
of aim. With outside English, you aim a sixteenth of an inch fuller on
the OB than you normally would. But, all bets are off when using a soft
stroke, because of deflection, etc.

Efren Reyes: further explains...When you put a lot of English on the
cue ball you adjust a little bit, often aiming exactly at the contact
point of an OB. So it very much depends on my next shot how I will
aim.

Sammy Jones: (husband/coach of Lorie Jon Jones) agrees. It depends on
the shot itself. When aiming at a straight in shot, you're aiming both
balls directly in the center. If aiming at a thin cut shot, you
imagine the edge of the cue ball hitting the edge of the OB.

Ray Martin: I use parts of the cue ball. In other words, if you were
to have a straight in shot, you're aiming with the middle of the cue
ball to the middle of the OB. Now let's say the OB stays in the same
place and you move the cue ball six inches to the left. Now you're
aiming with only a part of the cue ball. I'm not going to stress 1/2
ball, 1/4 ball here, because that's way too broad -- the difference
could be two degrees or a sixteenth of an inch! The important thing to
remember is the spot on the OB never changes. It is a constant.

ON CUE
...Some aim with the cue stick itself, but with a great diversity in
their methods.

Reed Pierce: I take the cue stick and try to line it up in line. I
just pick the spot in the center of the OB, and aim towards that. Even
if you need to cut a ball real thin, you just still need a square hit,
so you aim for the contact point with your cue.

Robin Bell: When I line up on the cue ball to the OB, I first visualize
the actual location on the OB where I need to hit it. Then I put my
cue down towards that spot. When I'm down shooting I'm sending the cue
straight through the cue ball to that spot on the OB. Picturing it
that way allows me to always follow through.

Mary Guarino: I aim with the shaft of my cue stick. If you're hitting
a straight-in shot, obviously, you cue is in the center. I imagine the
cue ball is in quarters. In example for 15 degree cuts, you split the
quarter. For a thirty degree cut I split the edge with my shaft and 45
degree cuts I use the edges of my shaft.

Nick Varner: What I do is use parallel lines. The first line I see is
a line from the edge of the cue ball toward the contact point on the
OB. I keep my shaft on a parallel line to that and if you're cutting
the ball to the left of that line, it will be on the right. But if
you're using left English, it will be the same line, and with center or
right English, it will be parallel. Once I shoot, my eyes are actually
focused on the contact point on the OB.

YET ANOTHER ANGLE
Lorie Jon Jones: Sometimes I look at the angle between the cue ball, OB
and pocket, and stroke through to that spot, looking at the OB last.

Jeff Carter: [edited out first part]...What you look at first or last,
the cue ball or OB varies from shot to shot. On a long shot, of course
I'm going to watch the cue ball go up to the OB. Let your eyes do what
they want to do naturally, but keep you head down, that's what's most
important.

Michelle Adams: [leans towards looking at the OB last], except on the
break shot, or a masse or jump shot, where you need to pay more
attention to where you cue tip will contact the cue ball.

Sammy Jones opts for honesty. "I wish I knew! I'd lean towards
looking at the OB last, but I have never figured that out. What's
interesting to note is that when the top pros line up, Buddy Hall is a
good example, the cue tip is the distance of a razor blade's width from
the cue ball."

Lorie Jon then explains that this only proves the OB last theory.
"It's like that trick shot where you line up, take the cue out of your
bridge hand, slide it back in, look away and shoot. Once you've lined
up, you don't need to see that cue ball, a top player is going to know
they're there."

Summing up the more commonly heard theory is Allen Hopkins who says, "I
look first at the cue ball, then OB, then back and forth from the cue
ball to OB, always looking at the OB last."

THE FINAL SECRET
There you have it, the secrets of aiming from dozens of the top players
who do it best. But then again, is the secret really out? #2 ranked
CJ Riley offers that you must aim before you get down on the ball by
lining up correctly, of course, but adds that as far as his aiming
method itself,
"There are certain things you don't tell. Last time I wrote anything
about aiming; somebody copied it and started selling it."
I considered Chinese water torture, but I don't think he would've
cracked.
I guess the secret may still be out there...somewhere. [End of
Article]
The article paraphrased and quoted above was written by Sheri J.
Stauch.

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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. " Latin for "I came, I saw, I


conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can
believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. "

Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy


then there is no way for you to lose.

Either lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the
three please. Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me
and become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.
"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words
of Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds
of people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those
who wonder what happened."

Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,

leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well with your boots on owing
no man nothing. May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead. In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't

take your self, or anything too serious, just be happy and healthy.


Laughter good whiskey and song is the best medicine. Be sure to take

the time, to smell the flowers along the way. Aristole said "

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AIM: THE GHOST BALL: A FLAWED METHOD

7 pages, 6-10-05, CR, all rights reserved Fast Larry Guninger,
published in DC, bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, btt.

In my article Aim, how the pros do it? They all tell you they have no
system. They have played so long they just see the cut angles. They
are now playing by feel, which is the only way to play a top game. You
just see the shot, its lined up and seen from an upright position, you
fall into it and pull the trigger within 3 seconds after your hand
plants with no conscious thought about it. Slap down, stroke stroke
stroke, bang pot; it does not go any deeper than this.

Many of the pros in that article, especially the women say they use the
Ghost ball method. They do and they don't. They used to, then as
their games progressed, their hand eye changed the aim lines so they
now began to use the ghost ball system correctly so the method worked.
Their mind is automatically taking in account the thrown and cling and
making the aim adjustment automatically for them. They are not using
the Flawed ghost ball method, they are using the correct one. The
problem is it takes time to figure this out and most never do. If you
play night and day for 14 years, your brain figures it out and makes
the aim alterations for you. Some of you may want this now and not 14
years from now.

The most difficult thing any one new to the game faces is trying to
make cuts.

They just can not see the cut angles. I show them the contact point
and they still miss the shot. You have to practice a lot before you
begin to see these cut angles and then start making them. I have long
written and most top teachers agree with me that you have to pot a


million balls until the game gets easy and you see the cut angles

perfectly.

How long does that take. For most people who do not play every day, 10
to 14 years. Just add up the balls you are now potting every week and
they you will know when you arrive as a good player. If you pot 500
balls a day that is 182,250,000 a year. You will have your mil in the
bag in 6 years. If you want to fast track your progress, there is the
secret, pot 500 balls a day, 24/7. That means, you rack up 15 balls,
break them, keep shooting until you pot all 15, now rack up and repeat
this 32 more times a day. Pot, 33 full racks of 15 balls.

After that, then go out and match up all night long, that is how you
get good at this game, put in the time. Remember serious pros on the
way up in pool or golf, pot or strike 1000 balls a day. When they hit
the tour as a teenager, they have 2 or 3 million balls made. This also
means you must have a practice table at home. The young hot shot kids
I see coming up now in their teens playing a pro level game already,
are practicing 8 hours a day, 24-7.

When the beginner misses a simple cut he must keep setting it up until
he makes it. Then he has to shoot it over and over, until he can make
it repeatedly. As he gets better and he misses a cut he is supposed to
make he needs to diagram it on the spot and the next day shoot that
miss 100 times. Every miss, he must do this. In time, these misses
then go away. You must drill these cut angles into your brain and this
must be done every day. There is no shortcut to this, no magic aim
system that gives it to you over night. Many sell one, and they are
all worthless cons. Only a beginner needs an aiming system. When you
run your first rack, turn it loose and then play by feel and think
about nothing any more.

The desperate buy those aim systems for the same reason the balding man
buys a hair restorer. He's knows he probably getting coned, but
he's desperate. If you have a teaching pro or are reading an author
who teaches the ghost ball aim method with out taking into account
cling and throw, you have a loser on your hands who does not know
squat, don't buy another book or take another lesson from this
turkey. Find somebody who knows what in the hell this game is all
about and how to teach it correctly.

That are so many things in pool that have been taught wrong for decades
and this is one of them. Bad dumb teachers, accept these incorrect
concepts and pass them on and generation after generation of players
are doomed to play poorly. They are good players who listen to bad
dumb teachers who turn them into bad players like the teacher who
probably can't run 3 fookin balls himself. Many of the top most
acclaimed teachers in the big magazine, fit this description, most of
them don't even play pool but are 3-cushion billiard players and even
lower level amateurs at this game also.

THE GHOST BALL SYSTEM, HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.

You set up a normal cut shot and visualize a ghost ball, one that
arrives at the proper contact point so if you draw a line through the
two balls, the line of the centers would hit the center of the pocket.
We will now pot the one ball in corner pocket A; the 5 ball will be our
invisible ghost ball. You now aim the cue ball to take the place of
the 5, that is the Ghost ball method. The only problem is, it only
works using running English. Oh, they forgot to tell you that,
didn't they.

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THROWS: They will vary widely depending on the weather conditions and
from table to table. If it begins to rain, or you are in the South in
a high humidity place, moisture will coat the balls and water kills all
throw. This is why you never clean the balls with Windex, all throw is
gone. This is why you play poorly when it's raining, you are missing
your cuts and do not know why. Throw is gone, so you just need to
remember to over cut everything. Life is now simple in the rain.

Put chalk dust on the contact point between the two balls and the cut
angle can be increased as much as two full diamonds. It can cut a ball
at some wild angles you can not believe. This is why some of your
normal shots are missing the entire pocket. You don't keep the cue
ball clean and are over chalking your tip. On impact the tip makes a
chalk circle that stays on the ball. Soon you have several of them.
You get them from breaking mostly. If one of them rolls over and lands
on the contact point of the object ball, the OB is thrown off the line
and misses the entire pocket. You say, no way I could miss the entire
pocket that far. That is why and how.

Steve Davis told me he lost the world English Snooker championship in
85 when he had a straight in pot black to win, and missed the entire
pocket. Yes, Steve can miss a simple shot, but no way he can miss the
entire pocket. Steve said, the chalk dot on the CB rolled over and
threw him out. He said if he ever has that shot again, he will not
chalk up and hit center ball. Old timers used to say the reason few
rarely ran any more than 200 balls at 14.1 was about every 200th shot,
something totally weird, or unexplained occurs and you miss this simple
straight in shot so bad, so far, you can not believe your eyes. Years
later, I realized what they were talking about was the chalk throw and
they did not know or understand it. Put a very thin light coat on your
tip, do not grind on a thick coat.

Snooker pro's do know this, it is not uncommon for them to ask the
ref to lift and clean a dot off the CB, 2 or 3 times during a frame. I
am now seeing players on the UPA pro 9 ball tour now asking Scott to
lift and clean. Players are getting smart as they become better
educated and the game is now played world wide. The pros see how other
players in other lands are playing the game.

Keep cleaning the cue ball all the time and chalk lightly and if you
see a spot on the cue ball clean it after the game before the rack up.
Every time you get cue ball in hand, put it in your pocket or in your
shirt tail and be cleaning it, or use an old towel.

Dirty balls throw more than clean balls do which is why being a trick
shot artist; my shows depend on balls that throw. I want them throwing
the same every day and to insure this, I carry my own set and never
clean them. If they get a smudge or chalk mark, I just clean that
place. Yes, they look clean, but they are just dirty enough to throw
well for me.

For those of you who play in pool halls, most never clean the balls and
a bar never does. I have seen balls in a bar that had never been
cleaned in 20 years that were throwing so much they were unplayable
even by me. Every place you go the balls will throw different. Most
places serve food and they eat greasy hamburgers and fries getting
grease on the balls. Most places rarely clean the tables and the
excess chalk dust gets on the balls. It's a damn wonder you guys can
make a ball.

CLING: Most places that have dirty balls means they also cling, or
stick together at impact just for a very brief moment, then separate,
but when they do release each other, the cue ball has dragged the
object ball off of the original aim line. It releases the OB on a new
altered path, different from the one you aimed at.

Hitting our shot with center ball no longer will pot it in the middle,
it will pot in the right side, which is why you miss and point out a
lot on these shots, your margin of error is now gone. The red line is
where the CB will travel. Pro's and better players in time realize
this and to prevent the cling, they simply hit all their cuts with
running English, or in this angle and half or full tip of right
running. They call it twirling the shot in. This right English throws
the OB back left on the original yellow path line. Life is now simple
for them.

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If for positional reasons they have to move the cue ball and angle up
short and have to hit center ball, they now have a problem with this
shot because many do not understand it. You aim at the Ghost ball; it
clings or slides to the right, red line. You over cut all center ball
cuts and aim left of the original yellow line, your new aim line are
the yellow line with the two dots on it. The shot clings and pulls
over right and releases on the original middle yellow aim line. Tattoo
this under your eyelids, on all center ball cuts, over cut. Life is
now simple.

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Here is where it really gets hairy, the reverse English cut. Usually
you employ this shot to shut down the cue balls run and kill the angle
out to hit a positional point. When you watch Efren play he uses these
shots a lot. It is a vital shot any top player must have and master.
Most of the amateur world does not have this shot nor do they even try
it. They gave up on it a long time ago. Why, because they failed at
the shot most of the time, they just stopped using it. Here is why you
fail at it, because nobody ever stopped to explain throw and cling to
you. You set up the Ghost ball, center ball it aims down the original
yellow line, cling pulls it right to the red line, now you are hitting
reverse left English, that throws the OB a lot more to the right into
the right side point.

Solution, you almost double over cut. You would aim at the left facing
and then cling and throw back right on the original aim line. Sorry,
there is no room in the pocket on the Wei table to diagram this for
you. Life is now simple.

When this is finally explained to most of my students and they
understand it, the light bulb comes on and they realize why they have
been failing at these shots. To some, it is like a religious
experience, where the sky opens up and this ray of light filled with
knowledge hits them in the eyes. They find it hard to believe nobody
has taught this to them as this knowledge is vital in order to progress
in the game. Or you can play 24-7, 14 hours a day and in 14 years, you
will just figure it out on your own.

Close up as in our diagram I use all 3 English methods to cut, reverse,
center, running. They are used to put the cue ball in specific places.


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Hitting each shot with a soft stroke, on my 9' gold crown, 760
simonis, pp-4 Meucci with a Talisman X tip, A is using one tip reverse,
B is center ball, C is one tip high right English. You need to set up
cuts around the table and then hit the shot 3 ways and keep doing this
until you log in these tangent angles and tracks in your brain so they
are memorized.

When I get further away, or 4 diamonds or further, I only use center
ball to cut with, unless I am forced to use English. I use the
Greenleaf golden angle method of play which maintains a constant cut
angle so you can go from ball to ball using center ball, or float side
ways, long rail to long rail. It's a simple system great players
like buddy Hall use and most of the current female stars do as well.
They are using only center ball and avoid English by keeping the angles
in place to insure this. When you lose the angle, yes, then you have
to use English to get back in line.
Long cuts I only use an open hand bridge which gives me a better aim
down the cue not having the index finger looping over the shaft.

If I have to use English, I will use only 3 or 6:00, with a perfect
level cue to eliminate deflection or squirt. I make all my cuts center
ball on the long ones, no matter how tough the cut is. I can cut in 83
degrees doing this, which is the maximum you can cut and have the OB
travel more than 2'. Yes, it is impossible to cut 90 degrees and
travel more than 2', it can't be done and I can prove it. Beyond
85, it's not there.

Few of you even have a clue, what a 90 degree cut even looks like. Yes
I saw Efren do it once to everyone's amazement, but he chalked the
cut point and I did not say anything as I never blow another mans con.
Just shoot those very long tough cuts harder than usual, if you hit the
cut point, the shot will pot. The balls are round and they will roll.
Yes, if you use running English it will thrown the ball in more for
you, but you are curving the cue ball on the way down and you are
making hitting the contact point now very hard. Unless you are a pro
practicing 14 hours a day, give this concept of twirling in long shots
up and go to center ball. I only twirl shots in which are up close.

Yappinwolf

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Fook yoo Fass Rarry

Tommy T

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Yappinwolf wrote:
> Fook yoo Fass Rarry


You no longer deserve a response.

Yappinwolf

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Dear Tommy Da Rotten Tomata

Fook Yoo too.

-YW-

Tommy T

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You no longer get a response

Yappinwolf

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Tommy Da Rotten Tomata wrote:

...... You no longer get a response....


ROTFLMAO!!!!

You will respond. You always do.

You can't help yourself.

-YW-

Tommy T

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Insane vampires, get no response.

That was not a response, just a change in the header you keep trying to
take down.

Yappinwolf

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It was a response, dumb ass.

Tommy T

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Yappinwolf wrote:
> It was a response, dumb ass.

A insane vampire, gets no more responses. Do not feed da vampire.
Starve the bitch.

Yappinwolf

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Respond again dummy.

fast...@gmail.com

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poolguyusaone

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In article <1166572939.9...@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,
fast...@gmail.com wrote:

> SHOULD THE CUE BALL BE ON THE OBJECT BALL
> AT IMPACT?


Jesus - just how simple are you, anyway?

OF COURSE THE CUE BALL SHOULD BE ON THE
OBJECT BALL AT IMPACT.


You. A pro....? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

poolguyusaone

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> All of the top men on UPA 9 ball tour and all
> top pro snooker players shoot in this same time frame.


Oh yeah - Hall, Varner, Sigel - - those guys just get down
and two-bang the ball.

God, you're simple.


AND STUPID.

heh heh heh

Bong Soon

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Who are you? Eric T Hu, who can't run 3 friggen balls?

Bong Soon

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**********************************************************************************
None of the above listed 3 play on the UPA 9 ball tour. Hall is over
500 lbs and can barely walk and had to drop off the IPT, Varner had a
stroke and has been crippled and is all but retired. Sigel was exiled
to the island of Elba where he is surrounded by a garrison of armed
frogs to prevent any resucue attempt from Isreal. He does not play on
the UPA because he is over the hill and can not beat any body there any
more. He made one appearance at the Spring Vegas Binions event and
went out early. He did not return after getting his butt kicked by no
bodies. He blaimed it all on the game and not on him. Actually Sigel
plays fairly fast when he was on, when he was younger. He does not two
stroke, but he gets the shot off in 4 or 5 seconds.

If you put Varner on a 45 second shot clock, he gets so nervous he
virtually mentally collapses. I have a box turtle in my yard that
moves faster than Hall.

Yes, there are exceptions to every rule, and that is all you can find
wrong with the article after picking it apart.

You are one sick fooker Eric T Hu. Like who gives a shit about your
fuckin critique, what in the fuck do you know ass hole.

fast...@gmail.com

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Aiming The Eyes Ghost Vision ******Rev

SHOULD THE EYES BE ON THE CUE BALL OR BE ON THE OBJECT BALL AT IMPACT?
Where do the eyes align at on the shot?

5 Pages 7-09-99, rev V, 2-20-06, REV 12-20-06, CR, Fast Larry Guninger
all rights reserved. Published in DC, bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, btt,
ept.

The eyes go up and down once you hand plants and you begin your strokes
to shoot. I first look at the cue ball, CB and want to insure my cue
tip is in the right location using no English, one tip right, what
ever. I do vaguely see the object ball, OB, in my ghost peripheral
vision. On simple shots I now move my eyes on the OB and do not look
at the CB again. On a very difficult long shot I may return to the cue
ball for a 2nd look. I shoot fast and when my hand plants the shot is
off in 2 to 3 seconds. All of the top men on UPA 9 ball tour and all
top pro snooker players shoot in this same time frame. There is no
time for the eyes to keep going up and down and it is not necessary.
There are of course exceptions to this rule where Luc Salvas is very
fast and off in a second and a slow more deliberate player like Hall or
Varner take more time. You must find a rhythm that fits your
personality. You must not feel rushed. I am a type A person and I
shoot fast. When I try and copy Varner's slow style it drives me
nuts.

I go 3 fast little jab strokes on the cue ball and a pause, eyes now
rise up on the OB and I do 3 little jabs on it and a pause. My ghost
vision is seeing the cue shaft and is aware of it, but my main focus is
on the object ball. I now do a little pause, and then I pull back and
shoot. So its 3 jabs on the CB pause, 3 jabs on the OB, pause, pull
and fire. 2 to 3 seconds total elapse time. Easy shots are gone in 2,
hard shots never get more than 3 seconds.

All of my aiming and shot calculations took place standing up right in
parade dress. I make a perfect fall into the shot and my CPU plants my
hand and my body perfectly on line. All I have to do now is make the
final last minute fine adjustment and pull the trigger. These lateral
adjustments are very fine and slight. It's more of a confirmation
than a real adjustment. This is called playing fast and loose, try it,
you might like it. Play with reckless abandon, let it all hang out,
what the hell, have fun. It's called freewheeling. You fire with no
fear of missing.


The majority of the teachers agree your eyes are on the OB, object ball
at impact. You look at the CB, cue ball and then the eyes go up and
down, cb, ob, cb, ob, several times. It can be 2 or 8, it depends on
the player. Some players stay over the shot and look up and down more
than others do. Once you are ready to shoot the eyes should move up to
the ob and freeze on an aim point and be focused tightly on that spot
when the tip hits the CB, Cue ball.

One of the top 9 ball players today from Germany has his eyes on the cb
at impact. So did Willie Hoppe. Frankly if you perfectly line up,
your stroke is pure and perfect, you should then be able to close your
eyes and shoot. It should not matter if you are looking at the cb, ob,
or looking at nothing with your eyes closed or your head turned. You
should be able to trust your swing. If you have a perfect grooved
swing then you come straight back and straight forward and the shot
pots.

I train my advanced students to play in practice sessions doing exactly
that to learn it is possible to totally trust their swing. Your
confidence then soars. During a game there are shots of medium and
some times longer shots that require a lot of English and I will line
up well and be looking at the cue ball last not even seeing the object
ball. I do not have any hard and fast rules with this. So much of
this I just do instinctively with out even thinking about it.

Do put your eyes on the ob at impact. Exceptions to his are when the
cb is on the rail or very close to it. When you have to use an over
the ball bridge, your shaft is shooting and stroking over the top of
another ball striking down on the cb. Never use English on these
shots, only center ball. Making the pot is the priority and take less
shape if you have to. Level the cue and hit center cue ball, eyes on
the cue ball, hit lower on the cue ball if possible. You now miss
these because you jack up, hit high English, miss the center and masse
or curve the cue ball and do not hit the area you aim at and never know
why the miss occurred.

When you are breaking the balls when your game begins also only use
center ball unless you are an advanced player. Using one tip out and
hitting as hard as you can and also be jacked up some causes a high
curve and deflection. Lay the cue on the end rail; place your hand on
top of it, now its level. Never hit above the center of the cue ball
and usually be l/2 tip below it and never ever break above the equator
of the cue ball. Break with 6:00 center ball no English. See the head
ball, ob, then eyes to cb, cue ball, let them go up and back a few
times, then the eyes focus on the center of the cue ball for a couple
of strokes and bang, at impact, you only see the cue ball and never the
rack.

You jack up and hit above the center of the cue ball you will never
ever hit the spot you aim at. In these 3 exceptions, have your eyes
on the cb at impact. On all 3, use only center ball action. You miss
these first two shots because your eyes go off of the CB to the OB and
you fail to strike the center of the ob causing it to curve or masse.

Same on the break shot, hitting with great force there is no way to hit
your aim spot if you are not looking at it.
Go play Golf, tee up your driver and now look at the fairway and not
the golf ball and see how many fairways you hit. You will be whiffing
shots. In golf, you are looking at the golf ball last; the same is
true in the break at pool.

WHAT EYE DO I AIM WITH?
Both of them. In your pool hall there is a picture of Jackie Gleason
as Minnesota Fats. Note his nose aims across the shaft at about a 45
degree angle and his nose does not aim down the shaft. If you go into
pool books you will see Mosconi, Hoppe, Greenleaf and all the old time
greats did this as well. If you take their picture and draw lines from
their eyes you will see the two intersect on the center of the cue
ball. You can go into pool magazines today and see all kinds of eye
alignments from great champions. One has his shaft over his right eye,
another over his left, another has it on his chin off angle, one has it
where it spits his nose between his eyes, Earl is way off on the side
of all of these. So what this means to you is: THERE IS NO ONE WAY,
OR RIGHT WAY TO AIM.
You have to find the one which works best for you. You first have to
find out which of your eyes are dominating.
Hold your thumb at arms length and align your thumb with some thing on
the wall at some distance your thumb can cover it up and you no longer
see that thing.

Now close your right eye only...If your thumb appears to "move" to
the right, then you are right-eye dominant. If your thumb appears to
stay put, then you are left eye dominant. To confirm left eye
dominance, close your left eye only. Your thumb should appear to
"move" to the left.
Approximately 70% of the population is right-eye dominant, however
another 15% are equally dominant in both eyes. Eye dominance is not
always associated with left or right handedness. Now and then I get a
hard case where none of this works and I have to work with them to find
a place where he does perform at.

Take the standard spot shot, cue ball is behind the line, one ball on
the spot. Always use a stripe, they are easier to sight and see. Now
shoot 10 spot shots and record your record using your current sight
method. If you hit 4 out of 10, you are 40%. Now repeat using each of
the other sight methods I described. If you score less on all of them
they are then eliminated and if one scores higher, that may be your
natural position to go to. If what you have is best and you score low
you must need lessons on your basics and stroke, it's not your eye
alignment.

Any time I have a student who comes to me who is playing right handed
and is aiming over his left eye we stop and do serious testing. Some
just play best that way. Some were born left handed and their mothers
switched them over to right when they were babies. You see this in
middle aged men a lot. Mothers back then did not want a left handed
kid and when he tried to eat with his natural left hand she changed him
over and forced him to do every thing right handed. The kid grew up to
be a klutz and his mother never told him about the switch. Never
assume you are shooting off the right eye, unless you do this testing.

I had a guy in his 50's come to me saying I love to play pool but I
am lousy. I have taken expensive lessons from the guy in Michigan and
world champion in Tampa and I stay the same. If they can't make me
any better, how can you. What can I lose in an hour; it's worth $50
to give it one last shot. I have all students run 15 balls, shooting
any ball, the easiest shot just to watch and observe what they have and
to spot any weakness or problems. This guy told the truth, he was flat
out awful. His basics were Ok; the shots just did not go in. I saw
him playing right handed with his left eye over the shaft. I sat up
the spot shot and he made one out of 10. I set it up again and said
now do it playing left handed and aim off of the same left eye you are
now using. He said I have never played left handed, I can't do this.
I said, just give it a try please and the guy made 14 in a row, then
laid down his cue and with tears in his eyes looked at me and said, you
mean I have been shooting all of my life, 40 years, on the wrong side
and wasted all of this time and money. I said, yes sir, that is
correct. I catch things the other instructors miss because I know what
to look for.
I have caught several like that, not a lot, but they are out there and
you could be one of them. There is no one way which is correct to aim
your eyes. It depends upon how you see and what works best for you.
Earl is off his left eye and is right handed, Jeanette Lee is down her
nose, others are on the right eye, and some have the nose 45 degrees
across the shaft, 4 different ways, all right handed, all world
champions. There is your answer; there is no one way to do it. So set
up a series of test cuts and run all 4 ways and see which one produces
the best results for you.


Because this is such a vital thing, every serious player should have a
lesson with a top teaching pro, not some beginner teacher, and have
that lesson video taped and have each of your basics checked out and
firmed up.

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in the top 50, the Viking Pro 9 ball tour, Florida 9 ball tour, SE pro
9 ball tour, the Senior Tour and the APTSA (Artistic Pool and Trick
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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between us.
If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May the wind
be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Latin for "I came, I saw, I
conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can
believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. " Shoot
straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy then
there is no way for you to lose.
Either lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the

three please? Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me


and become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.

Play by feel, not by systems; do not make a simple game complicated. Go
with what you know, go with what is natural.

"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words of
Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds of
people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those

who wonder what happened." Vince said you've got to pay the price.
Winning is not a sometime thing, it's an all the time thing. Winning
is a habit, unfortunately so is losing. If winning isn't every
thing, then why do we keep score."


Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,
leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well with your boots on owing

no man anything. May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead? In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't


take your self, or anything too serious, just be happy and healthy.

Laughter good whiskey and song is the best medicine. If you have a
library, a garden, a good woman and a barrel of Scotch, you have all
you need. Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the way.
I am just a simple teacher. All that I now know, is that I now know
nothing. I am nothing but a good ball banger who teaches a good lesson
and puts on a good trick shot show, that is the only two things I do
well in life.
Aristotle said "Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the


whole aim and end of human existence." Die happy and you lived a good

life. Work now like you are going to live forever, live now like you
are going to die tomorrow.

Fast Larry Guninger, real man, real pool player, real American, real
Christian." God bless the land of the free and of the brave. May her
Flag always wave high, as long as the wind wind blows and the grass
grows. May the sun always shine upon you and a gentle breeze be at
your back laddie, may a rainbow be certain to follow each rain: May
the hand of a friend always be near you and may there always be work
for your hands to do. May your purse always be full of coins and the
luck of the Irish be yours on the pool table. May God fill your heart
with gladness to cheer you up when you are down. Fáilte Roimh
Cheartúcháin, Go dtuga Dia suaimhneas síoraí dó.
Minnesota Fats: Larry's teacher said? "When I played pool I was like
a psychiatrist. I cured 'em of all their daydreams and delusions."
"You don't learn from smart people, you learn from idiots. Watch what
they do, and then don't do it." Learn to be a lock smith. If you
should be giving the 7 and the snap, don't play for money unless you
sell the pigeon he should give you the 7 and the snap. Then you never
lose. Never put heat on your self, pressure is self induced; only you
can put in on, only you can take it off. The toughest player mentally
wins when skills are equal. "Golf is 90% mental and 10% physical." --
Ben Hogan "I am the toughest golfer mentally." -- Tiger Woods
Fast Eddy, Paul Newman, in The Color of Money: "Money won is twice as
sweet as money earned." FL says always have something riding on every
match, it steels the nerves. Fast Larry came up with the real Fast Eddy
in the legendary Kling and Allen's pool hall in KCMO and they were
life long friends.

W. C. Fields: "Trust everyone-and always cut the cards." You can't
con an honest man. Never wise up a sucker or Give a sausage an even
break
Come chat with Larry live at www.poolchat.net. Do not miss the
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Quotes from FL. Exercise is not cracked up to be what it really is.
If God intended for me to be able to touch my toes he would have put my
toes where my knees are now. The trouble with jogging is the ice falls
out of my scotch glass. If I knew I was going to live this long I
would have taken better care of my self. I am not afraid to die, I
just don't want to be there when it happens. I would rather be in
Philadelphia.

I drink because it makes people more interesting and my wife better
looking. It aint easy being me. I really didn't say everything I
said. I get no respect, that's the entire problem, no respect. May
peace be with you and me, and all of Gods blessings descend upon you.
God Bless you and God bless America

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AIMING THE FAST LARRY AIMING SYSTEM

I HAVE NO SYSTEM. I JUST PLANT MY HAND WITH ZERO THOUGHT AND SHOOT. I
JUST SEE THE SHOT. It is all what I call, a leap of faith.

When I miss a shot or a cut, I set it back up and keep shooting it
until I make it. To master a new shot I will shoot it 500 times. Soon
my on board cpu, my brain, stores the image and will match every shot
that then comes up with the perfect image of a previous shot perfectly
made. My cpu can run through my 10,000,000 shots on file and find a
match in less than a second. I even let my cpu frame and see the shot.
I then let cpu plant me, it puts my body and hand down on the shot in
perfect alignment every time with out me thinking or directing
anything. Now all I have to do is a couple of strokes and boom, in she
goes. It does not get any deeper than this and that is how I play, by
feel, by imaging. All the pros play the same way. We all turn the
shot loose in 3 seconds or less after our hand plants on the table so
you tell me how much time we have to think. The answer is we don't
think.


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770-381-6609. Larry plays on five pro pool tours. His tour 9 ball
cards are: the UPA, the men's main tour; the Florida 9 ball tour, SE


pro 9 ball tour, the Senior Tour and the APTSA (Artistic Pool and Trick
Shot Association.
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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. " Latin for "I came, I saw, I
conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can
believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. "
Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy
then there is no way for you to lose.
Either lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the

three please. Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me


and become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.

"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words
of Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds
of people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those
who wonder what happened."

Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,
leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well with your boots on owing

no man nothing. May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead. In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't


take your self, or anything too serious, just be happy and healthy.
Laughter good whiskey and song is the best medicine. If you have a
library, a garden, a good woman and a barrel of Scotch, you have all
you need. Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the

way. Aristole said " Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of


life, the whole aim and end of human existence." Die happy and you

lived a good life. God bless American, the land of the free and of the
brave.

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BACKSWING. The moment of truth. Natural pool.

Four pages, 10-29-06, Rev 10-30. CR Fast Larry Guninger, all rights
reserved, published in numerous internet sites.

The swing is in three parts. (1) The warm up jabs. (2) The backswing.
(3) The forward swing and follow through. The warm up jabs for me are
usually very short and only one or two inches long. Observe the
greatest 9 ball player of all time doing this, Luther Lassiter, and
Mike Sigel; Steve Mizerak who is rated in the top 10 of all time.
Allen Hopkins and many more great players had these short jab strokes.
It simplifies the stroke and is more dependable that the long loose
11" long stroke you see Earl and some of the Philippine players
doing.

Just because they win does not make that stroke right. It only means
they came up with out instruction doing it wrong and played 14 hours a
day and after two decades of living and sleeping on the table at night
they grooved it. One has success at this and for the rest its monkey
see monkey do even if the first monkey has it wrong it really does not
matter. If you have a job and family and can't play 14 hours a day
they you need to learn how to cut your stroke down and make it shorter
and more compact.

When my hand plants my eyes are on the object ball with just a ghost
vision of the cue ball. I do three quick short jabs. I have already
selected the length of my bridge which will be either 5-7-9 or 11"
long depending on the force I need to hit the shot. No matter which of
the four I select, I still make the little 1" jab strokes. I am
presetting the length of the stroke once the backswing begins. My tip
almost touches the cue ball and then pulled back only 1 to 2" three
times in little quick jabs. When I pause the tip is again almost on
the cue ball and if I was using a 9" bridge you could measure 9"
from my left index finger to the end of my ferrule. I am 9" out
there, but making 1" strokes, I then pull back the full 9" when I
am shooting which is where the power of the stroke is. The short jabs
simply put the stroke on a perfect line.

This is how I judge my speed control which was one of the greatest
secrets Ralph Greenleaf gave to Mosconi who said nobody ever had
tighter control and played up closer to his work than Ralph did. He
would play an entire match and never be any further away from any shot
than a foot. Many of my students who were APA 6 or 7's told me later
when I cut their strokes down from that old 11" and got them hitting
shots using 5 and 7" their accuracy and games took a giant leap up.
Just put your shaft down the line of the cloth on the rail and make
1" jabs, no problem staying on the center of that line. Now begin
stroking 11" and see how well you stay on line. No contest:

After my first 3 little jabs my eyes now come up to view the cue ball
as my tip stops virtually touching it. I am checking to see now how
both balls are aligned to the pocket. I have let my cpu already make
the alignment for me out of a leap of faith and it's usually correct.
Usually I am hitting center ball and I want to see my tip on the cue
ball in the exact center.

I have found in giving 3,000 lessons 99% of the players who come to me
do not know where center is and have grooved it left or right of
center, usually about an l/8 to a full l/4" off which means they are
putting unwanted English on the ball even hitting what they think is
center they are swiping across it which is then throwing the object
ball off of the line they are aiming at which is why they are missing
so many long shots.

It takes a personal lesson to correct this and it can't be done in a
book or on the net. Trust me, 99% of you out there have a swing fault
and you need a teaching pro to find and correct it. If you could find
it you would have solved it on your own by now. I go through hell
with the students tearing them down and reprogramming where true center
is for them. So you think you can do it on your own, OK, here are your
odds of doing that. There are 100,000,000 players and only 1,000 have
developed a pro perfect stroke on earth.

This is such a severe problem Meucci said in one of his videos that
nobody can hit the center of the cue ball and that is why the pros when
they have a long straight in shot will always use a little inside.
That is more BS teaching from another who can not run 3 fookin balls
and builds wood and not players. You don't English to correct a
swing fault; you find the fault and cure it. You have to be taught how
to find center early on and if you don't get that early teaching
don't suffer on, get it now. The test of this is to take a stripe
and lag it up and down the table holding your tip out on your follow
through so the stripe does not roll over and the ball comes back to
stop on your tip. Ray Martin and me can do this 10 or 20 times in a
row because we know where center is and can hit it. Hoppe taught this
drill and he knew where center was. It was in his 1925 book.

My cpu is programmed to make all ball alignments where the shot is set
up with no English
And that happens for me with no thought or direction on my part in a
New York Fento Second. So after the first 3 jabs if I want to add one
tip low left I pause and I now slide the tip one tip left and then one
tip down and I allow my head and body to slide parallel to that first
aim line. As the shaft moves left or right, I move with it and then
reset on that new line. That was again the aiming method used by
Hoppe, Eufemia, Greenleaf and Mosconi and they hold the highest runs
still today so it could not be too bad of a system to use.

I now do 3 more fast 1" jabs with the eyes on the OB and after them
the eyes come back to the Cue ball to insure the tip is on the spot I
have chosen and I go into a slight pause to give my cpu time to check
all of that. Once I get green go, I am ready for the back swing. If I
don't get that warm fuzzy feeling, or any feeling it is not right I
pull up and begin the entire swing sequence all over from the
beginning. You will see golfers do that same thing on TV.
These 6 jabs and two pauses happen fast and when my hand plants my shot
are gone in 3 seconds and on some simple shots in two. When you study
all the top Snooker and top ranked pool players they all now do the
same thing, shoot fast and loose. They really no longer have to aim as
they are long past this. They just see the shot, fall into it and
stroke stroke bang gone. There is no time for them to aim or think and
trust me; they are not doing either one of them.

Beginners must have and need an aiming system. No pro's use them,
they just tell you they do I guess because they think it sounds stupid
to say they don't, so they tell you what you want to hear.

There are a few pro's on TV that are doing a pause at the back and
top of the swing and that is OK and I have no problem with it. These
are usually mentally slow methodical people who don't think too fast.
Put Nick Varner on a 45 second shot clock and he falls apart and
chokes on his gum. He can't play that fast. Luc Salvas would have
the rack ran in that same time so a lot of what you do at the table
depends on what kind of guy you are. You must learn to play inside
your natural body tempo. I don't see any thing wrong with the pause
at the top. I just do not teach it.

Nobody in Golf other than one lady and Bob Murphy who only won once
pauses at the top. They do their little waggles to loosen up, my jabs,
then they pause, I do the same, then they back swing and forward in one
single move and so do I in pool. They have a little fly cast whip
action that a pause at the top would destroy. I have as well with my
fly cast wrist flick. So I teach the pause before the back swing and I
actually have two of them and not one.

My eyes are now on the object ball and my back swing begins. In golf
you never look at the object ball or down the fairway and if you did
you would never hit the fairway because you would never hit the golf
ball where you want to. Their eyes at impact are on the back of the
golf ball and they trust their swing to deliver it down the line. If I
am putting on a lot of English on the cue ball and two tips out 3:00
and a very low hard draw then at impact I too only see the cue ball and
trust my swing. That is the way Willie Hoppe played and so does the
top 10 ranked Kaiser from Germany Ralph Soquet. If I am shooting over
a ball, the cue ball froze to the rail or even on the break my eyes are
on the CB at impact.

On the majority of normal shots using center ball my eyes like most
other players are on the object ball at impact so I use both methods
depending on the shot and its complexity.

Once a student becomes advanced and has a solid pure swing I teach him
to practice long straight in shots every one fears by closing their
eyes on the back swing and at impact keeping them closed until they
here the thud of the OB hitting the back of the pocket. That gives
them the mental confidence to know once they pull back it's a done
did deal.

I do not begin my back swing like most of you do which is done by
moving your forearm back. That is like chopping wood and has no power,
flow or feel to it. I begin mine by bending my wrist back which drags
the forearm behind it. When this begins I also make a wave motion
meaning I don't try to bring the cue back straight and level which is
UN natural. I begin the backswing by pulling the butt of the cue up
and when I go forward I drop my elbow to level it back up and flick my
cocked wrist which is where all the power and action on the ball is and
my forearm simply follows along. Using the wave you must drop the butt
to level or you will stab down on the ball jumping it or miscuing.
This is true in the draw and in the force follow.

It looks a little like pumping water out of a well with the arm going
up and down. Hall of famer Nick Varner has always had this wave and
current number 3 in the world Mike Page has taken this to an extreme up
and down motion. It is amazing how this pump handle move brings the
cue straight back and keeps it perfectly on line so all you have to do
at the end is release and flick your wrist and if the shot is aligned
properly it slam dunks. Troy Franks recently picked this move up and
went from 25th down to 14th over night.

The follow through should be long and level to the table bed on any
follow shot with the tip never touching the cloth. At impact my tip
actually rises up some as I impart natural running over spin on the
ball. You can see films of Hoppe, Greenleaf and Mosconi all doing the
same thing. You can only achieve this by dropping the elbow. Go into
Capelles book where he shows you him hitting a long follow through and
he has dropped his elbow a ton on page 19 & 20 where he teaches
dropping is good. All pro's do as well and most power shots can not
be hit unless you do. Good going Phil, you got one right for sure.

The problem you get with amateur league players like Capelle and Byrne
is neither can play a lick and they write a good book with good
information but a lot if it is flat out wrong that will take you down
the wrong path and doom you. You don't know what is right and what
is wrong. Once you learn how to run 3 balls in a row never read either
of these bozos ever again. Their stuff is for total beginners. Go
find a coach or a top local teacher who can work with you one on one
and see your game and make the necessary corrections in it.

Insist he films you and sends you home with the tapes to watch. If he
does not have a camera bring your own to the lesson. I have never
found a player yet who ever made it to the end of Capelle's 400 page
book. It will bore you totally she-yit less in the first 200 pages.
You will go blind and brain dead trust me. You will run around for two
weeks in hopeless paralysis by analysis where you can not make a ball
to save your soul foaming at the mouth like a mad dog going
ooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. It will turn you to
hard liquor.

The game comes in two parts that are so important I teach both of them
together. The basics and the metal game. What good will it do you to
develop perfect basics and a perfect game if it does not hold up under
pressure as happened to the greatest ball runner of all time, Michael
Eufemia who holds the high run of 625. When he could go to a tourney
he would not run 3 friggen balls and in many matches he ran one ball
and lost. Phil does not think that is important and does not go into
it until page 340 and remember nobody yet has got past page 300 so
nobody got to the most important part of his book.

I could tear the book apart but for the sake of time look at just this
one to get my point. Page 16 he says the grip hand back is incorrect.
He thinks its wrong to grip the cue on the butt and that has always
been the teaching over the years in pool. Right, explain why Jim
Rempe, King James, hall of famer holds it back there Phil? Or all of
the English snooker players who pot balls much better than any pool
player on earth do. I hold probably the majority of my shots behind
the wrap some where on the butt because that is the best way to achieve
a perfect level cue which follows the ball best.

The biggest mistake you players are doing is jacking up on every shot
which means if you don't hit the exact center of the cue ball you
just hit a curve masse shot that will never hit the object ball where
you aimed it to. You will see the pros that play on the world tour
with me holding the cue a lot back there as well so this is old bad
teachings from the 30's bozos like him simply repeat because some
bozo taught that to him. Those same out of date teachers will tell you
to hold the cue 3" behind the balance point, el wrongo that sets up a
jacked up shot. Yes, Mosconi taught that in his little red book but
remember he never played 9 ball and was a 14.1 player where all his
shots were one foot away so that did not matter to him. He only played
on one half of the table with a very narrow stance so he was not
playing on a 4 l/2 x 9 like I do today, he was playing on a 4 l/2 x 4
l/2' table. A bar box is bigger than what Willie played on. His 526
run occurred on a 4x4. Rarely did they go up table and his game was
keeping all the balls down table.

When you are hitting power 9 ball shots, force follows a level cue is a
necessity and try and hold it level rubbing the rail holding it that
far up front. Now let your hand slide back to the butt and watch the
cue level out and fall down on the rail. Look at any photos of the
greatest modern billiard player of our time, Raymond Cuelemans and you
will see a perfect level cue never jacked up. So any one that is
teaching you that crap today, run from that guy because he does not
know squat.

I teach natural pool which means every shot is different and every shot
should have a different technique. I never hold the cue in the same
place twice and I am all over the grip in different spots as I play. I
use different grips and stances. Pool is taught wrong driving every
one into just one way to stand, grip and stroke. It produces robots,
who never feel comfortable or never play the game well. I free players
in my lessons from these bad teachings and let them find what is
natural for them and what works. When I do I hear, damn, that was the
way I used to do it when I began playing. I say, why did you stop and
I hear, I read the Byrne book, or watched his tape, or I took a lesson
from that BCA instructor and I said what did they sell you? A method
that did not work. They sadly nod. I say, OK today, I sell you a
method that will work. Here it is, go with what you know. Do what
feel's natural and comfortable. Pool is a feel game and it must be
played by feel. You must just see it, do it and be one with the shot.
You must not be mechanical but instead you must flow like a dancer into
each shot with natural rhythm playing fast and loose. You must play


with no fear of missing.

POOL IS TAUGHT WRONG BY TOO MANY PEOPLE IN TOO MANY WAYS AND MY MISSION
IN LIFE IS TO END THIS BY SHOWING THEM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS SO THEY
WILL STOP MESSING UP MILLIONS OF PLAYERS WHO WILL NEVER PLAY WELL BUT
COULD. Most of you feel you have no talent because you never
progressed and it never occurred to you that you are fine, you just
have a bad teacher who screwed you up. Ok, so where does the Capelle
book and the Byrnes tape go sports fans. That's right, in the
dumpster and free your self from any thing rigid you now feel or
experience. Play natural pool my friend and your cpu will align you
and do it all for you. Just get out of your own way and stop directing
the show. Just let it happen, naturally.

Ignore those teachers who teach you hit the center of the cue ball and
put back skid on the cue ball by allowing the tip to hit down through
the cue ball and impact into the cloth. Hell I call that a drag shot,
not a follow. In golf if you taught how to putt by chopping down on
the ball they would laugh you out of the game. They teach you to be a
ball skidder and I teach you how to be a perfect ball roller. They are
mostly beginner teachers who only know how to teach a lesson to a
beginner. A pined fixed elbow is OK for some simple soft shots and I
use it and teach it. When you become a better player you must learn
the more advanced shots and dropping the elbow is one of them. It is a
very UN natural move so beginners would not do well with it. I teach
you must have both methods and use both of these strokes during a game.


I teach a beginner to stroke it and not poke it. When he learns to run
balls I then teach him all kinds of funky shots like pokes, nips,
skids, stuns, jabs which alter the tangent lines and produce position
play to set up easy shots to run out with.

A beginner is more apt to learn better playing rigid and locked in like
a robot in the fixed pin. You don't want his head moving or his
stroke arm flapping around in the wind. Later on I would give him more
options to move into and loosen the guy back up then and showing him
how to drop and shove the cue forward down the line level and pure. I
would then teach him the wave.

The swing is with the wrist and not with the arm. It's all in the
wrist that is one of the great
Inside secrets of the game. That is where it is all at. The amateurs
can't get the wrist into
Play because they begin the backswing with their forearm and there is
no way to
cock and lock the wrist at the end of the swing so all they have left
is a wood chopping forward clubbing motion with that arm. They see all
the great philipinos doing this light flick into the ball and don't
under stand it. They try to emulate it and can't. Cock and set the
wrist immediately and learn to flick it with power and watch the cue
ball dance and spin. Yeah Yeah, I know, once you guys learn this you
will all be naming your new first born after me and that's cool. The
world needs more little Fast Larry's running around in the future
teaching the truth and teaching natural pool.

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can ask FL questions on how to play or do the same on the main forum
where many top players will share their knowledge and experience with
you. Larry is back writing and putting up new articles and giving away
free pool cues and other equipment in his daily quizzes. Don't miss
the action. He has a list of 20 DVD's that are being given away,
some very rare pool footage and old movies.

www.fastlarrypool.com is Larry's web site where you can book lessons

or a trick shot show. 100 shots, 3 shows for half the price brand X is
charging. 3 times the time, 3 times the show, the shots are even 3
times better.

Check out the new billiards store which has the lowest prices on cues
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Well over 3,000 successful private lessons have been taught since 1993.
Over 20,000 students taught in clinics all over the world in over 70
countries. Guaranteed satisfaction. You get what you come for or the
lesson is free. Larry says you have to shoot a good stick to teach an
advanced lesson or to tear down a pros game and put it back in shape.
He is known as a high end finisher but he also takes on total
beginners.

Larry plays on six pro pool tours. His tour 9 ball cards are: the UPA,
the men's main 9 ball tour where he ranks 35th in the world in mid
2006. He also plays on the Viking Pro 9 ball tour, Florida 9 ball


tour, SE pro 9 ball tour, the Senior Tour and the APTSA (Artistic Pool

and Trick Shot Association world tour. Larry is also listed on the
tour stats as having one of the highest straight pool runs in history
of 274 balls which is directly behind Ralph Greenleaf's record.
He holds the world record for the high run in rotation, 5 racks, 75
balls. His high run of 9 racks in 9 ball was only done twice on the pro
PBT tour.
His high run in 8 ball is 8 racks. He is regarded as the greatest shot
maker of all time by many hall of famers and world champions. Einstein
said there are 6 million possible shots and Larry has made all 6
million of them. He has made and duplicated every shot ever made on a
table during the last two centuries. He holds 20 world records in the
sport.
Fax 770-381-1916. POOL QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND FREE INSTRUCTION IS ON


www.poolchat.net In the ask the pros forum.

"Fast Larry" Guninger and Wonder Dog, perform trick shot shows and
entertainment world wide.
Email fast...@bellsouth.net fast Larry at bell south dot net.


DVD's.http://www.fastlarrypool.com/dvdseries_trickshots1_trailer.htm
May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between us.
If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May the wind
be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Latin for "I came, I saw, I
conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can
believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. " Shoot
straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy then

there is no way for you to lose. believe it, or not. If you don't
believe it, C'est La Vie. " "Winners make things happen. Losers let
things happen."Winners NEVER QUIT, QUITTERS NEVER WIN. They say FL can
not play. Then explain why he is on the Upa web site ranked 35th in
the world in mid 2006. All truth passes through three stages. First
it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted
as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788

You must develop a pure perfect stroke you can trust and that will take
a coach and a advanced level teacher. When you build that perfect
stroke and get in dead punch you can now go play some serious pool.
Now the game is won and lost between the 6" of your ears. You next
master the mental side of the game.
Memorize this and when you need it, recite it to your self in the
chair. It will pull you many future victories you would have let slip
away.
To become great, you must learn to reach deep down inside to pull out
that extra edge it will take for you to win. There is a hero inside
you just waiting to be set free who will rise to the occasion and play
at a level you have never seen or dreamed possible before. You must
summon him, command him to rise and to go win. A true champion digs
down inside and pulls up and out the greater you inside.
Crunch time is that point where the winner steps up to the plate and
takes charge and vanquishes the loser he is playing. You must dig
down deep for that winner inside you and turn him loose. Let him see
the finish line, smell the victory, grab the bit in his mouth and runs
for the roses. Let that big dawg hunt, just get out of his way and
follow him home. The loser gives up, see's no way to win, spits the
bit and rolls over. "FL"

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Lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the three
please? Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me and


become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.

Play by feel, not by systems; do not make a simple game complicated. Go
with what you know, go with what is natural.

"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words of


Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds of
people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those

who wonder what happened." Vince said you've got to pay the price.
Winning is not a sometime thing, it's an all the time thing. Winning

is a habit, unfortunately so is losing. Vince Lombardi once said,
"The quality of a person's life is in direct proportion to their
commitment to excellence, regardless of their chosen field of
profession or endeavor. Fast Eddy said about the same thing in the
color of money.
Winning is everything. Winning is the only thing. If you can dream
it, see it, believe it, you can do it and you can be it. You can
perform totally out of the box deep into the Zone, one with the shot,
freewheeling fast and loose with no fear. Then you are a person with
no limits who can achieve anything he can imagine that a human body is
capable of producing. "FL"
Show me a guy who does not mind losing and I will show you a sausage.
Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser. "FL" "Nice
guys finish last" quote from Lou Durocher
"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'." - Yoda
Conquer your fear and you conquer the game, the battle, your life and
your fear of death. There is nothing impossible to him who will try.
Alexander The Great 320 BC.
When you play, repeat over and over, No fear. Just freewheel and let
the good times roll. Keep holding the cue as lightly as possible and
keep saying, fast and loose.

It is all about visualization, focus, concentration and playing in the
zone. You just see it, feel it, do it: It does not get any deeper
than this? Play pool with an empty mind. "FL"

"Flow with what ever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay
centered by accepting what ever you are doing and what ever comes your
way."
Chuang-Tzu.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu

Fortune favors the brave. Virgil, Aeneid Roman epic poet (70 BC - 19
BC)

Conquer your fear and you conquer the game, the battle, your life and
your fear of death. There is nothing impossible to him who will try.
Alexander The Great 320 BC.

For a man thinks within himself, so he is." Proverbs 23:7 "I can


do all things through Christ who gives me strength." Philippians
4:13

In order to master pool you must first learn how to master yourself and
your emotions. "For to conquer in battle a thousand men a thousand
times, means you have now conquered yourself and you are now the
greatest of warriors" Dharmapada.

This is a feel game and a mind game. When the mind is pure, pure
perfect pool will follow. Perfect pool comes from being taught how to
practice perfect. Being in dead punch is the ultimate trip and reward
from that. "FL"

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the
door will be opened to you.


Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,

leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well owing no man anything.
May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows you're dead? In


time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't take your self, or
anything too serious, just be happy and healthy. Laughter good whiskey
and song is the best medicine. If you have a library, a garden, a good
woman and a barrel of Scotch, you have all you need.

Rudolph Wanderone Sr, Minnesota Fats father, told fatty at age 5, a
lucky man lives the sporting life. Never do anything that makes you
unhappy. An unhappy man will not live long. If you are happy, you are
a rich man. If a man has his health, a roof over his head, good food
and friends what else does he need? He is wealthy beyond compare.
Every thing on the earth has a purpose, every disease an herb to cure
it, and every person a mission. You now must learn what you mission is
and fulfill your destiny. Pay your Karma off and be clean for the next
go around.
Aristotle said the main purpose is to survive to reproduce. Once that
is accomplished then the main goal in life is to achieve happiness.
The Dali Lama says the main goal in life is to achieve enlightenment.
The 2nd goal is to achieve happiness and you and only you are
responsible for this. Seek it in you and do not expect others to give
it to you. Any thing you wish to do that brings you happiness, or to
others, must be under taken. The question of whether it is profitable
should never be asked. If it loses money, it still must be done. If
you can find a thing to do which brings you happiness and makes you
money you are indeed a lucky person. Your third goal is to find your
soul mate. Seek out a woman you like who makes you happy and who you
like to spend time with. Do not seek out beauty or follow lust as once
that cools, your relationship has been made on sand which soon crumbles
into dust.
Play the best, hustle the rest. Be a locksmith. Never play hew haw,
it will ruin you. It is not how good you play but how good you match
up. If you see a sausage and know you can give him the 7 and the snap
and rob him drunk, do not bet until you sell him to give you the 7 and
the snap. Do this and you never lose and sleep on silk sheets at
night.
Just never wise up a chump or give a sucker an even break, W.C. Fields.

Never give weight. Spot, what is that, you never spot nobody nuttin.
Spot is your dog who got run over by a Mack truck in front of the motel
6 in Lodi. You say, stop talking about spot, every time you do I get
tears in my eyes and wont be able to play.
When you clean out the joint and they are all standing there
complaining you hustled us and took all our money. You say to them,
grasshopper, I have a stable of hot ho's to support who depend on me
to bring home the loot so they can have a good time. So the needs of
the many, you sausages, are out weighed by the needs of the one, me.
Bow in reverence as you walk backwards towards the door, then turn
running out the door and leap in the rear door of your caddy head first
which was open and is pointed into the traffic with its bright lights
on. You now say tell the ho driving, its 100 miles to Chicago, we have
a half tank of gas, a full pack of cigarettes, we are both wearing sun
glasses, it is dark, hit it.
"When we see clearly, the great teachings are the same."
eighteenth-century Japanese Zen poet Ryokan, All the great teachers
in pool and there are very few, end up teaching the same things.

"No one can earn a million dollars honestly." - William Jennings Bryan
(1860-1925 "Behind every great fortune there is a crime." - Honore de
Balzac (1799-1850) "If women didn't exist, all the money in the
world would have no meaning." - Aristotle Onassis (1906-1975)

All that is certain in life are you are born, you will die, you will
pay taxes and everything you now know and love will change. Change is
the one certainty you must learn to live with and accept in your life.
The only thing certain in life is change. Do not fight something you
have no control over. Gracefully accept change when it comes.
"FL"

Nuttin sticks, everything changes, everyone leaves you. You gotta play
it big while you got it. You gotta be big, hit it big, miss it big,
every thing you do has gotta be big. "Babe Ruth".

Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the way. Life is
a waste of time, time is a waste of life, so get wasted all of the time
and have the time of your life. Wander in wonder of life and follow La
Vie Dansante. As my grand master said and I quote as a loyal parrot
head, why don't we get drunk and screw?
It took me years to learn how to beat and avoid hangovers, just stay
drunk and don't sober up. Never act your age, stay young forever.
FL is 29; he plans to stay 29 forever. His kids are now older than he
is and do not understand him at all. In 7 more years his grand
children will be older than him. Fl says, when you begin to act your
age, it's all over for you. The number one cause of death in old
people is retirement and boredom. You must always have a hobby or a
job, a project or a hottie your old lady does not know about on the
side to keep you alive and on earth with a purpose.
I want to die being totally alive with my boots on. I don't want to
die being brain dead for a decade with my boots off and rotting in a
bed on a pan. I want to die on top of a 19 year old hottie yelling
who's your daddy, Bonsai just as I catch the big one. Use your
imagination on that one. If you gotta go dudes, go out with a bang
hangin 10. Or when I die, I want to die like my father-- who died
peacefully in his sleep with his boots on and not screaming like all
the passengers riding in his Lincoln Town car who were going downhill
on the interstate at 85mph at the time coming down out of the
mountains. Die happy and you lived a good life. Live you life daily
with honor and pride in your actions and you will sleep like a baby.
Always tell the truth and you don't have to remember your lies. Be a
man of honor and integrity.
When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled
with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for
a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home. "Quote Indian
Chief Aupumut."
FL say's only the good die young, God allows all pool hustlers to
live till they are 85 so they can suffer. If I knew I was going to
live this long I would have taken better care of my self. I had a damn
good run and more time here than I expected or planned for so if it all
ends tomorrow, no tears, I lived 3 life times in the same span a normal
man lives one. When I die I want to be cremated and my ashes sprinkled
inside a Super Wal-Mart, then I'll know my kids will finally come to
see me twice a week. Actually my ashes will be sprinkled off the far
point of lovers Key in Bonita Springs, Florida.
There was always only three things important to me. Panther Piss,
Pussy and Pool, the big 3. Get those 3 right and then as Lamata said,
the rest of it don't matta no how. I became the master of all three
and the rest then just fell in line some how. Old Scotch, young broads
and a good pool game, ah yes indeed my boy, what else is there to live
for.
When you are riding it home, can see the finish line, don't spit da
bit. Begin beating the ass with your riding whip and yell out like
Tarzan C'est si bon, si bon, si bon, who's yo daddy. When she screams
FL, don't take it too hard, life goes on. C'est La Vie.
I have seen it all, done it all, been everywhere, and now can't
remember any of it. I wonder why I spent all that time and money doing
it in the first place. I should have just stayed home.
Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.
I danced the last Tango in Paris
Took the last chopper out of Saigon
Took the first fast boat to China
And there's still so much to be done
I had a third world girl in Caracas
With a pistol in each hand
She always kept me covered
As we moved from land to land.
I stashed my cash in Cayman land and
Lived to dance and make love.
I had a damn good run on Wall Street
With my high fashion model wife.
I wore out running all over the Americas crashed
And burned three planes.
>From coast to coast. I ran through a lot of good women
And drove them all insane.
I woke up dry beneath the African sky
Just me and my Swiss Army knife. A legend never dies.
Remember the words of the great Emiliano Zapata . . .
it is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. . .
I am just a simple teacher. All that I now know is that I now know


nothing. I am nothing but a good ball banger who teaches a good lesson

and puts on a good trick shot show that is the only two things I do
well in life. "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is
the illusion of knowledge."-Stephen Hawking
Aristotle said "Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the


whole aim and end of human existence."

Fast Larry Guninger, real man, real pool player, real American, real

Christian." God bless the land of the free and of the brave. Fáilte
Roimh Cheartúcháin, Go dtuga Dia suaimhneas síoraí dó. Politically
he is John fookin Wayne and just a little to the right of Attila the
Hun. He say, I ain't runnin for gov-nor so you all can take all that
politically correct bull she-yit and stuff it where da sun don't
shine. I tell it like it is. Some of you, can't deal with the real
truth.

Minnesota Fats: Larry's teacher said? "When I played pool I was like
a psychiatrist. I cured 'em of all their daydreams and delusions." "You
don't learn from smart people, you learn from idiots. Watch what they
do, and then don't do it." Learn to be a lock smith. If you should be
giving the 7 and the snap, don't play for money unless you sell the
pigeon he should give you the 7 and the snap. Then you never lose.
Never put heat on your self, pressure is self induced; only you can put

it on, only you can take it off. The toughest player mentally wins when


skills are equal. "Golf is 90% mental and 10% physical." -- Ben Hogan

said "I am the toughest golfer mentally." -- Tiger Woods agrees as do
all the top pool players.
Never be afraid of any top player. They are all human and they all can
be beat. You must come out smoking and put heat on them early. The
bigger they are, the harder they fall. They expect you to play tight
and choke and lose. They do not expect you to attack them with out
mercy. Just freewheel, play fast and loose with no fear.
"There are only two types of players. Those who keep their nerves
under control and win championships and those who do not." Harry
Vardon.
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!
--Rudyard Kipling
It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives
valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, and spends
himself in a worthy cause, who, at the best, knows in the end the
triumph of high achievement and who, at the worst if he fails, at least
fails while doing greatly, so that his place shall never be with those
cold and timid souls called bozos and rail birds who never tee it up
and then, know neither victory or defeat.
Teddy Roosevelt.


Paul Newman, in The Color of Money: "Money won is twice as sweet as
money earned." FL says always have something riding on every match, it
steels the nerves.

W. C. Fields: "Trust everyone-and always cut the cards." You can't
con an honest man. Never wise up a sucker or Give a sausage an even

break. Never loan a pool player a penny, but show him where the bank
is and send him there.


Quotes from FL. Exercise is not cracked up to be what it really is.
If God intended for me to be able to touch my toes he would have put my

toes where my knees are now. To prevent sagging when you get old just
eat more and it fills out the wrinkles. The trouble with jogging is the


ice falls out of my scotch glass. If I knew I was going to live this
long I would have taken better care of my self. I am not afraid to

die; I just don't want to be there when it happens. I would rather be
in Philadelphia.

I drink because it makes people more interesting and my wife better
looking. It aint easy being me. I really didn't say everything I

said. I take the 5th on all of it. That's my story and I'm stickin
to it. Don't even think of suing me. My mouthpiece Louie Da Lip
will plead insanity, dementia, Senility, Mental Illness, emotional
disability, cognitive dysfunction, psychological disorders, brain
damage as a child, Alien abduction and RSB long term abuse plus
Alzheimer's disease. I got a bad bottle of Blue Agave and have not
been right since. I will walk in rolling around two steel balls in my
hand like Humphrey Bogart in the Cain Mutiny and No jury will convict
me. Where are me fookin car keys? My memory is not as sharp as it used
to be, my memory is not as sharp as it used to be, my memory is not as
sharp as it used to be. When you get old they say you lose two things,
(1) your memory, (2).... Senior moment, let me get back to you with
that one. I gave up looking for my lost shaker of salt years ago and
thank God for wonder dog who leads me back to my motel room every
night. You always wondered why I ran on the road with that dog
didn't you? So the question is am I nuts? Probably, any body who
plays pool for a living is nuts, and if you play the game as long as I
have you then become nuts.
There is a very fine line that divides genius and madness. A genius
walks on both sides of that line all of his life.

"All of us are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called
a philosopher."
- Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must."
- Edward George Bulwer-Lytton (1803-1873)
I get no respect; tug on tie, that's the entire problem, no respect.
It aint easy bein me.


May peace be with you and me, and all of Gods blessings descend upon
you.

God Bless you and God bless America.
You only go around once so make the most of it while you are here. You
have a long way to go and a short time to get there. Be sure to take
the time to smell the flowers along the way. Keep your head when all
around you are losing theirs. When you lose your head, your ass soon
follows. Hang loose, mello out, and play the game of life like pool,
fast and loose.
"When you are called home and stand in judgment in front of St Peter
and his angels he will not care how many times you won or you lost. He
will only ask you how well did you play your game and how true were you
to it? It is now about how many tin cups you won, but about how many
friends you acquired and how many people you made love you along the
way." FL.
"The longer I play this game the harder it becomes." Bobby Jones
Jr, 1929 just before he won the grand slam, a feat no other player has
been able to duplicate.
"When I first came on tour in my early 20's I played the top
courses in the country and played many of them in the low 60's saying
they are so easy. I came back to play them 20 years later and said I
can't believe how hard they are to make par on." Johnny Miller.
"This is why 9 ball is a young mans game, because they are too stupid
to understand how tough it really is. Fast Larry."


Come chat with Larry live at www.poolchat.net. Do not miss the
Encyclopedia of pool, over 200 instruction articles now up on

www.poolchat.net and it's all free. Come to Atlanta and be video
taped in a 7 million dollar state of the art facility in a private room
with 4 gold crowns with Larry one on one. A full day is only $350
which is only $43 an hr, every one else is charging double or triple
this. It is rated as the top teaching facility in the world.
770-381-6609 puts you on the schedule, or wait for FL to show up as he
is a pro UPA touring player and appears coast to coast and catch him
when he comes in town.
About FL's 20 world records, some try and dispute them, FL's answer
is you have two choice's here, you can believe it, or you can believe
it not, FL does not really give a damn which one you get on because he
knows he did them all and is done fighting any one about them. He
proved every one of them by the Guinness world book of records
standards back in the mid 90's. On each record, a full press
release, with the video tape and signed affidavits of the witnesses
were sent out to over 175 interested parties in the industry. 18 of
his 20 records were set not in a pool hall, but at Georgia Tech
University and filmed by an independent studio, TTN. Nobody had ever
proved any thing as complete and perfect as Larry did.
To him it's now a mute point dude. He goes out to his glory knowing
what he did. He offered to bet any one 10K to 300K he could pass a lie
detector test he did all that he said he did and from 1993 when this
offer hit the streets till today, over a decade and a half and not one
scum bum took the bet. FL put his fortune, where his mouth was and
defending what he did with his life savings. If he was a fraud,
somebody would have called his bluff and became rich. Those who
falsely accused him were backed down by him and exposed as the real
frauds and liars. They were all just jealous punks who were all
exposed as nobodies who only wanted to trash those who were what they
could never be, real pro's who could really play.
A prophet is never recognized or understood in his home land. Jesus
Christ, 30 AD.

The Hustler movie, 1961:
At Finley's mansion SARAH says: Don't wear a mask, Eddie. You don't
have to.(points to Bert) That's Turk, Eddie, the man who broke your
thumbs. Only he's not going to break your thumbs. He'll break your
heart, your guts. And for the same reason -- 'cause he hates you,
'cause of what you are. 'Cause of what you have and he hasn't.
This explains the jealous actions of many people on the pool chat
boards. They can't play, they hate those who can. Later back at the
hotel: In the bathroom mirror we see Bert asleep on his bed. The sheets
are rumpled and tossed about. Then we see Sarah, in her slip, enter the
bathroom and shut the door. She takes out her lipstick and scrawls
across the image of herself in the glass
"Perverted, twisted,crippled." She underlines the word "crippled."
Those 3 words, describes the pool world Fast Larry came up in and
it's his goal in life to help change that image and see a new
generation of pro pool players get respect and finally play for and
earn serious money which they deserve. He want's to see pool become
the great sport it was when he first picked up a cue in the 1940's.
When the top Billiard player had the same respect and the same fame as
all the top athletes in the USA then. Add up the incomes of the world
champion boxer, Dempsey, Tennis star Tilden, Golfer Bobby Jones,
football player Jim Thorpe and baseball legend Babe Ruth and a billiard
player made more than all of them combined, His name was Willie Hoppe.
He was making a million a year in l908 and no pool player since then
has.

fast...@gmail.com

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BALLS: DARK BALLS ARE THE HARDEST COLORS TO POT.

2-5-04, rev I, 8-4-05, 3 Pages CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights
reserved. Published DC, Bpn, czm, upp, rsb, ppt, btt, upp, isp.

It's the dark balls, the colors. The green ball on a green cloth is
tough, the purple, the blue on blue cloth, but the toughest one of them
all is the dark black 8 ball. If you have the number 8 up where you
can aim at the circle or the number you are OK, but if the ball rolls
over where all you see is black the shot becomes tougher. When Rashig
of Germany came out with a 9 ball set of balls in the late 80's I
bought them and paid triple what USA balls were selling for at the time
because they were a perfect compound and perfectly round. I loved them
and still use them in my show as blocker balls.

They had no numbers and were colors darker than the American balls as
well. English snooker balls do not have numbers either, American ones
do. No numbers, darker colors made them hard to pot. Once I got use
to them I had an advantage. Everyone who played with them hated them.
I would beat somebody 2 sets and they would refuse to continue with
them. The company finally went out of business for that reason. I
then retired them. Their 15 ball set has numbers and lighter colors on
the solids and I have a set of these also. The 15 ball sets are hard
to find but you can pick up the 9 ball sets here and there.

I prefer to play with Centennials because they have more markings on
them to aim at than the super pros. I use the notches a lot around the
circle for aim points. The blue circle cue ball is a dog and I throw
them away and replace them with super pro cue balls. The new TV balls
seem to be now the best playing ball on the market.

People do not realize this 8 ball is a tough ball to pot and they are
going to miss it more for that very reason. This problem is compounded
by it being the game ball so that ads in the pressure and the choke so
now you are missing this ball twice as much or more than any other ball
on the table. Success breeds success, failure breeds more failure. I
want to break people out of this dog the 8 trap most are in. Most
players have a deep dark secret, they shake when they shoot the 8, they
hate the shot.

When we lag, I grab the one ball and toss you the dark ball to lag with
and grab the left side first so I have more room and I now crowd you on
purpose pushing towards the middle I don't have to. If we are doing
trick shots like horse where I am playing with somebody, when I make my
shot I will use a stripe and set your shot up with a dark ball and move
the number so you can't see it. I'll do the same when I rack on you
if there is no rule the one ball does not have to be the top ball, you
then get the green ball and all you see is green, no 2, no help. I
work people like this and rarely does any one get hip they are even
being worked. In my trick shot show I use nothing but stripes to give
me the best advantage. I use the 11 ball a lot, and the 15.

I solve this dog the 8 ball problem 3 ways with my students.

(1) Mental techniques to stop choking the cheese, to numerous to list
here.
(2) The POL< Point of light aiming method, too long to go into here.
(3) When I play with a student, I rack up 8, 8 balls and 7 stripes.
When we break, I always get the stripes and he has to play and run all
8, 8 balls. I have one 8 ball that is different so we know that is the
game 8. I just have the student keep shooting nothing but 8 balls
until he gets used to them and loses his fear of potting the ball.
Eventually the brain erases oh s***, there is the 8 ball with oh boy,
there is the money ball. As he is running them I make him keep saying
and brain washing his head with on one shot I love the 8 ball, on the
next shot I never miss an 8 ball. Yes, it's too Chinese, but it does
work.

The BCA instructors only teach the mechanical side of the game and
ignore you head. That, you are supposed to figure out on your own.
Most of you never do. What go does it to build a perfect stroke if it
won't hold up under pressure. Come to the power source pool school
where the mental game is taught side by side equally with the
mechanical basics and fundamentals. We can take the biggest choking
dog on earth and turn him or her into an ice man.

Come chat with me live at www.poolchat.net which used to be called
www.billiards-pool.net THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL "Fast Larry"
Guninger offers clinics and video taped lessons. Web site

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us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. " Latin for "I came, I saw, I
conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can
believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. "
Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy
then there is no way for you to lose.

Either lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the
three please. Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me


and become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.

Play be feel, not by systems, do not make a simple game complicated.


Go with what you know, go with what is natural.
"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words
of Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds
of people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those
who wonder what happened." Vince said you've got to pay the price.
Winning is not a sometime thing, it's an all the time thing. Winning
is a habit, unfortunately so is losing.

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you need. Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the
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life, the whole aim and end of human existence." Die happy and you
lived a good life. God bless American, the land of the free and of the
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Greetings from Alaska.

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Yappinwolf wrote:
> Greetings from Alaska.


You live in Plano Texas Vampire, you and your hubbie Blackjack David
Sapolis, ole 2 & out who lied about running 200 balls and can not prove
it. You two internet ass holes need to take a hike and quit fookin
with people. Your game is now out in the open, it worked when you two
were hiding under rocks getting by with this she-yit.

Now, both of your names are shit. What you two have done, is slowly
being seen by all. You both will burn in hell for what you deciples of
the devil have done.

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BALLS CLEAN OR DIRTY ARE BEST?
2-3-02 8 pages CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved. DC, Bpn,
czm, upp, ppt, btt.
People buy a new pool table and usually have a cheap set of balls that
comes with the table. I see people with $5000 tables with Simonis cloth
and a $40 set of import balls that are junk. This is ridiculous. To
play the game, you need a decent table, a simonis cloth and
professional balls. There can be no substitutes for this.

After a while the homeowner cleans his balls usually with Windex or
puts them in a sink with warm dish soap. Yes he got them clean,
squeaky-clean. This is bad; this is not the thing to do. Don't clean
or polish your balls ever. My friend Willie Joplin who writes a trick
shot column for Billiards Digest told me the story of how he went to
this room to do a show and did well. He made every shot he attempted
and performed a perfect show. They went to dinner and when he returned
to do the late night show, poor Willie could not hit his butt with a
broom and flubbed and missed most of his shots.
He said it was the worst performance he had ever seen and did not dream
it could ever happen to him. After the crowd walked out in disgust,
Willie was talking to the owner about what happened and asked did
anybody do anything to the balls. Oh yes they said, we ran them thru
the ball polishing machine, then we hand waxed them for you, so you
would have perfect clean balls. Willie said he about passed out when he
heard that. Everything had changed on him, he was now clueless. When I
heard that story, when I go out to dinner, my balls go in my travel
case and are locked up. I never leave them out on the table.
Dirty balls throw best, clean balls throw the worst. The ones who know
the most about this subject are not the 9 ball pro's. It is the
Artistic show men, who make a living knowing why balls throw and making
them do things they don't want to do. They are all experts on this
subject. If your room runs every set of balls in a ball polisher every
night and you play only in that room you are OK. You will adjust to
the lesser throw and cling of these balls. Go get on a bar box with
filthy balls or travel to a room that never cleans them and all bets
are off. All of your cut angles will change, just as you miss more
cuts when it rains and moisture and humidity gets on the balls. You
have to learn to adjust your cut angles.
I carry my own personal set of Centennials with me everywhere I go. I
have a leather case with a handle and when I come in and open up the
case, it does draw attention. That is the business I am in, drawing
attention. If you want to slip into a room and gamble, bringing in
your own set of balls would not be the cool thing to do. I get some
strange stares and the people behind the desk who sometimes make fun of
this. Who cares, when they do, they are telling me they don't know
squat. Why do I care what a person like that thinks? I tell them I
don't need your ball tray, I have my own balls.
They usually ask what are they and I reply Centennials. Sometimes they
say that's what we have in front of you. I then reply but my balls
are better than your balls, and head off, not wanting to explain
something to somebody who can't understand it, who can't run 3
balls and is making minimum wage. His centennials have specs of
tolerances ranging from 5 to 10/1000th of an inch; my set is all
l/1000th.
Mine were handpicked going through 20 boxes using an industrial
micrometer to select one perfect set so each ball had a tolerance under
l /l000th of an inch. Mosconi also carried his own personal set of
Centennials that were hand picked as well. When he entered a
tournament, he would only play if they allowed him to compete with his
own personal set. This upset a lot of his competitors, but Willie was
such a strong star he could pull it off and get his way. It was
Willies way, or the highway. Willie did teach me two things, play with
your personal set of perfect balls, and always play on the same brand
new Simonis cloth. When I do a show today, I give a brand new cloth to
the room to install for my show. I now have control over two of the 3
vital things of the game, the balls, and the 760 simonis cloth. The
room usually gives the third thing which is a decent table. The room
puts me on the best table in most cases.
I went in this big time room in Chattanooga and was comped by the owner
and the desk man comes in and does not know I am back there because I
used my own balls. Finally he spots me and here he comes and demands
to know what I am doing, comped I said, he backs up some and then goes,
what in the hell are you doing dragging in some cheap set of balls when
we have new centennials. I went let's see, you set cost about $125
and these are Rashigs from Germany which cost $400 and are the worlds
most perfect ball, could that possibly be the reason? The guy tucks
tail and slinks off.
Mosconi knew playing with the same set of balls every day, you learned
how they threw and played. Playing with different balls everywhere you
go, takes some adjustment. Some throw more than others, which is why
you play better in one place than another. It's the balls, not you.
You can take a house cue ball and do a 3 rail bank hitting diamond one
to pot in the corner. You can take a red circle and hit diamond two and
still pot. A bad ball can bank a diamond off, how scary is that? I see
people who think the table is not level, when in fact a lot of the
times they are playing with a lousy cue ball that is out of round and
rolls off. The cheaper the balls, the lower the performance you get out
of them. I call these cheap balls rocks from the Moon for good reasons.
The cheaper the balls the worse they play, the better the balls the
better the game becomes. There are only 2 sets of balls to consider if
you want the best. In my studio I play with Rashigs from Germany. They
are perfect, and were so expensive they went out of business. If you
have a set, call me, I'll buy them from you. The other pro balls are
the Centennials you must get from Brunswick and the Super Pro Aramith.
Some dealers stock both. The Centennials usually cost more. Both balls
are made in the same factory in Belgium, so they will play the same.
One is not better than the other.
The reason I prefer the Centennials is because I have been playing with
them for a half century. The first ball I ever hit was the year they
were introduced which was 1945 during WW11. I am used to their
markings. I am simply more comfortable with them. I use an aiming
system called the POL, where I use markings on the balls or points of
light to determine where the aim point on the object ball is. I aim at
the notches a lot and these are the only balls with them, they are
little triangles inside the circle on the left and right side. The
Centennials have more markings & aim points.
They have two down sides, one is they are over priced by about $50 a
set due to Brunswick not making them and just marking up the price. Two
the cue ball is a dog. You take the cue ball & toss it in the trash; it
does not play worth a crap. The reason is the cue ball is the same
exact size & weight of the object balls. A smaller & lighter ball
draws better; which is why the red circle out performs it. The finish
on the blue circle cue ball is the same finish on the object balls,
which saves them money. The blue circle cue ball has no action. That
is why everyone began substituting the red circle cue balls in those
tourneys; because they found out they got better performance.
Nobody knew why, they just knew they got more draw & action out of the
red circle. Why is simple, the red circles I have measured with my
industrial micrometer and weighed it on my jewelry scale in grams tells
me they are smaller & lighter than the object balls, which is why it
draws better and it has a higher finish, which gives it more action
especially off of the rails. A heavier ball will follow better, so the
super pro aramith cue ball is the best choice, it follows & draws
better than a red circle.
If you buy a set of Centennials, dump the blue circle cue ball. I give
mine to Wonder Dog to play with. Go to your local table dealer & buy a
super pro aramith cue ball. They are the same weight & size as your
object balls, so your play & cuts will be better. It has a very high &
fine finish on it. They use the same finish they put on their carom
balls, so this is your hottest ball you can get. If they don't sell
this one, then buy the red circle.
Every one of you should make the $15 investment and carry in to every
pool hall you go into a pro cue ball in your back pocket or in your cue
case. Nobody will see you doing it if you're cool about it. Do show
it to the deskman so he won't think your stealing his ball or
switching on him. Take his tray of balls then play with your cue ball.
You have now increased your playing enjoyment tremendously. I go into
some places and they feed you a rock from the moon that you can't do
anything with. The game then becomes agony.
For those of you who own home tables and don't have a pro set of
balls, I implore you, get a set at once. Belly up to the bar and spend
the $200. It will be the best $200 you ever spent, trust me on this one
please. You won't believe how much better the game gets with these.
Buy a set of super pro balls for your home table. Now when you go out
to practice in your local pool hall, take your set of balls in with
you. The first time will be the hardest. After a couple of visits,
nobody will pay any attention to you. Now you are controlling your
playing conditions. When you go bowling you bring in your own ball.
When you play golf you carry in your own clubs and balls, you don't
use their range balls to play. When you go to play Tennis you bring in
new cans of balls, you don't use the junk worn out balls lying around
the courts. So what is your problem here with carrying in a small box
of balls Bubba into a pool room? You see it's all in your attitude
you need to change about this.
Don't clean your OB's, object balls, leave them alone? Dirty balls
play better than clean balls. I hate brand new balls out of a box for
that reason. I won't use them in public unless I break them in for a
month, or get them a little dirty. If you see me perform at a show you
will note my balls look fine, you will see no dirt on them. I just
never clean them. If a smudge gets on them, I only use a dry towel to
rub it off.
When I am saying I am playing with dirty balls, they are really clean;
I just don't wax or polish them. If any one hits my OB with their cue
tip or shoots it, I get very upset. They just put a chalk smudge &
spot on that ball. I grab that ball at once & hand clean it, and then
I chew their butt. If that chalk mark hits the contact point on the cue
ball, the shot will go wild and miss, which is why it is paramount to
keep chalk dust off of the balls.
If you are playing with me and want to eat lunch, we stop play while
you eat. They you must to the bathroom and wash your hands with soap
before you touch my OB's. You are eating a greasy hamburger & French
fries. If I let you eat & play, soon you will have that grease all
over my balls and all the clings, and cuts & throws will change on me.
I can freeze two balls in a line, cue ball and the OB in front, and no
matter how much English or angle & play into the shot, the most I can
throw that OB off of that line is a couple of inches. Let me put some
chalk dust between the balls and I can now throw the OB 2 full diamonds
or two feet.
The same thing can increase throw by putting some forehead grease
between the balls, or even sweat or spit, they throw wildly. That is
why when it's raining out side for a couple of days you always play
bad, because the moisture & humidity cause a film on the balls you
cannot see & the cut angles have changed causing you to miss more
because you did not know how to adjust for this, because no body ever
told you what was going on with the balls before. Some breakers at 9
ball want to make the head one ball in the side and know it usually
comes up short and misses so they keep a beer around and pull the
moisture off of it as they take a swing and put that on the one ball,
or put spit, or rub grease off their forehead and get this between the
contact points then the one will throw into the side.
If you ever get the chance to see me, Mike Massey & Tom Rossman or
Gerni get together and listen in what you will hear us talking about
constantly is humidity & moisture on the balls, it is our greatest
enemy. It is so important I carry a temperature & humidity gauge with
me at every show.
I can go into an event and it's cool and the humidity is fine. Let
the place fill up and the temperature goes hot & the humidity through
the roof from a thousand people expelling moist air out. This causes
changes and the astute, realize this, and adjust to it when it occurs.
The losers do not.
If I bought a poolroom and it had a ball-cleaning machine I would throw
it in the trash. You just wipe every ball with a towel at night when
the place closes to get off the French fry grease; you don't spend
but 2 seconds on each ball. This takes less time that running sets of
balls through a polishing machine. I have seen these machines ruin
sets of balls when they malfunction, plus you are buying buckets of
expensive ball polishing crème you don't need. Ball polishing
machines are a total rip off worthless device that came out in the last
20 years by a real hustler. We went through centuries with out one,
now we need one?
You want the balls to get to that semi dirty state, and then keep them
exactly there. Then they perform the same for you, day after day, and
there are no daily adjustments to make. I went into a real red neck bar
once that had a 20 yr old bar box, and the balls were original and had
never been cleaned. Looking at them I could see they were filthy. They
had a lot of construction workers & auto mechanics coming in after work
putting dirt & grease on the balls from their hands. Hamburgers,
fries, chili hot dogs & cheese nachos where the main food they served.
I could not make a cut, it was awful, and I did not have a clue. I
could not run 3 balls on that table, I swear. I came in to do a show
and the owner said son, excuse me, but you can't play worth a flip,
are you sure you are who you say you are.
I said, just change the cloth, let me put my balls on the table, and
then you will see who da man is. Give me 3rd class equipment; I can't
produce first class shots. Let me control the balls and the cloth, and
then I can play on the table from Hell. The balls can be too clean, or
too dirty. You will have to find that in between places where they work
best for you.
Because I am in the business of showing off, and doing extreme things
with my cue ball, I do play with a very highly polished cue ball I
freely admit. I did not set any of my records with this method, but I
play with it. I take my super pro aramith ball which is hot to begin
with and get a very fine carnauba white hard wax, hand rub it on the
ball.
I let it dry rock hard, then hand rub it off, which is a bitch to do. I
then use a soft liquid wax called McGuire's, you can buy at Pep boys,
and I repeat the same process, apply, let dry, then I buff it off also.

I then spray the ball sitting in a ball tray with #wd40, it does not
dry, and I come back an hour later, turn the CB & respray the other
side. The next morning, 12 hrs later, I take the cue ball & towel dry
off the WD 40. Now I have a cue ball hotter than a brand new Puerto
Rican credit card. When I draw the CB, it runs like a raped Ape. I
don't want the WD 40 getting on the OB's, because that is nothing
but Silicon grease, which is why I wipe off any that did not dry hard
on the CB. Now very little or any cue ball chalk hit marks stick on my
cue ball, which is good.

Colin Colenso
Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 72

Hey Larry,

In your article about 'balls' at your website www.fastlarrypool.com you
talk about polishing your cue ball and keeping object balls unpolished.


I would have thought that polishing the cue ball would make it hard to
get grip on, especially deep screw and masse shots. What's your
thinking and experience with this?

Also, here in China they are always cleaning the balls by sloshing them
around in towel. Seems to keep them pretty shiny. I've noticed when I
try to play some tricks using planted balls that I can hardly get them
to move off their line. Almost no friction occurring. They will still
turn if I hit directly on with side, but not if I hit 3/4 ball. In my
snooker experience I used to get quite a bit of deviation this way.

I was thinking it may because of the extra weight of the 2 1/4" balls,
but now I wonder if the cleaning could be the cause. What do you think?


Colin


A: From FL.
Question one, yes, you do not get throw because they are keeping the
balls squeaky clean, they will not throw which is a disaster for trick
shots.

Question Two: Grease up the cue ball and yes you will slide off of it
and miss cue. That is why once I prep it. I allow it to dry over
night and then towel it down so I have a hard surface to hit. When I
do my masse show I can make the cue ball do more using wd40, but if I
spray the entire ball, it's wet and I'll have some miss cues. My
method is to in advance prep an entire try of cue balls. I use one for
1 or 2 shots, and then go to a new one so each one is super hot. I
spray WD 40 in one empty hole in the tray. I pick up the cue ball,
take my index finger tip and dip it in the Wd 40 liquid, wipe it on the
bottom of the cue ball, not much, I do not want to see it wet the
cloth. I keep a hanky in my right pants pocket and I stick my finger
in there to clean it. I am trying to hide the fact I am using silicone
on the ball. I could just spray the bottom of the ball like Sayinger
now does and stop trying to fool people. Rojos saturates part of his
glove in silicone and applies it that way. In Europe when they do
artistic shows the Referee or manager picks up the cue ball to clean it
all the time but in reality the hanky is applying silicone. With my
method now only the bottom of the cue ball is slick and hot which aids
in my launch with no friction but I am hitting the top of the cue ball
which is dry, top dry, bottom wet. I always hit the cue ball in the
same place, on the red circle or S, the bottom is always the same as it
begins to get burn marks and coating the bottom means I can always have
the bottom sit on the same place on the cue ball and use the ball
longer before it's tossed due to these burns of dye which slows the
ball down.
These are the methods I use & the inside secrets I have been taught. I
hope they help you and your game also. I acquired this knowledge from
the top experts in the world, so trust in it, and follow it wisely.
THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL WWW.FASTLARRYPOOL.COM
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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

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Yappinwolf

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The Yap Wolf will ive on forever - there is nothing you can do about
it, Larry.


-YW-

Tommy T

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a TOTAL MANAIC FRUIT CAKE LIKE YOU, DESERVES NO RESPONSE.

Yappinwolf

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ROTFLMFAO!!!

That WAS a response, you ignorant fookin DIMWIT!!!!

-YW-

PS - You're a liar and a fraud - and the only thing you can teach
anybody is how to live life as a complete fookin failure!!!!

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poolguyusaone wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes +_)UT$+()EWUG{)(UJDS
> In article <1166814876....@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,

> "Tommy T" <tommytam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > a TOTAL MANAIC FRUIT CAKE LIKE YOU, DESERVES NO RESPONSE.
>
>
> It's ironic, at best. Do you realize, Grindinger, that what you are
> doing here for the last several years on RSB is leaving what
> will be your real legacy? Think about it. When you're dead and
> gone, the only thing you will be remembered for is the trail
> of posts you've left here - nearly all of them racist, obscene
> garbage?
>
> Think about it. You're making your legacy right here, each and
> every day.
>
> What will people think of you 50 or 100 years down the road,
> when they dig up your usenet legacy? Will they see you as
> a decent, upstanding man who was a credit to the great sport
> of billiards?
>
> Remember - the usenet archives are permanent. Your words
> here will be available to the entire world for as long as it exists.
>
> I am very, very gratified to know that my name is not Larry Grindinger.

YOU, ERIC T HU, ARE EXPOSED, EVERY ONE NOW KNOWS YOU AS THE MUGGIN
COWARD OF POOL, AND DEBRA LI SAPOLIS AS THE BLACK BITCH FROM HELL.

YOU TWO, GOTS YOURS TO IN DOUBLE DOSE. BOTH OF YO NAMES ARE TRIPLE
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BANK How to 3 rail bank.

4-04-99, rev I, 2-6-05, CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved,
published in DC, bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, btt.

When I walk into a new pool hall I do several things to test the table
before I begin play. I always bring in my own set of balls to play so
I run my finger around each pocket to see if I can feel any nail heads
that can nick my balls. If so I use the house balls. I measure the
pockets point to point in the corner. I want to know if they are 4 ¾
or 5" as this will depend on how hard I shoot and how much I cheat
the pocket. I have a rail height gauge and I run it under ever rail
and you would be surprised how many tables I find that have one rail
higher than the other one. The rail bolts may be loose or missing and
banks on that rail will be different so I won't attempt banks on it.
I fire balls down the rails to test the pocket speed the will accept a
shot. I lag up and down to test the speed of the cloth. Finally I
determine what a 3 rail bank shot is on that table as it is different
on every table.


http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html

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I put the cue ball in a corner and put a piece of chalk on diamond 2
marked as A. I use l/2 tip 3:00 English level cue with medium speed.
Note you aim and shoot through the diamond even if the cue ball hits a
diamond on the rail below that does not matter. If the table is normal
it will go 3 rails and pot the one ball in the other corner. If it
does not then I begin to experiment and shoot below or above diamond 2
until I find the spot it does pot at.
The distance between the diamonds is approximately a foot so I mentally
divide it into 10 parts. It the shot pots half way between B and A
then I remember that is l.5. If it pots half way between C & A then
its 2.5. If its 3/10ths right of A then its l.7. Now any time during
my stay there if a 3 rail bank comes up and I am hooked I hit that
memorized rail point and I pot.

Diamond 2 will be around where most bank in from but bad tables with
dead rails will bank in at 1. A new table with new rubber and brand
new Simonis will bank in around 3 and as the cloth ages and slows will
eventually degrade back to 2.

Tracks:

During a match you will be hooked and need to 3 rail to hit a ball and
not give up the cue ball but you will never be on your original track.
If the ball is to the right of that track.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html

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You put your cue on this original track, now you just pull your cue
over right keeping it parallel to that track until you are over the cue
ball and then shoot that parallel track.

If you get too far right of it then it may no longer connect and the
shot may not be possible with a 3 rail bank. I would then abandone the
parallel system and shoot towards C, Jack up and load up the cue ball
with extreme English and hit it hard to effect maximum spin the bend
the ball back on the track. You do the same thing when you get left of
the track. So no matter where the cue ball is in that area, find the
pot track, Diamond 2, then go parallel left or right of it to your cue
ball and shoot.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html

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You line up on diamond 2 A, pull parallel left and hit C, just the same
as when the cue ball was right of the main track line. Here is the
problem. If you have the new table and new cloth that connects on the
main track at diamond 3 and not 2 that suddenly puts the side pocket
hole in play and takes out a lot of track shots left of the main line.
I have to almost hit jacked up Masse shots to get back on track and
sometimes you can't and would have to resort to a 1, 2 rail bank or
some masse shot around the blocker ball. In the above diagram on such
a table the parallel track is now D and you hit the point of the
pocket. Banking on a pool table is much harder than on a billiard
table that does not have 6 large holes to dodge and avoid.

Now the other variable is the object ball is never going to be a duck
right in the pocket and it will be in different places.
If the OB is now at A and hitting diamond 2 pots in that corner hitting
one diamond left of two at C allows the cue ball to come in one diamond
long and hit or pot the one ball.

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If the one ball is now on D, the track to the corner is diamond 2 or A,
you shoot into B, diamond one in order to come in one diamond short.
When the cue ball and object ball are both off the original tracks you
do a double adjustment and mentally you can learn to see and calculate
tracks. You will be surprised after some practice you will be hitting
these balls and lot and now and then actually kicking them in which
will floor your opponent.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html

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The diamond system is a serious long term in depth study so consider
this a basic 101 introduction to it at best.

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BANKING How to make 3 rail banks and to find tracks for kicks. A
beginner's introduction into the diamond system.

3 pages, 7-9-05, CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved, published
in DC,bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, rsb, btt.

The proper name is a bank shot, a kick shot is slang for a bank. One
of the first things I do when I get on a new table is find out where
the 3 rail bank shot aim point is at. I keep shooting it until I find
it. I hit the bank with medium speed with running English. You shoot
through, not at the diamond or aim point.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

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Put the cue ball in front of pocket C, bottom left, shoot into A, or
diamond two and on most older used pool hall tables, you will 3 rail
your bank to pot the 9 in top bottom left pocket marked B.
This will vary on every table and on some this could be 1.5 or 2.2.
When I find the spot I memorize and remember it for the day. Tomorrow
when the temperature of the rubber and humidity of the cloth change
that number and I will have to find it all over again.
On really bad rubber that aim point might be diamond one, to the right
of aim point A. On a brand new table, brand new Simonis, new rubber,
they always bank a diamond short and most of those aim points will be
diamond 3, on one table recently it was 3.5 which was a disaster.
Diamond 3 is one diamond to the left of A. Hit the shot with a level
cue, half tip running which is right, 3:00 and the shot will repeat.
That is your base track. During the day you will get hooked and this
shot will come into play.

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During the game if the 9 ball is now sitting on diamond six marked B,
and your hooked, and you know on this table diamond 2 hits the corner
pocket diamond 8 then your new aim point is diamond one, not two to
kick the 9 ball into the pocket.

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We move the 9 ball to diamond 7 marked B, shoot into A which is diamond
3 to pot the 9 in the corner.

Once we begin to understand and memorize these new tracks, we can also
kick in balls off of these base tracks.

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If you find the cue ball to the right of the base track, just shoot
parallel to it.

If the cue ball is left of the track, same thing, shoot parallel. This
can become a real problem is your 3 rail base line is diamond three as
tracks left of it will bring in the left side pocket and some shots
will not be possible, or will require a severe jack up and masse
massive spin to twirl the cue ball back on the track.

If you wondered how Efren was kicking in all these balls, this is it.

"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words
of Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds
of people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those
who wonder what happened."

Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,
leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well with your boots on owing
no man nothing. May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead. In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't
take your self, or anything too serious, just be happy and healthy.
Laughter good whiskey and song is the best medicine. If you have a
library, a garden, a good woman and a barrel of Scotch, you have all
you need. Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the
way. Aristole said " Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of
life, the whole aim and end of human existence." Die happy and you
lived a good life. God bless American, the land of the free and of the
brave.

.

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BANKING FOR THE BEGINNER OR INTERMEDIATE

9-30-04, Rev I, 6-1-05, six pages cr by Fast Larry Guninger all
rights reserved. Published in. Bpn, czm, upp, rsb, ppt, btt. Flp.

Most of my cross banks I hit very firm and hard. They have no English
on the cue ball using 6:00 low draw and stop ball using l/2 tip to one
tip below center. Most bankers feel hitting the cue ball with low draw
will put over spin running on the Object ball. I do this on all banks
unless the angle begins to get tough, then I will throw the bank. Two
concepts you must observe, very hard banks shorten the angle, and soft
banks allow that angle to widen.

Note I am making these diagrams on a table that has used and very poor
rubber quality which is getting soft, like most of the tables you are
now playing on in your pool hall. Diagram one is a simple cross bank
shot. The beginner learns how to bank here.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

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You will find most banks form an A, and seeing these angles in, angles
out is all you need to know to make most of these shots. No system,
just see the A, from the railbirds view point it is a V, then shoot the
A. It does not go any deeper than this. On my table that is diamond
1.6, Marked with the A, on yours it could be 1.4. Keep shooting this
angle with just the cue ball using a nice hard shot until you find the
spot it pots at, then mark that spot with a chalk. Cross bank the shot
into pocket B. Note once you hit that same speed the shot repeats.
It does not matter if you hit the cue ball low, middle or high, it's
the speed and force that determines the angle. If you cut the force in
half, the ball will now bank one full diamond short left hitting the
short rail a foot before the pocket.

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Our first lesson is to learn to shoot all banks at the same hard speed,
unless there is some reason not to, as you need to play shape on
another ball. You control the angles of the banks with speed, not with
English.

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Now repeat the shot using the same angle, but shoot the cue ball into
the one ball and use low, middle, high. Note if you retain this same
speed, the ball pots no matter where you hit the Cue ball at. Now try
and English the shot in, using one or two tips right, which is supposed
to put left running English on the object ball and it will come in long
missing to the left of the pocket, which is does not. Then use right
English on the cue ball which is to put reverse right on the object
ball and it will bank short missing to the right of the pocket, which
is does not. If you hit it right, they both pot. The problem is using
English that far away means you will miss the OB pure on the nose and
the OB will go flying off every way but true. So now move the cue ball
up 6" away from the OB and hit the same shots this time using two
tips out, left and right, and they both still pot if you maintain the
same force. What you learn is that you can transfer running or reverse
into the object ball, just does not work and it is not worth the
trouble and the loss of accuracy to even mess with it. Very little
English can be transferred to object ball on this full ball hit. So
begin your banking career if you are a beginner with out using any
English on your banks and just see the A and hold the A with the speed
of your shot. You new banking system is Angle in Angle out, same angle
in, produces the same angle out or the perfect A.

I teach a different banking method to the league 2-3-4 level people.
They are usually playing slop which means if you cross bank and miss
the side, you can go back over table and slop in and count the pocket.
There is no call shot in their world. As their banks are going to be
less accurate than the higher level 6 and 7 level players I give them a
method to help with their slop ins.

The shoot becomes crooked. The line in this movie by W.C. Fields was,
I would like to find something in this joint that ain't crooked.

The advantage of hitting this bank with low left draw is it helps
throw the shot right on the line and if you miss the first bank short
it comes off the rail with running English and the angle will open and
widen where you can make it in the other side pocket. This would be
the way to play a 9 ball shot or any shot in 8 ball if you are on
solids or stripes. If you were playing 8 ball call shot where if you
make the 8 in the wrong pocket then you shoot this shot with draw 6:00
no English and if you miss the pot short left, the 8 will reverse
English off the rail and miss the pot missing left of the other side
pocket giving you a safety valve to rely on. All of us have felt the
frustration of making the 8 in this situation in the wrong pocket only
to lose and here is how you stop that.

The below diagram shows you called side pocket A, but the shot widens
up to pot in side B to sell out.
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This diagram is the sell out shot where the angle opens and runs.
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This shot is open to pot in side pocket A or B.
Put the cue ball on the break spot where the one racks and now just
cross bank the cue ball into the side pocket using center ball. You
will note when you miss the bank the cue ball straightens out and loses
its running English and angle. On most tables it will not juice back
over wide but come off on a straight angle. Now do it again and juice
up the cue ball, bank with two tips out left English, note when you
miss the object ball will continue to widen with each rail you hit and
will usually continue to do that off of 3 rails. You just put run on
the OB.

That is what I want to teach you are to how to transfer that running
English from the cue ball to the object ball. On the shot you set up
running on the object ball was putting right running on it and to
achieve that you put the opposite on the cue ball which was left.
English reverses just like the gears on an old watch, one gear goes one
way and makes the other gear go the opposite direction. Same concept
at play here as well. Also bank with medium force as that helps the
angles widen for you nicely. Bank harder and those angles narrow.

Your advantage in this method is if your bank comes up short you have
an excellent chance to cross bank back across the table and pot in the
other side pocket. Both side pockets are always on and your percentage
of now making your bank just doubled.

When you have a cross bank of the 8 this is now a call shot and if you
miss the bank short and pot it cross table you lose so you always bank
the 8 using center ball 6:00 with a tad of draw and if it hits the long
rail short, when it comes off it will not run and widen to cross pot,
it will actually reverse and kill the angle and miss the other side.
You shoot this hard which will narrow both angles.

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Everyone agrees Eddie Taylor was the greatest banker of all time and
here is what he says and teaches on banks. I quote Mr. Taylor.
Learn to bank using the vertical center of the cue ball.
Use speed to control the angle.
Learn to bank with a "stun" speed on the cue ball.
Use side only when you need to play position that is not possible with
Center ball or to make a bank that is not "on" without it.

Eddie just confirmed what I just taught in this lesson. My lesson is
from Eddie and all the top bankers; they all banked this way using the
same methods.

When an object ball hits a rail with top spin coming in, the cushion
caves in some, then rebounds the OB off and it slides for a few inches
up to a foot and then the skid stops and the OB resumes it roll with
forward spin back on the ball. Banking is such an in exact science
because of the poor equipment out there which produces a zillion
variables. Your rubber can be K-66, and most are, but Diamond and a
few others are K-55 which produces a different rail profile and bank
reaction.

If you have Chinese cheap $20 rubber using a lot of fillers and
inferior rubber, the banks can vary by a diamond what $200 German
Artemis intercontinental rubber does. The same thing if your rubber is
brand new or old and worn out going soft. Older rubber on tables in
pool halls might have missing or loose rail bolts, the rubber can be
broken loose from people sitting on the rails and these are many of the
causes bank shots do not repeat. 90% of banks are hit in the same
small places and after rails in a pool hall are on 6 to 10 years these
become dead zones. When you bank into them, the shot comes off at a
different angle every time. When I get on such a table, I just stop
all banking in a game and play safe and in a trick shot show I drop my
bank shots and do other trick shots instead.

Some tables have the rails too high such as on gold crowns. Bank too
hard and the OB is forced under the rail and it spits out with back
spin. None of the banks repeat. Bank softer than normal and they
begin to work on them. If the rails are too low, or the rail angle has
its pitch too low the OB can jump off the rail rather than slide off of
it on the cloth? Even the cloth used has an effect, i.e. thick house
cloth will react different than 860 or the faster slicker 760. If you
have been having trouble trying to figure out why your bank shots are
missing, as you can see, it can be dozens of reasons. This is why
Mosconi hated banks even though he was great on them. He would bank 85
degrees over taking a bank. Me, I love them and have great confidence
in my abilities if the table banks well. I will make most banks 80% of
the time. Some of the easier ones I am 99% on.
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BAR TABLE RULES. THE BILLY JOE BOB RULE BOOK.
There is no rule book; we make it up as we go along.
3 pages, CR, Fast Larry Guningter, all rights reserved, 1-19-06., rev
12-27-06

Playing pool in bars is playing with morons who do not know squat rule
#1.\
Rule #2, in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Rule #3, red necks do not care what your rules are, they have their own
and you are expected to adapt to them.
Rule #4, if you do not know their rule book which does not exist, they
then have the legal right and obligation to kick the ever loving
she-yit out of you which will be backed and sponsored by the entire
bar.

What do you expect of red neck losers playing on a 20 year old dead
railed bar boxes from hell with a wall of house cues with screw on
tips. If they knew anything they would not be playing in this hell hole
nor would they put up with this bull she-yit.

No way you can tell them or explain to them cue ball in hand, or that
behind the line went out in 1973, they do not want to hear that, nor
can they possibly ever believe that lie. They look at you like you are
the moron for even saying that. Hell every one knows the cue ball
goes behind the line, that isn't even up for discussion.

Playing safe is called nigger pool by them, no offense to our black
readers; this is just a fact of life. You can go into one of Mike
Shamos books and read there once was a game called nigger pool which is
where the slang came from. The game was so slow and with so many safes
every hated the game. So when you begin to shoot safe, that is where
the saying came from when he says to you, I don't want to play no
nigger pool.

Listen to rap music, you hear nigger every other 3rd word so please no
body get offended here or go off on this please. That is not an insult
to you, just a pool playing term that has been around for centuries. I
put the first black pool player on national TV and also hired a black
man to run the TASA trick shot organization as my president for several
years. I Conduct free teaching clinics and trick shot shows for inner
city black YMCA's and Boy's and Girl's clubs. My secretary of
TASA was Asian and today I work with all Races in my work as my
activities are now global.

Playing safe is a break your thumbs offense. This gives any good drunk
bully now the right to kick your ass, especially if you beat him using
these banned rules which they consider cheating. They will be waiting
for you in the parking lot. I hope your health insurance is paid up in
full. That is why when I go into these dives I leave my
$600 3x6 leather case in the trunk and don't bring in my bushka. I
carry in a sneaky Pete with no case. Walking out the butt can become a
fine defensive weapon
And if I have to give it up busting it over Gomers head, that $125 is a
lot cheaper than going to the dentist.

The experienced red necks play safe a lot but make it look like a miss
which that is OK. It is OK for them to do this. It is not OK for you
to copy them. Once you become a regular in the joint you can then do
this with out fear of being cold cocked from behind with a full long
neck Bud. To play safe and not hide it is an ass kicking offense and
not tolerated. Your thumbs will be in casts tomorrow.

Never try and explain any rule of pool to a bar drunk, you may as well
walk out side and talk to the phone pole. They don't think because
none of them know anything. They do not play strategies or called
safeties. They have no rule book, they all know the rules and they are
subject to change during the game to defeat any outsider.
If you play in any way they do not care for, you are then accused of
being a cheater which then brings in the entire bar to come down on you
with a vengeance.
They hate out siders and cheaters. Count the number of people in the
bar, if it's 32, then if there is a rule argument and you are right,
32 people will tell you that you are wrong.
They never heard of a BCA or APA rule book, they know the rules, they
don't need a book. Play fast and ball bang, the harder you shoot the
more the bar hags think you are cool. If you can run 4 or 5 balls, you
are a God Damn hustler son. If you show up with your own piece of
chalk or a glove, you are a fookin hustler and they are taking numbers
on who kicks your ass.
All your safety play to be legal just be made to appear accidentital
which shows right there you are dealing with nitcompoops.

A crazy rule the hay seeds have it you have to call it clean. Say you
are shooting the 8 ball into the corner and it's blocked by his
stripe. The clearance for the 8 ball to clear and go in not touching
the stripe is zero. The red neck rule is you have to call it clean, it
goes in not touching anything or you call it off the stripe, a carom
in. You look at the shot and go for it to go in clean I could shoot
that a zillion times and not do it. So you call the carom and it goes
in clean. You make the 8 ball as called but lose by their dumb ass
rules. Like I told you, they are morons totally out of the main steam.
These goobers are dumber than rocks or blond bird dogs.

They have rules where the cue ball is frozen against the rail and they
can move it off cause that's the house rules. When shooting they can
put their hand over another ball and use it for a bridge, don't even
think about telling them that is a foul if you want to see the sun come
up tomorrow or ever eat corn on the cob ever again.

Do not play drunks. If you get into a dispute, quit, take him to the
bar, pay him for the game and buy him a drink, be friendly. That is
cheaper than new dental work.
Do not hustle drunks, this can get you very rich fast, and also very
dead as well.

If playing for any bet in any bar, Cod, tell them, there is no bet
until you see their money on the rail, this solves later collection
problems which is what really leads to fights. If you don't, half
will lose and then just walk off like what are you gonna do about it
bubba. No woman in a bar ever pays when she loses either, but if she
wins, she expects you to pay her and will be backed by the entire bar
on that one.

Never ever explain to them the rules, or how it is done in your big
time pool room or on TV, this drives the bozos wild with anger. They
don't give a flip about your rules or your BS.

You have a lot of losers who go to a bar to get drunk, play pool and
have a good fight, or look for some body they can bully and whip. That
makes their night. Learn to spot this ass hole and never play him
pool. The problem is it is hard to spot him usually until it is too
late. He lays back to trap you. He can be cordial and then turn on
you like a snake.

These are very dangerous environments so you just exercise great care.


Before a game you may try to draw out most of the rules but understand
they change them as they go along and that is their privilege and
it's their world.

Once more, in Rome, do as the Romans do. Do not take your world into
theirs and pontificate to them how it is, how they should act and how
they should play.

Bars are very safe to go drink at the bar and keep your conversations
friendly. Playing people strange to you for money in bars is very
dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. Play for a beer, a buck
a game, win, you lose, do not dominate them and they will all love you.
So go in, drink, have fun, lay down your skills, play with the natives
and leave in one peace. Be smart, Bars and pool for money is a
vocation of very high risk. If you want to make a living at this, have
a .32 gun in your pocket boy and a razor in your shoe, keep the caddy
running out on the curb headed into the on coming traffic with your ho
sitting at the wheel with the back door open.

I am sorry, this is a very rough article, and it was not intended to
offend any black, white, red neck or country group of people. Its
intent is a guide for city people to enter these peoples world and get
along and make friends by knowing their rules of conduct. Consider
this a collegiate or yuppie survival guide.

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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between us.
If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May the wind
be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Latin for "I came, I saw, I
conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can
believe it, or not. If you don't believe it, C'est La Vie. " Shoot
straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy then
there is no way for you to lose.
Either lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way. Do one of the

three please? Come celebrate the wonder of this beautiful game with me


and become a student of it.
Be my friend, walk my way, flow with what I teach you and you will soar
like the Eagle into levels of excellence you never dreamed possible.

Play by feel, not by systems; do not make a simple game complicated. Go


with what you know, go with what is natural.

"Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen." In the words of


Vince Lombardi, "When it comes to the future, there are three kinds of
people: those who let it happen, those who make it happen, and those

who wonder what happened." Vince said you've got to pay the price.
Winning is not a sometime thing, it's an all the time thing. Winning

is a habit, unfortunately so is losing. If winning isn't every
thing, then why do we keep score."

Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. Ride em hard, put em up wet,
leave the ladies smiling. Live free, die well with your boots on owing

no man anything. May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead? In time, it's all dust in the wind anyway. Don't


take your self, or anything too serious, just be happy and healthy.
Laughter good whiskey and song is the best medicine. If you have a
library, a garden, a good woman and a barrel of Scotch, you have all
you need. Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the way.

I am just a simple teacher. All that I now know, is that I now know


nothing. I am nothing but a good ball banger who teaches a good lesson

and puts on a good trick shot show, that is the only two things I do
well in life.
Aristotle said "Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the


whole aim and end of human existence." Die happy and you lived a good

life. Work now like you are going to live forever, live now like you
are going to die tomorrow.

Fast Larry Guninger, real man, real pool player, real American, real
Christian." God bless the land of the free and of the brave. Fáilte
Roimh Cheartúcháin, Go dtuga Dia suaimhneas síoraí dó.

Minnesota Fats: Larry's teacher said? "When I played pool I was like


a psychiatrist. I cured 'em of all their daydreams and delusions."

"You don't learn from smart people, you learn from idiots. Watch what
they do, and then don't do it." Learn to be a lock smith. If you


should be giving the 7 and the snap, don't play for money unless you
sell the pigeon he should give you the 7 and the snap. Then you never
lose. Never put heat on your self, pressure is self induced; only you

can put in on, only you can take it off. The toughest player mentally


wins when skills are equal. "Golf is 90% mental and 10% physical." --

Ben Hogan "I am the toughest golfer mentally." -- Tiger Woods
Fast Eddy, Paul Newman, in The Color of Money: "Money won is twice as


sweet as money earned." FL says always have something riding on every

match, it steels the nerves. Fast Larry came up with the real Fast Eddy
in the legendary Kling and Allen's pool hall in KCMO and they were
life long friends.

W. C. Fields: "Trust everyone-and always cut the cards." You can't


con an honest man. Never wise up a sucker or Give a sausage an even
break

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Quotes from FL. Exercise is not cracked up to be what it really is.


If God intended for me to be able to touch my toes he would have put my

toes where my knees are now. The trouble with jogging is the ice falls


out of my scotch glass. If I knew I was going to live this long I

would have taken better care of my self. I am not afraid to die, I


just don't want to be there when it happens. I would rather be in
Philadelphia.

I drink because it makes people more interesting and my wife better
looking. It aint easy being me. I really didn't say everything I

said. I get no respect, that's the entire problem, no respect.

Yappinwolf

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NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. THEY REALLY DON'T. ACCEPT THAT AND
MOVE ON WITH YOUR PATHETIC LIFE AS A TOILET PLUNGER SALESMAN.

Insincerely,
The Yap Wolf

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That is the hat you wear over the steel plate in your head. I was a
electronic sales engineer, selling items up to $500,000, then an
international sales and marketing mgr, then a CEO of a corporation
little bean counter nobody. I retired and now play pool for a living
and wander the earth like Cane. Most would kill for my way of life and
existense. You can't stand it to see somebody teach and do good, can
you vampire of hate. Debra Li Sapolis, wife of Blackjack David Sapolis
of Plano, Texas. That would be about all your drug infested loser
hubbie would be able to qualify to sell, a plunger on a stick. That
must have been hell for you to stop posting hate for 2 days during
Xmas. Doesn't it feel good to get back hurting and damaging people
once more vampire?

fast...@gmail.com

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8 BALLS ON THE BREAK, THE WORLD RECORD.
PROPOSITION BANKS.
Trick shot: The impossible cut.

10-26-04 9 pages CR Fast Larry Guninger Bpn, czm, upp, rsb, ppt,
btt.

In 1961 I made 8 balls on the snap at 9 ball and set the world record.
The only two balls that did not fall were the cue ball and the 9 ball.
It was the worst roll of all time. This is the diagram of the shot and
how I missed it and how it should have been performed. This is
presented as a lesson to learn new shots and to know what to do and
what not to do if this ever comes up for you. This can also be a good
proposition bet to make and you can learn a new trick shot that has
real game applications. For how to open the Wei table diagram that is
at the bottom along with the rest of the story on the world record.
After the break and 8 balls fell this was the table lay out I faced.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

Long bank of the 9. I knew it could bank, I knew it could go, I also
knew my chances of making it were very bad due to the 4 l/2" very
tight pockets I was playing on. I just did not know how bad the odds
were on the shot at the time.

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%Qq8N6%RB6M3%Sn7Z5%TC5Y7%WE9O6%Xo8O5%Ym5[0%ZD7O9%eA0`9 )END

Set up this shot, tell them the story of the 8 on the break and the
shot I was left, then bet them a beer they can't make the bank I
missed to sell out on. Give them 3 snaps, hell if they don't bite,
give them 5 snaps. This looks so easy, but it's a bear to make.
Most will take the bet and don't know it's a sucker shot.

I shot the cue ball with reverse English from A, 8' down table to the
9 ball frozen on the rail at B and tried to long back it back up table
into C and hung the 9. This looks like an easy bank but it is
extremely hard and there is a huge double kiss out there. It is very
hard to bank this shot into the corner pocket D, it tends to come in
one diamond short on you. There is an extremely thin area to hit on
the 9 where the shot goes and it double kisses out and misses, very
thin. I did not know this shot in 61 but today I would cut the 9 in D
which is a 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 shot for me now. The long bank is a one in
25 at best and on some tables if the rubber is not right it can barely
be made.

The shot is on and I have over banked it one full ball wide right long
missing the entire pocket so it goes, but the enemy is the distance of
the shot trying to hit this tiny point which is not forgiving and
knowing if you push it you kiss out. To make the shot you gamble to
beat the kiss. It's a gamble you lose on.

A shot that has half of a chance is to 3 rail it up into C, but the
odds on this on one snap are again poor. I would have to have 10 snaps
to bet on it.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

3 Rail bank of the 9.
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)END

Here is the proper shot to make, it's called the Impossible shot, I
had it in the Tasa world championship in the mid 90's and it's in
the event still today. You aim at the right side of the 9 ball at B
trying to hit a l/3rd ball hit and cut, you hit left English which
squirts and deflects the cue ball out right of the aim line, then the
English takes about half way down and the shot curves back in. The
secret to the shot is to hit the rail first, then you kick into the 9
with the loaded English and the ball cuts into the left corner C
hugging the rail.

This is usually done with a jacked up cue using low left or high left,
1 tip out at 7:30 or 10:30, I shoot it with level cue 3 tips out at
9:00. When my eyes were good I used to bet you I could make it
shooting the cue ball not in front of the short rail at A, but from on
top of the rail. I got a lot of takers on that one. I asked for 10
snaps but would bet on as little as 5. Mike Sigel used to shoot this
same shot. This is a great bar box bet, but not a good on a 9'
table.

Once you master this standard impossible cut from the table bed you
should be able to make it most of the time in 3 snaps and in 5 most of
the time. If you talk some newbie into giving you 10 snaps you just
robbed him. Most will bet on the shot because they can not see any way
you can possibly make it. This shot was unknown in 1961 which was why
I did not pull the trigger on it. The shot did not emerge until the
70's when St Louie Louie began to shoot it in his shows and on later
video tapes for Meucci cues.

The Impossible cut, a trick shot.
*******************************************************

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html


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This shot appears to be much harder but its not, it's the same shot,
you just hit it harder for the longer travel. No matter where this
thing is, hit that rail first just in front of that ball with a loaded
cue ball and it goes down.


http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html
An easy impossible cut.
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Once you learn the shot you will begin to use it a lot. Knowing you
can make it at the extreme angles posted above gives you great
confidence to twirl the OB in when you have a less than extreme angle
as this diagram show. I have faced this shot in some real critical
money and tin cup matches and pulled it off for victories at least a
dozen times and the house went wild when I made it. One note of
warning, the shot comes up a lot with you being doomed. If you make
the shot you buy into a dead scratch you cannot escape from so you need
to learn the angle out from this shot which is usually about 90 degrees
straight back up the table with the angle in. When the shot comes up
and the sell out is with it, play safe or 2 or 3 rail it, those are
your only options.

The impossible cut off of the rail, a show shot.
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My old show shot I used to shoot off of the rail, just to give you boys
a little challenge today.

The story of the 8 balls on the break. The year was 1961, Kansas City,
Missouri. I had grown up playing in the old big time rooms on 5x10's
with 4 l/2" pockets on 1912 Brunswick tables in Kling and Allen's
and when it closed I went over to Millers at 12th and Grand downtown.
The original Fast Eddy and I came up in the same room together. Bennie
Allen was my first teacher, Mosconi was house pro there for 4 years,
Minnesota Fats was there so often out of Chicago he began to call
himself Kansas City Fats. Omaha Fat was a regular coming down out of
Omaha for weeks at a time. In that era, the top joints in the country
were NYC, Philadelphia, Chicago and KCMO. The top sticks traveled that
big time pool room circuit.

I was right in the middle of all these legends. When the big time
downtown rooms closed as they were doing all over the country and the
game virtually died in 1957 I moved out to 46th and Troost to Pauls,
there were 3 places there, one block away was a bar with bar boxes and
nice evening action, across the street was a down stairs room that was
pretty dead, no action, but it had a one pocket table with only 2
pockets and billiard rails. I used to go in there to practice my
straight rail I worked every day in order to attack the 9 ball. I
would go down to 31st and Troost which was a block from where I was
born and grew up now and then for action but I played mostly in Pauls
at that time. He had a perfect 10' snooker table, very tight tables
in perfect shape and the gamblers played on it during lunch for high
stakes. Omaha Fat was a regular in those games. So was an ex Canadian
national snooker champion. Keith, Tony, Martin Kiaman was the main
sticks you came in there after.

There was a loose pocket snooker table not in good shape and about 6 or
7 tables, all 1920's Brunswick's in a straight line, the room was
very narrow and small. All the pool tables were full sized 4x8' and
all had tight pockets which were common for that era, 4 l/2" was the
standard. The room was filled with nothing but gamblers and they liked
the tight pockets as well.

Early that year playing 8 ball, I made 8 balls on the break, the year
was 1961. I would never do that ever again. I have made 7 five times
since on 9' tables, but never 8. I was breaking with a 20oz Willie
Hoppe Titelist cue with a Chandeviert Champion soft tip. A few months
later I would make 8 balls again but this time it would be at 9 ball.
As there was no internet, no magazines and little communications or
books on the game at that time, over a decade would pass before I would
realize I had set two world records. At the time I just thought it was
an amazing luck shot which is what they both were.

I broke the balls like Lassiter did in Johnston City in 61 and that
break has been out of style now for decades, very unreliable, but can
produce a lot of balls going in because it causes secondary collisions,
meaning the cue ball, breaks the ball twice, which is necessary for any
big break to occur. Something weird has to happen to alter their
normal paths and get them all running into each other. With the pros
breaking off of the long rail, 8 will never be made that way and my
record will be the only one in pool to stand for all time. Who could
possibly make 9? The best that can happen is somebody may someday make
8 and just tie me but it has been 43 years and that has not happened.
If any body does and it's not in a room full of people at a tourney,
then my position is prove it, if you cant, shut the F up on it.

All I did then was gamble on my game, that was all there was. The BCA
went out of business and tossed all of their files in the dumpster in
57, Mosconi retired, Greenleaf and Hoppe died around that time and the
game went out and flat died as a sport. The world championships and
the US OPEN stopped in 57 and did not resume until 66.
I did not go to the first Hustlers jamboree in Johnston City in 1961 &
only 12 showed up but Omaha Fat talked me into going in 62 and I went
there every year and played in the back room until the joint was busted
by the feds. Every year the top 100 pool hustlers showed and played
for a month until only one had most of the loot. When they busted out
they went home. That was the game I came up into, back room gambling,
no world championship, no tour, no tournament, just match up in a smoke
filled back room. The world championship was that of the hustler's
world. Jansco's ran it.

There was another hustler in Pauls who was a couple of years older than
me and a notch better. I played him a lot for money and always lost.
It was usually close but he would always pull it out or my inexperience
would do me in. He was very good, very hard to beat and did not choke
for money. I was practicing hard and was working with Minnesota Fats
and Omaha Fat and was working on what they were teaching me. My game
was really coming on hard. I figure at that time I might had been 10th
in skill in the city. This is not Hahira, but a major pool center,
Kcmo & I was on my way. In a few years my skill level rose to about
50th in the country, few could or did beat me back then. The ones who
could I knew who they were and never played them. I was taught to only
hunt weak prey and be a locksmith.

I began playing the Kid at lunch 9 ball on the pool table up front
which was the gambling best table. Very tight pockets, nice new cloth.
Paul was an expert table mechanic and kept his tables playing world
class. We played through dinner and well into the evening. He would be
up 3 games, I would bring it even and it sea sawed back and forth,
neither could take out the other guy. It was now 2am and Paul said I
am going home, you are the last two bums in da joint, wrap it up or
move it some other place. I said, race to 10, the kid said Ok. I
said, for all I have on me, he said, read my mind. He won the lag and
ran 3 racks in a row. I fought back but could not cut the gap. He had
me 9-7 and it looked like I was toast and he broke, came up dry and I
ran out, broke, ran out, 9-9, hill hill. Every dime I have is now
riding on this snap. I figure the only way I can win is bust them big
and run out because the kid is so hot and on he is not missing any
thing.

I break with all I have and griped it and ripped it. Balls are flying
around everywhere, its like the table sprung a leak, they are falling,
running into each other and bouncing in, when the smoke cleared 8 balls
fell and the only two balls that did not were the cue ball and the 9
ball. When I saw where they were I just stood there dumbstruck with my
jaw dropped like a deer staring into headlights. How could it be
possible the 9 did not go and how was it possible I could pull this
leave. The kid and Paul busted out laughing so hard I thought Paul
would buy the farm. He said I have been in a pool hall every day since
1890 and that is the dam nest most unbelievable thing I have ever saw
bar none. These two can't shut up and they are rattling me as I am
mentally now beginning to panic badly.

All I can see is a long bank and I know that shot sucks the big weenie.
In those days, you did not play safe that was just not kosher.
That could get your thumbs broke if you did. When you had a shot like
this, you were supposed to shoot it. So I did, tried the long bank and
hung the 9 in the tight pockets. The kid taps the 9 in, picks up the
bundle of cash and waltzes out the door laughing like hell. I wanted
to die, I wanted to harm my self, but I chilled, got in my blue 58
Chevy impala with the 409 and double 4 barrels and pealed rubber for a
half a block I was so upset. I went home and got very bad drunk. That
did not help.

The shot, the worst roll of all time.
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

START( %A[4\6%B[4\8%C[4\7%D[5\6%E[3\6%F[5\9%G[3\8%H[3\7%IC9O6%Pq3O3
%Qq8N6%RB6M3%Sn7Z5%TC5Y7%WE9O6%Xo8O5%Ym5[0%ZD7O9%eA0`9 )END

I went around for years telling this story. The story of the worst
roll of all time. The story did not get out of the Midwest. In that
era I traveled 3 states in a route every month, Mo, Ks, Iowa and that
was my world then. Vegas, there was no strip and it was nothing then.
We went to Hot Springs, Arkansas and Johnston City, Illinois for our
action that was our Vegas then. I would do a trip now and then to
Vegas, or Chicago, NYC, Phil just to test my game a couple of times a
year. I changed my appearance constantly and never played any one of
note. I just played rich nobodies for money. Nobody knew who I was
and I kept it that way.

In 1973 my world expanded when I moved to Florida and now began doing a
monthly tour of the SE. I retired from gambling that year after 16
years of competition. I would become a casual player until 1993, when
I would get serious again and set my 3rd world record making a 10 rail
bank. A few years later I would begin traveling the entire USA, then
the Western Hemisphere, then the world.

As I got around during the early 70's I played in only C&W honky
tonks with bar boxes and avoided all pool halls and big time rooms. It
was easy picking taking out the drunks and cowboys; they had no clue
who they were playing. I was informed my 8 on the break had never been
done before and it was a world record, I was astonished to hear that.
I went back to KCMO to try and tie down the event with a signed letter
and when I got there Pauls was closed and he had has passed on. The
kid who was a real punk gambler and nice a nice person dumped on some
really bad ass people and they shot his ass. The only two people who
saw it were now gone so all I had left was my word on it and being a
giant nobody that meant I did not have she-yit. When I explained that
the punks went oh how convenient that lie is.

When important people hear about something a nobody did which I was
then, or see a nobody do a cool trick shot, they just steal and take it
for their own and there is nothing you can do about it. I have said
before, it's a very long line of thieves here.

Yes you guessed it several over the last 4 decades some big shot pros
heard the story and stole it as their own as they were the one to do
it. One pro backed off on doing that any more when I offered to part
his hair over it with a house cue and was serious as a heart attack
about it. The other one, no names, not only stole my 8 on the break
story but also my teachers story as well when Omaha Fat went through
the floor on game ball and put both in his book. This guy is now in a
wheel chair and later became a friend of mine so no name but he was a
very famous 14.1 champion and did a famous beer shot commercial on TV.
This guy being a straight pool guy all his life had a break like Crane,
Neither one could bust a wet paper bag at 9 ball, give me a break here.


Every time I publish this some punk comes along and goes oh I made 8,
sure you did punk. When I published this story on ccb and az a year
ago some punks put out a video showing them making all 9 on the break,
yes this was exposed as a computer hoax and not even a good one. I
have gone through 4 decades of people stealing this from me or calling
me a flat our liar and a fraud. In 1993 I had enough of this crap and
Issued a challenge, Byrne can verify it went out to everyone. It was
this; I own the 8 balls on the break at 8 ball and 9 ball period.
Nobody else has ever done it. If you have, stand up now or forever
hold your peace. If you say you have, I will challenge you for all the
money you can raise that you cannot pass a lie detector test you did do
this. I did this, you did not.

For any one who thinks I lie about this, here is your chance to expose
me as a liar and get rich in the process. I will accept any challenge
to say I did not, you must put up 10 grand, I will fade that with 100
grand in escrow, if I pass a lie detector test I win your 10, if I fail
the FBI test, you win the 100K. Nobody has every stepped up to say
they did it or to challenge me that I did not. I put my money where my
mouth is and figured that would shut every one up over that. Sorry to
say it did not and punks on the internet still harass me on these two
world records I cannot prove because who in the hell was running around
with a camera in a pool hall in 61 that did not work for MGM. In the
joints I played in, bring out a camera and most put on sunglasses or
ran to the bathroom. All I can do is pass a lie detector test that
said I did and if you don't believe I can show up on my door step.

All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it
is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident. -
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788

I did do it, I do own these world records and bet a fortune once to
prove it. That is the real story, as it was, so help me God with my
hand now on our family bible. Let me sign my name to that. Fast Larry
Guninger.

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THE WEI POOL TABLE, HOW TO OPEN AND VIEW IT.

The following code below makes no sense and is a bunch of gobble gook
numbers and letters but they will open up the shot and display it for
you to view. If you do open the code you will see on of my favorite
show shots where I make 5 balls in one stroke a shot I invented. The
shot takes a lot of skill to pull off.
We need to do a little work to make this table viewing or drawing of
shots now happen. This may seem complicated but once you do this once,
the 2nd time is easy. Just left click on the corner at the bottom
right of the last word of the code words below and then pull the mouse
cursor up the left side to the top , blue it all in, then right click
and hit copy when the box drops. You do not do that on the code below,
this is an example of what it looks like. You blue in and copy the
code you see posted on the forum you are reading. You then have to
dump that code into the wei table you must now produce, read on.
ACTUNG, WHEN YOU COPY THE BELOW CODE, DO NOT COPY THE LAST LINE THAT
SAYS END, BEGIN YOUR COPY ON THE LINE ABOVE IT ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND
SIDE ON THE LETTERS AND CODES.

START( %A[9D0%B[3\6%CZ9\0%D[1\0%EZ6D0%F\0E3%GZ9\7%HC9C1%IC8D1%PZ9L0
%QX5A7%Rs4B0%SA3B1%UZ8C0%VZ6C4%W[8C0%X[9C3%Y[1F7%Z[0K5%[q6C9
%\\8E3%][1E4%^[2E6%eB4`7%_E5D4%`L4E0%aR4C4%bS8D1%cV8E1%dZ0D2 )END

To see the 5 in 3 Fast Eddy's Easy Action trick shot you must first
acquire and display the wei pool table.
Put your mouse cursor arrow over and on the underlined link on the next
line down for the table to appear.
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/8ball.html
Left click it twice fast. If the http above does not display an
underline it will not open and you will have to copy it and put it in
your internet explorer and hit enter for the table to appear.

If it is underlined and does not open, then hold down ctrl at the
bottom left of your key board and left click on your mouse and then it
will appear. Before you do that write down the instructions in the
paragraph below as they are going to vanish once you click the link on
the wei table? Print out a hard copy of this and tape it by your cpu
monitor.

When you see the pool table with 15 balls in a rack that is not the
shot. You now have the table up and you can remove the rack of balls
and view the shot the author is sending you. At the bottom right click
the green paste tab that is just below the red tab. You will get a box
that drops over the table, left click OK, once or twice if the box
comes back and the shot then appears. Left click the red X in the top
right corner to remove the box and see the shot if the box does not go
away on its own. See, it was not that hard and being able to see and
understand the shot is worth the work to reveal it.
Fast Loves ya, have fun with the shot.

If you want to draw and compose a shot to send to me you take your
mouse and put your cursor arrow over the ball and or balls you want to
place and drag and drop them where you want them. The un used balls
drag and drop in a pocket. Go to the cue ball and move the black dot
to show where the cue tip hits the ball.

There are several colored arrows below the bottom right of the table.
Grab the bottom of the arrow and place on the cue ball, now grab and
drop the top arrow on the object ball. Don't use the yellow ones
unless drawing a masse shot and you want to draw a curve. With a
little practice and skill you will be designing shots in no time.
You may need to download a plug in: Macromedia website
You can find the latest shockwave plug in from
www.macromedia.com
Downloading the table
For Mac users, you can find it at
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/download/pooltable2.sea
for window users, you can find it at
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/download/pooltable2.exe

Yappinwolf

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You were never a CEO of anything. You have been a loser for your entire
life. Everything you have touched has turned to shit, including your
so-called career in pool. Give it up - nobody cares what you have to
say - its all bullshit and lies - that is all you have to sell - and
constructing your big pile of bullshit is all that you have
accomplished in life. Go to hell and stay there.


-YW-

fast...@gmail.com

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((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((***))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I was a CEO for over a decade. I had an entire room of nobody bean
counters like you adding up the millions I was selling and making.
People like you are nothing but mindless clerks with a knack for match.
That is the two things chinese do best, bean count and do laundry. At
those two things, they have no match.

It does not matter what you sell, as long as you make people think they
want it. It could be a moon rock, or a zip lock back of wonder dogs
she-yit. Market it well and somebody dumb like you will buy it.

Take Minnesota Fats as a study, he sold nothing but bull shit and made
millions doing exactly that. Being a great bull shitter got him
elected into the BCA hall of fame. As usual, Debra Li, you do not have
a clue.

I am going to heaven, it is you, who are on the express bus to hell
lady. I move out in the rapture, you swim in a molten sulfer lade of
fire for all of eternity. That is the fate, you choose for your self.

Yappinwolf

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Surrrrrrre you were Larry.....

You have never amounted to anything in life - remember I checked
thoroughly? I guess you forgot about all of that ...rotflmfao!!!

CEO? Get real...

Your life is one bumbling failure after another - its amazing that you
havent put a bullet in your head to end it all.

You are a pathetic losr - a pathological liar - a bullshit artist - and
all of that has cemented you in the position you currently have in life
-

Nobody believes you. Nobody should believe you. You are a scammer. You
are a liar. That is the pattern of your entire life. After 63 years,
you should have learned that lesson - but you haven't.

Now... Go to hell and stay there.... Oooops - I forgot - you're already
in hell

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

fast...@gmail.com

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The Dali Lama teaches that those who have their hearts filled with hate

Shall never know true happiness. You poison your soul. You are then
Condemned to live a life he calls hell on Earth. You may think you are

Happy but you do not have a clue what real happiness is.

The two evil Chinese, Eric T Hu of Edison, New Jersey and Debra Li,
wife
David blackjack Sapolis of Plano, Texas attack Fl on the net every day
and
Others besides him. They post lies, hate, slanders and libels and even
death threats
Now towards three pro players. These were successful when they were
hiding under
Their rocks like the cowards they truly are. Now they are exposed for
the world to
See what kind of people they are. You would think they would get smart
and stop but they continue by just changing their handles and names to
confuse you.
As long as their Hearts and minds are filled with hate, they are dead
people inside.

Their evil Vendetta's turns them into internet monsters where they
hunt for new victims every day. Debra Li is known as the Vampire of
hate. She actually feeds on
Your anger which she tries to pull out of you. This sexually even
excites her. This is
No news flash to you that the internet has its share of psycho's,
stalkers and total loony tune fruit cakes. Meet the King and Queen, Hu
and Li.

For them to save their selves all they have to do is stop their attacks
of hate.
They then must embrace and love every one around them and on the net.
Once
They do that there can be no way they then can attack any one again.
Their heart
Will then be filled with warmth and happiness shall over flow so they
now live
Their lives in a heaven on Earth.

In China, there is a parable; Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Do not go out to seek revenge on your enemy with out paying a dreadful
cost. If you do, dig two graves, one for him, one for your soul.
Revenge kills your soul, hate poisons the soul. Revenge is never a
straight line. It is a dark forest and like a forest it is easy to get
lost inside of it. You get so deep and lost in your forest of hate
there is no light or exit out. Soon you forget why you are there and
hate seems now normal to you. Buddha teaches only love cures hate.

They have two choices, hell here, or heaven here. They have the key to
open the
Jail of hate they are now trapped in. All they have to do is walk out
the door of
Their cell. Just stop attacking people. Just let it ride. I pray
every day that
Some one gets that message across to them.

Everyday I post a lesson and come in here to teach and help players
advance into
A higher level of game. I give my time and lesson to you for free.
This is a positive
And a good thing.

Every day Eric T Hu and Debra Li Sapolis try to trash that effort and
to bust up
That teaching thread. That is a negative and a bad thing they do.
They contribute
Nothing to RSB but hate, anger and chaos.

As the world is filled with evil bad people, all I can do now is ignore
them and no
Longer respond to them. Let me instead just pray for them instead for
them to heal.

I COME HERE TO TEACH, NOT TO FIGHT. If you wish to fight may I suggest
you join the Marine Corps and ship off to Iraq, Semper Fi, Hoo Rah. Be
somebody. They can keep you busy; I can not and don't have time to
mess with any troll, Bozo or internet punk looking for me to entertain
them. If you call me a name, I shall turn the other cheek to you. If
you post lies about me which are untrue, that condemns your reputation
as a liar, not mine. I no longer respond to any of that crap, which
goes now where, accomplishes nothing and profits no one.

If you have any problem with me take it off here and bring it to me
personally at email fastlarry@ gmail run those two together. Call
me on the phone, I'll talk to you and explain any thing you want to
know.
Do not continue to trash RSB with fighting. If you have some sick
vendetta to settle, then bring it directly to me and get it off RSB.
You might also consider getting a life and moving on. Let us be at
peace here and be able to talk pool with out interference.
I would rather be your friend, if you will let me. If you won't?
C' est la vie, win some, lose some. Let me instead wish you all the
blessings from God that shall descend to you once your heart is full of
love and joy towards all of your fellow men. Let me extend my wish
peace can happen between us one day as well. All wars must end one
day, even ours.

Be sure to take the time, to smell the flowers along the way.

Aristotle said " Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the


whole aim and end of human existence." Die happy and you lived a good

life. God bless you and God Bless American, the land of the free and
of the brave. I am a real pool player. If you are too, then you are
my Brother and Fast loves you as my brother. May you have Peace and
happiness descend upon you and feel the warmth of love all around you.

fast...@gmail.com

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http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/preset/9ball.html

THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL WWW.FASTLARRYPOOL.COM
POOL LESSONS FROM A MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR. 770-381-6609
POOL QUESTIONS AND FREE INSTRUCTION IS ON
WWW.BILLIARDS-POOL.NET in the ask the pros forum.


"Fast Larry" Guninger and Wonder Dog, trick shot shows and
entertainment.

WWW.FA...@BELLSOUTH.NET www dot fastlarry at bellsouth dot net

THE WEI POOL TABLE, HOW TO OPEN AND VIEW IT.

Yappinwolf

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Doctor Schopenhauer

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Yappinwolf wrote:
> Bump


Doctor Arthur Schopenhauer, PHD, director of the Psychiatric ward
Beverly Hills Mental Health Clinic and Hospital
Beverly Hills, California 90210

Allow Doctor Artie to try and explain Debra Li to you. Her sickness is
so deep I could write a book on just her, but lets focus in on just one
of her many problems today.

She stands in the four foot range, under five feet. She weighs 90 lbs.
Any good Chimp in a zoo stands taller than her and out weighs her. For
a 3rd world Asian her height is just short, about normal for them is 5'
2". For an american she is considered a dwarf. She could be a Munskin
in the cast of the Wizard of Oz. She has what we call: A Napoleonic
Complex as a result of growing up around taller more powerful
Americans.

Every one has worked with or been around one of these giant ass holes
one time or another. They can drive you crazy. It makes her feel
powerful going off on a 250 lb 6' l" man to her is a giant and who is
literally 2 l/2 times her size. She has done this hiding under false
names and got by with these attacks for years.
She has most of the following symtoms. Reading about her mental
illness makes you better understand her malfunction.

* Dissociative Identity Disorder

People with this disorder have two or more distinct personalities.
Generally, an individual with this disorder has one personality that is
in the foreground the majority. This personality may or may not be the
"original" personality. This personality is called the host, or
primary personality.

Other personalities are called alters. These personalities are
different in that they do not spend the majority of the time in the
foreground. They do, however, often have the ability to communicate
with the primary personality. This phenomenon is called
co-consciousness. The primary personality may be able to hear the
voices of the alters, or even see mental images of them during periods
of co-consciousness. Alters do not have to be the same gender as the
primary, or even the same race.

Alters tend to have less range of emotion than the primary personality,
and their interests are less dynamic. For instance, a Protector-like
alter may only be able to feel anger, and only care about self
discipline and protecting the primary personality. Alters tend to be
fiercely loyal to the primary personality

While alters have their own names, they will almost always answer to
the primary's name if they are in the foreground and the primary
personality is "away" or otherwise incapacitated. Each alter has
his or her own Wisdom and Faith attribute, which is rolled separately
from the primary personality. In addition, Intelligence and Dexterity
can change by as much as two points up or down.

The result of triggering this insanity is that one of the alters comes
forward and the primary personality falls away. The triggering event
is usually specific things, like seeing blood, being touched, certain
words being said (like "sacrifice", or "death"). The trigger may be
specific situations, such as fighting, hiding, or sexual encounters.

During times of dissociation, the alter, not the primary personality,
gets the experience for the encounter. Thus it is possible for an
alter to initiate a separate class profession than the Primary
personality. However, alters will always be of a lower level than the
Primary.

The one advantage of having dissociative identity disorder is that it
is nearly impossible to be defeated in spirit combat. If an evil spirit
or other force overcomes the primary personality's Willpower, the
next most powerful alter rises to continue spirit combat (using the
alter's Willpower rating). If the alter is overwhelmed, then the next
most powerful alter takes over, using that alter's Willpower. Thus, a
character with dissociative identity disorder can be defeated in
spiritual combat only if the primary personality and all available
alters are defeated.

Victims of dissociative identity disorder are susceptible to also
acquiring the "self-harm complex" and "size distortion" mental
illnesses.

* Megalomania

People with this disorder tend to believe they are superior to everyone
else. When the insanity is triggered, the victim will believe his
Intelligence and Wisdom are two points higher and Strength and
Dexterity are one point higher. Moreover, the megalomaniac will
believe that his or her Comeliness and Charisma are three points higher
than what is actually the case. So annoying is the megalomaniac that
the perceived Charisma is actually three points less than actual (for
each intensity of the insanity.) The trigger for this insanity is any
situation in which leadership is required and that the megalomaniac has
at least some chance of being qualified to lead.

It should definitely be noted that the victim of megalomania's
self-perceived attribute increases are illusionary. All checks relating
to Wisdom, Intelligence, Strength, and Dexterity remain unmodified.

* Napoleonic Complex

Victims of this insanity feel the compulsion to prove their self-worth
through fighting. Typically, victims of Napoleonic complex will pick
fights with people of larger stature. The trigger for this illness is
whenever tall, muscular people taunt the victim.

* Paranoia

The primary indicator of this illness is a complete lack of ability for
the victim to trust anybody. Victims of paranoia will typically see
ulterior motives in all things, will always suspect treachery, and will
never take statements at face value. If a Panic check is failed, the
victim will absolutely not believe truthful statements made by
companions and bystanders.

* Self-Harm Complex

Victims of this insanity get the overwhelming urge to inflict harm on
themselves. Typically, this harming is not life threatening. The
victim will instead usually cause minor burns or superficial cutting
wounds. Self-inflictors who cut themselves are called "cutters". The
trigger for this insanity is being alone in a stressful situation, or
being humiliated. The maximum damage for self-harm complex is 10% of
total hit points. People with this illness actually want their
self-inflicted wounds to scar and will often try to keep their wounds
from healing. This condition often grants the victim a great emotional
release after self-injury, satisfying the need for 1d10 days.
Typically, victims of this illness feel most alive just after hurting
one's self.

* Simple Dissociation

In stressful situations, the victim of this insanity loses time. His
or her body may function, and his or her companions may not know that
the character is dissociating. However, when the stressful situation is
over, the character "wakes up" to find that he has actually
performed all required tasks (such as combat, spell casting, or some
other difficult job), but cannot remember any details of what happened.
On a successful Panic check, the person with this mental illness does
not dissociate during a stressful encounter. On a failed check, the
victim does dissociate. A person with this mental illness earns only
¼ normal experience for actions transpiring during an amnesiac
dissociative incident.

* Curing these insanities

All of these insanities can only be cured through the methods discussed
at the beginning of this section, and even then, it is a difficult task.

Tommy T

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Yappinwolf wrote:
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Debra Li Sapolis's home telephone number in El Paso, Texas.
915-496-5763
Give little Debbie a call and tell her how much you enjoyed her
trashing RSB over the years. You will get her hubbie blackjack during
the day, Debbie at night at this number.

Meet Mrs. David blackjack Sapolis, Debra Li, Yappin wolf, the black
bitch from hell.

Every time you attack FL, post another lie, libel, slander against him,
this is the only answer you get back.

http://amishrakefight.org/gfy/

She has been banned off of more pool chat sites than any other person.
She is the most hated and despised person in pool. She has over a
hundred AKa's; you can not keep up with all of them. Straybullet,
Yappin wolf, Debra Starr, silver bullet, It's a very long list.
She has yet to learn that people who live in glass houses should not
throw rocks.

If you want this crazy bitch to get off RSB and off FL's ass, then
you need to take it directly to her Hubbie, David Blackjack Sapolis.
Every time you see him make a post, ask him why he lets his wife make a
total ass out of him and her alike. Ask him, why he can not control
his woman? Ask him, what kind of wimp gimp allows this shit to
continue on? Ask him to shut her ass down and to never allow her back
on RSB ever again. Ask him to stuff her pig tail in her rice hole.

Question Number uno? What kind of man would marry such a sick ass
bitch who is a 4 foot 10" dwarf with no tits who is 40 and ageing
badly now. The pics she shows were a decade ago before her head got
rearranged by hubbie.
Answer a cripple who has destroyed his body with drugs and
amphetamines, who now lives off the government and VA for disability
hand outs and needs some ho or nurse to change his bed pan? He walks
around shaking his arm like Hitler did reviewing the troops at the end.
A total speed freak that is now paying the price. Ask him, he freely
admits all of this. He even put it up on his POS web site some 3rd
grade moron created.

Question, what kind of ho marries such a gimp broken down loser?
Answer, one who can't get any thing better? One who is totally
desperate? She is a 3 term loser now. Hubbies 1 & 2 divorced her.
Hubbie two in LA, tried to beat her to death. Put her in intensive
care for 6 weeks where she was not expected to live and she came out
with a steel plate in her head to cover the damage he did. Did he go
to prison, no, the DA said, get this one, the bitch had it coming.
They let him off on probation; he never spent a day in the jail house.
She hates men after that trauma.

So why do her husbands try to kill her? Why does she get all of these
death threats from her fans on the internet? Because they find out
it's her who is behind all of this bull shit.

She drinks a quart of tanqueray gin a night and rides her vibrator
watching S&M porn sites on the cpu. She gets mean and then attacks
people on the net. After her hubbie changed her head into a new angle,
from round on top to now flat on top, forcing her to wear a wig to
cover the plate Blackjack took her in to live with him and his mommie.
They had some distant family relationship. When she loses her teeth in
another 10 years then according to cheech and chong she will be the
perfect women, 4' tall, with a flat head to sit your drink on and no
teeth to puff yo peter
You know the story, GI says hey little girl, here's five bucks and I
fookie you and you sookie me wong time. The chink ho kicks out a rug
rat and it comes to the USA and we have to put up with the POS called
Debra Li. It's the same story with the punk boy Hu
GI 5 BUCK LOVE CHILD.

Black Jacks Mommie got up a 4am to pee and found Li sitting at the cpu,
empty bottle of gin and riding her vibrator on the porn site. Mommie
threw her out of the double wide and she went to Orlando and gets a job
with Disney and was then fired by them because of her internet trashing
of numerous people which got back to them. She is now back in El Paso,
Texas where she once worked and lived before. She has had 6 jobs in the
last 7 years and has been fired off of all of them. Dallas, La, El
Paso, Orlando, Plano. She keeps changing names and locations. There
are reasons for this.

She also went off on Kt and he actually hunted her ass down and was the
one who got her fired from Disney. She finally fooked with somebody
with unlimited resources who had enough of her shit. She is now on the
run and in hiding. She had serious death threats at Disney world where
security had to walk her to her car when she got off work.

She is totally crazy, a total psycho, an internet terrorist and stalker
and it's only a matter of time where people she works with get wise
to her. Nobody has ever told more lies than this crazy ass bitch. She
is an atheist and is a Bi homo who likes to run with butches and bull
dykes and hangs with only slant eyes. She hates round eyes, real men
and Christians. What the fook she is doing with Blackjack is the big
mystery of the decade>
We guess it's, birds of a feather will flock together. That is how
she attracted Eric Hu.

She got in the first internet pool gang of queers and faggots headed by
Dave S in the beginning of CCB> Old Floppy hat Dave who had no hair,
lived in Vancouver who died of Aids, his butt hole literally fell off &
he was the leader of the gang and the head faggot. Eric must have worn
it out. Dave came to NYC a lot for Eric: To show him a good time?
Eric T Hu was in the gang along with Carol and Barbara. It was mostly
then a NYC click. They wiped out the pool pro Fran Crimi first. Then
they went off on Fl 2nd. They actually wiped out and destroyed and
shut down playpool which was a major board at the time flooding it with
get fl threads and trash. Li and Hu have shut down RSB several times
flooding it with their get fl attacks and have virtually destroyed this
board as well.

They don't hold their attacks on just FL alone; Eric Hu was recently
banned off of AZB for making death threats on another pro and was
calling his home 50 times a day like he does to fl now. Debbie hid in
the back ground on that one and escaped. She has been banned off of
CCB and AZB several times for her attacks but Howie lets the two chinks
always return because they will suck his dick and become his pawns he
can use for his dirty work to run off who he does not like. He also
encouraged both them to wipe out Fl and RSB so every one here would
become disgusted and come over to him on AZB. It worked. Then Howie
bans them off AZB and tries to direct them down to his 2nd trash board
he owns and has for his banned bottom feeders called socal. It's a
tangled web of deceit and intrigue, back stabbing and slanders that is
so very sick and deep it's now totally beyond belief. You had to be
following all of this bull shit from the fookin get go in order to
understand or believe it now.

Little Debbie likes to use the shit for brains loser 9 IQ nincompoop
moron Eric T Hu to do most of her dirty work. He likes this kind of
work. Two chink total pieces of human dog shit. They are both, fookin
animals.

FL began to hunt them down, one at a time and expose them. Every one
else ran from them and Fl was the only one to stand his ground and
fight. The Gang then busted up and it now is just two chinks, Eric Hu
and Debra Li who continue their internet madness and mayhem. Debra Li
was the one who financed the attack in public on FL. She put Eric up
to it. She paid all of the expenses. Paid the fines and lawyers.
The crazy bitch spent hundreds of hours creating web sites where she
loaded them up with nothing but non stop lies she made up. None of the
shit in there is true, it's all lies.
The sick bitch hoped some dumb shits might buy her load of crap she is
trying to sell.
On her web site she called FL a pedophile but won't supply any proof
of this because it's a lie. She will tell you FL is scamming and
talking disability insurance from the government, but FL will pay you
10K if you can prove it, because that is also another lie. Its just
lie after fookin lie, after fookin lie. She will post FL was seen but
fookin sheep on the lawn of the governors mansion in Atlanta, but
won't offer any proof. The governor does not have any sheep on his
lawn. The play is some of you are stupid enough to believe any thing
the crazy bitch writes.

FL can and will prove any claim, statement or record he has ever done.
She does not want the proof, never asked for any. She is running a
simple slander and smear campaign against fl. She figures if she puts
out enough lies, some moron might believe some of them. She has
stolen his identity, stole his pic, name, handle and posting in his
name here on RSB and other sites hundreds of time trying to frame him.
They have even hacked into his web site and tried to destroy it as
well.

These two are both, very dangerous criminals. Li & Hu. The Chink
dynamic duo of hate.

Her profile is that of a very mentally ill stalker, A psycho, she is
not called the vampire of hate for nothing. She is badly damaged goods
which can not be fixed easily. She feeds off of hate and strife and so
she creates it daily and then relishes the result. She sets people up,
frames them, lies to them she said this when she did not to turn two
friends fighting each other. That is her game. Hate. She will not
stop. She is too sick to stop. So you must ignore her mad ravings.
Do not feed the Vampire of hate, Debra Li BlackJack Sapolis. Run from
this bitch from the Devil. Have nothing to do with her.

Blackjack is a partner in this or he would have stopped her long ago.
Have you ever seen a picture of this POS. If I showed you his pic and
you did not know him, you would swear I showed you a pic of the Devil,
beard and all. He comes off as this Holy Roller Christian do good
righteous person and he is nothing but what we call a Jesus hustler. A
hustler using the Lords name to con you. He is married to an atheist,
a non Christian, an Asian.. No proper Christian would even want to be
in the same room with this piece of Chink she-yit Debra Li, let alone
marry her evil Chink ass. So do not buy David Sapolis Jesus con and his
bull she-yit. See him for what he is, partners with Debra Li.

Ask your self the question, if you found your wife doing on the net
what Debra Li is, would you allow her to continue. The answer, fook no
you would.not. You would bust the bitch's keyboard up and bitch slap
some God Damn sense into her. The wimp gimp, ole 2 & out tries to lie
out of this by saying she isn't doing it or he knows nothing about
it. He lies like a dog. He is in on this and up to it to his dirty
neck. He was a dirty cop and got fired off the El Paso police force.
You can't believe nothing this bum says either.

No matter what Debra Li tell's you, it's a lie and the opposite of
what is true. She tells you her real name is Debra Li, or Xiu Xia Li.
The lady is simply incapable of telling the fookin truth. Long term
Cheap Gin alcoholism and blunt trauma to the head has turned this bitch
into a fookin monster from hell. She needs to be admitted to a state
mental heath hospital and given treatment and help.

When all along it's been Debra Li Sapolis. Fl exposed her to the
world and her getting by with these attacks for years suddenly ended.
She continues them but now people know who she is and they hunt her
down and now she pays for what she does. She has a lot of people
hunting her now.

She says she is now in El Paso, Trace her IP's on her recent posts and
see they come up in Texas now for sure. Her area code of 915 is El
Paso. After being fired from Disney World when they found out what she
was doing on the net she could not find a job so ole 2 & out wimp gimp
Blackjack moves back in with his mommie in her double wide in El Paso
and he and his little wife sponge off the old woman once again while
little Debbie tries to start her own bean counting company. No decent
company will ever hire her again so she now has to be self employed.

Debra is attacking and trying to destroy a pool pro by posting non stop
lies, slanders and libels she knows are totally untrue. Why Does David
Sapolis allow her to trash a fellow pro. Can it be FL was being asked
to join sites he had been on and they were published his articles that
competes with him so he used his wife to trash and degrade a competitor
and to run him off. He went out of his way to try and get FL fired
from several sites.

These two play a little game on the net called good cop, him, bad cop,
little Debbie. If the wimp gimp had any honor left, he would shut her
down and stop her madness now for the good of pool and his own name
which she is now trashing. He trashed his name and reputation the
minute he married the bitch from hell.

He pretends not to know what she is doing and he has lied about this
for years. He directs her. The time has come for every one to tie
these two together on one working together and make them both, joint
accountable. They are an internet team and have been for years. The
time has come to now expose Black Jack. Stop letting this fooker have
a free ride here.

Talk about pot calls the kettle black, he posts he is a pro, who did he
ever beat, nobody. What did he ever win, nothing? His real job over
the years has been living off people so they would support his lazy ass
bum life style. He has been a soldier, a cop, cab driver, 5 buck an
hour security guard, all dead end jobs is now all he can get. He has
been living with and off his mommie in El Paso in her double wide
because he could not support his own worthless ass for years until
little Debbie took him in. All he does, is use people. He is like
Fast Eddy in the movie, a true predator and hustler. Two total mental
cripples find each other. Meet Misses Black Jack, Debra Li.

Over the years he showed up at a few pro events and was known as ole 2
& out. An instant bye to the next round. A complete fooling joke as a
pro and as a player.

He has not played in a pro event in a decade. 2 years ago he showed up
at the UPA Jacksonville tourney, went 2 & out, his high run of the
event was 3 friggen balls. He has not been back.

He even had the guts to post he ran 200 balls, but when we asked him to
prove it, they ran and hid because he made it all up, its all one big
ass lie. We got, it was in the paper. We said, show us the article,
and give us people who witness this. He has nuttin. They demand FL
prove what he did but they refuse to prove what lies Blackjack prints
he did. They have one set of rules for them, another set for FL.

So here you have the real true fraud and phony, Mr. and Mrs. David
BlackJack Sapolis, who are trying to convince you, FL is the fraud,
when it's actually these two. A half breed chink bean counter who
can't run 2 fuckin balls, married to a broken down loser drug addict
who now can't run 3 himself to save his soul.

Now you have the rest of the story.

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BREAK THE SPIN BREAK

3-20-00, rev 1-29-05, 3pages CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights
reserved. Published in DC, bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, btt.

I teach in both 8 & 9 ball to break off the rail and l/2 diamond left
or right of the middle diamond on the short rail. I teach no English,
6:00 and just far enough below center to bring the cue ball straight up
table 3 diamonds. This produces a run out table.

When you get house cloth which is thicker than simonis and it's been
on a while you will see 15 nice deep craters where the balls rack.
This creates problems and an opportunity. The craters mean many of the
balls will not freeze to each other. If you have the balls frozen on
top and on the bottom of the 9 ball it goes no where fast. Have some
gaps there and it moves out of the rack. If I see that I may go to the
spin break. You have to play around until you find out how thick and
where you hit the one ball at and what tip position.

Begin using one tip right and a tad below center. When you do it
correctly the 9 ball moves towards the bottom left corner pocket every
time. I play a very aggressive form of 9 ball where I attack it a lot
early in the game so even if it gets close to the pocket it sets up a
combination or carom opportunity as well. By making the 9 on the break
and having short racks where I made the 9 off of the 2 or 3 ball on
several occasions I have won 10 games in a row in 5 minutes flat. That
was how I got the name Fast Larry. I would beat you in a set of 10
games so fast your head would swim.

I have made the 9 in the bottom left pocket A 4 times in a row several
times and had it done to me as well by several others. I have heard
its been done 6 times in a row which I believe because when I made it 4
in a row the last time on 5 & 6 snaps I hung the 9 in the corner and
almost did it my self. I had a very slow cloth or I would have done 6.
The only downside of this is you lose the cue ball and do not control
it and that's the trade off. The spin break does not always work
well and its success depends a lot on the type and condition of the
cloth and the balls you are using. It you want to make the 9 ball and
you are racking for your self cheat by having gaps in the two balls
below the 9 so neither are touching it and that allows it to escape.
If you are racking for your opponent have the balls on top of and below
the 9 froze and even tap them to insure it. He breaks and the 9 ball
just sits there like it's glued to the cloth.

A Meucci cue is very good on the spin break. It breaks great because
it puts a lot
Of spin on the ball. I have made 7 on the break using one at 8 ball.
Warning, this cue is not designed to hold up under this type of abuse
so do not be surprised when
It falls apart on you. A triangle or Talisman M would be the best tip
to use. If you
Only plan to blast them very hard using little or no English then the
new Tailsman
XX break tip would be your choice.

I do not use the spin break on the UPA world 9 ball tour because we
always play on
A brand new cloth which has no craters. You also lose the cue ball and
rarely know
Where it is going so its not a run out break. I used it for gambling
where I wanted to appear as lucky as possible to keep the inferior mark
in the game. If your opponent is not a run out top player then this
break is smart to use. Begin running racks on a chump and they take
off. Slop in some 9 balls and they stay as they view you as just being
lucky. You have the chance to make the 9 and win. If you lose the cue
ball and he gets to shoot your mark rarely runs out and usually dogs
the run leaving you a easy 3 or 4 ball out. You actually want inferior
opponents beginning each run to get the congestion out of your way.

When I was the house pro at Mr. Cues II which is the top action room in
Georgia we have the top sticks in Atlanta and from around the country
coming in there. I had a contest where the house put in $100 to begin
the pot and every snap you wanted to take cost you $3 and if you made
the 9 ball you got the pot. I survived 189 breaks and the best that
should have been was 32. I guess that proves I know how to rack and
keep you from making the 9 ball. The guy who did it was some big
gorilla who blasted the rack with all his beef, the 9 sits there and it
got back kicked up table to pot in the far corner which never happens.
He got lucky on me.

The key to this was tapping and freezing the two balls behind the 9
tight on it. If you want the 9 to spin out and try to pot on the snap
then create a little gap on either or both sides of it under the 9
ball.

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In every break plan you have a spot you always begin with the cue ball
from experience works the best and then if you do not produce results
you begin to move it right or left until you find a spot that does
yield success. On some tables the spin break works from here.

The 9 ball can also be made in this same pocket using opposite English,
low left, so play with it and see what works.

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Then there is this postion back to low right again. No two tables are
the same and no two break the same so do not be stuck with just one
break. Have many options and keep experimenting until one produces.
Most pro's agree, a break with 100 or 150% power does not work. A
hard but pure medium power break with some spin is best.

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us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.

VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus Maximus. " Latin for


"I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did
do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don't believe it,
C'est La Vie. " Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run

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BREAK AND JUMP CUE WHAT IS THE BEST?

4-26-00 2 pages, rev 2-1-05, 12-28-06, CR, Fast Larry Guninger all
rights reserved. Published in dc, bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, rsb, btt.

I don't think it is necessary to spend $500 for a break cue. People
asked me to design and come up with one that works and keep it
affordable. It is now in the Fast Larry cue line and can be found at:
www.billiards-superstore.com
It is a 3 piece jump break cue for $99. To add the xx Talisman break
tip to it the price is now only $120. This is a layered pig skin tip
that is almost as hard as the plastic tips but it will hold chalk and
you can break using English. A fine jump cue, and a fine break cue at
a bargain basement price.
Back in 93 Falcon came out with a break jump cue, 3 pieces and that
started that craze. It was a cool cue. Broke really well, mine was
2l.5 oz, a quick release joint, one turn and the butt came off and you
had a decent jump cue. I hit the world's first 11 rail bank with it
and Varner and Lee used it to be players of the year so that cue ruled
in its day.

The trend today seems to be going to having a play cue, a break cue and
a separate jump cue. Carrying around 3 cues is no problem, get a 3 cue
6 shaft case with a long pouch which can hold butts and save room in
the case. Tiger Woods does not show up to play Golf with just a
driver, he has 14 cues, I use 4 now.

PLAY CUE: I use two. Main cue, Helmstetter Blabushka, 18.5 oz, 11.5
mm, pro taper, H Talisman tip. $850.
2nd cue, Schuler 19 oz, use 17 shafts make special just for me. $1000

JUMP CUE: The jump cue I use is the stealth; it works perfect and is
in 3 pieces. I was the original designer of this cue. They are a
little over a C note, $125 if any body wants one, same price for a
masse cue which I designed as well. I have them both in stock at
www.billiards-superstore.com That is the jump cue I use on the world
IAPA artistic tour in competition and in my shows.
Any cue that is 7 ozs or less will work fine. You want a very hard tip
like a Triangle filed down thin almost to the ferrule. Some are now
using phenolic very hard tips. Others use very hard water buffalo. I
prefer the new XX Talisman jump break tip. I also had Ray Schuler make
me a very short butt that is 11 l/2" long and it weighted to be 7oz
with the Schuler shaft added. You could have any local cue builder to
make you a simple butt like that which would connect to your shaft,
install a XX tip and you are in business. The butt fits nicely in my
long pouch with my Masse butt. I am now able to carry 4 cues.

BREAK CUES: They are out there and becoming most expensive. Predator
has a line that is very popular as is the sledgehammer. I use a
thousand dollar Schuler custome cue with a non maple Bangkok birch
shaft with a XX Talisman tip, l9oz.
If that does not work I pull out a 22 oz 2 piece dufferin with the same
tip. For me a heavy cue breaks best but the current trend there is
towards lighter cues.

Masse cue: I use a schuler and several I built my self to my own specs
and needs. They run 19, 22, 24 ozs. If you are not an artistic player
you do not need to carry a Masse cue, just grab a house cue for the
shot.

Move around to new rooms and attend some bigger tourneys. Ask around
and there you will be able to see the latest jump and break cues. Ask
some players to let you take a few shots. See what you like and what
works for you and then make your own informed decision on what to buy.

Poor mans corner. Play cue, call me, I have a nice cue for $125 that
has a real Irish linen wrap, stainless steel joint, pretty cue, will
damn near play with a meucci in feel and performance, not quite, but
close. Jump cue, go to a table dealer and buy a 36" ramon wood short
cue, put a triangle tip on it and it will jump fine. These cues are
really cheap. They are good for at home. They are too long to fit in
your case. Break cue, real dufferin house cues are stronger than whale
she-yit. You need to know what one looks like because some rooms have
an assortment of them. Avoid the cheap Chinese crap cues which are
not strong. The dufferins have this glass window on the butt which has
a Canadian flag inside. The imitations have a window, but no maple
leaf. Grab one of those big bad boys off the wall that says 21, scuff
up the tip and let that big dawg hunt. Hold it way up front and you
can jump over half balls and even Masse well with these. You could
even have your local cue man cut it in two and install a joint so you
can carry it around.

Come chat with me live at www.billiards-pool.net
THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL "Fast Larry" Guninger
web site www.fastlarrypool.com
POOL LESSONS FROM A GRAND MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR, BILLIARDS EXPERT AND
FORMER ARTISTIC WORLD CHAMPION. 770-381-6609, fax 770-381-1916
POOL QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND FREE INSTRUCTION IS ON
www.billiards-pool.net In the ask the pros forum.
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entertainment.

Email fastla...@bellsouth.net fast larry at bell south dot net

May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus Maximus. " Latin for
"I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did
do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don't believe it,
C'est La Vie. " Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run
out on the other guy then there is no way for you to lose. "Winners

make things happen. Losers let things happen."

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