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Mark S

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Apr 23, 2012, 2:55:18 PM4/23/12
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On Apr 23, 11:26 am, Kirk McElhearn <kirkmc (at) mac (dot) com> wrote:

> I wonder if this can work. Will people who don't usually buy classical
> music go for a complete set of Beethoven sonatas? And out of the $7
> that EMI gets from this set, how much will they net?
>
> Interesting times, to see a major label make such a low-priced release
> in digital format.


The fact that Lim (who is for all intents and purposes an unknown
quantity) has been entrusted with the complete Beethoven sonatas on a
major label sends up a big red flag. Those kind of things didn't
happen when the record labels were flush with cash at the height of
the CD age. What are the chances it would happen today, especially at
EMI, which is currently being auctioned off to the highest bidder?

From the looks of it, I would guess that someone besides EMI is
bankrolling this project, perhaps a patron of the pianist who has deep
enough pockets to pay EMI whatever they wanted, thus allowing some
promoter to add prestige to Lim's name. Ergo, EMI has probably made
what they're going to make from what looks to me like a pay-to-play
arrangement.

John Thomas

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Apr 23, 2012, 3:20:01 PM4/23/12
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Unless H J Lim is a real cutie with great legs and no underwear this
project is doomed to linger. As you're a certified CD reviewer I hope
you audition this and let us know if there's anything substantial
here. I've recently received and am currently listening to the re-
release of Arrau's set and don't expect anyone to top it anytime
soon. Especially on a CFX concert grand.

Kirk McElhearn at dot wrote:
> I just got a press release about a Korean pianist, HJ Lim, who has
> recorded all of Beethoven's piano sonatas. What is unique here is this:
>
> "EMI will release Lim’s Complete Beethoven Sonatas on the iTunes Music
> Store for only $9.99, a strategy commonly used with compilations, but
> never with a new release until now. A Yamaha exclusive artist, HJ was
> also the first to record
> the complete sonatas on a Yamaha CFX concert grand piano, the crown
> jewel of their remarkable piano collection."
>
> That's certainly a very aggresive approach.
>
> The booklet for the set can be seen here:
>
> http://issuu.com/emiclasiscsus/docs/hj_lim_-_complete_beethoven_sonatas_booklet__engli?mode=window&pageNumber=1
>
> Amazon
>
> only lists one 2-disc set of these so far:
>
> http://amzn.to/ItMkni
>
> I wonder if this can work. Will people who don't usually buy classical
> music go for a complete set of Beethoven sonatas? And out of the $7
> that EMI gets from this set, how much will they net?
>
> Interesting times, to see a major label make such a low-priced release
> in digital format.
>
> Kirk
>
> --
>
> Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com
> Writings about more than just Macs
> Take Control of iTunes 10: The FAQ: http://www.mcelhearn.com/itunes

O

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Apr 23, 2012, 3:25:31 PM4/23/12
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In article
<2a7ce2a3-1adc-4ccc...@h9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
There's probably a thousand pianists right out of music school who
would do this for free to get the exposure that iTunes and the
promotion gives him.

-Owen

Matthew B. Tepper

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> Unless H J Lim is a real cutie with great legs and no underwear this
> project is doomed to linger.

Do a Google image search on her name.

--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

Matthew B. Tepper

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> The fact that Lim (who is for all intents and purposes an unknown
> quantity) has been entrusted with the complete Beethoven sonatas on a
> major label sends up a big red flag. Those kind of things didn't
> happen when the record labels were flush with cash at the height of
> the CD age. What are the chances it would happen today, especially at
> EMI, which is currently being auctioned off to the highest bidder?
>
> From the looks of it, I would guess that someone besides EMI is
> bankrolling this project, perhaps a patron of the pianist who has deep
> enough pockets to pay EMI whatever they wanted, thus allowing some
> promoter to add prestige to Lim's name. Ergo, EMI has probably made
> what they're going to make from what looks to me like a pay-to-play
> arrangement.

If she turns up as musical guest on "Saturday Night Live," or gets to
perform on the televised Grammy Awards, then we'll know just how big a
patron she has.

When I see a performer being pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed and
pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed, that is definitely a red flag.

td

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Apr 23, 2012, 3:43:59 PM4/23/12
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In other words:

This is a vanity publication.

Seems logical to me.

TD

O

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Apr 23, 2012, 3:44:10 PM4/23/12
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In article <XnsA03E7F73177...@216.168.3.70>,
Matthew B. Tepper <oyţ@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Mark S <markst...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:2a7ce2a3-1adc-4ccc-9034-
> 7ab46e...@h9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>
> > The fact that Lim (who is for all intents and purposes an unknown
> > quantity) has been entrusted with the complete Beethoven sonatas on a
> > major label sends up a big red flag. Those kind of things didn't
> > happen when the record labels were flush with cash at the height of
> > the CD age. What are the chances it would happen today, especially at
> > EMI, which is currently being auctioned off to the highest bidder?
> >
> > From the looks of it, I would guess that someone besides EMI is
> > bankrolling this project, perhaps a patron of the pianist who has deep
> > enough pockets to pay EMI whatever they wanted, thus allowing some
> > promoter to add prestige to Lim's name. Ergo, EMI has probably made
> > what they're going to make from what looks to me like a pay-to-play
> > arrangement.
>
> If she turns up as musical guest on "Saturday Night Live," or gets to
> perform on the televised Grammy Awards, then we'll know just how big a
> patron she has.
>
> When I see a performer being pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed and
> pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed, that is definitely a red flag.

The patron might be Yamaha Pianos, who want to showcase their CFX.

-Owen

Gerard

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Apr 23, 2012, 3:54:00 PM4/23/12
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O <ow...@denofinequityx.com> typed:
And maybe 100,000 of them live in China.

Dufus

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Apr 23, 2012, 4:16:26 PM4/23/12
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>On Apr 23, 2:44 pm, O <ow...@denofinequityx.com> wrote:

> The patron might be Yamaha Pianos, who want to showcase their CFX.
>


Bingo !! For you and Mark S. Isn't Lang Lang a " Steinway Artist " ?

Dufus

John Thomas

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Apr 23, 2012, 6:29:25 PM4/23/12
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On Apr 23, 12:30 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> John Thomas <abrasax...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:1248d3ff-f4ec-403d-a838-c1ac2f292be9
> @ns1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Unless H J Lim is a real cutie with great legs and no underwear this
> > project is doomed to linger.
>
> Do a Google image search on her name.
>
Thanks for the suggestion. Don't know about her underwear but even
fully clothed she definitely shows signs of having the kind of talent
that sells CD's these days. I suspect the mousse haired morons at EMI
know exactly what they're doing.

td

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Apr 23, 2012, 6:33:55 PM4/23/12
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I don't know any "mousse-haired morons" at EMI. Whom might you be
speaking about? Or is your comment as gratuitous a slur as the average
Tepper spew?

TD

basnperson

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Apr 23, 2012, 7:14:12 PM4/23/12
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On Apr 23, 2:55 pm, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
dont underestimate this lady........ the last movt of the "Adieux" is
very impressive. Huge technique but a penchant for playing too fast
at times on other examples on youtube. We shall see.

AB
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Thornhill

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Apr 23, 2012, 8:15:42 PM4/23/12
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On Apr 23, 2:26 pm, Kirk McElhearn <kirkmc (at) mac (dot) com> wrote:
> I just got a press release about a Korean pianist, HJ Lim, who has
> recorded all of Beethoven's piano sonatas. What is unique here is this:
>
> "EMI will release Lim’s Complete Beethoven Sonatas on the iTunes Music
> Store for only $9.99, a strategy commonly used with compilations, but
> never with a new release until now. A Yamaha exclusive artist, HJ was
> also the first to record
> the complete sonatas on a Yamaha CFX concert grand piano, the crown
> jewel of their remarkable piano collection."
>
> That's certainly a very aggresive approach.
>
> The booklet for the set can be seen here:
>
> http://issuu.com/emiclasiscsus/docs/hj_lim_-_complete_beethoven_sonat...
>
> Amazon
>
> only lists one 2-disc set of these so far:
>
> http://amzn.to/ItMkni
>
> I wonder if this can work. Will people who don't usually buy classical
> music go for a complete set of Beethoven sonatas? And out of the $7
> that EMI gets from this set, how much will they net?
>
> Interesting times, to see a major label make such a low-priced release
> in digital format.

MDT lists the 8-disc CD box for $46.76

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_May12_Classical/4649522.htm

Other recent complete recordings having been released at that price
point.

The Rudolf Buchbinder 9-disc set which just came out was priced at
$48:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//88697875102.htm

Harmonia Mundi also quickly released the Paul Lewis recordings at a
budget price:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//HMX2901902-11.htm

td

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Apr 23, 2012, 8:17:33 PM4/23/12
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She may have good technique. But how would you know without giving her
a trial period?

TD

basnperson

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Apr 23, 2012, 8:49:27 PM4/23/12
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agreed, so lets give her some time.

AB

John Wiser

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"td" <tomde...@mac.com> wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:14 pm, basnperson <abachr...@att.net> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 2:55 pm, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[BIG SNIP]>
>> dont underestimate this lady........ the last movt of the "Adieux" is
>> very impressive. Huge technique but a penchant for playing too fast
>> at times on other examples on youtube. We shall see.

> She may have good technique. But how would you know without giving her
> a trial period?

Hey, Tomasito! we're just listening to her, we aren't gonna marry her.

JDW

whiskynsplash

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Apr 23, 2012, 9:37:12 PM4/23/12
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On Apr 23, 1:26 pm, Kirk McElhearn <kirkmc (at) mac (dot) com> wrote:
> I just got a press release about a Korean pianist, HJ Lim, who has
> recorded all of Beethoven's piano sonatas. What is unique here is this:
> Kirk

Weird little weasel named James Rhodes on the Delirium Tremens blogged
this:

Musical Viagra: how a young Korean pianist made me fall in love with
Beethoven all over again
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/jamesrhodes/100062524/musical-viagra-how-a-young-korean-pianist-made-me-fall-in-love-with-beethoven-all-over-again/

"This is playing that does everything one could possibly want and so
much more – it is the musical equivalent of Viagra, restoring passion,
lust and hunger for an old lover – something the classical music
industry is desperately in need of. It forces you to listen to this
music as if for the very first time, rediscovering everything that is
great about it – like being married for 30 years and suddenly one
morning waking up and seeing your wife miraculously transformed back
into the smoking hot 20-something you first met and remembering how
impossibly lucky you are to be with her"

Matthew B. Tepper

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Yep, what a miserable time it must be for non-photogenic performers.
Someone like Clara Haskil could never have gotten started nowadays.

Matthew B. Tepper

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> Weird little weasel named James Rhodes on the Delirium Tremens blogged
> this:
>
> Musical Viagra: how a young Korean pianist made me fall in love with
> Beethoven all over again
> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/jamesrhodes/100062524/musical-viagra
> -how-a-young-korean-pianist-made-me-fall-in-love-with-beethoven-all-over-
> again/
>
> "This is playing that does everything one could possibly want and so
> much more – it is the musical equivalent of Viagra, restoring passion,
> lust and hunger for an old lover – something the classical music
> industry is desperately in need of. It forces you to listen to this
> music as if for the very first time, rediscovering everything that is
> great about it – like being married for 30 years and suddenly one
> morning waking up and seeing your wife miraculously transformed back
> into the smoking hot 20-something you first met and remembering how
> impossibly lucky you are to be with her"

That is just icky.

John Wiser

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"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA03EC2159A0...@216.168.3.70...
> whiskynsplash <whisky...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in
> news:7bb0834b-29fa-4414...@i18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Weird little weasel named James Rhodes on the Delirium Tremens blogged
>> this:
>>
>> Musical Viagra: how a young Korean pianist made me fall in love with
>> Beethoven all over again
>> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/jamesrhodes/100062524/musical-viagra
>> -how-a-young-korean-pianist-made-me-fall-in-love-with-beethoven-all-over-
>> again/
>>
>> "This is playing that does everything one could possibly want and so
>> much more - it is the musical equivalent of Viagra, restoring passion,
>> lust and hunger for an old lover - something the classical music
>> industry is desperately in need of. It forces you to listen to this
>> music as if for the very first time, rediscovering everything that is
>> great about it - like being married for 30 years and suddenly one
>> morning waking up and seeing your wife miraculously transformed back
>> into the smoking hot 20-something you first met and remembering how
>> impossibly lucky you are to be with her"
>
> That is just icky.
>

Authoritative pronouncement
from a Master of Ick. Got it right, though.

JDW

John Thomas

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Apr 24, 2012, 12:02:52 AM4/24/12
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My reply was directed to Mr Tepper, not you. Nobody asked you to read
it, much less critique it.
Message has been deleted
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Dufus

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>On Apr 23, 8:37 pm, whiskynsplash <whiskynspl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Weird little weasel named James Rhodes on the Delirium Tremens blogged
> this:
>
> Musical Viagra: how a young Korean pianist made me fall in love with
> Beethoven all over againhttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/jamesrhodes/100062524/musical-vi...

James Rhodes : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO96rn16Fs

Nick Sun

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Apr 24, 2012, 7:41:12 AM4/24/12
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Stewart Goodyear has also completed recording the whole 32 Beethoven
Sonata, so far two set of 4CD's are already out. He IS far better a
player than Lim, but very few people seemed to notice him either. BTW,
Mr Goodyear is going to give a Beethoven Sonata Marathon on June 9, at
the Royal Conservatory in Toronto, whole day long! :-)

http://www.toronto.com/article/723675--stewart-goodyear-will-play-all-of-beethoven-s-sonatas-in-luminato-marathon

Gerard

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John Thomas <abras...@gmail.com> typed:
What about using e-mail if others are not supposed to reply?


Gerard

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Dufus <steve...@gmail.com> typed:
Dufus - Fun wearing underwear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt4vQV74PRo

Dufus

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>On Apr 24, 6:41 am, Nick Sun <xiaowu...@email.msn.com> wrote:

> Stewart Goodyear has also completed recording the whole 32 Beethoven
> Sonata, so far two set of 4CD's are already out. He IS far better a
> player than Lim, but very few people seemed to notice him either.

Agreed , Goodyear one to watch. Mentioned here a few years ago, in the
Ravel G ?

Dufus

basnperson

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On Apr 23, 8:59 pm, "John Wiser" <ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:
hear she has the hots for "Leakin Deacon".

AB

wagnerfan

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Apr 24, 2012, 8:38:37 AM4/24/12
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Leakin is such a piano queen.

Wagner fan

laraine

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On Apr 23, 9:04 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> Yep, what a miserable time it must be for non-photogenic performers.
> Someone like Clara Haskil could never have gotten started nowadays.

She looked kind of glamorous when
young, though.

It seems there are now basically two
main audiences for classical music
--youth and seniors. So once performers
are past youthful, they need to maintain
or develop personality.

If Ms. Lim is the first female to do
a complete Beethoven sonata cycle,
perhaps that is what some of the hype is
about. I imagine lots of females could do
it, though.

C.

John Thomas

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On Apr 24, 9:50 am, laraine <larai...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> If Ms. Lim is the first female to do
> a complete Beethoven sonata cycle,
> perhaps that is what some of the hype is
> about. I imagine lots of females could do
> it, though.
>


So Annie Fischer was...what?

Gerard

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John Thomas <abras...@gmail.com> typed:
Have they never told you the truth?

John Wiser

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A cardboard replica!

JDW

td

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On Apr 23, 8:59 pm, "John Wiser" <ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:
You may be listening to her. I am not.

TD

td

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On Apr 23, 10:04 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> John Thomas <abrasax...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:88347f58-2e43-483c-a99f-
> 3a34208b8...@w6g2000pbp.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Apr 23, 12:30 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> John Thomas <abrasax...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> >> letters to be typed in news:1248d3ff-f4ec-403d-a838-c1ac2f292be9
> >> @ns1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > Unless H J Lim is a real cutie with great legs and no underwear this
> >> > project is doomed to linger.
>
> >> Do a Google image search on her name.
>
> > Thanks for the suggestion.  Don't know about her underwear but even
> > fully clothed she definitely shows signs of having the kind of talent
> > that sells CD's these days.  I suspect the mousse haired morons at EMI
> > know exactly what they're doing.
>
> Yep, what a miserable time it must be for non-photogenic performers.
> Someone like Clara Haskil could never have gotten started nowadays.

Did she actually get started?

I thought she just died and became a legend.

TD

td

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> http://www.toronto.com/article/723675--stewart-goodyear-will-play-all...

Got my tickets already!

Go, Stewart, go!

TD

td

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On Apr 24, 12:50 pm, laraine <larai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 9:04 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yep, what a miserable time it must be for non-photogenic performers.
> > Someone like Clara Haskil could never have gotten started nowadays.
>
> She looked kind of glamorous when
> young, though.
>
> It seems there are now basically two
> main audiences for classical music
> --youth and seniors. So once performers
> are past youthful, they need to maintain
> or develop personality.
>
> If Ms. Lim is the first female to do
> a complete Beethoven sonata cycle,
> perhaps that is what some of the hype is
> about.

So what was Maria Grinberg? An elephant?

TD

td

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Apr 24, 2012, 4:34:22 PM4/24/12
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You're the one who needs time. To get it up!!!

TD

laraine

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Apr 24, 2012, 7:20:44 PM4/24/12
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She would be an "if not".

There are a lot of sf in Beethoven
that one has to deal with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7-Q5MH6hFE&feature=related

C.

laraine

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Apr 24, 2012, 7:22:07 PM4/24/12
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She would be a female who could do
something musical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0r1nirF3o

C.

laraine

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Apr 24, 2012, 7:37:47 PM4/24/12
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While we're at it, let's bring up H.J Lim
playing 3rd mov't of Adieux:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFcrTycJlD0

It reminds me a bit of myself as a kid
playing Clementi sonatinas as fast
as possible just for fun. (You can't do
that with Mozart.)

But I can't say that it doesn't work in
some ways.

C.

whiskynsplash

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Apr 24, 2012, 7:40:27 PM4/24/12
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Another lesser-known female pianist who recorded all the Beethoven
sonatas is Anne Oland.
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=136815

Matthew B. Tepper

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whiskynsplash <whisky...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
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> Another lesser-known female pianist who recorded all the Beethoven
> sonatas is Anne Oland.

So that makes three, along with Annie Fischer and Maria Grinberg.

Still, the way things are these days, EMI *could* claim that HJ Lim was the
first female pianist to record all the Beethoven sonatas, and the press would
just copy this remark and go ah-yup-yup-yup-yup-yup, she shore is, guh-hyilk.
Perhaps critics in Fanfare and ARG would point out the error, but most people
wouldn't see that and would just believe it. Ka-ching! Sales for EMI.

It appears that the anonymous Amazon reviewer claims she is the first. Where
did that come from, if not from EMI? Or maybe he/she just assumed it?

graham

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"laraine" <lara...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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-------------------------------------------------------------
Or like this lady:
http://tv.liberoquotidiano.it/video/105797/Donna-suona-Beethoven-con-le-chiappe.html


John Thomas

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Apr 25, 2012, 1:21:15 AM4/25/12
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Come to think of it, though I've never heard any of her CD's and I
don't believe they were ever collected into a set, Tatiana Nikolayeva
did record all the sonatas.

Miguel Montfort

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John Thomas wrote:

> Come to think of it, though I've never heard any of her CD's
> and I don't believe they were ever collected into a set,
> Tatiana Nikolayeva did record all the sonatas.

Actually, there have been at least three sets featuring
Nikolayeva’s live traversal from 1983:

* Olympia – individual CDs (OCD 561-569, 1994) and as two
5CD sets, (OCD 5010 & 5011, 1996) including opp. 35, 120 &
WoO 80

* Deutsche Schallplaten who apparently licensed the
Olympia material in 1994/95 – individual CDs (DS 1101-06 &
1160-62)

* Scribendum – a 9CD set (SC036, 2002)

Miguel Montfort

herman

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On 25 avr, 08:18, Miguel Montfort <op...@web.de> wrote:
> John Thomas wrote:
> > Come to think of it, though I've never heard any of her CD's
> > and I don't believe they were ever collected into a set,
> > Tatiana Nikolayeva did record all the sonatas.
>
> Actually, there have been at least three sets featuring
> Nikolayeva’s live traversal from 1983:


And yet, when Nikolayeva's set came out, there was precious little
speculation about whether she was wearing underwear or not, as in the
case of Lim.

How come?

td

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Apr 25, 2012, 5:15:23 AM4/25/12
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She had clearly gone through the menopause.

TD

Dufus

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>On Apr 24, 5:31 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> James Rhodes :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO96rn16Fs

Rhodes' might be a set to wait for, if he has the attention span ,
practices, and lives long enough :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LxF27T5Uss ( Op.31,# 3, Scherzo )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27btQJaXCsE ( Op.109, first mov. )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ayD3BjplY&feature=relmfu ( Op.
109,final )

basnperson

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On Apr 24, 8:55 pm, "graham" <g.ste...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> "laraine" <larai...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Or like this lady:http://tv.liberoquotidiano.it/video/105797/Donna-suona-Beethoven-con-...

hysterical........

AB

John Thomas

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Apr 25, 2012, 5:53:12 PM4/25/12
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Actually, no one mentioned underwear re: Lim other than me, and that
was only a joke based on some comments in the long thread about Yuja
Wang and her very short skirt. Apologies to Ms Lim if it was taken as
a tasteless insult, which it was not meant to be..

Norman Schwartz

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Apr 26, 2012, 10:41:38 AM4/26/12
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Disgusting and hysterical. (Marcia Clark claimed "hysterical" was a sexist
term. Judge Ito backed her.)
http://articles.nydailynews.com/1995-05-26/news/17962169_1_juror-airtight-alibi-ronald-goldman

> AB


gert

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On Apr 26, 9:41 am, "Norman Schwartz" <n...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
> Disgusting and hysterical. (Marcia Clark claimed "hysterical" was a sexist
> term. Judge Ito backed her.)http://articles.nydailynews.com/1995-05-26/news/17962169_1_juror-airt...
>

She was right! SEE:

Origin of HYSTERIA:
New Latin, from English hysteric, adjective, from Latin hystericus,
from Greek hysterikos, from hystera womb; from the Greek notion that
hysteria was peculiar to women and caused by disturbances of the
uterus
First Known Use: 1801 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hysteria

HYSTERIA: http://advsem.wikispaces.com/message/view/Etymology/34675556


wagnerfan

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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:00:24 -0700 (PDT), gert <g...@gerriecollins.com>
wrote:
Good for her - maybe if she was that smart as a prosecutor Simpson
would not have gotten off. Wagner fan

Andrew Ousley

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On Apr 24, 8:53 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> whiskynsplash <whiskynspl...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:d1c6d520-9bb4-426c-96e6-
> 76cf29399...@f17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Another lesser-known female pianist who recorded all the Beethoven
> > sonatas is Anne Oland.
>
> So that makes three, along with Annie Fischer and Maria Grinberg.
>
> Still, the way things are these days, EMI *could* claim thatHJLimwas the
> first female pianist to record all the Beethoven sonatas, and the press would
> just copy this remark and go ah-yup-yup-yup-yup-yup, she shore is, guh-hyilk.
> Perhaps critics in Fanfare and ARG would point out the error, but most people
> wouldn't see that and would just believe it.  Ka-ching!  Sales for EMI.
>
> It appears that the anonymous Amazon reviewer claims she is the first.  Where
> did that come from, if not from EMI?  Or maybe he/she just assumed it?
>
> --
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> Read about "Proty" here:http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
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Just to clarify a few things from this thread:

1) EMI didn't post any "fake" reviews of this on Amazon

2) We're fans of the Nikolayeva complete, and would never
intentionally spread misinformation in order to increase sales

3) There is no "mystery patron" for this release.

4) We think Ms Lim is a unique talent both in terms of technical
abilities and approach to playing, as well as her deep personal
immersion in and reflection on the music she plays. We support her and
promote this release because believe in her music and vision and want
to spread that to as many people as possible.

5) We don't wear any mousse in our hair.

Regards,
EMI Classics US

Matthew B. Tepper

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> On Apr 24, 8:53 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> whiskynsplash <whiskynspl...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the
>> following letters to be typed in news:d1c6d520-9bb4-426c-96e6-
>> 76cf29399...@f17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Another lesser-known female pianist who recorded all the Beethoven
>> > sonatas is Anne Oland.
>>
>> So that makes three, along with Annie Fischer and Maria Grinberg.
>>
>> Still, the way things are these days, EMI *could* claim that HJLim was
>> the first female pianist to record all the Beethoven sonatas, and the
>> press would just copy this remark and go ah-yup-yup-yup-yup-yup, she
>> shore is, guh-hyilk. Perhaps critics in Fanfare and ARG would point out
>> the error, but most people wouldn't see that and would just believe it.
>> Ka-ching!  Sales for EMI.
>>
>> It appears that the anonymous Amazon reviewer claims she is the first.
>> Where did that come from, if not from EMI?  Or maybe he/she just
>> assumed it?
>
>
> Just to clarify a few things from this thread:
>
> 1) EMI didn't post any "fake" reviews of this on Amazon
>
> 2) We're fans of the Nikolayeva complete, and would never intentionally
> spread misinformation in order to increase sales
>
> 3) There is no "mystery patron" for this release.
>
> 4) We think Ms Lim is a unique talent both in terms of technical
> abilities and approach to playing, as well as her deep personal
> immersion in and reflection on the music she plays. We support her and
> promote this release because believe in her music and vision and want
> to spread that to as many people as possible.
>
> 5) We don't wear any mousse in our hair.
>
> Regards,
> EMI Classics US

Thank you for the factual corrections. I certainly jumped the gun in
thinking that EMI had anything to do with the misinformation spread by the
anonymous Amazon reviewer, and I both retract my remarks to that effect and
apologize for them.

Oscar

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On May 21, 9:16 pm, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> > 5) We don't wear any mousse in our hair.
>
> Thank you for the factual corrections.  I certainly jumped the gun in
> thinking that EMI had anything to do with the misinformation spread by the
> anonymous Amazon reviewer, and I both retract my remarks to that effect and
> apologize for them.

Wow! Next thing I know you're going to tell me Ofra Harnoy does _not_
look like Pia Zadora!! ;-))

Randy Lane

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On Apr 24, 12:14 pm, John Thomas <abrasax...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 9:50 am, laraine <larai...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
> > If Ms. Lim is the first female to do
> > a complete Beethoven sonata cycle,
> > perhaps that is what some of the hype is
> > about. I imagine lots of females could do
> > it, though.
>
>   So Annie Fischer was...what?

And there's Idil Biret.

herman

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On 22 mai, 07:28, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:


>
> >   So Annie Fischer was...what?
>
> And there's Idil Biret.

Well, focus on that part.

Clearly the critical point was about the mousse, or rather the absence
thereof.

I take it Mr Tepper is going into rehab for the rest of the year.

kirkmc

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May 22, 2012, 7:51:26 AM5/22/12
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Your 5-star review on the iTunes Store may not be fake - you've used the name "EMIClassics" - but it's still a bit lame.

Just saying...

Matthew B. Tepper

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Nah, I still have SOME pride.

And just because some EMI PR people don't wear mousse in their hair doesn't
mean that nobody in the whole business does.

dk

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She did play like one -- sometimes.

Seriously, if one is looking for a good
counter example, Annie Fischer would be
a better choice. I also have a faint
recollection of one of the French
women pianists having recorded the
complete set, though I do not remember
exactly who. Catherine Collard maybe?

Come to think of it, didn't Anne-Rose
Schmidt record the full set for Eterna?

Tatyana Nikolaieva?

Cheers,

dk

dk

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On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:53:21 PM UTC-7, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> > Another lesser-known female pianist who recorded all the Beethoven
> > sonatas is Anne Oland.
>
> So that makes three, along with Annie Fischer and Maria Grinberg.

Tatyana Nikolaieva too.
Probably Anne-Rose Schmidt.
Cheers,
dk

dk

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On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:16:29 PM UTC-7, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> Thank you for the factual corrections. I certainly jumped the gun in
> thinking that EMI had anything to do with the misinformation spread by the
> anonymous Amazon reviewer, and I both retract my remarks to that effect and
> apologize for them.
>

Bravo!
Looks like during the few years I wasn't watching you
learned at least how to apologize. Slow progress, though
progress nevertheless.
Cheers,
dk
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