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Will Dockery
Feb 19, 2016, 8:35:26 AM2/19/16
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RichL wrote:
<snipped for focus>
> Temporary's
> writing
> is provocative (perhaps as
> much so as Pickering's), and he has admitted that perhaps he shouldn't have
> hit Pickering so hard.
That much settled, perhaps the time has arrived that "cooler heads can prevail", all concerned can man up, shake hands, and lets begin to approach these Bob Dylan topics of interest with some dignity, integrity, and intelligence?
The fact is that Stephan Pickering has over 40 years of unique perspectives on the life and art of Bob Dylan, and I'm perplexed that so many posters here give off such (typical Usenet) display of shallow, willfully ignorant self-portrayals as a gang of jeering philistines?
We can all do better than that, I know we can do better than that.
Or... can we?
<snipped for focus>
> Temporary's
> writing
> is provocative (perhaps as
> much so as Pickering's), and he has admitted that perhaps he shouldn't have
> hit Pickering so hard.
That much settled, perhaps the time has arrived that "cooler heads can prevail", all concerned can man up, shake hands, and lets begin to approach these Bob Dylan topics of interest with some dignity, integrity, and intelligence?
The fact is that Stephan Pickering has over 40 years of unique perspectives on the life and art of Bob Dylan, and I'm perplexed that so many posters here give off such (typical Usenet) display of shallow, willfully ignorant self-portrayals as a gang of jeering philistines?
We can all do better than that, I know we can do better than that.
Or... can we?
Just Kidding
Feb 19, 2016, 9:05:56 AM2/19/16
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Will Dockery
Feb 19, 2016, 9:09:11 AM2/19/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 9:05:56 AM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
None of us are on trial here, my friend.
All we have to do is try, try, try.
:)
All we have to do is try, try, try.
:)
Just Kidding
Feb 19, 2016, 12:00:56 PM2/19/16
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Will Dockery
Feb 19, 2016, 12:32:19 PM2/19/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 12:00:56 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
>
> I think the rest of us are too shallow and ignorant to try.
A good start for you would be to stop putting words in the mouths of the rest of us/pretending to speak for the group.
>
> I think the rest of us are too shallow and ignorant to try.
Fair enough?
:)
Just Kidding
Feb 19, 2016, 1:55:06 PM2/19/16
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of the members of the group.
Will Dockery
Feb 19, 2016, 2:00:17 PM2/19/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 1:55:06 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
>
> stop making generalized (mis)characterizations
Exactly, that's how this whole mess began in the first place, the attacks against Bob Dylan scholar Stephan Pickering.
Lest we forget.
:)
>
> stop making generalized (mis)characterizations
Exactly, that's how this whole mess began in the first place, the attacks against Bob Dylan scholar Stephan Pickering.
Lest we forget.
:)
Just Kidding
Feb 19, 2016, 10:57:11 PM2/19/16
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mischaracterized your hero. And please explain why we haven't heard
you once (to my knowledge) criticize your hero for his baseless and
unfounded accusations of anti-semitism.
Will Dockery
Feb 20, 2016, 2:11:38 AM2/20/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 10:57:11 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
>
> your hero
> your hero
I can't really say I have "heroes" any more, or almost ever, really.
One of the closest to being a hero of mine, Bob Dylan, specifically advised me and my generation to NOT have heroes...
To not follow leaders, and watch the parking meters.
Bob Dylan said we don't need another hero because we don't really need a weatherman (or hero) to know which way the wind blows.
:)
>
> your hero
> your hero
I can't really say I have "heroes" any more, or almost ever, really.
One of the closest to being a hero of mine, Bob Dylan, specifically advised me and my generation to NOT have heroes...
To not follow leaders, and watch the parking meters.
Bob Dylan said we don't need another hero because we don't really need a weatherman (or hero) to know which way the wind blows.
:)
Will Dockery
Feb 20, 2016, 6:11:15 AM2/20/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 10:57:11 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
>
> Before we forget
That is part of the point, my friend... do we forget, do we treat the past horrors as all just some cosmic joke, that we as modern people "had nothing to do with"?
Before we forget or Never Forget aka Never Again?
Less than 100 years before the holocaust... it happened right here, under a banner that proclaimed we had... "God On Our Side":
On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:
<snipped for focus>
> Indeed, teaching science to Ojibwe and Lakota youth has been a real late life treat for this reinventive soul. Beats the pants off the business game. Better people, better agenda, honest work. And since I am still getting up to speed on the life and culture of my young charges, some of those links may prove useful. Thank you.
And thank God there's still youth left to teach where you are, J.W.
I've been walking the River Walk down here on the Chattahoochee, once the center of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation... now, dark, quiet and peaceful on both sides, a stroll that hides the horific past of genocide and "removal", here's the history collected by Melissa Hargett that I've begun to serialize in alt.native:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.native/iI_yoWt1KfQ/Lz-NFEf--TkJ
Muscogee Creek Indian History found and posted by Melissa Hargett, reposted here for information, archival, historical purposes.
In regard to the Creek Indian Villages in and around Columbus, Ga
Relative peace reigned between whites and Native Americans in the early 1820's. A notable event in the Fort Benning region occurred when the aging Frenchman and Revolutionary War hero, Marquis de LaFayette, journeyed down the Federal Road in March 1825 on his triumphant tour of the country.
LaFayette was one of the last, high-ranking officers of the Revolutionary War still alive.LaFayette's entourage made its first stop on Fort Benning land at a trading post run by an American fur trader. The sky was just clearing after a spring storm when LaFayette's carriage, guarded by the Georgia militia, arrived. Auguste Levasseur, LaFayette's secretary, later wrote that there were two male Indians, "remarkable for their beauty and form," sitting near the doorway of the trading post. The youngest of the pair spoke impeccable English. His name was Hambly (or Hamley), and he was the son of Creek and white parents.
Hambly told the visitors that he had left Indian territory when he was younger to be educated in the United States, but returned to Indian lands because he preferred the native way of life. He had apparently married several Creek women. Levasseur and another man, known only as George, who were traveling with LaFayette carried on a cordial conversation with Hambly who invited them (and apparently the rest of the caravan) to visit his nearby home. There he demonstrated Indian dances for the visitors. Levasseur reciprocated by performing French dances.
Researcher John Metcalf recently pinpointed the probable location of the Hambly farm in an eastern quadrant of Fort Benning. In a report on preliminary investigations at the site, archeologists Christopher Goodwin and Eric Poplin state there were apparent remains of a fireplace and a group of sandstone boulders perhaps used as footing stones for a cabin.
LaFayette and his caravan traveled on to the banks of the Chattahoochee River where they encountered a large delegation of Creeks. At the Kasita crossing, the elderly Frenchman climbed upon a barge. Then young Indian men, first wading, then swimming, dragged the barge across the river. On the other side, LaFayette climbed into a small carriage, and the Indians, using two long ropes, pulled the carriage up the steep slope.
Upon his arrival at Fort Mitchell, an elaborate welcoming ceremony unfolded. There were laudatory speeches in the Frenchman's honor by various dignitaries on the parade ground. The Creek chief, Little Prince, dazzled the crowd with a moving oration. He expressed joy at being able to welcome the honored war hero. After his speech, Little Prince explained to the visitors the lacrosse-type game sometimes called the "little brother of war." Indians then put on a demonstration game. It was one of the last times that local Native Americans and white settlers shared friendly relations.
(To be Continued)
Additional commentary by Kawita Native of Phenix City, Alabama:
"Kawita Town, Cowita Town and other variations of spelling are all in reference to the capital of the Creek Nation which was the original KVWETV TOWN and part of the original Five Civilized Tribes. There were two locations, both located just below where the whitewater rapids are now which were known as Kawita Falls by early explorers and both were located on the Phenix City, Alabama side of the river. Early Spanish, French and English maps all show the great number of towns and villages located in this area. It is a shame that our local leaders refuse to work to preserve our Native American history like the Abercrombie mounds which are located off Brickyard Road and slowly washing away with each rain..."
Thanks for the information and feedback, Kawita Native.
Continuing with the material gathered by Melissa Hargett, here is Part Two...
Unrest had been smoldering for some months. Earlier in the year, the Creek chiefs gathered at the central Georgia community of Indian Springs to meet with Georgia government representatives. They negotiated at a tavern owned by William McIntosh, one of the five great chiefs of the Creek nation. McIntosh, whose father was a Scot and mother a Creek, was chief of the village of Kawita on the Alabama side of the river, not far from Fort Benning's boundaries.
McIntosh was a distinguished warrior, but his choice of foes did not endear him to some Native Americans. He had fought beside Andrew Jackson in the 1814 Battle of Horseshoe Bend against the Upper Creeks, so there was probably already mistrust between him and some of the Creeks. McIntosh had also fought with American forces against the Seminoles in Florida
More damaging to his reputation was the rumor that he was susceptible to
being bribed by white officials. He was also suspect because he maintained cozy relations with the Georgia governor, George McIntosh Troup, his first cousin.
McIntosh signed his own death warrant when he put his name on the Second Treaty of Indian Springs on May 1, 1825, surrendering all remaining claims the Creeks had to Georgia land. The treaty relinquished Native American rights to land from the Flint River to the Chattahoochee River, including the area now occupied by Fort Benning and the city of Columbus. Reportedly, McIntosh accepted thousands of dollars in return for his signature. Outraged Upper Creek leaders angrily withdrew from the negotiations, branding McIntosh a traitor and the treaty a fraud.
The Creek council had earlier decreed that anyone who sold Creek lands without unanimous consent from the council would be sentenced to death. McIntosh knew he was in danger and sought protection from Georgia officials. No one, however, could save him from the fury of his kinsmen.
Soon after the signing of the detested treaty, Upper Creek warriors invaded McIntosh's plantation, near present day Carrollton, Georgia. They set his house on fire, and when McIntosh ran from the blaze, shot and stabbed him to death.
Violence spread as more settlers began moving onto land many Creeks still considered theirs. The Indians responded with raids on white settlements. The United States government ordered the 4th Infantry Regiment to Fort Mitchell to quell the unrest. The earlier fort had fallen into disrepair, and a new one was built.
The second Fort Mitchell was protected by wooden picket fences about 12 feet tall built in a square. Soldiers built blockhouses on two corners of the square where hiding sharpshooters could train their rifles on all approaches to the fort.
(To be continued)
Never forget... before we forget.
>
> Before we forget
That is part of the point, my friend... do we forget, do we treat the past horrors as all just some cosmic joke, that we as modern people "had nothing to do with"?
Before we forget or Never Forget aka Never Again?
Less than 100 years before the holocaust... it happened right here, under a banner that proclaimed we had... "God On Our Side":
On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:
<snipped for focus>
> Indeed, teaching science to Ojibwe and Lakota youth has been a real late life treat for this reinventive soul. Beats the pants off the business game. Better people, better agenda, honest work. And since I am still getting up to speed on the life and culture of my young charges, some of those links may prove useful. Thank you.
And thank God there's still youth left to teach where you are, J.W.
I've been walking the River Walk down here on the Chattahoochee, once the center of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation... now, dark, quiet and peaceful on both sides, a stroll that hides the horific past of genocide and "removal", here's the history collected by Melissa Hargett that I've begun to serialize in alt.native:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.native/iI_yoWt1KfQ/Lz-NFEf--TkJ
Muscogee Creek Indian History found and posted by Melissa Hargett, reposted here for information, archival, historical purposes.
In regard to the Creek Indian Villages in and around Columbus, Ga
Relative peace reigned between whites and Native Americans in the early 1820's. A notable event in the Fort Benning region occurred when the aging Frenchman and Revolutionary War hero, Marquis de LaFayette, journeyed down the Federal Road in March 1825 on his triumphant tour of the country.
LaFayette was one of the last, high-ranking officers of the Revolutionary War still alive.LaFayette's entourage made its first stop on Fort Benning land at a trading post run by an American fur trader. The sky was just clearing after a spring storm when LaFayette's carriage, guarded by the Georgia militia, arrived. Auguste Levasseur, LaFayette's secretary, later wrote that there were two male Indians, "remarkable for their beauty and form," sitting near the doorway of the trading post. The youngest of the pair spoke impeccable English. His name was Hambly (or Hamley), and he was the son of Creek and white parents.
Hambly told the visitors that he had left Indian territory when he was younger to be educated in the United States, but returned to Indian lands because he preferred the native way of life. He had apparently married several Creek women. Levasseur and another man, known only as George, who were traveling with LaFayette carried on a cordial conversation with Hambly who invited them (and apparently the rest of the caravan) to visit his nearby home. There he demonstrated Indian dances for the visitors. Levasseur reciprocated by performing French dances.
Researcher John Metcalf recently pinpointed the probable location of the Hambly farm in an eastern quadrant of Fort Benning. In a report on preliminary investigations at the site, archeologists Christopher Goodwin and Eric Poplin state there were apparent remains of a fireplace and a group of sandstone boulders perhaps used as footing stones for a cabin.
LaFayette and his caravan traveled on to the banks of the Chattahoochee River where they encountered a large delegation of Creeks. At the Kasita crossing, the elderly Frenchman climbed upon a barge. Then young Indian men, first wading, then swimming, dragged the barge across the river. On the other side, LaFayette climbed into a small carriage, and the Indians, using two long ropes, pulled the carriage up the steep slope.
Upon his arrival at Fort Mitchell, an elaborate welcoming ceremony unfolded. There were laudatory speeches in the Frenchman's honor by various dignitaries on the parade ground. The Creek chief, Little Prince, dazzled the crowd with a moving oration. He expressed joy at being able to welcome the honored war hero. After his speech, Little Prince explained to the visitors the lacrosse-type game sometimes called the "little brother of war." Indians then put on a demonstration game. It was one of the last times that local Native Americans and white settlers shared friendly relations.
(To be Continued)
Additional commentary by Kawita Native of Phenix City, Alabama:
"Kawita Town, Cowita Town and other variations of spelling are all in reference to the capital of the Creek Nation which was the original KVWETV TOWN and part of the original Five Civilized Tribes. There were two locations, both located just below where the whitewater rapids are now which were known as Kawita Falls by early explorers and both were located on the Phenix City, Alabama side of the river. Early Spanish, French and English maps all show the great number of towns and villages located in this area. It is a shame that our local leaders refuse to work to preserve our Native American history like the Abercrombie mounds which are located off Brickyard Road and slowly washing away with each rain..."
Thanks for the information and feedback, Kawita Native.
Continuing with the material gathered by Melissa Hargett, here is Part Two...
Unrest had been smoldering for some months. Earlier in the year, the Creek chiefs gathered at the central Georgia community of Indian Springs to meet with Georgia government representatives. They negotiated at a tavern owned by William McIntosh, one of the five great chiefs of the Creek nation. McIntosh, whose father was a Scot and mother a Creek, was chief of the village of Kawita on the Alabama side of the river, not far from Fort Benning's boundaries.
McIntosh was a distinguished warrior, but his choice of foes did not endear him to some Native Americans. He had fought beside Andrew Jackson in the 1814 Battle of Horseshoe Bend against the Upper Creeks, so there was probably already mistrust between him and some of the Creeks. McIntosh had also fought with American forces against the Seminoles in Florida
More damaging to his reputation was the rumor that he was susceptible to
being bribed by white officials. He was also suspect because he maintained cozy relations with the Georgia governor, George McIntosh Troup, his first cousin.
McIntosh signed his own death warrant when he put his name on the Second Treaty of Indian Springs on May 1, 1825, surrendering all remaining claims the Creeks had to Georgia land. The treaty relinquished Native American rights to land from the Flint River to the Chattahoochee River, including the area now occupied by Fort Benning and the city of Columbus. Reportedly, McIntosh accepted thousands of dollars in return for his signature. Outraged Upper Creek leaders angrily withdrew from the negotiations, branding McIntosh a traitor and the treaty a fraud.
The Creek council had earlier decreed that anyone who sold Creek lands without unanimous consent from the council would be sentenced to death. McIntosh knew he was in danger and sought protection from Georgia officials. No one, however, could save him from the fury of his kinsmen.
Soon after the signing of the detested treaty, Upper Creek warriors invaded McIntosh's plantation, near present day Carrollton, Georgia. They set his house on fire, and when McIntosh ran from the blaze, shot and stabbed him to death.
Violence spread as more settlers began moving onto land many Creeks still considered theirs. The Indians responded with raids on white settlements. The United States government ordered the 4th Infantry Regiment to Fort Mitchell to quell the unrest. The earlier fort had fallen into disrepair, and a new one was built.
The second Fort Mitchell was protected by wooden picket fences about 12 feet tall built in a square. Soldiers built blockhouses on two corners of the square where hiding sharpshooters could train their rifles on all approaches to the fort.
(To be continued)
Never forget... before we forget.
Will Dockery
Feb 20, 2016, 1:52:12 PM2/20/16
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I once had an idea, or should I say, the idea had me...
<...crickets chirping...>
I take it that the silence here means...
"No"?
:)
I take it that the silence here means...
"No"?
:)
Just Walkin'
Feb 20, 2016, 8:07:28 PM2/20/16
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BobbyM
Feb 20, 2016, 8:22:59 PM2/20/16
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On 19-Feb-16 10:35 PM, Will Dockery wrote:
> The fact is that Stephan Pickering has over 40 years of unique
> perspectives on the life and art of Bob Dylan
That's one way to say it.
> The fact is that Stephan Pickering has over 40 years of unique
> perspectives on the life and art of Bob Dylan
Will Dockery
Feb 20, 2016, 11:22:50 PM2/20/16
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"Everyone who cares is going up the castle stairs, but I'm not up in the castle... oh, honey... my voice is really warm, it's just that it ain't got no form, and it's just like a dead man's last pistol shot, baby..." -Bob Dylan
Now THAT is what rec.music.dylan fans should be posting about, not trollish flame posts and attempts to drive serious Dylan scholars from the group.
:)
Willie
Feb 20, 2016, 11:48:32 PM2/20/16
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Will Dockery
Feb 20, 2016, 11:53:16 PM2/20/16
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Still, there's always been a lot for me to love in that old "She's Your Lover Now" track, so, late night, as the night plays tricks while the band is trying to be so... quiet.
Willie
Feb 21, 2016, 12:06:16 AM2/21/16
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On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 11:53:16 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Still, there's always been a lot for me to love in that old "She's Your Lover Now" track, so, late night, as the night plays tricks while the band is trying to be so... quiet.
Yeah, it's a cool song. Didn't it surface relatively recently (at least, here)? Like a couple of years ago.
> Still, there's always been a lot for me to love in that old "She's Your Lover Now" track, so, late night, as the night plays tricks while the band is trying to be so... quiet.
khematite
Feb 21, 2016, 1:18:40 AM2/21/16
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https://theamazingkornyfonelabel.wordpress.com/tag/now-your-mouth-cries-wolf/
Will Dockery
Feb 21, 2016, 3:13:42 AM2/21/16
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"Live at Albert Hall" (which it seems was not really Albert Hall at all?)
Two albums that had tracks like the recent "Cutting Edge" on one side, and folkie early stuff on the flip side, one of them included "She's Your Lover Now", among other wonders.
Then, by spring of 1976, bootlegs of the Rolling Thunder Revue were coming out, I got a couple of them and those were just amazing stuff for me, since travelling to any city to see the actual show was utterly impossible for me.
Golden Years, indeed.
:)
Will Dockery
Feb 21, 2016, 3:34:33 AM2/21/16
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Ah... here's glimpse of that Wonder Wart Hog label I mentioned:
https://theamazingkornyfonelabel.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/dylan-now-your-mouth-cries.jpg
https://theamazingkornyfonelabel.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/dylan-now-your-mouth-cries.jpg
Will Dockery
Feb 21, 2016, 4:29:35 PM2/21/16
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For those among us who missed it the first time around:
That's my stance as of now... trolls with grudges notwithstanding.
:)
:)
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Stephan Pickering
Feb 27, 2016, 4:14:51 PM2/27/16
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Shalom & Boker tov...the careful reader will note that the Liar has re-surfaced under a new alias, with the same speech patterns and sentences structure.
Re: 'She's Your Lover Now'...remember, he wrote The Castle...not Kafka's, but the one in Horrorwood where Lisa Law got some incredible photos and memories... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECTa new alias...
Re: 'She's Your Lover Now'...remember, he wrote The Castle...not Kafka's, but the one in Horrorwood where Lisa Law got some incredible photos and memories... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECTa new alias...
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Will Dockery
Feb 28, 2016, 4:52:17 AM2/28/16
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On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 4:13:12 AM UTC-5, 1941052...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 19, 2016, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >A fresh start for rec.music.dylan?
>
> Good idea.
Great, okay, then read my original post, this is what I have in mind:
=======================================================
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/KXySzNFdAms/Vy1RZxboBQAJ
RichL wrote:
<snipped for focus>
> Temporary's
> writing
> is provocative (perhaps as
> much so as Pickering's), and he has admitted that perhaps he shouldn't have
> hit Pickering so hard.
That much settled, perhaps the time has arrived that "cooler heads can prevail", all concerned can man up, shake hands, and lets begin to approach these Bob Dylan topics of interest with some dignity, integrity, and intelligence?
The fact is that Stephan Pickering has over 40 years of unique perspectives on the life and art of Bob Dylan, and I'm perplexed that so many posters here give off such (typical Usenet) display of shallow, willfully ignorant self-portrayals as a gang of jeering philistines?
We can all do better than that, I know we can do better than that.
Or... can we?
================================================
And get back with me by and by.
:D
> On Friday, February 19, 2016, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >A fresh start for rec.music.dylan?
>
> Good idea.
Great, okay, then read my original post, this is what I have in mind:
=======================================================
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/KXySzNFdAms/Vy1RZxboBQAJ
RichL wrote:
<snipped for focus>
> Temporary's
> writing
> is provocative (perhaps as
> much so as Pickering's), and he has admitted that perhaps he shouldn't have
> hit Pickering so hard.
That much settled, perhaps the time has arrived that "cooler heads can prevail", all concerned can man up, shake hands, and lets begin to approach these Bob Dylan topics of interest with some dignity, integrity, and intelligence?
The fact is that Stephan Pickering has over 40 years of unique perspectives on the life and art of Bob Dylan, and I'm perplexed that so many posters here give off such (typical Usenet) display of shallow, willfully ignorant self-portrayals as a gang of jeering philistines?
We can all do better than that, I know we can do better than that.
Or... can we?
And get back with me by and by.
:D
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Will Dockery
Feb 28, 2016, 5:30:59 AM2/28/16
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On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 5:25:29 AM UTC-5, 1941052...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >A lapdog would respond.
He's barking at you... the troll.
:)
>
> >A lapdog would respond.
He's barking at you... the troll.
:)
1941052...@gmail.com
Feb 28, 2016, 6:17:51 AM2/28/16
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A lapdog would respond. Proud of his ignorance. Parading.
BobbyM
Feb 28, 2016, 7:19:08 AM2/28/16
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On 28-Feb-16 6:52 PM, Will Dockery wrote:
> The fact is that Stephan Pickering has over 40 years of unique
> perspectives on the life and art of Bob Dylan, and I'm perplexed that
> so many posters here give off such (typical Usenet) display of
> shallow, willfully ignorant self-portrayals as a gang of jeering
> philistines?
If you'll look at what he's written over the years (in chronological
> The fact is that Stephan Pickering has over 40 years of unique
> perspectives on the life and art of Bob Dylan, and I'm perplexed that
> so many posters here give off such (typical Usenet) display of
> shallow, willfully ignorant self-portrayals as a gang of jeering
> philistines?
order), you'll easily see his progression from fairly sane to the state
that he's in today.
RichL
Feb 28, 2016, 4:24:35 PM2/28/16
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"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nauoe3$r2j$1...@dont-email.me...
I see Dan is still slinging disingenuous bullshit.
He's "perplexed"? Despite post after post in which Pickering dismisses
anyone who disagrees with him as anti-semites, equates Christians with
Nazis, and exudes an attitude of superiority to anyone in the group that
doesn't kiss his ass?
Honestly, if Pickering didn't exhibit those attitudes, I wouldn't have
killfiled him (or Dan either, for that matter).
news:nauoe3$r2j$1...@dont-email.me...
He's "perplexed"? Despite post after post in which Pickering dismisses
anyone who disagrees with him as anti-semites, equates Christians with
Nazis, and exudes an attitude of superiority to anyone in the group that
doesn't kiss his ass?
Honestly, if Pickering didn't exhibit those attitudes, I wouldn't have
killfiled him (or Dan either, for that matter).
Will Dockery
Feb 28, 2016, 4:45:44 PM2/28/16
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Since "Rich L." says he has me killfiled, perhaps someone else can clue me in?
:)
Stephan Pickering
Feb 28, 2016, 5:39:36 PM2/28/16
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There are antisemites here I have, without hesitation, named. However, while nationalsozialismus was an outright natz'ri organisation, its paradigm deriving from the 'born-again' natz'rim of the vatican (technologising genocide with the enthusiastic participation of IBM) -- I do not see myself, as a scholar familiar with, and conversant in, the Sho'ah literature, synonymising 'christians with nazis'.
All 'nazis' were, of course, 'born-again' natz'rim, and nationalsozialismus is a natz'ri belief system which saw its 'rapture' in the extermination centres.
While natz'rut derives from a late 2/early 3 century CE revelatory, Graeco-Roman-Egyptian thanatos cult (they did not then, nor now, ever have a bris/covenant), one cannot say all natz'rim are nationalsozialisten. They are profoundly dysfunctional in their delusions, to be sure, but I have met many who are, quite honestly, ashamed of their 'faith'.
And so. You make a fetish of lying, then hurl spitballs of rhetoric at me...likely because I am willing to wager, invasive surgery of skull would reveal brain tissue warped in lesions.
Will Dockery
Feb 28, 2016, 6:05:19 PM2/28/16
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I find it amusing how these pretend killfiles always manage to leak enough for the person claiming to have them to somehow see that his target is writing, anyhow.
Just an amusing aside to this ongoing persecution attempt on you.
Just Kidding
Feb 28, 2016, 6:55:06 PM2/28/16
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named Wereo, are you?
Just Kidding
Feb 28, 2016, 6:55:41 PM2/28/16
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>> Torah ????? Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
>> ????? ??? ?? ??????
>>
>> THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
>
>And then, to top it off, this "Rich L" fellow then claims that he has you and "Dan" killfiled.
>
>I find it amusing how these pretend killfiles always manage to leak enough for the person claiming to have them to somehow see that his target is writing, anyhow.
>
>Just an amusing aside to this ongoing persecution attempt on you.
Have you lost your mind?
>> THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
>
>And then, to top it off, this "Rich L" fellow then claims that he has you and "Dan" killfiled.
>
>I find it amusing how these pretend killfiles always manage to leak enough for the person claiming to have them to somehow see that his target is writing, anyhow.
>
>Just an amusing aside to this ongoing persecution attempt on you.
Will Dockery
Feb 28, 2016, 7:13:17 PM2/28/16
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On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:55:41 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
>
> Have you lost your mind?
Seems like I still have it.
>
> Have you lost your mind?
I do have a new song though, have a listen if you have time:
Posted a new song: "Last Dream Today" / Will Dockery & Brian Mallard http://www.reverbnation.com/q/6h4wzu
:)
Stephan Pickering
Feb 28, 2016, 8:20:41 PM2/28/16
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On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 3:55:41 PM UTC-8, Just Kidding wrote:
ing persecution attempt on you.
>
> Have you lost your mind?
Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
ing persecution attempt on you.
>
> Have you lost your mind?
Just Walkin'
Feb 28, 2016, 9:37:57 PM2/28/16
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On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:20:41 PM UTC-6, Stephan Pickering wrote:
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 3:55:41 PM UTC-8, Just Kidding wrote:
> ing persecution attempt on you.
> >
> > Have you lost your mind?
>
> Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
>
Shalom, erev tov & גרעעטינגס
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 3:55:41 PM UTC-8, Just Kidding wrote:
> ing persecution attempt on you.
> >
> > Have you lost your mind?
>
> Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
>
Chill man. Don't be a nudnik. You have a mission. People without one are jealous. Don't you know that?
לאָזן אים אַליין. ער איז נאָר אַ סטשמוקק.
Stephan Pickering
Feb 28, 2016, 10:16:01 PM2/28/16
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Kol tuv, Stephan
Stephan Pickering
Feb 28, 2016, 10:19:07 PM2/28/16
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RichL
Feb 28, 2016, 10:19:19 PM2/28/16
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"Just Kidding" <JustK...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:j727dbd44l5pfii5d...@4ax.com...
Sorry about the "Dan". I knew a guy named Dan Dockery who was from Georgia.
I apologize to Dan; he's nothing like Will.
As for the "pretend killfiles", surely even Will can recognize that I can
see his and Pickering's words through the responses of others.
<forehead slap>
news:j727dbd44l5pfii5d...@4ax.com...
I apologize to Dan; he's nothing like Will.
As for the "pretend killfiles", surely even Will can recognize that I can
see his and Pickering's words through the responses of others.
<forehead slap>
Stephan Pickering
Feb 28, 2016, 10:21:29 PM2/28/16
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Shalom, Erev tov, and greetings to you, as well, Just Walkin'.
Just Kidding
Feb 28, 2016, 10:36:47 PM2/28/16
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:20:39 -0800 (PST), Stephan Pickering
<stephanpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 3:55:41 PM UTC-8, Just Kidding wrote:
>ing persecution attempt on you.
>>
>> Have you lost your mind?
>
>Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
>
No need to ask if you've lost your mind.
<stephanpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 3:55:41 PM UTC-8, Just Kidding wrote:
>ing persecution attempt on you.
>>
>> Have you lost your mind?
>
>Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
>
Just Walkin'
Feb 28, 2016, 11:09:10 PM2/28/16
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On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 9:36:47 PM UTC-6, Just Kidding wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you lost your mind?
> >
> >Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
> >
> No need to ask if you've lost your mind.
He's just kidding too, of course.
> >>
> >> Have you lost your mind?
> >
> >Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
> >
> No need to ask if you've lost your mind.
Let's just go about our business now.
Just Kidding
Feb 29, 2016, 12:32:42 AM2/29/16
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1941052...@gmail.com
Feb 29, 2016, 2:31:33 PM2/29/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016, Will Dockery wrote:
>A fresh start for rec.music.dylan?
Good idea.
> "If you have a paradigm relating to the poetic symbols of Shabtai Zisel / 'Bob Dylan' you wish to present, buttressed with evidence from Hebrew/Aramaic foundations, then do so. Since you have not, and wish to throw little tantrums and wave your lips like a fish on the beach, then do not expect me, a scholar, to take you seriously." -- Steve Pickering
> Why does Steve Pickering think he is a scholar?
> Has any other scholar, academic or professor ever suggested Steve is a scholar? Can you cite such a thing? Usually scholars engage with other scholars.
> Scholars publish in peer-reviewed publications of known and respected publishers. Not usually in self-published publications with photographs and articles reprinted written by others.
> Can anyone name a scholarly publisher who has published him? Peer reviewed? Or are we talking fan projects?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English-language_book_publishing_companies
> Has Steve ever been employed by a recognized academic institution?
> Does Steve have any academic qualifications from a university?
> Steve has reproduced the work of others and printed that and he did have one photograph taken with a rather frightened looking Bob Dylan 40 some years ago. Other than that everything is unsubstantiated self-promotion.
> Have you ever read anything written by Steve that was coherent? Please provide it with a reference to where you found it.
I read what I could find and saw no specific answers to any of this. Not one.
If you asked the same sort of questions about say, Chris Ricks, you might give URLs such as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Ricks
or
http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2003/sep/14/music
and you might note Viking is a peer-reviewed known publisher, not a Vanity Press. Ricks' reviews are in mainstream publications, not just fan groups.
https://youtu.be/epHxpdS5bKM
you could cite scholarly discussions, lectures or the like at recognized academic institutions?
http://www.bu.edu/editinst/faculty/
you could show his position at recognized scholarly institutions?
Or a hundred other signs of scholarship. Notice I did NOT include Ricks trumpeting himself, nor did I include him listing his own accomplishments, nor did I include him praising himself. Nor did I include the opinions of his acolytes. Nor did I include imaginary pretend institutions, dinosaurs, communication with the dead, aliens from outer space or pickle brine recipes from Birobidzhan.
Third party sources, why are there none for Pickering if he is a scholar?
Charlatans only have smoke and mirrors. And willing lapdogs. And delusions.
And I think the shouting insults and personal attacks show there are no scholars present among those posters. Scholarly insults have more finesse. ;-)
There is one very nasty cruel bully. Those who tolerate and encourage him are complicit in enabling him to persecute specific named people who have done nothing. Why are you doing that? Stand up against this behavior. He could turn on you next.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/rdTXNMKxsII/5OtzhKMEBgAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/xNoR9XS6dyg/cAFodfO_AwAJ
https://www.mendeley.com/profiles/stephan-pickering1/
http://phylocode.miketaylor.org.uk/archive/messages/2003-07-0006.html
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/qBKLRmX1GOU/ywfLEexNBwAJ
True scholars don't need to describe themselves as scholars. They just are. Clear as day from their output, professional position, reputation and peer reviewed publications. They don't need to constantly tell people they are scholars, or repeat their bibliography, because it is self-evident and available through third-party sources.
And a scholar would not respond to this, but would let other disinterested parties give their opinions. So far no one has been able to cite any act of scholarship by Steve. Which reflects reality.
Will Dockery
Feb 29, 2016, 2:36:43 PM2/29/16
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Just Kidding wrote:
>
> No need to ask if you've lost your mind.
Just as it is obvious what a shallow, trollish mind you have JK.
>
> No need to ask if you've lost your mind.
But you seem happy with it, so have fun.
:)
Just Kidding
Feb 29, 2016, 4:29:55 PM2/29/16
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respond to, especially the ones by your imaginary "trolls".
Will Dockery
Feb 29, 2016, 5:38:07 PM2/29/16
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Just Kidding wrote:
>
> I'm willing to bet that there isn't a post about you that you won't
> respond to, especially the ones by your imaginary "trolls".
You'd lose that bet, troll, since that actually an experiment I've been trying for the last six months on the Poetry group, to ignore the trolls:
>
> I'm willing to bet that there isn't a post about you that you won't
> respond to, especially the ones by your imaginary "trolls".
==================================================
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.arts.poetry.comments
Michael Pendragon wrote:
Look Will, you're basically the heart and soul of this group and are largely responsible for holding what's left of it together...If you were to leave, George, Corey and I would probably only drop in occasionally for a while, until the inactivity and increase of spam would turn the whole thing into a wasteland.
The only answer is to try to change the way you respond to trolls.
So I'm asking you to try it my way for a while, and see if things don't improve. There are only 2 things you've got to do:
1)Stop replying to Pete, Kevin, Dink, Gary and Aratzio. I don't care if you think you've got a terrific comeback or not. File it away for future use. Make a pretend killfile, stick them all in it, and stop reading (and, especially, responding to) their posts. The number one rule of the internet is DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Learn it. Live it. Become it.
2)Stop dredging up past incidents that have been beaten into the ground. We all know that you've been clean and sober for the past 8 years. We all know that Michael Cook made a video of Karma Bombs without your permission and without (initially) crediting you. We all know that Karla took a dead poet to court. And we all know that Pete never chastised Fred for posting "Howl".
That's all. Two little things. So simple a caveman could do it.
================================================
So, I tried ignoring these flame troll, much like your and Bobby Massey's ilk, and lo and behold, it is an enjoyable experience to ignore the trolls.
So, my advice is to not take any bets, you've already lost.
Just Kidding
Feb 29, 2016, 7:14:17 PM2/29/16
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On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 14:38:02 -0800 (PST), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just Kidding wrote:
>>
>> I'm willing to bet that there isn't a post about you that you won't
>> respond to, especially the ones by your imaginary "trolls".
>
>You'd lose that bet, troll, since that actually an experiment I've been trying for the last six months on the Poetry group, to ignore the trolls:
>
<bullshit snipped>
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just Kidding wrote:
>>
>> I'm willing to bet that there isn't a post about you that you won't
>> respond to, especially the ones by your imaginary "trolls".
>
>You'd lose that bet, troll, since that actually an experiment I've been trying for the last six months on the Poetry group, to ignore the trolls:
>
How would I lose the bet since you did respond to me? Are you in such
a state of delusion that you don't even know it when you post? And by
the way, do you realize how childish it sounds to be calling other
people trolls? What next, orcs?
Will Dockery
Feb 29, 2016, 7:20:27 PM2/29/16
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On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:14:17 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
>
> How would I lose the bet
Your reading comprehension is pretty low, apparently.
>
> How would I lose the bet
Read my last post again... slowly, or have someone read it to you:
You'd lose that bet, troll, since that actually an experiment I've been trying for the last six months on the Poetry group, to ignore the trolls:
==================================================
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.arts.poetry.comments
Michael Pendragon wrote:
Look Will, you're basically the heart and soul of this group and are largely responsible for holding what's left of it together...If you were to leave, George, Corey and I would probably only drop in occasionally for a while, until the inactivity and increase of spam would turn the whole thing into a wasteland.
The only answer is to try to change the way you respond to trolls.
So I'm asking you to try it my way for a while, and see if things don't improve. There are only 2 things you've got to do:
1)Stop replying to Pete, Kevin, Dink, Gary and Aratzio. I don't care if you think you've got a terrific comeback or not. File it away for future use. Make a pretend killfile, stick them all in it, and stop reading (and, especially, responding to) their posts. The number one rule of the internet is DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Learn it. Live it. Become it.
2)Stop dredging up past incidents that have been beaten into the ground. We all know that you've been clean and sober for the past 8 years. We all know that Michael Cook made a video of Karma Bombs without your permission and without (initially) crediting you. We all know that Karla took a dead poet to court. And we all know that Pete never chastised Fred for posting "Howl".
That's all. Two little things. So simple a caveman could do it.
================================================
So, I tried ignoring these flame troll, much like your and Bobby Massey's ilk, and lo and behold, it is an enjoyable experience to ignore the trolls.
So, my advice is to not take any bets, you've already lost.
:)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.arts.poetry.comments
Michael Pendragon wrote:
Look Will, you're basically the heart and soul of this group and are largely responsible for holding what's left of it together...If you were to leave, George, Corey and I would probably only drop in occasionally for a while, until the inactivity and increase of spam would turn the whole thing into a wasteland.
The only answer is to try to change the way you respond to trolls.
So I'm asking you to try it my way for a while, and see if things don't improve. There are only 2 things you've got to do:
1)Stop replying to Pete, Kevin, Dink, Gary and Aratzio. I don't care if you think you've got a terrific comeback or not. File it away for future use. Make a pretend killfile, stick them all in it, and stop reading (and, especially, responding to) their posts. The number one rule of the internet is DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Learn it. Live it. Become it.
2)Stop dredging up past incidents that have been beaten into the ground. We all know that you've been clean and sober for the past 8 years. We all know that Michael Cook made a video of Karma Bombs without your permission and without (initially) crediting you. We all know that Karla took a dead poet to court. And we all know that Pete never chastised Fred for posting "Howl".
That's all. Two little things. So simple a caveman could do it.
================================================
So, I tried ignoring these flame troll, much like your and Bobby Massey's ilk, and lo and behold, it is an enjoyable experience to ignore the trolls.
So, my advice is to not take any bets, you've already lost.
BobbyM
Feb 29, 2016, 7:43:51 PM2/29/16
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On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 7:38:07 AM UTC+9, Will Dockery wrote:
----ALL OF THE REDUNDANT 'poetry group' BS SNIPPED----
Will, you're whoring yourself again & breaking one of your prime troll rules. How many times are you going to post this "poetry group" bs? You may be the "heart & soul" of the poetry group, but here you're the group's sphincter.
Now, to save you the trouble, I'm a troll. Troll, troll, troll, troll - oh I like that word. Keep using it; sticks & stones blah blah blah.
----ALL OF THE REDUNDANT 'poetry group' BS SNIPPED----
Will, you're whoring yourself again & breaking one of your prime troll rules. How many times are you going to post this "poetry group" bs? You may be the "heart & soul" of the poetry group, but here you're the group's sphincter.
Now, to save you the trouble, I'm a troll. Troll, troll, troll, troll - oh I like that word. Keep using it; sticks & stones blah blah blah.
Will Dockery
Feb 29, 2016, 8:40:40 PM2/29/16
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Bobby Massey wrote:
>
> I'm a troll.
Yes, you are a prime example of one, Bobby..
:)
>
> I'm a troll.
Yes, you are a prime example of one, Bobby..
:)
BobbyM
Feb 29, 2016, 9:33:59 PM2/29/16
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Will Dockery
Feb 29, 2016, 9:42:43 PM2/29/16
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BobbyM wrote:
>
> the more it irritates you is a measure of how well I'm doing
Well, you're not doing so well, since these posts do not "irritate" me at all... trust me, I've seen much worse than your ignorant attempts at insult.
>
> the more it irritates you is a measure of how well I'm doing
:)
Just Kidding
Feb 29, 2016, 11:03:13 PM2/29/16
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responded to my "troll", as you refer to it? Who gives a flying fuck
what you're "trying" to do in some poetry group? Whatever it is, it
ain't working here.
Just Kidding
Feb 29, 2016, 11:04:30 PM2/29/16
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I do not think it means what you think it means.
Just Kidding
Feb 29, 2016, 11:05:10 PM2/29/16
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Will Dockery
Mar 1, 2016, 1:02:57 AM3/1/16
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On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 11:03:13 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:20:25 -0800 (PST), Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >Your reading comprehension is pretty low, apparently, Troll.
Actually, your form of trollish behavior is so weak, I enjoy smacking you down just to get in a little... "target practice".
:)
> On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:20:25 -0800 (PST), Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >Your reading comprehension is pretty low, apparently, Troll.
> >
> >Read my last post again... slowly, or have someone read it to you:
> >
> >You'd lose that bet, Troll, since that actually an experiment I've been trying for the last six months on the Poetry group, to ignore the trolls:
> >Read my last post again... slowly, or have someone read it to you:
> >
> >
> >==================================================
> >https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.arts.poetry.comments
> >
> >Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> >Look Will, you're basically the heart and soul of this group and are largely responsible for holding what's left of it together...If you were to leave, George, Corey and I would probably only drop in occasionally for a while, until the inactivity and increase of spam would turn the whole thing into a wasteland.
> >
> > The only answer is to try to change the way you respond to trolls.
> >
> >So I'm asking you to try it my way for a while, and see if things don't improve. There are only 2 things you've got to do:
> >
> >1)Stop replying to Pete, Kevin, Dink, Gary and Aratzio. I don't care if you think you've got a terrific comeback or not. File it away for future use. Make a pretend killfile, stick them all in it, and stop reading (and, especially, responding to) their posts. The number one rule of the internet is DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Learn it. Live it. Become it.
> >
> >2)Stop dredging up past incidents that have been beaten into the ground. We all know that you've been clean and sober for the past 8 years. We all know that Michael Cook made a video of Karma Bombs without your permission and without (initially) crediting you. We all know that Karla took a dead poet to court. And we all know that Pete never chastised Fred for posting "Howl".
> >
> >That's all. Two little things. So simple a caveman could do it.
> >================================================
> >
> >So, I tried ignoring these flame troll, much like your and Bobby Massey's ilk, and lo and behold, it is an enjoyable experience to ignore the trolls.
> >
> >So, my advice is to not take any bets, you've already lost.
> >
> >:)
>
> >==================================================
> >https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.arts.poetry.comments
> >
> >Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> >Look Will, you're basically the heart and soul of this group and are largely responsible for holding what's left of it together...If you were to leave, George, Corey and I would probably only drop in occasionally for a while, until the inactivity and increase of spam would turn the whole thing into a wasteland.
> >
> > The only answer is to try to change the way you respond to trolls.
> >
> >So I'm asking you to try it my way for a while, and see if things don't improve. There are only 2 things you've got to do:
> >
> >1)Stop replying to Pete, Kevin, Dink, Gary and Aratzio. I don't care if you think you've got a terrific comeback or not. File it away for future use. Make a pretend killfile, stick them all in it, and stop reading (and, especially, responding to) their posts. The number one rule of the internet is DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Learn it. Live it. Become it.
> >
> >2)Stop dredging up past incidents that have been beaten into the ground. We all know that you've been clean and sober for the past 8 years. We all know that Michael Cook made a video of Karma Bombs without your permission and without (initially) crediting you. We all know that Karla took a dead poet to court. And we all know that Pete never chastised Fred for posting "Howl".
> >
> >That's all. Two little things. So simple a caveman could do it.
> >================================================
> >
> >So, I tried ignoring these flame troll, much like your and Bobby Massey's ilk, and lo and behold, it is an enjoyable experience to ignore the trolls.
> >
> >So, my advice is to not take any bets, you've already lost.
> >
> >:)
>
> Do you even realize that you
> responded to my "troll"
Hey, Flame Troll, I never once wrote that I was going to ignore you, I just proved that I /can/ if I want to.
> responded to my "troll"
Actually, your form of trollish behavior is so weak, I enjoy smacking you down just to get in a little... "target practice".
:)
Will Dockery
Mar 1, 2016, 1:05:51 AM3/1/16
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Just Kidding wrote:
>
> Yet another "troll" ignored
<trollish idiocy snipped>
You really are a bit slow, aren't you, troll?
See the post above this one.
:)
>
> Yet another "troll" ignored
<trollish idiocy snipped>
You really are a bit slow, aren't you, troll?
See the post above this one.
:)
poisoned rose
Mar 1, 2016, 2:10:13 AM3/1/16
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Dockery still wants you to believe that abusive posts can't be flames if they
end with "smiley faces."
end with "smiley faces."
Rachel
Mar 1, 2016, 2:22:34 AM3/1/16
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On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 11:10:13 PM UTC-8, poisoned rose wrote:
> Dockery still wants you to believe that abusive posts can't be flames if they
> end with "smiley faces."
i can believe it. sometimes it's hard. it might be abrasive, or even sound abusive, but it can still be said with no harm intended, no injury wished upon the victim that's there, waiting, on the other side.
> Dockery still wants you to believe that abusive posts can't be flames if they
> end with "smiley faces."
:-)
Will Dockery
Mar 1, 2016, 2:29:27 AM3/1/16
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On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:10:13 AM UTC-5, poisoned rose wrote:
>
> Dockery still wants you to believe that abusive posts can't be flames if they
> end with "smiley faces."
Well the truth can hurt sometimes, as Bob Dylan wrote:
>
> Dockery still wants you to believe that abusive posts can't be flames if they
> end with "smiley faces."
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure... to live it you had to explode."
:)
Rachel
Mar 1, 2016, 2:32:02 AM3/1/16
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Will Dockery
Mar 1, 2016, 2:36:41 AM3/1/16
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"Her father would emphasize you got to be more than street wise, but he practiced what he preached from the heart. A full bloodied Cherokee, he predicted it to me, the time and the place that we'd part."
:)
Rachel
Mar 1, 2016, 3:06:25 AM3/1/16
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Will Dockery
Mar 1, 2016, 3:28:38 AM3/1/16
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On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 3:06:25 AM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
>
> Why don't you ask Bob Dylan? He's the Messiah, isn't he?
I would but I haven't seen him since 1997... he did wink at my girl friend, though.
>
> Why don't you ask Bob Dylan? He's the Messiah, isn't he?
===========================================================
http://expectingrain.com/dok/set/97/10/971030a.html
Bob Dylan 971030 in Columbus, Georgia
October 30, 1997
Columbus, Georgia
Columbus Civic Center
Subject: Columbus View
From: DuncanHume
Date: 31 Oct 1997 16:46:51 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
4th show of the leg for me. Columbus Civic Center. Huge cavernous place with
air conditioning providing a chilly blast, blowing away the chance of any
intimate atmosphere. Had a lousy seat but it didn't matter. People just stood
where they wanted. It was like a general admission show ! 8.10 and on stage.
Black suit (new to me) blue silk shirt, white bow tie and those shoes !
Maggie's a la previous shows, Bob getting used to the environment. Sound at the
front of the stage was very poor. It seems you really have to pay the price
for being so close, by losing the vocal, further back was much clearer I am
told. Lay Lady Lay. Bob still kind of stiff, his motor not started yet. Cold
Irons bound was given the great intro of recent shows, building so well,
Kemper following the rest with his sudden beat intro. Bob was still a little
rigid but you could see that he was slowly getting involved. By the close of
the song he was with warmed up (despite the arctic chill of the a/c).
Big Girl Now with Campbell playing some really nice patterns over Bob's gentle
lyric. More people crowd to the front realizing no one is going to be asked to
return to their seat. Can't Wait is just so great. The lines delivered in 4 or
5 word bursts, back and forth between the melody. Silvio is, well, Silvio. Guy
to my right screams the lyric in my ear, I wish he wouldn't. Cocaine. Well the
guy to my right sings throughout the song and the kids behind me suck down
their beer and chatter. Why do this ? I feel like asking Bob to hold on a
minute, let me just kill a few of these people and you can start again. But
no, pay for your ticket and don't complain, I know. "All around my brain"
homer to my right shouts, devoid of any tune, beating Bob to the line. Get me
a shotgun now. I know, move. To where, how ? We are now packed in nice and
tight, I ain't goin' nowhere. Tangled, Homer knows all the words (don't we
all) and he's out to prove it. Bob beats him to some lines, extends others and
manages to confuse him so he give's up half way through. Bob sing's the song
with passion and obvious enjoyment. Campbell really drives this along so well.
The footlights at the front on the stage (a new feature for me) suddenly burst
in to life. All the other lights are killed and we get a new look at Bob.
Lighting directly in to his face. Bright and clear. It's very strange and very
cinematic.
Baby Blue has me guessing for a couple of seconds. A long intro before the
familiar tune emerges. Homer knows all the words again. Bob does to. Bob's
version is much better ! Bucky slides the melody with the precision we all
come to expect and take for granted. 'Til I Fell in Love get's Bob's vocal
chords the full workout. The band grin as Bob fires his way through the song.
So what's next. No it can't be, yes it is, Not Dark Yet. A quiet gentle intro
which I figured out in a micro second. I've been wondering how he'll do this.
How will he hit those wonderful low notes in the refrain? How can he recreate
the rich sound on stage?. He can't. Now don't misunderstand me. A very great
first performance. Like the CD version but only less depth in the vocal. Of
course, Homer next to me has also got the CD and shouts "but it's getting
there" at each opportunity. Thanks Homer.
61 really gets rocking. Bob's face pours with sweat. I get a high five as he
leaves (honest). Make a note, never wash right hand again. Back for Rolling
Stone. A big bunch of flowers hits the stage, to Bob's right. Then a pink bra
! Looked like a "B" cup but I can't be sure. Big finish. Back for It Ain't me
Babe. God this is great. Never thought I'd be tapping my feet to this one. New
faster version with a Kemper shuffle. It adds so much and changes the feeling
of the song for me. No more pleading, more instructing, No No No It Ain't Me
Babe. Love Sick and Campbell really plays a lovely lead. I'm increasingly
impressed with him. His eyes seem to get bigger and bigger as the show goes on
so by the end he look's continually shocked ! Rainy Day closes. Everybody
having fun, I can't hear Homer above the noise of the band. I glance right.
He's shouting, singing and punching the air, having a good old time.
That's what it's about after all...
=========================================================
My girlfriend of that era, Lisa Scarborough, tossed her poetry chapbook onto the stage, which landed at Dylan's feet. He was playing guitar so his hands we busy and couldn't steep to pick it up, but he carefully stepped over it and winked at Lisa. Her poetry has been posted at alt.arts.poetry.comments, like 20 years ago back around the same time I first started posting at these Usenet groups. I'll find some and repost it for you.
:)
Just Kidding
Mar 1, 2016, 10:53:36 AM3/1/16
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ignore trolls even though you say you do, and by responding to trolls
you've somehow proved that you can ignore them if you want to. So I
take it that you don't want to ignore trolls, right? If this
conclusion is wrong, it's only because I can't figure out what the
hell you're trying to say, and I doubt that you can either.
Will Dockery
Mar 1, 2016, 11:34:24 AM3/1/16
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Just Kidding wrote:
>
> So let me see if I've got this straight
>
> So let me see if I've got this straight
> You don't
> ignore trolls even though you say you do
No, you're confused, JK.
> ignore trolls even though you say you do
I wrote that I've been ignoring the trolls on the poetry group for the last six months, and it is working well.
Here, on the Dylan group, I have not taken that route, since there seem to be many issues yet to be established.
In a year or two, perhaps, after a good long flame war with you, I might finally become bored and ignore you.
Right now, you and the impotent little "Bobby Massey" troll are providing me with some amusing banter, and who knows, perhaps we will all learn something in due time?
Here, again, is the story of how I came to ignore the Poetry Group trolls, at the suggestion of the poet Michael Pendragon:
========================================================
http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/dLCRh8Wa/joke-of-the-day-7-25-2015
Look Will, you're basically the heart and soul of this group and are largely responsible for holding what's left of it together... If you were to leave, George, Corey and I would probably only drop in occasionally for a while, until the inactivity and increase of spam would turn the whole thing into a wasteland.
The only answer is to try to change the way you respond to trolls.
So I'm asking you to try it my way for a while, and see if things don't improve. There are only 2 things you've got to do:
1)Stop replying to Pete, Kevin, Dink, Gary and Aratzio. I don't care if you think you've got a terrific comeback or not. File it away for future use. Make a pretend killfile, stick them all in it, and stop reading (and, especially, responding to) their posts. The number one rule of the internet is DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Learn it. Live it. Become it.
2)Stop dredging up past incidents that have been beaten into the ground. We all know that you've been clean and sober for the past 8 years. We all know that Michael Cook made a video of Karma Bombs without your permission and without (initially) crediting you. We all know that Karla took a dead poet to court. And we all know that Pete never chastised Fred for posting "Howl".
That's all. Two little things. So simple a caveman could do it.
======================================================================
For the Poetry newsgroup, the time to ignore the worst of the trolls (which make you and B.M. look like puissant gnats, by the way) had clearly arrived, and I tried the ignore method.
And it worked, there... here, there's plenty left to establish, plenty of things to set the record straight on, and apparently... plenty of childish, trollish posts from you, Massey and your ilk.
:)
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Will Dockery
Jul 29, 2016, 4:43:25 PM7/29/16
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Just Walkin' wrote:
> Stephan Pickering wrote:
> > Just Kidding wrote:
>
> > ing persecution attempt on you.
> > >
> > > Have you lost your mind?
> >
> > Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
>
> Shalom, erev tov & גרעעטינגס
>
> Chill man. Don't be a nudnik. You have a mission. People without one are jealous. Don't you know that?
>
> לאָזן אים אַליין. ער איז נאָר אַ סטשמוקק.
That just about says it all, doesn't it?
:)
> Stephan Pickering wrote:
> > Just Kidding wrote:
>
> > ing persecution attempt on you.
> > >
> > > Have you lost your mind?
> >
> > Shalom & Erev tov...have you seriously considered a blessing for yourself, such as voluntary euthanasia?
>
> Shalom, erev tov & גרעעטינגס
>
> Chill man. Don't be a nudnik. You have a mission. People without one are jealous. Don't you know that?
>
> לאָזן אים אַליין. ער איז נאָר אַ סטשמוקק.
That just about says it all, doesn't it?
:)
warningm...@gmail.com
Aug 6, 2016, 8:55:35 PM8/6/16
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Newsflash: There was no "holocaust".
On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 6:11:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 10:57:11 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
> >
> > Before we forget
>
> That is part of the point, my friend... do we forget, do we treat the past horrors as all just some cosmic joke, that we as modern people "had nothing to do with"?
>
> Before we forget or Never Forget aka Never Again?
>
> Less than 100 years before the holocaust... it happened right here, under a banner that proclaimed we had... "God On Our Side":
>
> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:
>
> <snipped for focus>
>
> > Indeed, teaching science to Ojibwe and Lakota youth has been a real late life treat for this reinventive soul. Beats the pants off the business game. Better people, better agenda, honest work. And since I am still getting up to speed on the life and culture of my young charges, some of those links may prove useful. Thank you.
>
> And thank God there's still youth left to teach where you are, J.W.
>
> I've been walking the River Walk down here on the Chattahoochee, once the center of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation... now, dark, quiet and peaceful on both sides, a stroll that hides the horific past of genocide and "removal", here's the history collected by Melissa Hargett that I've begun to serialize in alt.native:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.native/iI_yoWt1KfQ/Lz-NFEf--TkJ
>
> Muscogee Creek Indian History found and posted by Melissa Hargett, reposted here for information, archival, historical purposes.
>
> In regard to the Creek Indian Villages in and around Columbus, Ga
> Relative peace reigned between whites and Native Americans in the early 1820's. A notable event in the Fort Benning region occurred when the aging Frenchman and Revolutionary War hero, Marquis de LaFayette, journeyed down the Federal Road in March 1825 on his triumphant tour of the country.
> LaFayette was one of the last, high-ranking officers of the Revolutionary War still alive.LaFayette's entourage made its first stop on Fort Benning land at a trading post run by an American fur trader. The sky was just clearing after a spring storm when LaFayette's carriage, guarded by the Georgia militia, arrived. Auguste Levasseur, LaFayette's secretary, later wrote that there were two male Indians, "remarkable for their beauty and form," sitting near the doorway of the trading post. The youngest of the pair spoke impeccable English. His name was Hambly (or Hamley), and he was the son of Creek and white parents.
>
> Hambly told the visitors that he had left Indian territory when he was younger to be educated in the United States, but returned to Indian lands because he preferred the native way of life. He had apparently married several Creek women. Levasseur and another man, known only as George, who were traveling with LaFayette carried on a cordial conversation with Hambly who invited them (and apparently the rest of the caravan) to visit his nearby home. There he demonstrated Indian dances for the visitors. Levasseur reciprocated by performing French dances.
>
> Researcher John Metcalf recently pinpointed the probable location of the Hambly farm in an eastern quadrant of Fort Benning. In a report on preliminary investigations at the site, archeologists Christopher Goodwin and Eric Poplin state there were apparent remains of a fireplace and a group of sandstone boulders perhaps used as footing stones for a cabin.
> LaFayette and his caravan traveled on to the banks of the Chattahoochee River where they encountered a large delegation of Creeks. At the Kasita crossing, the elderly Frenchman climbed upon a barge. Then young Indian men, first wading, then swimming, dragged the barge across the river. On the other side, LaFayette climbed into a small carriage, and the Indians, using two long ropes, pulled the carriage up the steep slope.
>
> Upon his arrival at Fort Mitchell, an elaborate welcoming ceremony unfolded. There were laudatory speeches in the Frenchman's honor by various dignitaries on the parade ground. The Creek chief, Little Prince, dazzled the crowd with a moving oration. He expressed joy at being able to welcome the honored war hero. After his speech, Little Prince explained to the visitors the lacrosse-type game sometimes called the "little brother of war." Indians then put on a demonstration game. It was one of the last times that local Native Americans and white settlers shared friendly relations.
>
> (To be Continued)
>
> Additional commentary by Kawita Native of Phenix City, Alabama:
>
> "Kawita Town, Cowita Town and other variations of spelling are all in reference to the capital of the Creek Nation which was the original KVWETV TOWN and part of the original Five Civilized Tribes. There were two locations, both located just below where the whitewater rapids are now which were known as Kawita Falls by early explorers and both were located on the Phenix City, Alabama side of the river. Early Spanish, French and English maps all show the great number of towns and villages located in this area. It is a shame that our local leaders refuse to work to preserve our Native American history like the Abercrombie mounds which are located off Brickyard Road and slowly washing away with each rain..."
>
> Thanks for the information and feedback, Kawita Native.
>
> Continuing with the material gathered by Melissa Hargett, here is Part Two...
>
> Unrest had been smoldering for some months. Earlier in the year, the Creek chiefs gathered at the central Georgia community of Indian Springs to meet with Georgia government representatives. They negotiated at a tavern owned by William McIntosh, one of the five great chiefs of the Creek nation. McIntosh, whose father was a Scot and mother a Creek, was chief of the village of Kawita on the Alabama side of the river, not far from Fort Benning's boundaries.
>
> McIntosh was a distinguished warrior, but his choice of foes did not endear him to some Native Americans. He had fought beside Andrew Jackson in the 1814 Battle of Horseshoe Bend against the Upper Creeks, so there was probably already mistrust between him and some of the Creeks. McIntosh had also fought with American forces against the Seminoles in Florida
> More damaging to his reputation was the rumor that he was susceptible to
> being bribed by white officials. He was also suspect because he maintained cozy relations with the Georgia governor, George McIntosh Troup, his first cousin.
>
> McIntosh signed his own death warrant when he put his name on the Second Treaty of Indian Springs on May 1, 1825, surrendering all remaining claims the Creeks had to Georgia land. The treaty relinquished Native American rights to land from the Flint River to the Chattahoochee River, including the area now occupied by Fort Benning and the city of Columbus. Reportedly, McIntosh accepted thousands of dollars in return for his signature. Outraged Upper Creek leaders angrily withdrew from the negotiations, branding McIntosh a traitor and the treaty a fraud.
>
> The Creek council had earlier decreed that anyone who sold Creek lands without unanimous consent from the council would be sentenced to death. McIntosh knew he was in danger and sought protection from Georgia officials. No one, however, could save him from the fury of his kinsmen.
> Soon after the signing of the detested treaty, Upper Creek warriors invaded McIntosh's plantation, near present day Carrollton, Georgia. They set his house on fire, and when McIntosh ran from the blaze, shot and stabbed him to death.
>
> Violence spread as more settlers began moving onto land many Creeks still considered theirs. The Indians responded with raids on white settlements. The United States government ordered the 4th Infantry Regiment to Fort Mitchell to quell the unrest. The earlier fort had fallen into disrepair, and a new one was built.
>
> The second Fort Mitchell was protected by wooden picket fences about 12 feet tall built in a square. Soldiers built blockhouses on two corners of the square where hiding sharpshooters could train their rifles on all approaches to the fort.
>
> (To be continued)
>
> Never forget... before we forget.
On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 6:11:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 10:57:11 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
> >
> > Before we forget
>
> That is part of the point, my friend... do we forget, do we treat the past horrors as all just some cosmic joke, that we as modern people "had nothing to do with"?
>
> Before we forget or Never Forget aka Never Again?
>
> Less than 100 years before the holocaust... it happened right here, under a banner that proclaimed we had... "God On Our Side":
>
> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:
>
> <snipped for focus>
>
> > Indeed, teaching science to Ojibwe and Lakota youth has been a real late life treat for this reinventive soul. Beats the pants off the business game. Better people, better agenda, honest work. And since I am still getting up to speed on the life and culture of my young charges, some of those links may prove useful. Thank you.
>
> And thank God there's still youth left to teach where you are, J.W.
>
> I've been walking the River Walk down here on the Chattahoochee, once the center of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation... now, dark, quiet and peaceful on both sides, a stroll that hides the horific past of genocide and "removal", here's the history collected by Melissa Hargett that I've begun to serialize in alt.native:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.native/iI_yoWt1KfQ/Lz-NFEf--TkJ
>
> Muscogee Creek Indian History found and posted by Melissa Hargett, reposted here for information, archival, historical purposes.
>
> In regard to the Creek Indian Villages in and around Columbus, Ga
> Relative peace reigned between whites and Native Americans in the early 1820's. A notable event in the Fort Benning region occurred when the aging Frenchman and Revolutionary War hero, Marquis de LaFayette, journeyed down the Federal Road in March 1825 on his triumphant tour of the country.
> LaFayette was one of the last, high-ranking officers of the Revolutionary War still alive.LaFayette's entourage made its first stop on Fort Benning land at a trading post run by an American fur trader. The sky was just clearing after a spring storm when LaFayette's carriage, guarded by the Georgia militia, arrived. Auguste Levasseur, LaFayette's secretary, later wrote that there were two male Indians, "remarkable for their beauty and form," sitting near the doorway of the trading post. The youngest of the pair spoke impeccable English. His name was Hambly (or Hamley), and he was the son of Creek and white parents.
>
> Hambly told the visitors that he had left Indian territory when he was younger to be educated in the United States, but returned to Indian lands because he preferred the native way of life. He had apparently married several Creek women. Levasseur and another man, known only as George, who were traveling with LaFayette carried on a cordial conversation with Hambly who invited them (and apparently the rest of the caravan) to visit his nearby home. There he demonstrated Indian dances for the visitors. Levasseur reciprocated by performing French dances.
>
> Researcher John Metcalf recently pinpointed the probable location of the Hambly farm in an eastern quadrant of Fort Benning. In a report on preliminary investigations at the site, archeologists Christopher Goodwin and Eric Poplin state there were apparent remains of a fireplace and a group of sandstone boulders perhaps used as footing stones for a cabin.
> LaFayette and his caravan traveled on to the banks of the Chattahoochee River where they encountered a large delegation of Creeks. At the Kasita crossing, the elderly Frenchman climbed upon a barge. Then young Indian men, first wading, then swimming, dragged the barge across the river. On the other side, LaFayette climbed into a small carriage, and the Indians, using two long ropes, pulled the carriage up the steep slope.
>
> Upon his arrival at Fort Mitchell, an elaborate welcoming ceremony unfolded. There were laudatory speeches in the Frenchman's honor by various dignitaries on the parade ground. The Creek chief, Little Prince, dazzled the crowd with a moving oration. He expressed joy at being able to welcome the honored war hero. After his speech, Little Prince explained to the visitors the lacrosse-type game sometimes called the "little brother of war." Indians then put on a demonstration game. It was one of the last times that local Native Americans and white settlers shared friendly relations.
>
> (To be Continued)
>
> Additional commentary by Kawita Native of Phenix City, Alabama:
>
> "Kawita Town, Cowita Town and other variations of spelling are all in reference to the capital of the Creek Nation which was the original KVWETV TOWN and part of the original Five Civilized Tribes. There were two locations, both located just below where the whitewater rapids are now which were known as Kawita Falls by early explorers and both were located on the Phenix City, Alabama side of the river. Early Spanish, French and English maps all show the great number of towns and villages located in this area. It is a shame that our local leaders refuse to work to preserve our Native American history like the Abercrombie mounds which are located off Brickyard Road and slowly washing away with each rain..."
>
> Thanks for the information and feedback, Kawita Native.
>
> Continuing with the material gathered by Melissa Hargett, here is Part Two...
>
> Unrest had been smoldering for some months. Earlier in the year, the Creek chiefs gathered at the central Georgia community of Indian Springs to meet with Georgia government representatives. They negotiated at a tavern owned by William McIntosh, one of the five great chiefs of the Creek nation. McIntosh, whose father was a Scot and mother a Creek, was chief of the village of Kawita on the Alabama side of the river, not far from Fort Benning's boundaries.
>
> McIntosh was a distinguished warrior, but his choice of foes did not endear him to some Native Americans. He had fought beside Andrew Jackson in the 1814 Battle of Horseshoe Bend against the Upper Creeks, so there was probably already mistrust between him and some of the Creeks. McIntosh had also fought with American forces against the Seminoles in Florida
> More damaging to his reputation was the rumor that he was susceptible to
> being bribed by white officials. He was also suspect because he maintained cozy relations with the Georgia governor, George McIntosh Troup, his first cousin.
>
> McIntosh signed his own death warrant when he put his name on the Second Treaty of Indian Springs on May 1, 1825, surrendering all remaining claims the Creeks had to Georgia land. The treaty relinquished Native American rights to land from the Flint River to the Chattahoochee River, including the area now occupied by Fort Benning and the city of Columbus. Reportedly, McIntosh accepted thousands of dollars in return for his signature. Outraged Upper Creek leaders angrily withdrew from the negotiations, branding McIntosh a traitor and the treaty a fraud.
>
> The Creek council had earlier decreed that anyone who sold Creek lands without unanimous consent from the council would be sentenced to death. McIntosh knew he was in danger and sought protection from Georgia officials. No one, however, could save him from the fury of his kinsmen.
> Soon after the signing of the detested treaty, Upper Creek warriors invaded McIntosh's plantation, near present day Carrollton, Georgia. They set his house on fire, and when McIntosh ran from the blaze, shot and stabbed him to death.
>
> Violence spread as more settlers began moving onto land many Creeks still considered theirs. The Indians responded with raids on white settlements. The United States government ordered the 4th Infantry Regiment to Fort Mitchell to quell the unrest. The earlier fort had fallen into disrepair, and a new one was built.
>
> The second Fort Mitchell was protected by wooden picket fences about 12 feet tall built in a square. Soldiers built blockhouses on two corners of the square where hiding sharpshooters could train their rifles on all approaches to the fort.
>
> (To be continued)
>
> Never forget... before we forget.
michaelw...@gmail.com
Feb 21, 2017, 11:58:22 PM2/21/17
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I think it's time for a fresh start, and I see I'm not alone.
Will Dockery
Feb 27, 2017, 9:16:07 AM2/27/17
to
Just Kidding wrote:
>
> So let me see if I've got this straight
How did that work out for you?
>
> So let me see if I've got this straight
I forgot.
:)
marcus
Feb 27, 2017, 10:49:22 AM2/27/17
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On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 11:58:22 PM UTC-5, michaelw...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think it's time for a fresh start, and I see I'm not alone.
Well, it is kinda hard for you to fit a lot of people in that small room in your parents' basement...ya know the computer itself takes up a lot of room...not to mention your cot.
> I think it's time for a fresh start, and I see I'm not alone.
Grave Digger
Feb 27, 2017, 11:47:13 AM2/27/17
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damn...can you imagine the foul order in that basement? the fucking pork rinds alone.
even mom will give him the boot one day
cheers
love you D
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