Borneo Bat eater &other hybrids....
Venomoid
hybrids? They have been joking referred to as the Borneo Bat Eater,
though I don't think anyone has demonstrated that they exist in the wild.
I would like to hear from anyone who is working with or knows someone
working with these hybrids.
I know that I saw some 3/4 burm x 1/4 retic at Bob Clark's table at the
expo in Orlando this year. Does anyone know if he is selling these, and
if so how much is he asking?
I would love to find out what these snakes end up like as adults.
Can anyone fill me in at all on these snakes...or on any other python
molurus/reticulatus hybrids. Or any hybrids between these snakes and
python sebae or curtis? I know of one breeder who said that his molurus
attempted to mate with his python curtis but he prevented it from
happening. Does anyone know of a successful mating between these....
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VENOMOID
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Venomoid
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Mark O'Shea
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>
> Does anyone know of people who are working with reticulated x burmese
> hybrids? They have been joking referred to as the Borneo Bat Eater,
> though I don't think anyone has demonstrated that they exist in the wild.
>
the species was reported by Haile and others - probably from escaped or
liberated snakecharmers specimens.
The species stops in southern Thailand but reappears on Java - a situation
morrored by Malayan pitviper and Russell's viper, species of dry tropical
forest which do not occur in wet rainforest.
Possibly retic x Burmese crosses could occur naturally on the S.E.Asian
mainland where they both occur but not in Borneo.
Personally I disaprove strongly of this sort of captive breeding - stick
with the genuine species, don't play God with new ones and mess up the genetics.
What happens to the hatchlings which don't look special - out into the market place
for other herpers to purchase thinking they have either a Burmese or a
retic when in fact they have a genetically mixed up specimen.
Who says they eat bats anyway ?
Mark O'Shea
Adam Britton
The two best-known species of bat-eating snakes come from Cuba (Epicrates
angulifer) and Puerto Rico (Epicrates inornatus). Neither are specialist
bat eaters, but certain populations have learnt to exploit this
particular food resource. E. inornatus hang from vines over the enterance
to bat caves at dusk. As the bats swarm out (and with some caves
containing 300,000 bats, they swarm!), the snakes just wait. Bats are
amazing navigators, but with that many coming out of a relatively small
opening, some hit the snake's heads (usually with a wing), and the boas
try and catch them in their mouths. They often fail, but they succeed
frequently enough for it to be worthwhile (e.g. 5-6 bats a night on a
good night). Not all snakes are that lucky, and often try and steal the
bats others are trying to eat. They also enter the caves and take carrion
from the floor, and may even try and scale the walls to take the roosting
bats.
E. angulifer tends to hang (sorry) around tight openings, to increase its
chances of getting a bat flying through the middle. It usually reaches
out or hangs from the surrounding rock. There are probably quite a few
species which exploit novel food sources in this way.
There's an article (and pics) about this in E. inornatus in next month's
International Reptilian (formerly The Reptilian). End of advert.
Adam Britton
Biol. Sci. (Batlab)
Univ. Bristol, UK
Venomoid
Constictor hybrids.
Does anyone know if there is any truth to this rumor. Sounds like a wierd
hybrid. I would love to hear about it.
John B. Harsono
Indonesia. These retics lives in bats cave.
Rebecca Sobol
(scrub maybe?) catching a bat as it flew out of the cave. This was filmed
in Northern Australia. It was pretty amazing watching this snake hang out
on the rocks and snag bats out of the air as they flew by.
Rebecca Sobol
so...@ofps.ucar.edu
http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/ris/ris_herp.html
Venomoid
what I understand. He sent a picture of a retic x molurus that was
hatched from an accidental breeding in the states with his price list
saying guess what snake this is...
There is no actual connection with bats...
They were an animal produced in captivity.
Snakemaker
writes:
>I have heard that there is someone in Florida selling Anaconda x Boa
>Constictor hybrids.
>
>Does anyone know if there is any truth to this rumor. Sounds like a
wierd
>hybrid. I would love to hear about it.
>
>
There are many hybrids being produced and sold. I personally am against
hybridyzing herps of different species. If we had a way of knowing
whether herps are hybrids or not I wouldn't have as much of a problem with
it. But, it is a problem for those of us trying to work with pure species
and subspecies. Unknowingly bringing a hybrid into this type of
collection would *#@* me off, and with some animals could mean no more
pure animals ever.
Christopher Murphy
> In article <4aintv$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, veno...@aol.com (Venomoid)
> writes:
>
> >I have heard that there is someone in Florida selling Anaconda x Boa
> >Constictor hybrids.
> >
> >Does anyone know if there is any truth to this rumor. Sounds like a
> wierd hybrid. I would love to hear about it.
> >
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't such a hybrid be durn near
impossible? I know that a few inter-species hybrids (as opposed
to inter-subspecies hybrids) are possible.......such as when
breeding a horse and a donkey. However, I've never heard of
any of these types of hybrids regarding snakes.
Regards,
CJPM
* Christopher J. P. Murphy * UMAB School of Medicine 1999 (I hope!) *
..................cmurphy@umabnet.ab.umd.edu.....................
Snakemaker
Boid hybrids seem to be less common than colubrid hybrids but they are
definately being produced intentionally. One example is the "jungle corn"
which is the red ratsnake or cornsnake (Elaphe guttata guttata) X
California kingsnake (Lampropeltis
getulus californiae). The amazing thing to me is that the offspring are
supposedly fertile.
In article <Pine.A32.3.91.951215...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu>,
Randy & Myrna Remington
snakes then and don't remember the species (of snake). I thought it
showed considerable learning ability on the snake's part to regularly
come to the cave opening at sunset and hang over with it's mouth open
untill a wing brushed through.
Steve Jensen
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Steve Jensen
geo...@jax-inter.net
>Does anyone know of people who are working with reticulated x burmese
>hybrids? They have been joking referred to as the Borneo Bat Eater,
>though I don't think anyone has demonstrated that they exist in the wild.
I saw one at Tom Crutchfield's Reptile Enterprises about six months
ago. It was approximately 10ft long, with the usual girth you'd
expect out of a Burmese. The pattern was simply ugly. Not a very
impressive looking animal, especially considering they wanted $3000
for it. I believe they claimed on their mail-out price list that it
was captive born, but I'm not too sure. Sorry I can't remember more
about it.
George
geo...@jax-inter.net
Paul J Hollander
>> writes:
>>
>> >I have heard that there is someone in Florida selling Anaconda x Boa
>> >Constictor hybrids.
>> >
>> >Does anyone know if there is any truth to this rumor. Sounds like a
>> wierd hybrid. I would love to hear about it.
>> >
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't such a hybrid be durn near
>impossible? I know that a few inter-species hybrids (as opposed
>to inter-subspecies hybrids) are possible.......such as when
>breeding a horse and a donkey. However, I've never heard of
>any of these types of hybrids regarding snakes.
There are corn x California king (_Elaphe_ x _Lampropeltis_) amd corn x
gopher snake (_Elaphe_ x _Pituophis_) intergeneric hybrids, and the
things are reputed to be fertile. So, while I haven't heard of those
anaconda x boa constrictor hybrids, I won't immediately say they are
impossible.
IMHO, production of any large number of any of these hybrids is not
desirable.
Paul Hollander phol...@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
Nathan Tenny
Christopher Murphy <cmu...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu> wrote:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't such a hybrid be durn near
>impossible? I know that a few inter-species hybrids (as opposed
>to inter-subspecies hybrids) are possible.......such as when
>breeding a horse and a donkey. However, I've never heard of
>any of these types of hybrids regarding snakes.
There are a number. The only one I can think of offhand that occurs in the
wild is _Bitis nasicornis_ x _B. gabonica_ (rhinoceros & Gaboon vipers), but
I'm pretty sure there are others; in addition, there have been several
manmade fertile hybrids involving king and rat snakes (corn x Cal king,
corn x gopher, and a "Frankenstein king" produced from about six tricolor
species at Glades Herp a few years back, for instance), and African rock
pythons will breed with Burmese in captivity (I don't know if the offspring
are fertile). And then there's the "Borneo bat eater" of the title, which
apparently is a cross between Burmese and reticulated pythons.
NT
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DaveBeaty
Hollander) writes:
>There are corn x California king (_Elaphe_ x _Lampropeltis_) amd corn x
>gopher snake (_Elaphe_ x _Pituophis_) intergeneric hybrids, and the
>things are reputed to be fertile
Sounds like it's time to re-classify the corn snake. Supposedly, the test
of whether something is a different Genus is if Hybrids are fertile or
sterile, e.g. Wolf and Dog are both Canis and have fertile Hybrids, Lions
and Tigers have different genii and produce sterile Tigrons. I knew Corn
& Rat snakes could breed, but I would have never guessed Corn and King
snakes. One question: How does the line result... more like corn snakes
or more like king snakes?
Off the topic, one anthropology book suggested an impossible
experiment to breed Homo Erectus (extinct) With Homo Sapiens to see if
the kids were fertile. Wierd thoughts....
Bryan Fry
Sorry my text editor ahs not had its espresso so I am unable to easily delete th
or edit (as you can tell !! :( so I am replying to the part at the very end of
where he wrote about the retic/burm hybrids which is not surprising
(and actually is to be expected) since they are of the same genus.
W/regards,
Bryan
Grady (mark...@wilmington.net) wrote:
: In article <4cnclt$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dave...@aol.com
: (DaveBeaty) wrote:
: > In article <4at3ds$6...@news.iastate.edu>, phol...@iastate.edu (Paul J
: Apparently the boid hybrids are fertile as well. Bob Clark had some 1/4
: retic x 3/4 burms at orlando. I suppose he bred one of the "bat-eaters" to
: a burm.
: --
: Grady
: mark...@wilmington.net
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