Aimee Lortskell
Alexander Trobai
group? I have heard that she even has her own fan newsgroup (though I
have not seen it). What is her importance? Is there something that I am
missing?
--
Behind a mask of certainty lies a fragile China plate.
Chipped, not broken.
Wild, not free.
Passion's Grace unfetters me.- Steven Foster
Daniel Bradshaw
>Alexander Trobai (ATr...@asmodeus.com) wrote:
>: I Know I am new, but why does this one person have so much power in this
>: group? I have heard that she even has her own fan newsgroup (though I
>: have not seen it). What is her importance? Is there something that I am
>: missing?
>I don't think it's 'power' exactly... no-one here has power over anyone
>else, we're all free to post exactly what we like. (as long as Aimee
>doesn't see it and get annoyed that is ;)
Of course, there are SOME sick people in this group who try to annoy Aimee,
hoping that they'll get one of the special Divine Slaps of Retribution. or
maybe even get bound and gagged and become her personal plaything.
--
Dan Bradshaw, The Alpha Man drea...@camelot.bradley.edu
Common sense is that which tells you the world is flat.
Daniel Bradshaw
>The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
>intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
>like a good person to follow. It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
>time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
>ego in this manner.
Psssttt....I think you've GROSSLY misinterpreted the situation here. Our
sucking up to Aimee is, in the vast majority, joking and jesting. It's
because we are all pretty good friends here, and we know that we are
capable of joking with each other and playing roles without falling into
them too deeply. Apparently, you don't have a proper understanding of the
gorup.
>By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
>lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
My bile doth rise....and I swallow it THUSLY!
>Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
Nope, it can't be that. We already changed it to alt.tori.personals,
remember?
>Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
I rather doubt that. I think she'd have a good laugh.
And, even if it were true, the chances of her actually reading this group
are rather small, so the danger to her is similarly small. I would hate to
give Tori a tummyache.
>Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
>how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
Then feel free to leave, if it would help your musical appreciation.
Yeek...first Ian, then that "Waitress" person, now this...bad karma for
rmt-a, no doubt.
--
Dan Bradshaw, The Alpha Man drea...@camelot.bradley.edu
"Be nice to other people. They outnumber you 5.5 billion to one."
Dru'el The Chaotic
Quoted in the Principia Discordia
C. Hoon
[why is aimee important]
> The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
> intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
> like a good person to follow.
um, it's not just newbies. judas and pierre have been here for a while.
> It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
> time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
> ego in this manner.
well, it's *sorta* happened on here before. with mtb. it's just a
different person this time. and more consuming of the group, i think.
> By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
> lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
if they wanna act that way, then i don't really think it's fair to put em
down, darrien. i mean, it's up to the individual as to who they follow
and look up to. and we all look up to someone.
> Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
awww, yer just jealous. :P
> Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
well, it'll eventually go away, just like everything else, darrien.
> Darrien
> Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
> how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
um, i don't think that's the newsgroup's fault (if that's what you were
saying). i think it's yours for continuing to read the ng if it's not
making you happy.
and if you don't like it that way, then don't join in. i'm not. but i
don't see any reason to make personal assaults on people who chose *to*
join in. start new threads, make new jokes, point out new stuff, respond
to *other* stuff. it's what i try to do.
--Carrie
brian keron
> The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
> intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
> ego in this manner.
>
> lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
okay, here we go:
originality: (passable) 3/5
spelling: (1 typo) 0/5 try for more next time.
vocabulary: (no expletives) 0/10 sorry, thanks for playing.
-2 special demerit for using
'prepubescent' correctly.
inflammatory-ness: (puh-leeze) 1/10
style: 0/5 no 'D000DZ!11!1!!' 'Gimme WaReZ'
overall presentation: 2/10 the cranky inet veteran is a little
thin at this point.
TOTALS: 4/45
Darren Carlson
: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, J.D.Jones wrote:
: [why is aimee important]
: > The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
: > intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
: > like a good person to follow.
: um, it's not just newbies. judas and pierre have been here for a while.
Yeah. It's a bunch of pathetic newbies and regulars! Um...wait a minute...
(Help me out here Carrie....were *you* insulting us? Indirectly-like?)
: > It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
: > time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
: > ego in this manner.
: well, it's *sorta* happened on here before. with mtb. it's just a
: different person this time. and more consuming of the group, i think.
I agree that that the group threads are starting to get a little out of
hand. It'd be okay if they moved over to afal (actually, no it wouldn't --
I'm still losing alot of posts there), cuz there is no real SUBJECT in
Aimee's ng...besides, posts for all the various threads for the different
factions are starting to come so fast and furious that I can't keep up.
: > By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
: > lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
: if they wanna act that way, then i don't really think it's fair to put em
: down, darrien. i mean, it's up to the individual as to who they follow
: and look up to. and we all look up to someone.
If you choose to view us as 'sheep' Darrien, go right the fuck ahead.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I get along well with Aimee, and
I respect her, *because* we have the same views on alot of subjects.
But we *have* disagreed on topics, and usually neither of us converts the
other, we just agree to disagree. But whatever. Other people's
opinions of me have never mattered much to me, so believe what you want.
: > Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
: awww, yer just jealous. :P
And more than a little bitter, which rouses my curiosity...
: > Darrien
: > Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
: > how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
: um, i don't think that's the newsgroup's fault (if that's what you were
: saying). i think it's yours for continuing to read the ng if it's not
: making you happy.
Exactly. Personally Darrien, I think alot of your posts you make are pretty
cool, but if you don't like it here...I mean, what are you expecting? A
personal apology from us for not entertaining you? I'm sorry, but if
someone who's name I'd never seen before had made this post, I would have
assumed it was a troll.
-- Judas
(PS - Thanks Carrie)
jenny finkel
>
> > On 31 Oct 1995, Alexander Trobai wrote:
> >
> > > I Know I am new, but why does this one person have so much power in this
> > > group? I have heard that she even has her own fan newsgroup (though I
> > > have not seen it). What is her importance? Is there something that I am
> > > missing?
>
> intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
> ego in this manner.
>
> lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
>
>
>
>
> Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
> how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
what did we do wrong? i dont kiss aimees ass. i dont kiss anyones ass.
i still remember that my intro to rmta was a nice argument with her.
but really, why do we make you hate tori, and if you hate us so much
why are you still here? gee, im confused. why do we keep losing
everyone?
JENNY
J.D.Jones
>
> > I Know I am new, but why does this one person have so much power in this
> > group? I have heard that she even has her own fan newsgroup (though I
> > have not seen it). What is her importance? Is there something that I am
> > missing?
The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
like a good person to follow. It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
ego in this manner.
By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
Darrien
Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
Fuck my sig
Wildfire
: The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
: intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
: like a good person to follow.
Why are you so bitter towards Aimee, Darrien?
Because labeling people like this is hateful. You're doing it to hurt
and strike out.
: It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
: time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
: ego in this manner.
Aimee cares. She *very* mature, deeply sexual, fun, and I love her, like
just about everyone who knows her.
: By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
: lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
Or maybe look into yourself and work out your own problems, Darrien, and
stop trying to hurt other people in your pain.
: Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
: Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
Who are you to say what Tori would do?
: Darrien
: Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
: how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
Or realized how much the ng makes you see how much you hate yourself.
Sorry to be so blunt.
Wildfire :-)
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Rantz A. Hoseley
>
> Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
>
> Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
>
No, Darrien, sorry, yer wrong.
--
_____________________________________________________________________
-Rantz A. Hoseley (also at Bauwo...@aol.com and some compuserve address he can't remember right now...)
http://www.primenet.com/~rantz/
"bible belt 'round anglo waste
putting sinners in their place
yeah, right, if you're so good
explain the shit stains on your face
White trash get down on yer knees
time for cake and sodomy"
-Marilyn Manson
Glenn Duley Smith
On 31 Oct 1995, Alexander Trobai wrote:
> I Know I am new, but why does this one person have so much power in this
> group? I have heard that she even has her own fan newsgroup (though I
> have not seen it). What is her importance? Is there something that I am
> missing?
Whelp, I don't know, either.
But maybe,
just *maybe*
..she's CUTE !
:)
-Glenn Duley Smith
Paragonia Time Enhancement
http://www.midsoft.com/~smith/
JOUR/F94
Oh, I can't help but to jump right into this one....
J.D.Jones "Darrien"(lw9...@exeter.ac.uk) wrote:
: The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
: intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
: like a good person to follow.
Hmmm... I feel kinda sorta targeted by this one...
You know what Darrien? You assume to much. ANd you are way too arrogant
to the point that you think you've got us all pegged. First of all, I'm
not a newbie, as Carrie so kindly pointed out (loveyababe!), and second
of all, I am the most opinionate son of a bitch you'll ever meet. Funny
thing is that Aimee and I agree on a lot of things, and have ahd similar
experiences in life. She's also an unpretentious, open and fun person,
which is more then I can say for you in light of your bitter and rather
acidic comments. THAT is why I hold Aimee in such high esteem, and
respect her. My agreeing with her is NOT a shaping of my opinions, it is
only a statement of these. Oh yea, and thirdly, fist me.
: It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
: time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
: ego in this manner.
What a bitter man you are. That is nothing more then a cheap attack on
her person, completly unfair and rather undehanded as you try and shape
someone's opinion of Aimee with YOUR own views. Hmmm... kind of
hypocritical if you ask me.
: By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
: lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
Yea.. okay, we're all tiny-bops. Fuck, WAKE UP! We act a little crazy,
yes. I know why I do it. THIS is a good place to vent, to play around,
to communicate, to make jokes, to be inane and most of all, to be
yourself. If you can read the posts in those contexts, then maybe you
might understand what is happening.
: Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
Nah. There's other parts of Aimee I'd personally rather kiss... No
offense Aimee, I'm just not an ass man.
: Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
I think you're a pretentious mother fucker, you know that? How can you
assume to speak for ANYONE?
: Darrien
: Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
: how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
I think, and this is only what I'm getting from what YOU just wrote in
what I assume is full seriousness (or a really tasteless and rather cruel
joke), that your personal biases against Aimee make it hard for you to
understand why anybody else would like her, OR, you take seriously what
we do in the name of fun. DO you really think we loft her up to God
status? I for one consider her my equal, nothing more, nothing less.
Considering that you've actually met her, I can only assume that your
expectations where too high, or that you have clashing personalities. In
any case, that was a cheapshot at best. YOur entire post was completly
uncalled for, and if I thought any better of you, I'd say an apology is
in order. Maybe YOU see something we don't, some sort of power she might
hold over everyone. Well, Derrien, do NOT assume that what you see in
the mirror reflects everyone's image of themselves. DO NOT assume to
know me, or anyone else in this group.
YOur attitude reeks of fundementalist potential. YOu're scarry, you know
that? What the fuck is your problem anyways?
: Fuck my sig
No, fuck YOU.
=-Cayden, Aimee's Knight Avenger, speaking very much for himself, and not
about to relent one iota in his inane postings. I like having fun, thank
you very much.
--
****************************************************Pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca***
Pierre Becquey If IgNOrAncE iS bLiSS
Ryerson Polytechnic University THen kNoCK tHE SMiLe OfF mY FAcE!
Toronto, Canada eh!!! -Rage Against The Machine
JOUR/F94
[Darrien's snide little rant mercifully snipped]
: okay, here we go:
: originality: (passable) 3/5
: spelling: (1 typo) 0/5 try for more next time.
: vocabulary: (no expletives) 0/10 sorry, thanks for playing.
: -2 special demerit for using
: 'prepubescent' correctly.
: inflammatory-ness: (puh-leeze) 1/10
: style: 0/5 no 'D000DZ!11!1!!' 'Gimme WaReZ'
: overall presentation: 2/10 the cranky inet veteran is a little
: thin at this point.
: TOTALS: 4/45
[Scattered applause from the crowd]
... we really DID expect more from Darrien... I guess that's our problem.
Let's all be bitches'n'bastards and give him a bunch'o'higs.
Oh, and ',b, very excellent scoring system... [onemanstandingO'!]
=-Cayden...fist me
Andrew Onifer
: I Know I am new, but why does this one person have so much power in this
: group? I have heard that she even has her own fan newsgroup (though I
: have not seen it). What is her importance? Is there something that I am
: missing?
She has the remote.
Jay
--
| | "He saw the hands that build /~~\
| | Could also pull down... |
| | The hands of love. " -U2 __/ aj...@fyi.net
\_/ Andrew J. Onifer III /____
Karen Whyte
: Well, J.D.Jones, you thought...
: : The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
: : intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
: : like a good person to follow.
WHOA! I missed this post from Darrien all together.
:: It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
:: time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
:: ego in this manner.
<sigh> I wonder why you waste your breath complaining about her then.
But then again, you are one for drama.
: : By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
: : lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
<sigh again>
: : Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
: : Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
Wow...amazing how many people have kissed *your* ass, Darrien. I've done
that through e-mail and on the ng, trying to get you to respond to me.
But fuck it. I give up. You are obviously too wrapped up in your precious
world to even consider those who care about you.
: : Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and
: : realised
: : how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
: Or realized how much the ng makes you see how much you hate yourself.
: Sorry to be so blunt.
: Wildfire :-)
I don't think he hates himself. I just hope it's a phase.
-Karen, feeling bad that she said what she did to Darrien, but hoping he
gets the fucking point
Aimee Lortskell
from here.
J.D.Jones (lw9...@exeter.ac.uk) wrote:
: > On 31 Oct 1995, Alexander Trobai wrote:
: > > I Know I am new, but why does this one person have so much power in this
: > > group? I have heard that she even has her own fan newsgroup (though I
: > > have not seen it). What is her importance? Is there something that I am
: > > missing?
i'm just this person who posts here. i'm very honest and open and really
fucking loud. i don't know if that makes me any more powerful than any
other posters here. it does, however, earn me lots of friends.....and
enemies, as you can see by this particular post.
: The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
: intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
: like a good person to follow. It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
: time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already
: over-inflated ego in this manner.
i hate to break it to you, darrien, but no-one simply agrees with me just
to leech on. everyone i know here has disagreed with me at some time or
other. and it doesn't matter, because we're friends. i know it bothers
oyu when people actually compliment me or agree with me. i know you
don't like it when i'm confident and feel good about myself. but you're
just going to have to accept it. if my ego is over-inflated simply
because i don't hate myself, too fucking bad.
: By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of
: prepubescent lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
i don't consort with sheep. i like being around people who think for
themselves, and this is where i find them. if you want to think that
anyone who agrees with me ever must be a sheep, then that makes you a
sheep too.
: Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
sure, we'll have another 'split the ng' discussion. we'll go with your
suggestion, but only as long as you promise to stay in the
alt.fuckwits.bitter.bitter.bitter ng.
: Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
i'll refer you to rantz' comment on this matter.
: Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
: how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
i sometimes wonder just how much you would like tori if you did meet
her. from what rantz has said about her, she's not nearly as uptight as
you'd like her to be. but if you're having a problem with this ng, don't
read it. just get the fuck over yourself.
as a note to other r.m.t-a'ers - darrien does have a little problem with
me. he doesn't like that i post personal things about my life, and he
doesn't like it if anyone else likes me. i have the feeling that with
this post he was egging me on to tell some personal things about him
here, but i'm not going to do that. i'm also not going to let him drag
me down to his level of self-loathing.
Aimee the Whore
Greyfalcon
writes stuff that I snipped cause I don't have the original.
> lw9...@exeter.ac.uk (J.D.Jones) wrote:
> > The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity
or
> > intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever
seems
> > like a good person to follow. It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately,
this
> > time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already
over-inflated
> > ego in this manner.
Darrien, I was here before Aimee was. In fact, my friend, I was here
before *you* were. (I was actually here before most people here were.) I
have my own opinions. In fact I've argued with Aimee as much as I've
agreed with her. In fact, you, me, and Aimee all had diffrent viewpoints
on the abortion thread. That's the one that got us talking in the first
place! (Scott Kensey also had some interesting things to say there.)
Anyway, I don't think Aimee has an over-inflated ego. If she takes things
too far for you, I'm sorry. The rest of us seem to be handling it okay,
including other 'old-timers' as opposed to the newbies.
> >
> > By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of
prepubescent
> > lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
I am not a sheep. Nor am I a lackey. I have a brain and I use it.
Darrien, you should know better than to post something as troll like as
this.
> >
> > Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
I hope not.
> >
> >
> > Darrien
> > Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and
realised
> > how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
That's sad, my friend. I'm sorry you feel this way, but not many of us
do.
--
Greyfalcon
aka mike matott
email:mat...@alleg.edu
<<sig currently under construction>>
C. Hoon
> J.D.Jones "Darrien"(lw9...@exeter.ac.uk) wrote:
>
> : The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
> : intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
> : like a good person to follow.
>
> You know what Darrien? You assume to much. ANd you are way too arrogant
> to the point that you think you've got us all pegged. First of all, I'm
> not a newbie, as Carrie so kindly pointed out (loveyababe!),
no problem. i have no qualms against pointing out inconsistencies. :)
--Carrie
(although lord knows i dont' appreciate having them pointed out to me. :) )
Alexander Trobai
I am sorry. I did not intend to cause a thread filled with such vitriol.
I was merely curious as to who you were. I thought that perhaps the
name Aimee was a psuedonym that Tori used for anonymity, but I was
not sure and wanted to find out. I should have stayed silent and read a
little more before posting. I am truly sorry for any pain or
inconvenience that my post caused. I will remain silent from now on.
Robert A. Johnson
On 6 Nov 1995, Alexander Trobai wrote:
>
> I am sorry. I did not intend to cause a thread filled with such vitriol.
> I was merely curious as to who you were. I thought that perhaps the
> name Aimee was a psuedonym that Tori used for anonymity, but I was
> not sure and wanted to find out. I should have stayed silent and read a
> little more before posting. I am truly sorry for any pain or
> inconvenience that my post caused. I will remain silent from now on.
Oh hey, no problem. You just gotta understand that Aimee and Darrien go
way back (to last spring...oooh!), and Darrien just has a thing against
Aimee. That's all. Don't worry, we LUV you.
Rob..Askdt*slap*[what is it with me today!]
Ahem, again:
Robert the Fruity Faerie from Hekk, or somesuch
lg - Loyd Goodbar
>In <951101084...@puzzled.demon.co.uk> Neil Parry <nlp...@puzzled.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>Alexander Trobai (ATr...@asmodeus.com) wrote:
>>: I Know I am new, but why does this one person have so much power in this
>>: group? I have heard that she even has her own fan newsgroup (though I
>>: have not seen it). What is her importance? Is there something that I am
>>: missing?
>>I don't think it's 'power' exactly... no-one here has power over anyone
>>else, we're all free to post exactly what we like. (as long as Aimee
>>doesn't see it and get annoyed that is ;)
>Of course, there are SOME sick people in this group who try to annoy Aimee,
>hoping that they'll get one of the special Divine Slaps of Retribution. or
>maybe even get bound and gagged and become her personal plaything.
Then again, if ya suck up enough, she *may* reward you with a rare
Dutch-oven-baked smae. [AIMEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!]
The operative word, of course, suck suck suck suck suck suck suck.....
[Eh, fuck it, go see SpaceBalls for the sordrid details!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
OTOH, being a PlayThing has its advantages....
- lg -
'This sucks!' - Skuld
/ "Oooh, I'm feeling totally amped today!!" \
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JOUR/F94
: I am sorry. I did not intend to cause a thread filled with such vitriol.
: I was merely curious as to who you were. I thought that perhaps the
: name Aimee was a psuedonym that Tori used for anonymity, but I was
: not sure and wanted to find out. I should have stayed silent and read a
: little more before posting. I am truly sorry for any pain or
: inconvenience that my post caused. I will remain silent from now on.
Alexander... you stay silent and I'll hurt you. Your question was
legitimate, and the vitriol <tune enter's Pierre's head... it's the
Gandharvas... "Vice flowed like a Vitriol river..." Pierre shakes head..
where was I...> was not your doing. Don't you DARE take credit for us
going overboard yet again! <grin>
Seriously, Alex, dude, mon ami, pal. Don't feel bad. Darrien's so
fucking bitter he would've found another way to attack Aimee. Not your
fault. Now join us in some trully lurid decadance, 'kay?
=-Cayden...feel me
Angela Reid
: Darrien, I was here before Aimee was. In fact, my friend, I was here
: have my own opinions. In fact I've argued with Aimee as much as I've
: agreed with her. In fact, you, me, and Aimee all had diffrent viewpoints
: on the abortion thread. That's the one that got us talking in the first
: place! (Scott Kensey also had some interesting things to say there.)
: Anyway, I don't think Aimee has an over-inflated ego. If she takes things
: too far for you, I'm sorry. The rest of us seem to be handling it okay,
: including other 'old-timers' as opposed to the newbies.
Me, too! Me, too! I've been an rmtaer since the day it was born (all it
wanted was rock and roll, porn and a motor bike).
I'm wondering--does letting an ng cause you to hate an artist you
otherwise like constitute autonomy? It seem to me that the sheep
doesn't have to like the sheepdog to be controlled by it.
Angela
jenny finkel
>
>
> I am sorry. I did not intend to cause a thread filled with such vitriol.
> I was merely curious as to who you were. I thought that perhaps the
> name Aimee was a psuedonym that Tori used for anonymity, but I was
> not sure and wanted to find out. I should have stayed silent and read a
> little more before posting. I am truly sorry for any pain or
> inconvenience that my post caused. I will remain silent from now on.
hey - you have every right to ask questions and dont you dare stop
posting. i for one want to hear what everyine has to say.
JENNY
J.D.Jones
> Well, J.D.Jones, you thought...
No, I *knew*
> : The importance is that a bunch of patheitc newbies lack the maturity or
> : intelligence to form their own opinions and so they suck up to whoever seems
> : like a good person to follow.
>
> Why are you so bitter towards Aimee, Darrien?
I am so disgusted by YOU, Wildfire. Nothing to do with her at all, except you
and your kindargateen (sp?) playpals like to kiss up to her.
Hell, you could have done the same to me, and I'd have treated you even worse.
> Because labeling people like this is hateful. You're doing it to hurt
> and strike out.
I'm doing it because it makes me want to vomit, Wildfire. *You* make me want
to vomit.
> : It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
> : time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
> : ego in this manner.
>
> Aimee cares. She *very* mature, deeply sexual, fun, and I love her, like
> just about everyone who knows her.
Hmm...from what I hear, you are rather fickle about your affections, so I can
allow myself the freedom to sneer at that.
Yeah, aimee *is* fun, sexual, although I would dispute mature, but that's a
private matter.
She is also egotistical. To my knowledge, she has never denied this.
> : By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
> : lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
>
> Or maybe look into yourself and work out your own problems, Darrien, and
> stop trying to hurt other people in your pain.
Awww, poor baby couldn't handle a fight with a grown-up and so has to try and
weaken me publically.
Nice try, Wildfire, but most ppl here already know at least some of my pain,
prolly waaay more than I told *you*.
I *know* a lot of my pain. And I'm not trying to hurt you cos of it. I'm
trying to insult you, challenge whatever last shed of pride your mediocre spirit
can conjure up, and then I can, quite simply, show you that you were wrong.
And, unfortunately, I won't even derive any pleasure from that.
However, if I could show everyone how full of shit you are...
...that would be fun.
> : Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
>
> : Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
>
> Who are you to say what Tori would do?
I am Fetal Distress, I am Pilot Error, I am the Random Chromsome, I am *me*.
Child, of course I know.
> : Darrien
> : Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
> : how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
>
> Or realized how much the ng makes you see how much you hate yourself.
Fuck ! You ain't been here long at *all*, have you ?
My self-hatred has *nothing* to do with the ng.
Unlike yours.
> Sorry to be so blunt.
I only wish that you'd given me a decent fight.
Darrien
**She's been everybody else's girl**
**Maybe one day she'll be her own **
Robert the Faerie
On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, J.D.Jones wrote:
[self-righteous spew against wildfire deleted]
> > Why are you so bitter towards Aimee, Darrien?
> I am so disgusted by YOU, Wildfire. Nothing to do with her at all, except you
> and your kindargateen (sp?) playpals like to kiss up to her.
>
Jealous again, Darrien?
> Hell, you could have done the same to me, and I'd have treated you even worse.
>
Hahahahahah! Sure, Darrien. We believe you.
> > Because labeling people like this is hateful. You're doing it to hurt
> > and strike out.
>
> I'm doing it because it makes me want to vomit, Wildfire. *You* make me want
> to vomit.
>
How nice. The little bully has to pick on someone he thinks is weaker
than himself.
> > : It happens on most ngs. Unfortunately, this
> > : time they chose Aimee and she is quite happy to boost her already over-inflated
> > : ego in this manner.
> >
> > Aimee cares. She *very* mature, deeply sexual, fun, and I love her, like
> > just about everyone who knows her.
>
> Hmm...from what I hear, you are rather fickle about your affections, so I can
> allow myself the freedom to sneer at that.
>
Oh, so it's bad to like someone because they are mature, et al.
> Yeah, aimee *is* fun, sexual, although I would dispute mature, but that's a
> private matter.
>
'judge not lest you be judged'. I hardly count you as someone to judge
someone elses maturity.
> She is also egotistical. To my knowledge, she has never denied this.
>
So when did self-assertiveness suddenly become egotistical. And you're
not acting at all egotistical in your post. Oh, not at all!
> > : By all means, join in and act like a little sheep like the rest of prepubescent
> > : lackeys. Or, maybe, you can use your *own* brain.
> >
> > Or maybe look into yourself and work out your own problems, Darrien, and
> > stop trying to hurt other people in your pain.
>
> Awww, poor baby couldn't handle a fight with a grown-up and so has to try and
> weaken me publically.
>
'he's a hypocrate, hypocrate!' And your not trying to weaken wildfire
publicly with this spew of yours. Let's face, the 'net is seen as the
domain of the nerd. Nerds, by definition, are people will low self
esteem. So, taking that a bit farther, prolly quite a bit of us are shy
and have low self esteem. Aimee helps us by showing us that we can be
assertive and still get respect. Then comes along mean ole' Darrien, who
doesn't like the idea of other people getting self esteem. Darrien, you
make me SICK!
> Nice try, Wildfire, but most ppl here already know at least some of my pain,
> prolly waaay more than I told *you*.
>
> I *know* a lot of my pain. And I'm not trying to hurt you cos of it. I'm
> trying to insult you, challenge whatever last shed of pride your mediocre spirit
> can conjure up, and then I can, quite simply, show you that you were wrong.
>
Oh, I see, you are supposedly trying to get us to be self-assertive. I
know the truth. You were trying to harm Aimee, because in the past you
duelled with her, and you LOST! This is your way of getting back.
Instead of entering in some of the other discussion, because you were
humiliated by your defeat before, you have to attack those of us who care
for Aimee. Nice try, Darrien. Instead of getting us riled up against
Aimee, we united against YOU.
> And, unfortunately, I won't even derive any pleasure from that.
>
> However, if I could show everyone how full of shit you are...
>
> ...that would be fun.
>
And who's full of shit here.....
> > : Either way, welcome to rmta, or should that be alt.kiss-ass.of.aimee.groupII ?
> >
> > : Tori would be revolted to see this mess...
> >
> > Who are you to say what Tori would do?
>
> I am Fetal Distress, I am Pilot Error, I am the Random Chromsome, I am *me*.
>
> Child, of course I know.
>
Oh yes. Mr. better-than-us-all shows himself to be egotistical and
immature. Isn't that what you said about Aimee? Hy-yp-o-cruh-see!
> > : Darrien
> > : Who listened to Tori for the first time in two months last night and realised
> > : how much this ng is making me hate Tori rather than actually like her.
> >
> > Or realized how much the ng makes you see how much you hate yourself.
>
> Fuck ! You ain't been here long at *all*, have you ?
>
> My self-hatred has *nothing* to do with the ng.
>
> Unlike yours.
>
Who's?
> > Sorry to be so blunt.
>
> I only wish that you'd given me a decent fight.
Well, of course, you chose your fight well. Wildfire wasn't the only one
who rebutted you. I guess you had to choose the post that you could rip
apart the easiest, since you're too wimpy to mess with the REAL women
(and men).
Robert the Faerie
C. Hoon
> Awww, poor baby couldn't handle a fight with a grown-up and so has to try and
> weaken me publically.
[the rest of it is somewhere else at the moment and doesn't deserve to be
quoted]
i have two things to say, talking like this, making personal attacks, is
unacceptable.
and secondly, darrien sounds like a child throughout the whole thing. i
think that speaks for itself.
--Carrie
(who is sickened)
jenny finkel
> Oh hey, no problem. You just gotta understand that Aimee and Darrien go
> way back (to last spring...oooh!), and Darrien just has a thing against
> Aimee. That's all. Don't worry, we LUV you.
if you guys dont mind gossiping would someone please tell me what this
thing between darrien and aimee is. you guys keep emntioning it and i
feel really dumb not knowing what youre talking about.
JENNY
JOUR/F94
J.D.Jones (lw9...@exeter.ac.uk) wrote:
[Lotsa selective snipping done throughout...there's only so much shit one
person can pay attention to before succombing to nausea...]
: I am so disgusted by YOU, Wildfire. Nothing to do with her at all, except you
: and your kindargateen (sp?) playpals like to kiss up to her.
: Hell, you could have done the same to me, and I'd have treated you even worse.
Deduct: I wanted the attention, why didn't you give it to me? I'm so
much better then Aimee, she doesn't deserve it!
: I'm doing it because it makes me want to vomit, Wildfire. *You* make me want
: to vomit.
Darrien, *YOU* make most people just want to...shrug and look away.
: Hmm...from what I hear, you are rather fickle about your affections, so I can
: allow myself the freedom to sneer at that.
Read: I deserve the attention, not her, ME ME ME!
: Yeah, aimee *is* fun, sexual, although I would dispute mature, but that's a
: private matter.
Read: I got to meet her, nya nya nya nya nya...
: Awww, poor baby couldn't handle a fight with a grown-up and so has to try and
: weaken me publically.
First, where's the grown up? Second, who's trying to weaken who with the
cheap shots, and third, Wildfire handled you a LOT better then you
think, and one would just have to point out how you decided not to take
on anyone else. Picking our spots, are we, you inane little speck of dirt?
: Nice try, Wildfire, but most ppl here already know at least some of my pain,
: prolly waaay more than I told *you*.
Read: Why doesn't ANYONE like me? WHAAAAA!
: And, unfortunately, I won't even derive any pleasure from that.
Nope, you'd only get that daily dose'o'vitriol.
: However, if I could show everyone how full of shit you are...
: ...that would be fun.
ANd every single one of us will now attempt to show you how much more
full of shit YOU are.
: My self-hatred has *nothing* to do with the ng.
Nah, it prolly has to do with the fact that there's so much to hate.
<Low, yes... deserved...yup.>
: I only wish that you'd given me a decent fight.
Wanna step up now, tough guy?
: Darrien
: **She's been everybody else's girl**
: **Maybe one day she'll be her own **
And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why all cheap shots against Darrien is
deserved.
Andrew Onifer
>Wildfore used daddy's computer again and spewed:
>> Why are you so bitter towards Aimee, Darrien?
>I am so disgusted by YOU, Wildfire. Nothing to do with her at all, except you
>and your kindargateen (sp?) playpals like to kiss up to her.
Um, doesn't kissing up to someone mean that you expect something from
them in return?
>Hell, you could have done the same to me, and I'd have treated you even worse.
I love you, Darrien.
>I'm doing it because it makes me want to vomit, Wildfire. *You* make me want
>to vomit.
You're doing it because you're sadistic and a troll. Actually, you're
worse than a troll. At least a troll isn't a hypocrite.
>Yeah, aimee *is* fun, sexual, although I would dispute mature, but that's a
>private matter.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
>She is also egotistical. To my knowledge, she has never denied this.
"if my ego is over-inflated simply
because i don't hate myself, too fucking bad."
>Awww, poor baby couldn't handle a fight with a grown-up and so has to try and
>weaken me publically.
Aww. Poor piece of shit asshole could attack someone who flamed him
so he has to go to one of the few people that was NICE to him.
>I *know* a lot of my pain. And I'm not trying to hurt you cos of it.
Oh, bullshit! You love hurting others. You're not happy unless
someone is unhappy. You're sick.
>I'm
>trying to insult you, challenge whatever last shed of pride your mediocre spirit
>can conjure up, and then I can, quite simply, show you that you were wrong.
Karen must have the patience of a thousand mothers to have put up with
you all summer.
>And, unfortunately, I won't even derive any pleasure from that.
Oh, that's the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.
>However, if I could show everyone how full of shit you are...
However, you're so full of shit...
>...that would be fun.
Yeah, we've already established the fact that you like to hurt others.
>> Who are you to say what Tori would do?
>I am Fetal Distress, I am Pilot Error, I am the Random Chromsome, I am *me*.
You're an asshole drowning in his own hypocrisy.
>> Sorry to be so blunt.
>I only wish that you'd given me a decent fight.
You don't deserve one.
Wildfire, I wouldn't let what Darrien said get to you. Darrien's just
an asshole. That's all.
Jay
(talk about prepubescent)
& I tried to tell my life story to the rain, &
& but it just ran into the sewer... &
& Andrew J. Onifer III ---> a...@po.cwru.edu &
& http://b61725.student.cwru.edu/ &
& PGP Key on WWW page &
Aimee Lortskell
: Wildfore used daddy's computer again and spewed:
points off for being puerile yourself.
: > Well, J.D.Jones, you thought...
: No, I *knew*
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!
: > Why are you so bitter towards Aimee, Darrien?
: I am so disgusted by YOU, Wildfire. Nothing to do with her at all, except you
: and your kindargateen (sp?) playpals like to kiss up to her.
: Hell, you could have done the same to me, and I'd have treated you even worse.
yes, it had nothing to do with me, which is why you whined about my ego.
[snip]
: > Aimee cares. She *very* mature, deeply sexual, fun, and I love her, like
: > just about everyone who knows her.
: Hmm...from what I hear, you are rather fickle about your affections, so I can
: allow myself the freedom to sneer at that.
gee, look who's talking. i personally haven't known toby to be fickle.
but obviously darrien knows us all better than we think, huh?
: Yeah, aimee *is* fun, sexual, although I would dispute mature, but that's a
: private matter.
i *could* say that i'm more mature than you, but it wouldn't mean much,
would it? what is this bizarre crusade you're going on? why do you have
such a problem with people liking me at all? there are certainly other
people on this ng who are as well or better-liked than me. but i don't
see you attacking them or those of us who banter with them.
: She is also egotistical. To my knowledge, she has never denied this.
i do deny that i'm egotistical in any bad way. hell yes, i feel good
about myself. that's called self esteem. i'm not the only one here who
has some. i don't understand why you're so particularly jealous of mine.
: > Or maybe look into yourself and work out your own problems, Darrien, and
: > stop trying to hurt other people in your pain.
: Awww, poor baby couldn't handle a fight with a grown-up and so has to try and
: weaken me publically.
again, look who's talking. next time you have a problem with me, write
to ME and tell me about it. this is just a juvenile attempt to start a
flamewar. so don't be poking others for what you see as being immature.
you're the one who's doing the name-calling.
[snip]
: > Who are you to say what Tori would do?
[snip]
: Child, of course I know.
then maybe you can explain rantz's comment on this subject. i believe
he's more qualified than you. or has he become one of my little sheep, too?
[snip]
: My self-hatred has *nothing* to do with the ng.
well, that explains why it NEVER shows up here, then.
: Unlike yours.
if you know him so well, then......?
Aimee the Whore
JOUR/F94
: I just wanted to tell everyone that Darrien has informed me that he has
: removed rmt-a from his newsreader subscription list. If this is accurate,
: it is probably pointless to post any responses to him.
In other words, fuckwit can't take a fight from da big boys. What a
little child.
Ya know, yesterday's Calvin and Hobbes relates well to this...
Calvin rants: I'm in a CRABBY mood! I hate the world, don't ANYBODY
bug me!
Starts mopping about.
Looks around
Philosophically: Nobody ever recognises my hints to smother me with
affection.
Darrien, if you're still out there. Fuck you.
=-Pierre...evil but right.
Andrew Onifer
>Alexander... you stay silent and I'll hurt you. Your question was
>legitimate, and the vitriol <tune enter's Pierre's head... it's the
>Gandharvas...
Actually, I thought of Star Me Kitten. Star Me Kitten? Well, one of
those R.E.M. songs. Yaknow, the one that doesn't mean anything :)
jay
(who kinda likes the way his name looks in lowercase)
brian keron
>
> Oh a message to the Dragon, or Roy, really, since that is who you
> really are! You demonstrated in that message how much a pervert and
> sodomist you are. Look at that fantasy you dreamed about me! And no, I
> don't open my mailbox to just anybody. You think I'm an idiot?
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`,b
C. Hoon
> Actually, I thought of Star Me Kitten. Star Me Kitten? Well, one of
> those R.E.M. songs. Yaknow, the one that doesn't mean anything :)
ok, so that narrows it down to about... um, all of them. thanks for teh
clarification. :P
--Carrie
Robert the Faerie
On 8 Nov 1995, JOUR/F94 wrote:
> Daniel Bradshaw (drea...@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
>
> : I just wanted to tell everyone that Darrien has informed me that he has
> : removed rmt-a from his newsreader subscription list. If this is accurate,
> : it is probably pointless to post any responses to him.
>
> In other words, fuckwit can't take a fight from da big boys. What a
> little child.
Exactly! I hate that! These guys (and they always seem to be guys)
write about how much they hate us, and then when we start flaming them,
they leave, claiming that the newsgroup made them so pansy-ass sick that
they had to live. Fuck them!
[Pierre's comments about how 11/8's Calvin and Hobbes applies to Darrien]
That's exactly what I thought when I saw that. Geez, that sounds like
some flamers I know!
> Darrien, if you're still out there. Fuck you.
Yeah! I second that!
Robert the Faerie
Yeah Pierre, let's have this party where all of us rmtaers take turns
fisting Darrien. Ah, the sphincter damage!
Robert the Faerie
On 8 Nov 1995, The Waitress wrote:
> Hey, Darrien.
>
> You're my type of man. You know. I wouldn't mind going out with
> you. We can talk about all the idiots on here! I know I should stop
> reading, but I still do.
Yep, I'd say the two of you are made for each other.
> Oh a message to the Dragon, or Roy, really, since that is who you
> really are! You demonstrated in that message how much a pervert and
> sodomist you are. Look at that fantasy you dreamed about me! And no, I
> don't open my mailbox to just anybody. You think I'm an idiot?
I don't think Kestrel would dream about you. In fact, no sane man would
dream about you. I think the Native Americans got their idea for the
story "The Women with Teeth in the Wrong Place" from you.
> And enough with the Dino and Barney nonsense. There's no such things
> as dinosaurs! A scientist said so on the 700 Club (the only reliable
> t.v. show that I watch!) Oh, very cute, Stormin'. You're the one who
> should be green, 'cause I'm right and you know it! And if you'd read
> the Bible, you'd see what gender is. I should talk to Jenny. I think
> she'd understand me a lot better!
Oh yeah, that's right. The earth was made in march of 4214 bc, or some
such crap. (hhm, interesting idea....tick off some fundies by calling it
bs instead of bc <eg>). BS....you know, that's the initials of "Bible
Study".
> Well, I took care of Tori. She can't come in here again. 'Cause I
> now have the right to refuse to serve anybody. Isn't that the charm.
> That's what I tell any obvious homosexual that comes in here, y'know.
Heheh, poor you. I don't look like a homosexual, yet that's me. Heheh,
poor bitch!
>
> The Waitress
>
> Yes, it's really good. It's my personal favorite. You'd really like
> some? Sorry, we don't have any!
Nah, anything that's your personal favorite ain't for me. And besides,
any place that would hire you must have poor standards.
Robert the Faerie :P
C. Hoon
> Exactly! I hate that! These guys (and they always seem to be guys)
> write about how much they hate us, and then when we start flaming them,
> they leave, claiming that the newsgroup made them so pansy-ass sick that
> they had to live. Fuck them!
ooooooh, he said pansy-ass!
um, robert, be careful. :)
--Carrie
(you were referring to the flower, right? :) )
Robert the Faerie
On 8 Nov 1995, Daniel Bradshaw wrote:
>
> I just wanted to tell everyone that Darrien has informed me that he has
> removed rmt-a from his newsreader subscription list. If this is accurate,
> it is probably pointless to post any responses to him.
Just a question for you: why do you know this? Is Darrien still talking
to you? Hmm, part of me believes that you're just saying this to get us
from wasting bandwidth on his post. (not that that's bad or anything, I
could never say anything bad about my cyber-twin).
Well, anyway, if you do keep in touch with him, tell him that we all
think he's an asshole, and that his post just contributed to our
solidarity, instead of its original intent (which, I imagine, was to
challenge us into thinking more for ourselves, or somesuch) (and he did
a poor job of it too).
Robert the Faerie
C. Hoon
> > I just wanted to tell everyone that Darrien has informed me that he has
> > removed rmt-a from his newsreader subscription list. If this is accurate,
> > it is probably pointless to post any responses to him.
>
> Just a question for you: why do you know this? Is Darrien still talking
> to you?
darrien told me the same thing.
> Hmm, part of me believes that you're just saying this to get us
> from wasting bandwidth on his post.
nope. he really did say he's leaving.
> Well, anyway, if you do keep in touch with him, tell him that we all
> think he's an asshole, and that his post just contributed to our
> solidarity, instead of its original intent (which, I imagine, was to
> challenge us into thinking more for ourselves, or somesuch) (and he did
> a poor job of it too).
um, he knows all that stuff, and doesn't care about most of it. but
he's gone anyways, so let's not stress it anymore.
--Carrie
jenny finkel
> the Bible, you'd see what gender is. I should talk to Jenny. I think
> she'd understand me a lot better!
why do you think id understand you a lot better? huh?
JENNY
Robert the Faerie
On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, brian keron wrote:
> In article <47rcr6$e...@dewey.csun.edu>, The Waitress <thewa...@stuckeys.com> writes:
> >
> > Oh a message to the Dragon, or Roy, really, since that is who you
> > really are! You demonstrated in that message how much a pervert and
> > sodomist you are. Look at that fantasy you dreamed about me! And no, I
> > don't open my mailbox to just anybody. You think I'm an idiot?
>
> <ahem> ... <ahem!> <ahemahem!!!> observe the magic:
>
> @noether.math[13]% finger @stuckeys.com
> finger: stuckeys.com: unknown host
>
> and undoubtedly 'stuckeys.com' explains this path statement in your
> post:
Well, yeah, most of us kinda noticed that stuckeys.com seems to be an
unlikely host (I mean, I could see, say, a bank or a lab having their own
computer, but a restaurant? come on!). Jeez, where have you been? :P
>
> Path:
> undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca!watserv3.uwaterloo.ca!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!
> newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csun.edu!usenet
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> A-HEMMMM!!!!!
> more magic:
>
> @noether.math[14]% finger @csun.edu
> [csun.edu]
> finger: csun.edu: Connection refused
>
> guess what? you don't exist!
Well, just because it says connection refused doesn't mean that it
doesn't exist. Sheesh, some of these computers sure are anal! It does
have you wondering, though......Who has an email address at csun.edu, huh?
Of course, I didn't want to mention this, since these kind of posts are
pretty cool. Just shows that someone has been messing around with
Netscape again.
Robert the Faerie
Norman Buchwald
Yes, don't let old spats between people get in the way. It's not your
fault at all. Most newbies usually get teased here for asking a
Tori-related question that's clearly in the FAQ. Your question was
an honest one, who was simply wondering what's going on here (a question
I'm sure that's on every newbie's mind). Aimee Lortskel is a member
who's been around for awhile who says things that most of us like (not
all of us and not always). I can understand your curiosity. It's not
your fault that Darrien chose to bring up a flame war right there and
create a big yelling contest.
The Storm
And nothing I do is good enough for you!
(Crucify ourselves?)
Norman Buchwald
Jenny,
there were some old flame wars that have happened among the regulars
here. I got a few stories that I'd rather not mention here in the
newsgroup, because why bring them up again? (That's what Brian was
pointing out earlier to one of my posts). Darrien and Aimee had a
previous feud and he chose right at that moment to flame her once again.
I did not see the past (I've only been here just under two months) and
perhaps I'm lucky I didn't. My best advice: ride it out whenever this
happens. In this case, Darrien has left us (probably for good).
Robert the Faerie
On 9 Nov 1995, JOUR/F94 wrote:
> Robert the Faerie (rlwj...@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU) wrote:
>
> : > In other words, fuckwit can't take a fight from da big boys. What a
> : > little child.
> : Exactly! I hate that! These guys (and they always seem to be guys)
> : write about how much they hate us, and then when we start flaming them,
> : they leave, claiming that the newsgroup made them so pansy-ass sick that
> : they had to live. Fuck them!
> Especially when they are so selective in their flaming. I notice he took
> on Wildfire, but none of the rest of us... what a chicken shit. And
> Wildfire was being nice. Darrien is a low species of troll.
Yeah! Exactly! (hmm, am I repeating myself) I used to think Darrien
was an okay guy. I used to find his post interesting, like last spring.
What happened?
> : Yeah Pierre, let's have this party where all of us rmtaers take turns
> : fisting Darrien. Ah, the sphincter damage!
>
> Eeeewww... I'm not shoving MY fist up him. He's WAY too full of shit.
Yeah, quite true. Well, why not use a monkey wrench instead?
Robert the Faerie
PS Yeah, yeah, I know, he's not listening to us, but still, it is rather
cathartic to get out all of my frustration and hatred out against
assholes like him.
Daniel Bradshaw
>Daniel Bradshaw (drea...@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
>: I just wanted to tell everyone that Darrien has informed me that he has
>: removed rmt-a from his newsreader subscription list. If this is accurate,
>: it is probably pointless to post any responses to him.
>Except that those responses may neutralize some of the venom of Darrien's
>post for uninvolved outside readers. A post on the internet is like
>graffiti on the wall. Just because the poster is gone doesn't mean his
>voice is silenced.
Good call, Angela...I hadn't thought about that. I hope that the negative
aura of his presence lately doesn't turn people away.
--
Dan Bradshaw, The Alpha Man drea...@camelot.bradley.edu
Idon'tknowwhatiamidon'tknowwherei'vebeenhumanjunkjustwordsandsomuchskinstick
myhandsthruthecageofthisendlessroutinejustsomefleshcaughtinthisbigbrokenmachine
Nine Inch Nails, _Happiness in Slavery_
samuel johnston
because the rest of us are having fun and he isn't.
SAMUEL JOHNSTON SPAC...@VM.TEMPLE.EDU
"HAVE YOU EVER SPENT DAYS AND DAYS AND DAYS THINKING UP ICE CREAM
FLAVORS THAT NO ONE HAS EVER EATEN BEFORE? LIKE CHICKEN AND
TELEPHONE ICE CREAM?"
Norman Buchwald
>
>
>> > @noether.math[14]% finger @csun.edu
>> > [csun.edu]
>> > finger: csun.edu: Connection refused
>> >
>> > guess what? you don't exist!
>>
>> Well, just because it says connection refused doesn't mean that it
>> doesn't exist.
>
>the postmaster. <nudge>-<wink>..
Uh . . . haven't you forgotten that I made a statement after the
waitress's first post, that I noticed that her post came from csun.edu?
Netscape does indicate where the newsgroup server comes from (where the
message is posted from).
>
>> Of course, I didn't want to mention this, since these kind of posts are
>> pretty cool. Just shows that someone has been messing around with
>> Netscape again.
>
>yeh, things like 'Barney' and 'Dino' and whatnot are *definitely* fun...
>
>`,b
I think these "characters" are some of us regulars having fun posting to
begin with. If I'm not mistaken, anyone can post a fake name and email
address on Netscape. For all we know, some of the "regular" people are
not really who they seem to be. After all, was Audrey Moo real? Or Dan
Kitti, for example? (My hat's off to Dan Kitti if he WAS Audrey Moo, he
(if he is a "he"!) fooled me into thinking she was a playful, feminist
90s woman! Where are you, by the way? You haven't been posting,
recently. Or HAVE you?)
But the more I think of the internet, how do we know any of us are who
we really say we are? But the last thing I want to happen, is for this
newsgroup to get imprisoned in someone's imagination again. :)
Do we want to know the true identities? The waitress sounded so
deliberately a stereotype to begin with. Like she was just there to
remind us the extremities of fundies or the people Tori talk about as in
the song "The Waitress" or the typical closed-minded I-know-everything
person who oppresses us, oppresses Tori to begin with. Or at least some
aspects. Let alone someone we can all flame. I like to respond to all
these "characters" whenever it's appropriate, myself. And there was one
time I couldn't resist to point out that the Barney messages were coming
from a similar address as someone else on this newsgroup.
Regardless, there is justice. She got fired, didn't she?
The Storm
(Who happens to know the owner of "The Flying Dutchman")
Oh, one more thing.
Napkin? You need no napkin! You're clearly a slob if I've ever seen
one. Use your hands. I'm sure you use them to wipe your ass as well!
Did you like the mask removed? Or would you rather have not known?
Robert the Faerie
On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, C. Hoon wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Robert the Faerie wrote:
>
> > Exactly! I hate that! These guys (and they always seem to be guys)
> > write about how much they hate us, and then when we start flaming them,
> > they leave, claiming that the newsgroup made them so pansy-ass sick that
> > they had to live. Fuck them!
>
> ooooooh, he said pansy-ass!
Heheh, I know... :P
> um, robert, be careful. :)
I will be. :P
> --Carrie
> (you were referring to the flower, right? :) )
Well, um, kind of. Just using the slang term you made up, in its
possible homophobic context, in the sense that that is prolly what people
like Darrien and people like him think of us when they flame us for
supposedly 'not thinking for ourselves'.
And, as always, just seeing if anyone would notice.
:P
robert the faerie
PS. :P You know, I got this terrible habit of sticking out my tongue
from you. I hope you're happy. Well, they do say that mockery is the
best form of flattery. so, :P
C. Hoon
> > > Exactly! I hate that! These guys (and they always seem to be guys)
> > > write about how much they hate us, and then when we start flaming them,
> > > they leave, claiming that the newsgroup made them so pansy-ass sick that
> > > they had to live. Fuck them!
> >
> > ooooooh, he said pansy-ass!
>
> Heheh, I know... :P
oh man... he's on a pansy spree... better watch him... *grin*
(and depending on how you interpret pansy, that is funny in different
ways :) )
> > --Carrie
> > (you were referring to the flower, right? :) )
>
> Well, um, kind of.
yeah, be vague. sure. that way no one can pin you down to anything. i
see the strategy, robert. :P
> Just using the slang term you made up,
*eep!*
i didn't make it up. i got it from my friends here. and i have no clue
as to where they got it from.
> in its
> possible homophobic context, in the sense that that is prolly what people
> like Darrien and people like him think of us when they flame us for
> supposedly 'not thinking for ourselves'.
well, i liked how it was used. :)
> And, as always, just seeing if anyone would notice.
well, of course we notice! sheesh...
> robert the faerie
>
> PS. :P You know, I got this terrible habit of sticking out my tongue
> from you. I hope you're happy. Well, they do say that mockery is the
> best form of flattery. so, :P
it's fun, huh? sticking your tongue out. it got it form sol a long
long time ago. and the best part is that you can respond with a simple
little :P and nothing else, and everyone knows what you mean. :)
--Carrie
( :P )
C. Hoon
> jenny finkel <fin...@intac.com> wrote:
> >if you guys dont mind gossiping would someone please tell me what this
> >thing between darrien and aimee is. you guys keep emntioning it and i
> >feel really dumb not knowing what youre talking about.
> > JENNY
>
> there were some old flame wars that have happened among the regulars
> here. I got a few stories that I'd rather not mention here in the
> newsgroup, because why bring them up again? (That's what Brian was
> pointing out earlier to one of my posts). Darrien and Aimee had a
> previous feud and he chose right at that moment to flame her once again.
> I did not see the past (I've only been here just under two months) and
> perhaps I'm lucky I didn't. My best advice: ride it out whenever this
> happens. In this case, Darrien has left us (probably for good).
*ahem*
um, i'm a regular, have been here for a while, and i don't understand
most of it either. :)
--Carrie
(course, i was gone for a *long* time this summer... but that's beside
the point)
ps the basics have already been explained, and i don't really need to
know more than that, i think. :)
Robert the Faerie
On 9 Nov 1995, Daniel Bradshaw wrote:
> In <Pine.A32.3.91.951109...@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Robert the Faerie <rlwj...@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> writes:
[my question on how Dan knew that Darrien was leaving snipped]
> I e-mailed him in response to one of his posts, basically telling him that
> if he was so pissed off at the group, he should simply leave and stop
> taking pot-shots. He responded, saying that that's exactly what he has
> done. I deleted his letter and, if I had my druthers, will never
> correspond with him again.
Well, that's cool. I'd love to have him here witnessing how much we LUV
him, but then again, I'm glad he's gone. I was kind of wondering, too,
if he was keeping in touch with you civilly. It would be nice to have
the old Darrien back (tho it's prolly my faulty memory which makes it
seem to me that Darrien wasn't that bad in the past).
> >Well, anyway, if you do keep in touch with him, tell him that we all
> >think he's an asshole, and that his post just contributed to our
> >solidarity, instead of its original intent (which, I imagine, was to
> >challenge us into thinking more for ourselves, or somesuch) (and he did
> >a poor job of it too).
>
> I probably will not keep in touch with him. I think that, at this point,
> if he doesn't realize that we think he's an asshole, he never will.
Yeah....best just forget about him. :/
Robert the Faerie
mean-eating fungi
>
> Uh . . . haven't you forgotten that I made a statement after the
> waitress's first post, that I noticed that her post came from csun.edu?
> Netscape does indicate where the newsgroup server comes from (where the
> message is posted from).
<blinks once>
<pause>
<blinks twice>
<longer pause>
oh.
i noticed....
really!
i must be getting old.
> I think these "characters" are some of us regulars having fun posting to
> begin with.
prolly.
> If I'm not mistaken, anyone can post a fake name and email
> address on Netscape.
or likely any other newsreader.. xrn here just leaves the stuff right on
top, waiting to be edited.
in fact, i edited this one. if it doesn't get through, then that's why..
and no doubt asdk-etch-n-sketch is increasing his hold on me right now for
toying with those precious headers.
> For all we know, some of the "regular" people are
> not really who they seem to be. After all, was Audrey Moo real? Or Dan
> Kitti, for example?
true 'nuff.
> But the more I think of the internet, how do we know any of us are who
> we really say we are? But the last thing I want to happen, is for this
> newsgroup to get imprisoned in someone's imagination again. :)
gee, and we all know how terrible *that* would be.
> Do we want to know the true identities?
well, i think for honest conversations and debates and stuff, that true
identities are a good thing... my posting this as 'The Fungi' or whatever
doesn't add anything to the post. but for general silliness, if regulars
want to post as 'Barney' or 'God' or 'Skippy the Wonder Demon', hey, go
right ahead...
> Regardless, there is justice. She got fired, didn't she?
i was rather hoping for a public flogging... ;P
> The Storm
>
> (Who happens to know the owner of "The Flying Dutchman")
>
> Oh, one more thing.
>
> Napkin? You need no napkin! You're clearly a slob if I've ever seen
> one. Use your hands. I'm sure you use them to wipe your ass as well!
>
> Did you like the mask removed? Or would you rather have not known?
!! i'm not sure i like where all this is leeeeeeeeading...
`,The Giant Man-Eating Fungi from Yuggoth,'
brian keron
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, brian keron wrote:
> >
> > @noether.math[13]% finger @stuckeys.com
> > finger: stuckeys.com: unknown host
> >
> > and undoubtedly 'stuckeys.com' explains this path statement in your
> > post:
>
> Well, yeah, most of us kinda noticed that stuckeys.com seems to be an
> unlikely host (I mean, I could see, say, a bank or a lab having their own
> computer, but a restaurant? come on!). Jeez, where have you been? :P
i know, i got a little annoyed with this particular person's claim to exist,
so i figured i'd state it publicly. besides, not *everyone* knows about
path statements and the like...
> > @noether.math[14]% finger @csun.edu
> > [csun.edu]
> > finger: csun.edu: Connection refused
> >
> > guess what? you don't exist!
>
> Well, just because it says connection refused doesn't mean that it
> doesn't exist.
actually, a refused connection proves it does exist..
> It does
> have you wondering, though......Who has an email address at csun.edu, huh?
the postmaster. <nudge>-<wink>..
> Of course, I didn't want to mention this, since these kind of posts are
Aimee Lortskell
: Now he seems like the biggest asshole ever to touch his crack to this ng.
i just want to say this turn of phrase made me laugh so hard i cried.
robert, you great big faerie fagman pansy-boy, you're hysterical!
as for jenny's question, it's kind of complicated. yes, darrien and i
exchanged some animosity on the ng a while back. but really the problem
is that darrien hates it when he successfully befriends someone. he even
went so far as to viist me and stay almost a week when he was in the US
for the summer. but he always feels the need to lash out and ruin it.
that's the real problem here.
Aimee the Whore
--
*--NINnie----BAAWA!----Toriphile------Crunchy PB Heretic--*
* losing your faith is a lot like losing your virginity; *
* you don't realize how irritating it was 'til it's gone *
* - AEL (me) *
*---------------------------------------------------------*
Daniel Bradshaw
>This is what I find strange about this whole buisness, how someone can
>suddenly turn out to be so damn nasty when you had them down as being ok.
>What about the rest of us here? Do we all have it in us to react like
>that if the circumstances are right, if we're feeling particulary screwed
>up that day? I must confess to falling into the trap of thinking I know
>the people here, but when it comes down to it, how well can you really
>know someone from a few usenet posts and the odd email?
I know that I could certianly lash out if things worked out certain ways.
I can be a real bastard on my bad days. But I always come back and
apologize...usually with the persistance of a badger.
Angela Reid
: Robert the Faerie (rlwj...@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU) wrote:
: : Yeah! Exactly! (hmm, am I repeating myself) I used to think Darrien
: : was an okay guy. I used to find his post interesting, like last spring.
: : What happened?
: This is what I find strange about this whole buisness, how someone can
: suddenly turn out to be so damn nasty when you had them down as being ok.
: What about the rest of us here? Do we all have it in us to react like
: that if the circumstances are right, if we're feeling particulary screwed
: up that day? I must confess to falling into the trap of thinking I know
: the people here, but when it comes down to it, how well can you really
: know someone from a few usenet posts and the odd email?
I don't know. I thought the stranger rape versus date rape thread was a
bit off. But, then, I disagreed with him.
Angela
Midnight Tree Bandit
> i *could* say that i'm more mature than you, but it wouldn't mean much,
> would it? what is this bizarre crusade you're going on? why do you have
> such a problem with people liking me at all? there are certainly other
> people on this ng who are as well or better-liked than me. but i don't
> see you attacking them or those of us who banter with them.
It what you get, Aimee, when you try to *hig* him and he turns his back
on you. It's all your fault, dontcha know.
> i do deny that i'm egotistical in any bad way. hell yes, i feel good
> about myself. that's called self esteem. i'm not the only one here who
> has some. i don't understand why you're so particularly jealous of mine.
I think you kinda answered that question for him: you have it, he
doesn't. Darrien's jealous.
> [snip]
> : > Who are you to say what Tori would do?
> [snip]
> : Child, of course I know.
>
> then maybe you can explain rantz's comment on this subject. i believe
> he's more qualified than you. or has he become one of my little sheep, too?
Okay Rantz, there's your cue. All together now:
BAA-AAA-AAA!
BAA-AAA-AAA!
-=><=-
(proud to be the black sheep in Aimee's flock)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
| 100,000 druids can't be wrong!
"My heart loves freedom | Midnight Tree Bandit
Don't stop me from being free" | mtba...@io.com
-- Ofra Haza | http://www.io.com/~mtbandit/
Midnight Tree Bandit
>
> I just wanted to tell everyone that Darrien has informed me that he has
> removed rmt-a from his newsreader subscription list. If this is accurate,
> it is probably pointless to post any responses to him.
Cool! So that means we can return to more relevant bickering, eh?
Why didn't he just do that in the first place?
-=><=-
Daniel Bradshaw
>Daniel Bradshaw (drea...@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
>>
>> I just wanted to tell everyone that Darrien has informed me that he has
>> removed rmt-a from his newsreader subscription list. If this is accurate,
>> it is probably pointless to post any responses to him.
>Cool! So that means we can return to more relevant bickering, eh?
I don't see why not.
>Why didn't he just do that in the first place?
'Cause he didn't have a clue....at least, that's my guess.
--
Dan Bradshaw, The Alpha Man drea...@camelot.bradley.edu
This sig was filmed in front of a live television audience.
Well, alright, so SOME of them were dead.....
Neil Parry
: Yeah! Exactly! (hmm, am I repeating myself) I used to think Darrien
: was an okay guy. I used to find his post interesting, like last spring.
: What happened?
This is what I find strange about this whole buisness, how someone can
suddenly turn out to be so damn nasty when you had them down as being ok.
What about the rest of us here? Do we all have it in us to react like
that if the circumstances are right, if we're feeling particulary screwed
up that day? I must confess to falling into the trap of thinking I know
the people here, but when it comes down to it, how well can you really
know someone from a few usenet posts and the odd email?
Neil
(but I love ya all really! :)
Roy A. Getting
>> Oh a message to the Dragon, or Roy, really, since that is who you
>> really are! You demonstrated in that message how much a pervert and
>> sodomist you are. Look at that fantasy you dreamed about me! And no, I
>> don't open my mailbox to just anybody. You think I'm an idiot?
>I don't think Kestrel would dream about you. In fact, no sane man would
>dream about you. I think the Native Americans got their idea for the
>story "The Women with Teeth in the Wrong Place" from you.
Besides... I'm Andy :>
Kestrel
The Fairly Decent Dragon
Andrew Onifer
: um, i'm a regular, have been here for a while, and i don't understand
: most of it either. :)
That's 'cause you weren't here this summer. Let's just say it was a long,
strange trip. :)
jay
--
| | "He saw the hands that build /~~\
| | Could also pull down... |
| | The hands of love. " -U2 __/ aj...@fyi.net
\_/ Andrew J. Onifer III /____
Midnight Tree Bandit
> <ahem> ... <ahem!> <ahemahem!!!> observe the magic:
>
[various other things leading to final proof snipped]
> guess what? you don't exist!
Gee, I coulda toldja that! All you have to do is wish it really hard,
and you can send anyone into nonexistenceland. Except me, becausze it's
my idea, so I have to stay present to keep the possibility in force. You
wish me out of existence, and this whole plane will disappear. Because,
you see, you were all created out of mine own fevered brain. (If you
ever read Sheri Tepper's 'Beauty' you would understand the principle
behind this.)
NBuchwald
Because,
you see, you were all created out of mine own fevered brain.
I now write:
Auuugh! We're trapped again. Once again we're in someone's imagination,
this time Midnight Tree Bandit trying to keep his mind off prison and why
he is there. Meanwhile, Barney is currently running for a senate seat
against Oliver North (Expect a low turn out for this election) and Darrien
and The Waitress are planning a fiendish plot against Aimee the Whore and
her child, Amy Moo.
Well, we will find our way into reality again. Somehow. Someway.
Stormin' Norman
(I'm Baaaaaaack!)
Now, how do we get out of this? (Since I really need to find time to
finish my thesis, and cannot handle another "real world" story) Please,
Midnight Tree Bandit, say you're only joking. Recant. We all don't need
this again! Pleeeeeeeease!
Roy A. Getting
>Robert the Faerie (rlwj...@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU) wrote:
>: I don't think Kestrel would dream about you. In fact, no sane man would
>: dream about you. I think the Native Americans got their idea for the
>: story "The Women with Teeth in the Wrong Place" from you.
>Ah! Vagina dentata! Not just the Native Americans; that's a motif that
>pops up all over. : )
The Chinese have a festival about such an occurance, I believe, and
one of the movie theatres in the background of the video "The Three
Little Pigs" had an ad for "Her Thing Had Teeth".
Ouch.
Midnight Tree Bandit
> >> I just wanted to tell everyone that Darrien has informed me that he has
> >> removed rmt-a from his newsreader subscription list. If this is accurate,
> >> it is probably pointless to post any responses to him.
> >Why didn't he just do that in the first place?
>
> 'Cause he didn't have a clue....at least, that's my guess.
You imply that he has one now. I find that hard to beleive.
Midnight Tree Bandit
> Midnight Tree Bandit wrote:
> Because,
> you see, you were all created out of mine own fevered brain.
>
> I now write:
>
> Auuugh! We're trapped again. Once again we're in someone's imagination,
> this time Midnight Tree Bandit trying to keep his mind off prison and why
> he is there. Meanwhile, Barney is currently running for a senate seat
> against Oliver North (Expect a low turn out for this election) and Darrien
> and The Waitress are planning a fiendish plot against Aimee the Whore and
> her child, Amy Moo.
All well and god, except, you see, Darrien, the Waitress, and AudreyMoo
are not part of thise world. Neither is Oliver North, nor Barney. They
simply don't exist because I don't want them to. Easy enough.
As for the rest of you. Well, I am a benevolent controller of minds. Do
as you wish, never mind me (as if you ever did).
> Now, how do we get out of this? (Since I really need to find time to
> finish my thesis, and cannot handle another "real world" story) Please,
> Midnight Tree Bandit, say you're only joking. Recant. We all don't need
> this again! Pleeeeeeeease!
I would if I could but, well, if I do, we will all cease to exist. I'd
rather hang about, meself. Go finish your thesis, I'll let you.
Daniel Bradshaw
>Daniel Bradshaw (drea...@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
>> 'Cause he didn't have a clue....at least, that's my guess.
>You imply that he has one now. I find that hard to beleive.
Oops! Verb tense goof-up!
My mistake.
--
Dan Bradshaw, The Alpha Man drea...@camelot.bradley.edu
I think that if Abraham Lincoln were alive today, he wouldn't be President,
or even a Senator. He'd be too busy frantically clawing at the inside of
his coffin, gasping for air.
samuel johnston
cm4b...@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk (Wildfire) writes:
>
>Well, J.D.Jones, you thought...
>: I only wish that you'd given me a decent fight.
>
>I think, this, says everything. That you want to *fight*.
>
>I think in *any* situation, under *any* circumstances, violence or
>aggression of *any* sort only worsens things. Makes people more bitter,
>more hateful, more spiteful.
>
>So I could say a ton of hurtful things here. But it's *so* pointless.
>What does it achieve? You get angrier, more hurt, more bitter. It's so
>utterly totally stupid to do this. So why do it, Darrien?
>
>Wildfire :-)
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Oh God could it be the weather? - oh God - why am I here? If love isn't
>forever...and it's not the weather...*whisper* - hand me my leather..."
>
>Member of the AEL fan club :-)
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Anger, fear, aggression, the dark side of the Force are they. Once you
start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you
it will....." *switches off Yoda mode* Sorry, I couldn't resist.
JOUR/F94
Just 'cause I'm feeling like the evil Cayden you all know, I am posting
this. Hehehe. ANybody else got a similar experiance? MUAHAHAHA!
Anyways, this is taken from my Email, none of Darrien's letter has been
snipped, so I won't post it, only my answer to it.
---herewego!----
On Mon, 13 Nov 1995 J.D....@exeter.ac.uk wrote:
> Oh shit, I gotta come back, lurking for just *one* day, don't I ? And I meet
> *your* lame bollox. Well, I never said I wanted to beat em, so I guess I'll
> join em...
Hehehe... nothing better then a troller's resply to know you hit a
nerve.
> In article <47pckt$8g...@hopper.acs.ryerson.ca> you write:
> > Oh man, this one is almost TOO easy...
>
> Then why did you do such a poor job ?
Well... there was no agruing to DO! All it was was a bunch of
inflamatory BS, to be replied to in a way that would either show you how
I feel about your inane little rant and maybe show a newbie who might get
the wrong impression of you that there's another side to the question:
ie, you're full of shit.
> > [Lotsa selective snipping done throughout...there's only so much shit one
> > person can pay attention to before succombing to nausea...]
>
> No, cos your brain can't *real* arguments so you only address the easy ones.
NO, the only stuff I clipped where itsy bitsy cheap shots. You didn't
HAVE any real arguments, that's why it was easy.
> > Deduct: I wanted the attention, why didn't you give it to me? I'm so
> > much better then Aimee, she doesn't deserve it!
>
> Wrong. *Lots* of fucking ppl have paid me attention by email and I tend to get
> them all to tone down. Only once have I not done that, and I deeply regretted
> it, cos that person needed to find their own way, not mine and besides, I was
> prolly more screwed up than they were, so they shouldn't be trying to follow my
> example.
Your self pity should be addressed before you start getting on
self-righteous rants, Darrien.
> I am not an attention grabber. In fact, I hate ppl paying me attention, good
> or bad. That's the biggest reason I regret ever posting anything in the first
> place.
Right, I've heard all about your problem with attention. But you keep on
trying anyway! I mean, why would you Email me a response? You wanted me
to see what you where thinking. Or you wanted to try and limit the
damage. Whatever. But if you truly did not want the attention that you
KNOW I will give you, then why would you Email me, of all people...
> > Darrien, *YOU* make most people just want to...shrug and look away.
> ^^^^
> Then why didn't you ?
>
> You just totally contradicted your own point !
I'm not most people, now AM I?
> No, she deserves more than me. She certainly wants it more than me. I just
> hate to see little sheep. And that's all I can see right now. Ppl like you
> being little sheep.
See, now this is where I find that things get interesting. You know
NOTHING about me, my ideas, what I stand for, etc. Only that I get along
with Aimee. That I agree with her on most of the points stated on the
newsgroup (not all, BTW< if you where to read the feminist threads).
THAT makes me a sheep? All I can say is fuck you you little elitist. I
don't need to proove to anyone my autonomy and that I stand alone, so
this is all I'll say on that subject.
> > : Yeah, aimee *is* fun, sexual, although I would dispute mature, but that's a
> > : private matter.
> >
> > Read: I got to meet her, nya nya nya nya nya...
> Son, I've slept with Aimee. Come back when you have a clue...
Oh, I know THAT story, Darrien. I've got more of a clue then you THINK I
do. Yes, I do mean that. But since I'm planning on posting this to the
Newsgroup, I won't mention exactly WHAT it is.
> > First, where's the grown up?
>
> Et tu ?
ME? I'm 19 years old. I'm not a grown up, I am only trying to be, I
make mistakees, I certainly don't have the answers, and I do succomb to
my sense of Rage.
> > Second, who's trying to weaken who with the
> > cheap shots, >
> Actually, as childish as I know this sounds, he started it. But then you
> wouldn't realise the fact, you haven't got a clue.
I wouldn't expect you to try and talk to me anyway, you're too narrow
minded to see anything other then what you WANT to see.
> Um, I actaully replied to the only two posts my provider gave me with. Only one
> of those was an attack, but it was pure response, an unconcentrated and actually
> barely remembered retort.
Yea... my fave right now HAS to be Angela's. You should read it. It
gets to the point pretty well. But I still like doing it... it gives me
a chance to channel my anger onto those who deserve it.
> But I will admit that I made a mistake. It was childish and lacked panache.
> I would say that I'll do better next time, but I'm not a comin' back, just as
> I promised.
Uh-uh. Good for you. Run away little boy. Go deal with your own
problems before passing blanket judgment on such a various and obviously
independant thinking collection of people.
> I have a question though, will you ever realise how childish *your* attacks
> are ? You see, as an adult, I can be prone to huge bouts of immaturity, and
> I displayed it as such. However, I have the ability to see that I made a
> mistake and admit it. I even apologised (yeah, not on rmta, cos I promised
> not to post there, but I did it on her little sister group). Thing is, I
> doubt you'll ever see or appreciate, how much worse you are.
Worse? No... I just know WHEN to act like this. In response to low
posts such as yours. That's all you deserve, Darrien. Like I said, it's
my angry side coming through. I doubt you've read anything of mine
concerning REAL issues. WHen I step out of line, I realise it and have
apologised. Not in hiding, but where it MATTERS: Where the people
concerned will actually SEE it.
> > Or maybe you do.
Uh-uh. NExT!
> > > Picking our spots, are we, you inane little speck of dirt?
>
> LOL.
>
> Lots of ppl like me, that's why I haven't been on the net much this term.
>
> You're still here though, aren't you ?
Yea, actually, I like the newsgroup. It's a great thing to do when
you've got a few hours to kill. Instead of television, usually. WHy,
something wrong with that? Or do you equate being on the net as
automatically having no social life? 'Cause that would be wrong, ya
know. Oh, I'm not gonna try and convince you by naming off all the stuff
I've done lately, 'cause I don't give a shit wether I convince you or
not, I just wanted to point out that you made yet another blanket
assessment of the case.
As for the people who like you... gee... wouldn't that count as unwanted
attention? How long till you go and hurt THEM? Or have you learned to
live with yourself yet, and can start doing so with others... I won't
waste any compation on you though... ya wouldn't want it.
>
> : And, unfortunately, I won't even derive any pleasure from that. > >
> > Nope, you'd only get that daily dose'o'vitriol.
>
> Hardly daily. This was just vomit, plain and simple.
Agreed. Pick a better spot next time, would you? I always wind up doing
the cleaning.
> >
> > ANd every single one of us will now attempt to show you how much more
> > full of shit YOU are.
> And that'll mean that everyone 'turns away and ignores this' ? I think not.
>
> Please, some consistancey to your arguments.
Some by posting followups, some by ignoring... all of which tends to show
how full of shit you are. Clear now?
> > : My self-hatred has *nothing* to do with the ng.
> >
> > Nah, it prolly has to do with the fact that there's so much to hate.
> > <Low, yes... deserved...yup.>
>
> Low - not hardly. Deserved - yes, but only from you if you have some insecurity
> complex with regards to my calling a number of rmta 'sheep'.
Insecurities? I have a few... none of them caused by you though... why
would you think that anything you say would make me feel insecure? If
it's because I reply, well... no, that's just 'cause I have this thing
against trolls that sometimes makes me just wanna tell them what I
think. I'm outspoken. So is there really so much to hate, Darrien?
Aww... Here, have a hig. <hig>
> Do you think I called *you* a sheep ?
Yes, you called everyone who associates with Aimee a sheep. I obviously
associate with Aimee. Therefore, you called me a sheep. It's really
quite easy to deduct.
> > Why ever would I do that ? >
How should I know why you'd do something? I'm still trying to figure
myself out, if ya want some psychoanalisys, go see someone who cares! I
don't give three shits if you completly self destruct right now.
> > : I only wish that you'd given me a decent fight.
> >
> > Wanna step up now, tough guy?
>
> LOL.
What*ever*! <wink2Carrie> <added at time of post to rmta>
> See you in 5 years, son.
Why? You'll be better then?
I think that you should be the last person on earth to be patronising.
You say you loathe yourself, you say you hate attention... and yet you
don't act that way, now do you? It would leave me to ponder it longer,
but right after I post this to RMT-A, (To give you ALL the attention you
need, 'cause I'm an evil bastard... and to help further defuse your
comments about Aimee) you will once again be forgotten.
>> : **She's been everybody else's girl**
> > : **Maybe one day she'll be her own **
> >
> > And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why all cheap shots against Darrien is
> > deserved.
>
> Hmmm ? I presume you have *no* idea what my sig means to me, and I can only
> guess what your inturpretation is. Something homophobic maybe ?
Homophobic? Me? Um, no. If you'd read anything that I'd written on the
subject, or, go figure, have a clue as to who I am, then you would know
that I am far from homophobic.
My interpretation: Funny how Darrien would actually use this sig at this
point when he prefers the "fuck my sig" on the rest of his posts. If you
interpret it to the context of sheep, which is what he considers a lot of
us to be, it becomes clear that it was nothing more then a cheap shot.
Good thing it was Tori though... hmmmm... Tori.
> > ****************************************************Pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca***
> > Pierre Becquey If IgNOrAncE iS bLiSS
> > Ryerson Polytechnic University THen kNoCK tHE SMiLe OfF mY FAcE!
> > Toronto, Canada eh!!! -Rage Against The Machine
> >
> Oh no, you *are* the prefect smiling boy :)
Feel better? Oh, that was nice, wasn't it? Whatever makes your day,
little boy!
=-Cayden
****************************************************Pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca***
Pierre Becquey If IgNOrAncE iS bLiSS
Ryerson Polytechnic University THen kNoCK tHE SMiLe OfF mY FAcE!
Toronto, Canada eh!!! -Rage Against The Machine
--
****************************************************Pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca***
Pierre Becquey If IgNOrAncE iS bLiSS
Ryerson Polytechnic University THen kNoCK tHE SMiLe OfF mY FAcE!
Toronto, Canada eh!!! -Rage Against The Machine
Andrew Onifer
>Hey peoples!
>Just 'cause I'm feeling like the evil Cayden you all know, I am posting
>this. Hehehe. ANybody else got a similar experiance? MUAHAHAHA!
Umm...Pierre? I don't think it's a really good idea to post private
email to a public forum. Even if he is a childish prick.
Call me a prude...
jay
(a prude)
Daniel Bradshaw
>Well, um, see, pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca (JOUR/F94) wrote:
>>Just 'cause I'm feeling like the evil Cayden you all know, I am posting
>>this. Hehehe. ANybody else got a similar experiance? MUAHAHAHA!
>Umm...Pierre? I don't think it's a really good idea to post private
>email to a public forum. Even if he is a childish prick.
This is probably true. It is not a good idea to bring such things into the
open. At least without the permission of the other person (Hi, Robert!)
>Call me a prude...
OK, you're a taxicab!
(Shit...I never get the timing right....)
Aimee Lortskell
[darrien]
: nope. he really did say he's leaving.
i'm sure he has. but he's said it before, and he's always returned
anyway. so who knows?
Aimee the Whore
--
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Robert the Faerie
On 13 Nov 1995, Daniel Bradshaw wrote:
> In <488f12$e...@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> a...@po.cwru.edu (Andrew Onifer) writes:
>
> >Well, um, see, pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca (JOUR/F94) wrote:
>
> >>Just 'cause I'm feeling like the evil Cayden you all know, I am posting
> >>this. Hehehe. ANybody else got a similar experiance? MUAHAHAHA!
> >Umm...Pierre? I don't think it's a really good idea to post private
> >email to a public forum. Even if he is a childish prick.
>
> This is probably true. It is not a good idea to bring such things into the
> open. At least without the permission of the other person (Hi, Robert!)
[dozing off while reading posts] [awakens suddenly] Hey! [re-reads the line]
Umm, well, okay, I'm kinda guilty, but I did ask you beforehand......is
that okay? I was gonna respond to your last e-mail (prolly tomorrow, I'm
extremely outta it, even though it's only midnight)......is it okay if I
post it? Umm, well, sorry if you didn't want me to post my responses....
I just thought people might be interested in what we talk about :/
>
> >Call me a prude...
>
> OK, you're a taxicab!
> (Shit...I never get the timing right....)
Huh? I don't get it.....maybe tomorrow morning......
Um, and I kinda like "jay the prude".....it's not true, tho.....hmm, how
'bout jay the prune. Whaddya think, jay?
Robert the Faerie
Daniel Bradshaw
>On 13 Nov 1995, Daniel Bradshaw wrote:
>> This is probably true. It is not a good idea to bring such things into the
>> open. At least without the permission of the other person (Hi, Robert!)
>[dozing off while reading posts] [awakens suddenly] Hey! [re-reads the line]
>Umm, well, okay, I'm kinda guilty, but I did ask you beforehand......is
>that okay? I was gonna respond to your last e-mail (prolly tomorrow, I'm
>extremely outta it, even though it's only midnight)......is it okay if I
>post it? Umm, well, sorry if you didn't want me to post my responses....
>I just thought people might be interested in what we talk about :/
Robert...buddy...you misunderstand...
I was pointing you out as having done the right thing! You asked, I gave
my permission, we're cool. I'm actually really glad you asked before you
posted it.
Sorry if I wasn't clear...oops! ;)
--
Dan Bradshaw, Suburban Taoist drea...@camelot.bradley.edu
"Be nice to other people. They outnumber you 5.5 billion to one."
Dru'el The Chaotic
Quoted in the Principia Discordia
JOUR/F94
<and a whole bunch of other people to the same effect>
: I REALLY WISH YOU HADN'T POSTED THIS. I don't think you understand how
: much this hurt me. I really didn't need to read this *PRIVATE* e-mail and
: I would appreciate if you wouldn't do this again, Pierre, without consent
: of Darrien. I've seen you do this before, during that whole Angus
: episode. I don't think it's right.
Umm... well, at the time of the posting, like I said, I was feeling
evil. And his Email was not private, to me it was just another cowardly
attack and I decided to be a bastard and give him all the attention he
deserves by posting it. I did it because I god damned well felt like it,
and if anyone thinks they can attack me through Email, kinda like in a
dark alley, well I don't stand for it. This thing belonged in THIS
thread, that's what I saw. Right to know, blah blah blah... I'm in J
school dammit.
SO if people don't agree with my posting this, I gave ample warning in
the header, just don't read it. Sorry, I just don't see eye to eye with
you guys on this one.
I actually thought the post hadn't gone through, it's a dead.article
file... I dunno... I wasn't gonna come back and try to repost it, but
hey, what's done is done, and I am not repentant.
Deal with it.
=-Pierre... in a damned good mood today nevertheless...
Scott Kenney
: Karen Whyte (kar...@iac.net) wrote:
: <and a whole bunch of other people to the same effect>
: : I REALLY WISH YOU HADN'T POSTED THIS. I don't think you understand how
: : much this hurt me. I really didn't need to read this *PRIVATE* e-mail and
: : I would appreciate if you wouldn't do this again, Pierre, without consent
: : of Darrien. I've seen you do this before, during that whole Angus
: : episode. I don't think it's right.
:
: Umm... well, at the time of the posting, like I said, I was feeling
: evil. And his Email was not private, to me it was just another cowardly
: attack and I decided to be a bastard and give him all the attention he
: deserves by posting it. I did it because I god damned well felt like it,
: and if anyone thinks they can attack me through Email, kinda like in a
: dark alley, well I don't stand for it. This thing belonged in THIS
: thread, that's what I saw. Right to know, blah blah blah... I'm in J
: school dammit.
netiquette, and a copyright infringement, in undermines the structures
of trust people believe they can count on here. Feeling evil is not an
acceptable excuse.
No one is attacking you in a dark alley with e-mail, you are perfectly
capable of defending yourself in writing to Darrien without dragging
everone else into it, you also have the morally superior choice of just
dropping it in the bit bucket. There is no 'Right to Know'involved in
this.
If you'll observe the latest batch of posts it's quite clear
people are sick of this thread and hope it dies a swift death.
: SO if people don't agree with my posting this, I gave ample warning in
: the header, just don't read it. Sorry, I just don't see eye to eye with
: you guys on this one.
You only see eye to eye with the most clueless of newbies and the worst
of the net.kooks on this one. I know you don't fit into either of those
categories, but this posting of mail is reprehensible.
Some of the items you were replying to were not meant for public
display, and I notice you've conviniently cut out Karen's reaction, the
fact that seeing some of that stuff hurt her to the point where she
doesn't feel comfortable around here.
You LOSE on this issue. You lose moral standing and thus lose whatever
position you had in your reply to Darrien. You break a web of trust that
exists between most of us, Darrien for all his obnoxious, cruel, and
offensive posts, is still part of that web, YOU are not.
[snip]
: Deal with it.
No one should have to deal with it. Go back to square one and read every
article in news.announce.newusers (good advice for everyone), and don't
post private e-mail with out getting permission first.
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Angela Reid
: Umm... well, at the time of the posting, like I said, I was feeling
: evil. And his Email was not private, to me it was just another cowardly
: attack and I decided to be a bastard and give him all the attention he
: deserves by posting it. I did it because I god damned well felt like it,
: and if anyone thinks they can attack me through Email, kinda like in a
: dark alley, well I don't stand for it. This thing belonged in THIS
: thread, that's what I saw. Right to know, blah blah blah... I'm in J
: school dammit.
I agree with you, Pierre. If anybody privately flamed me in response to
a public post, I'd move it public. Why should I respect the "privacy" of
somebody who throws a bomb through my cyber window? I wouldn't
publically post a letter of support, a polite disagreement or any personal
message, but flames are different. Anyone who wants to assault me
should have the courage to do it in public. I wouldn't hesitate to
tell the police what an assailant had done or said. I would testify in
court to it. Why should I treat a verbal assault differently?
Angela
C. Hoon
> In article <47qk00$k...@bs33n.staffs.ac.uk>
> cm4b...@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk (Wildfire) writes:
> >
> >So I could say a ton of hurtful things here. But it's *so* pointless.
> >What does it achieve? You get angrier, more hurt, more bitter. It's so
> >utterly totally stupid to do this. So why do it, Darrien?
> "Anger, fear, aggression, the dark side of the Force are they. Once you
> start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you
> it will....." *switches off Yoda mode* Sorry, I couldn't resist.
oh, yoda was *so* smart...
--Carrie
Robert the Faerie
On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, brian keron wrote:
[stuff about me posting the private e-mail b/t me and brian snipped]
> i think that was ragamuffin's (or somebody's..help!), actually... unless
> you're referring to the 300+ line postings under 'Significance of sexual
> abuse', in which case, i don't mind.., mmm, we like that thread. when i
> get time, i'll respond..to that and the 21 other 'postponed messages' i
> have in pine...
>
Yeah, I think he's (she's? who was the original poster of what I snipped..)
mentioning that. I did ask first......I think it's very important to. I
also asked with Dan's message. I was so tempted just to respond by
posting....but that would've been uncool, so I asked him too. I like
sometimes to hear what ohter people have to say about certain subjects.
21 postponed messages? That's it? I stopped using that after
awhile....I leave 'em in the rec.music.tori-amos box.....I have about 90
now. I'll prolly delete quite a few before I'm done (or my newserver
will do it for me, like it did with malkav's posts :( I still have like
seven or so postponed ones, too, from october. heheh, then all the
stuff in my inbox (which will be left private). I'm still slightly
embarassed for posting that private e-mail to Aimee. Oops.
> > (it was polite conversation and we're all sure Brian would've
> > approved)
>
Oh (to whoever said this), I did ask him first. Same with Dan. I didn't
delete anything out, which might've been a good idea, but, hey, 'twas
interestking anyway.
> actually, this isn't entirely relevant, but i think thinking about what
> happens if you post what you're writing mail to someone on a newsgroup
> can actually help.. i mean, one of the big problems in my life was
> duplicity, pretending to be a fundie to not get punished and actually
> listening to U2, Nin, then Tori on the stereo when i got home, so i think
> imagining thinking about being honest enough to post some of my private
> e-mail conversations here actually helps me.
>
Yeah, I can see that....[and thanks again for that e-mail message....I'm
getting around to responding to it....and I ain't quotin' anything! :)]
For me, I just like to hear other people's ideas. Someone just sent me
e-mail on another topic, which might be very good for us all to discuss.
She said it was okay to post it, but I wanted to make sure she absolutely
approves first.....I think it's a difficult subject. :/ (no more on that)
> granted, i won't do that to anyone i can remotely stand being within 20
> feet of me, but that's besides the point.
>
Oh. So you're saying the paragraph above was about replying via e-mail
to fundies or somesuch? (I's confused.....)
> > To be brief, Pierre. Tori would not approve.
>
Oh, that's right, it was Norm.
> well, i'm not so sure.. a personal attack is a personal attack,
> regardless of its source.. i mean, i am not going to sit there and take a
> personal attack. i mean, just because someone mails a personal attack at
> me, doesn't mean i have to sit there and take it in private. but i mean,
> posting someone's intimate confession would be a rather bad thing to do.
Yeah....this is a difficult one. I'm pretty much riding it out, 'cept
where it applies to me (ie posting brian's and dan's e-mails). That's
hard. I don't know what I'd do if someone personally attacked me via
e-mail. Prolly ignore them.
>
> so before i start babbling and frothing, i end this post ...
> `,b (asdk'netch'netch'netch)
'Tis okay. Asdkendte'netch'netch lets you do that to his name? He
always got mad when I misspelled it.....
Robert the Faerie
Aimee Lortskell
: Well, um, see, pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca (JOUR/F94) wrote:
: >Umm... well, at the time of the posting, like I said, I was feeling
: >evil. And his Email was not private, to me it was just another cowardly
: >attack and I decided to be a bastard and give him all the attention he
: >deserves by posting it.
: thrives off this stuff. By posting this, you're only egging him on.
exactly. if he does wander back in here (and he has a habit of doing
that) this will set him off yet again. and i think it's best just to let
this die down and forget he was ever here.
: >I did it because I god damned well felt like it,
: >and if anyone thinks they can attack me through Email, kinda like in a
: >dark alley, well I don't stand for it. This thing belonged in THIS
: >thread, that's what I saw.
: No, it didn't. It was private email. It doesn't belong in any thread
: unless the emailer wants it to be there.
absolutely. no matter what you think, pierre, it WAS private. some of
it was private stuff about ME, and if you haven't noticed, i tend to
prefer to announce intimate details about my life myself.
: >SO if people don't agree with my posting this, I gave ample warning in
: >the header, just don't read it.
: That's NOT the point. It was private email. If everyone posted
: everyone else's private email, there wouldn't be much use for private
: email, would there? Even Darrien has a right to privacy. Would you
: like it if every person you argued with on the phone decided to
: broadcast a recording of your conversations on NPR?
i have posted private e-mail only 3 times. in 2 cases i was asked to, and
in another i did not say who had written it (it was a mindless flame from
a lurker). i think it's very rare for it to be acceptable to post
private mail.
: Not to mention that this thread was dying down. Posting what you did
: only brought it back. If you wanna keep fighting with him, that's
: fine with me, but there's no need to bring the rest of rmt-a back into
: it.
and i think it's pointless to go back and forth with him even in e-mail.
trust me.
: >Deal with it.
: Let it go.
do, please.
Aimee the Whore
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^ we all had delusions in our head ^
^ we all had our minds made up for us ^
^ we had to believe in something ^
^ ...so we did ^
^ - Alanis Morissette ^
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JOUR/F94
: Pierre? As entertaining as it was to read it, and I'm sure the way
: Darrien was acting, he probably deserved it, I don't necessarilly approve
: of posting private email. While you told him you were going to do so, I
: still have problems.
Well, althought I've gone over this before, lemme just say one thing: I
don't seek your aprooval, and if you really don't think private EMail
should be posted, why did you go through with reading it? Hmmm?
: is another, but Darrien's is a total different story. To be brief,
: Pierre. Tori would not approve.
No, Storm, YOU don't aproove. I have NO idea what Tori would say.
Personaly, I don't think Tori would aproove or disaproove of anything,
this had nothing to do with her. She can have an opinion, but it is
ultimatly not her decision.
Listen, the ONLY reason I regret posting is because two other people who
where not involved got caught in the cross-fire. Darrien responded to a
PUBLIC post with a cowardly mail-bomb. His privacy in this matter
deserved no respect. I would not have posted it had he been the least
bit rational, or had we had a real argument going. The truth is, he
didn't want it in here 'cause he had promised he wouldn't post anymore:
he certainly does not give a damn if I did. In fact, accoriding to
someone, he might just be feeling smug that I did. Good for fucking
him. <wavestoDarrien...givesHig...>
For the last time, you may not aproove, that is one thing. But if you
read it, knowing full well it was a private posted Email, well, hey.
What does that tell you? You WANTED to read it. Just like I WANTED to
post it.
ANd "Tori would not aproove" comments are best left to trolls, Storm, you
should know better then that.
=-Pierre...getting kind of tired of this moot point...
JOUR/F94
: If you'll observe the latest batch of posts it's quite clear
: people are sick of this thread and hope it dies a swift death.
Well if you want the thread to die, why would you go ahead and post a
rehashment of everything everyone else said? What do you think, you're
gonna change my mind? It's a moot point. The issue has been resloved
with the people wh I believe it concerned, (not you, BTW), and I am
satisfied with that resolution.
: You only see eye to eye with the most clueless of newbies and the worst
: of the net.kooks on this one. I know you don't fit into either of those
: categories, but this posting of mail is reprehensible.
Yes, I've been made aware... geez... it's like a broken record in here!
: Some of the items you were replying to were not meant for public
: display, and I notice you've conviniently cut out Karen's reaction, the
: fact that seeing some of that stuff hurt her to the point where she
: doesn't feel comfortable around here.
Yes, and if you had bothered to ask me about that, you would know that
Karen and I have been having a <gasp> private Email conversation about
this, because I believe she was one of the few here who's concerns I
actually had to address. I didn't think that THAT particular
conversation belonged in here, so I did it in private... notice it's NOT
POSTED!!!
: You LOSE on this issue. You lose moral standing and thus lose whatever
: position you had in your reply to Darrien.
I have never been accused of overwhelming maturity or of high moral
standing. Frankly, I don't care much for your opinion.
You break a web of trust that
: exists between most of us, Darrien for all his obnoxious, cruel, and
: offensive posts, is still part of that web, YOU are not.
I'll just have to try and live without your trust, Scott... oh, it shall
be ever-so hard, but maybe, just maybe, I can make it through the night.
I felt I had to respond to this one... an urge, I guess...
But just to make it clear to everyone: I made a mistake, those who it
invloved have been apologized to. Let it drop. I expect to be allowed
some moments of weakness, and if you (Addressed to each individual
reading this each time) believe that I should be blacklisted for this or
have it hang over my head, then all I got to say is you know where your
Killfile is if ya don't want to see me anymore. I'm NOT leaving.
All "tori would not aproove" and "We just don't trust you anymore"
just don't have that much impact on me, so if that's what you want to say
to me, save bandwith.
=-Pierre... hoping we can now move on!
Andrew Onifer
wrote:
>Um, and I kinda like "jay the prude".....it's not true, tho.....hmm, how
>'bout jay the prune. Whaddya think, jay?
Yuck.
jay
(who hates prunes)
Daniel Bradshaw
>JOUR/F94 (pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca) wrote:
(Pierre defending his posting of Darrien's letter)
>I agree with you, Pierre. If anybody privately flamed me in response to
>a public post, I'd move it public. Why should I respect the "privacy" of
>somebody who throws a bomb through my cyber window? I wouldn't
>publically post a letter of support, a polite disagreement or any personal
>message, but flames are different. Anyone who wants to assault me
>should have the courage to do it in public. I wouldn't hesitate to
>tell the police what an assailant had done or said. I would testify in
>court to it. Why should I treat a verbal assault differently?
I am forced to disagree with both of you. Private e-mail is simply that,
private, unless public posting of it is acceptable, and that consent has
been expressed, by both the sender and receiver. There is no reason to
make it public otherwise. Making comparisons to actual assault is wrong,
because in cases of law enforcement, there is protocol, the accused has a
chance to defend himself, etc. Darrien threatened no actual harm, only made
insults (if he had threatened harm or damage to Pierre's property or
something similar, I would support informing law enforcement about it, but
it should still not be posted in a public forum without his consent).
Pierre, you made a mistake. Accept it for that.
--
Dan Bradshaw, Suburban Taoist drea...@camelot.bradley.edu
A romantic wears his heart on his sleeve.
A psychotic wears someone else's.
Andrew Onifer
>oh, yoda was *so* smart...
Cool was Yoda. Talks weird he does. My respect he gets for it. Best
looking 900-year-old in the galaxy he is.
jay
(has anyone ever seen that song Y.O.D.A done to YMCA?)
brian keron
>
> So. Anyone gotten their first snowfall of the year yet? (except
> Colorado... they have snow year round. :)
yup... it's snowing here. there's nothing that quite equals walking to school,
freezing, and then dumping about 1 inch of snow off my coat. heh. and actually,
it's starting to remind me of one of my favourite pastimes: cross-country
skiing. (people who stick to trails are such bloody wimps) though it's really
like, cold, you know, it's bucket loads of fun.
*and*, i just realized that i have the warmest room in my apartment, as the
heating unit is actually in my room. so my room is about 4 degrees (that's
9 farenheit thingers for you yankee types) warmer than the rest of the place.
Ahhhhhhhh...
`,b
Roy A. Getting
>>SO if people don't agree with my posting this, I gave ample warning in
>>the header, just don't read it.
>That's NOT the point. It was private email. If everyone posted
>everyone else's private email, there wouldn't be much use for private
>email, would there? Even Darrien has a right to privacy. Would you
>like it if every person you argued with on the phone decided to
>broadcast a recording of your conversations on NPR?
The privacy of e-mail is between sender and recipient. If somebody
bashes me in private, I'd let everyone in on his true nature, too.
Andrew Onifer
r...@airmail.net (Roy A. Getting) wrote:
>The privacy of e-mail is between sender and recipient. If somebody
>bashes me in private, I'd let everyone in on his true nature, too.
>
What is so hard to understand here?! It was PRIVATE email! You can let
everyone in on someone's true nature without quoting an entire PRIVATE email
message on a public forum. Besides which, we already knew about Darrien's
true nature. We didn't NEED clued in, thank you very much. And the privacy
of this email message, as far as I know, wasn't between sender and recipient.
It was between recipient and recipient. Darrien never gave persmission to
let his email go public.
>
>Kestrel
>The Fairly Decent Dragon
jay
(the fairly pissed off human)
& I tried to tell my life story to the rain, &
& but it just ran into the sewer... &
& Andrew J. Onifer III ---> a...@po.cwru.edu &
& http://b61725.student.cwru.edu/ &
& PGP Key on WWW page &
jenny finkel
>
>> Thank you, MTB. I'll use your command every time I get writer's block.
>> But that still does not remove our predicament that we are trapped in
>> someone's imagination, again. I suggest you and Jenny have lunch
>> sometime and talk about this. I just hope you don't get mad one day and
>> suddenly rmta disappears from all our screens!
>
>No can do, d00d. If we meet, we'll start arguing over feminism or
>something and get really angry and toss each other out of our respective
>worlds. That could have serious repercussions on the rest of rmt-a.
hey, now i could never kick someone (intelligent) that i could have a
good argument with out of my world. besides life gets pretty borimg when
you agree with everyone on everyhting, now doesnt it?
JENNY
jenny finkel
darrien snipped]
i feel the need to stick up for my twinkie here especially since everyone
else seems to be against him on htis issue. i guess i dont have much of
a conscience on that stuff but i really didnt see anythinf wrong with wat
he did (and yes i know it was a PRIVATE email so please dont follow up to
me telling me so). i mean there wasnt anything personal in it and i
guess on the internet with emailing people you have to take chances.
obviously ive written peopel stuff that i dont want them posting but its
a chance i take. plus all darriens email was was flame. darrien tryed
to humiliate pierre thro email so pierre got his revenge on the
newsgroup. i guess i just wanted to put in my own $0.02.
JENNY
Midnight Tree Bandit
> Umm... well, at the time of the posting, like I said, I was feeling
> evil. And his Email was not private, to me it was just another cowardly
> attack and I decided to be a bastard and give him all the attention he
> dark alley, well I don't stand for it. This thing belonged in THIS
> school dammit.
>
I am going to be uncharacteristically blunt, Pierre:
You will be a good journalist if this is any indication, for you have
shown just how callous you can be concerning who may be hurt by what you
decide to post. In point of fact, the above response to Karen paints you
as being not a hell of a lot better than Darrien himself in your regard
for who might get hurt. The only difference is that he did it on
purpose and is not apologetic, while you are just not apologetic. Saying
"I gave warning" don't cut it. There is a difference between
journalistic ethics and what is acceptble nettiquette. While you may not
have violated journalistic ethics, you have certainly crossed the line of
reasonable nettiquette.
I repeat for the umpteenth time: trolls do not deserve a response, and
this episode is a prime illustration of why not.
> I actually thought the post hadn't gone through, it's a dead.article
> file... I dunno... I wasn't gonna come back and try to repost it, but
> hey, what's done is done, and I am not repentant.
You should be. To be blunt again: you made a mistake. Admit it.
> Deal with it.
After you, sir.
Andrew Onifer
>Norman Buchwald (jbuc...@huey.csun.edu) wrote:
>Well, althought I've gone over this before, lemme just say one thing: I
>don't seek your aprooval, and if you really don't think private EMail
>should be posted, why did you go through with reading it? Hmmm?
Hey, Pierre. *I* DIDN'T read it (well, past the this is email stuff).
It's none of MY business. It's none of ANYONE'S business but you and
Darrien's. Don't you get it??
>Listen, the ONLY reason I regret posting is because two other people who
>where not involved got caught in the cross-fire. Darrien responded to a
>PUBLIC post with a cowardly mail-bomb. His privacy in this matter
>deserved no respect.
Yes, it does! Don't you fucking get it??? It was PRIVATE email (note
the emphasis on the PRIVATE)! Whether he did it out of cowardice or
not is irrelevant. It was private. You can't just go deciding what
deserves to be private on a whim!
>I would not have posted it had he been the least
>bit rational, or had we had a real argument going. The truth is, he
>didn't want it in here 'cause he had promised he wouldn't post anymore:
>he certainly does not give a damn if I did.
Did he tell you that?
>In fact, accoriding to
>someone, he might just be feeling smug that I did. Good for fucking
>him. <wavestoDarrien...givesHig...>
Did he say you could post it here?
>For the last time, you may not aproove, that is one thing. But if you
>read it, knowing full well it was a private posted Email, well, hey.
>What does that tell you? You WANTED to read it. Just like I WANTED to
>post it.
Oh, well that makes it right, of course.
>=-Pierre...getting kind of tired of this moot point...
What moot point? You violated someone's privacy. That's a pretty big
fucking deal, Pierre.
jay
(If I'd emailed this to you, would you have posted it anyway?)
Roy A. Getting
>What is so hard to understand here?! It was PRIVATE email! You can let
Nothing is difficult to understand. I merely disagree with your
conclusions.
>everyone in on someone's true nature without quoting an entire PRIVATE email
>message on a public forum. Besides which, we already knew about Darrien's
>true nature. We didn't NEED clued in, thank you very much. And the privacy
>of this email message, as far as I know, wasn't between sender and recipient.
> It was between recipient and recipient. Darrien never gave persmission to
>let his email go public.
Darrien: Sender
Pierre: Recipient
Peter Caira
> > So. Anyone gotten their first snowfall of the year yet? (except
> > Colorado... they have snow year round. :)
It snowed a few times a week ago, but it didn't stay until yesterday.
Ahhh....snow is so beautiful.....I discovered (as well as aimee) that
there are certain Tori songs that go quite well with falling snow. I'd
like to add flying dutchman to that list...
Peter Caira
ca...@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
Scott Kenney
But you forget an extremely important point. You own your words in the
full legal sense. If it's posted here you've given implicit permission
for them to copied, used, etc. Words mailed privately are still the
property of the sender, and permission is needed before you can make
them public.
I'll reiterate my previous points a little more generally, there is an
implicit trust involved when emailing some one and an assumption that
your words will remain private unless both parties decide otherwise.
Would you like tapes of your private arguments broadcast on the radio?
The analogy of assault has been used here a few times, it really doesn't
hold up in the realm of words. Bad words and insults are not the
equivalent of an assault in real life, they are the equivalent of bad
words and insults.
I had(have?) the fatuous belief that I can say things in e-mail to most
every member of this group, secure that even if we became nasty towards
each other, those things would not be dragged out in public. I've had
faith enough (and there a plenty of others) in the honor of the people
here to confess intensely personal things. I'd really hate to have to
become wary of my words.
--
scott kenney*sa...@chardos.connix.com*freebsd hacker*toriphile*SOON
Tevis Stites-Robertson
: >
: > So. Anyone gotten their first snowfall of the year yet? (except
actually, i've gotten the first three snowfalls of the year. :)
(though none of them lasted for more than a day)
winter is just fucking great. :)
--
"Come away, O human child! | "trust not the world, men lie"
To the woods and waters wild, | -sir gawain
With a fairy hand in hand,
For the worlds more full of weeping than you can understand." -w.b.yeats
Aimee Lortskell
: >That's NOT the point. It was private email. If everyone posted
: >everyone else's private email, there wouldn't be much use for private
: >email, would there? Even Darrien has a right to privacy. Would you
: >like it if every person you argued with on the phone decided to
: >broadcast a recording of your conversations on NPR?
: The privacy of e-mail is between sender and recipient.
exactly. and in this case there wasn't an agreement between them that it
should be posted. pierre posted it without permission and that is simply
wrong.
: If somebody
: bashes me in private, I'd let everyone in on his true nature, too.
crap. darrien sent a childish response which should have been ignored.
and i'd like to point out that there was some personal information about
me in it which i hadn't wanted posted. i believe that's a factor as well.
Aimee the Whore
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:: maybe it's a part of me ::
:: you took it to a place i hoped it would never go ::
:: and maybe that fucked me up ::
:: much more than you'll ever know ::
:: - Trent Reznor ::
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Andrew Onifer
r...@airmail.net (Roy A. Getting) wrote:
>And the privacy
>>of this email message, as far as I know, wasn't between sender and
recipient.
>> It was between recipient and recipient. Darrien never gave persmission to
>>let his email go public.
>
>Darrien: Sender
>Pierre: Recipient
>
Permission to let it go public: No one
Decision to post private email to public: Pierre
jay