[OverPower] Which skill will now Dominate Tournaments?
UrHaSh
Hey guys,
I was thinking, now that strength guys have been toned down to the power
of the other skill-guys (thanks to no-inherents and some other misc. grid
changing), I was wondering, which skill will now dominate? In a local
tournament, I saw an AWFUL LOT of Energy decks, 1 or two strength decks,
and maybe a couple of Fighting decks. In my opinion, I think FIghting
decks will be more common soon because of the fact that most fighting
guys aren't weak in other categories. (look at Prof X.) I have seen 1 or
two IQ guys too, but most of the IQ decks that I have seen are part of a
dual skill deck, mostly a variant with Prof X. and Brianiac included. Oh
well, please give me some feedback on this topic, Thanx,
UrHaSh
Froinlaven
In article <5bm4dk$c...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, UrHaSh
<wa...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I personally think that there are no dominant decks. People jumped on the
Energy bandwagon a bit too early. I find that the Old strength deck is
still quite good. And if you stick the new juggernaut in it only helps. I
think people forgot about the strength deck too early. But the Energy and
Fighing decks have been given significant boosts, making everything even.
The only thing I see lacking is the Intellect catergory. Which should get
plenty of boosts.
However, I would watch out for Justice league. This expansion will
probably allow us you use all or most of the DC characters. (Instead of
just braniac)
I'd like to see somemore good specials, an AG for superman. AS for batman, etc.
I would also like to see more eights in DC (I realize that there could be
a problem with too many 8's but DC should get three 8's of their own)
Just speculating on JLA who do you think have POTENTIAL 8's?
Energy - Dr. Fate, Darkseid, Flash (Okay I know he's probably not an 8,
but he's SOO much more powerful than quicksilver, I'd hate to see him get
a 7)
Green Lantern (hal jordan) I could convince myself to believe Hal was an
8, but not kyle.
Fighting - Lobo, Wonder Woman (Maybe not a 7, but I'm just guessing)
Strength - Captain marvel?
Intellect - (I'm having big problems coming up with people here)
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Andrew Barnett
Froinlaven wrote:
>
> I would also like to see more eights in DC (I realize that there could be
> a problem with too many 8's but DC should get three 8's of their own)
I agree.
> Just speculating on JLA who do you think have POTENTIAL 8's?
>
> Energy - Dr. Fate, Darkseid, Flash (Okay I know he's probably not an 8,
> but he's SOO much more powerful than quicksilver, I'd hate to see him get
> a 7)
Well, more power does not equal more Energy. He goes real fast, that
isn't 8E...and some sevens are unmatched...(ex. Jean Grey and Cyclops)
> Green Lantern (hal jordan) I could convince myself to believe Hal was an
> 8, but not kyle.
I would say they both are. In case you didn't notice, they have the same
powers.
> Fighting - Lobo, Wonder Woman (Maybe not a 7, but I'm just guessing)
I would say Lobo.
> Strength - Captain marvel?
Sure
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Jason Braswell
UrHaSh (wa...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Hey guys,
: I was thinking, now that strength guys have been toned down to the power
: of the other skill-guys (thanks to no-inherents and some other misc. grid
: changing), I was wondering, which skill will now dominate? In a local
I hate to give away my deck ideas but fighting/energy stands out as
a good hard hitting deck. For example Bishop is 6E 7F and has a level
8 and 9 special as well as an avoid, Nightcrawler(6E 7F) has a level 9 plus
some other nifty specials, Omega Red (6E 7F)has some great specials, Cable
is 7E 7F and has a level 9 attack and two avoids, Quicksilver is 7E 6F and
has a level 10 attack and one avoid.
I could go on further but I'm in a hurry. The only problem with
these heros is that their grids are too high and it would be hard to find
good 4th hero to balance the numbers. But as for hard hitting specials,
the fighting/energy could be tops.
-Jason
tim...@eskimo.com
In article <32E137...@erols.com>,
Well, the point about green lantern, was that Hal has more experience than Kyle
with the ring. Although, I don't know what Kyle has been doing in the comics,
but he's only had his ring for 1 or 2 years, while Hal has had it for quite a
while.
And Flash doesn't just run fast, but he goes at the speed of light, can run
thorugh walls, charge up with kinetic energy and so forth. I know he won't get
an 8 but I'd like to see him get one.
But the real problem I can't think of anyone who'd get 8 intellect? Is anyone
famillar enough with the DC universe, to figure out someone worthy of that stat?
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>
>And Flash doesn't just run fast, but he goes at the speed of light, can run
>thorugh walls, charge up with kinetic energy and so forth. I know he won't get
>an 8 but I'd like to see him get one.
>
add to this one....Flash can run through time...in the comics...
in the comics he can run through wall yes this is
TRUE, but they tend to explode after he does this little trick.
IMPULSE can run as fast as flash, and the walls dont explode after
he runs through them...
Flash will probably have a 7e... his fighting is good too.. with that speed it helps
so he'll have a 6f....and you can guess the others are going to be a 3s and a 4i ...
thats what im expecting for flash
Green Lantern will be a 8e... that RING is what makes it.
Ankur Chandra
I'd personally love to see a couple more 8's in the
Justice League Expansion so that a DC team will be a little
more imposing, but if they put in Parallax
and Darkseid (both probably 8 energy), GL will probably
get stuck w/ a 7E. I wonder who else will be in it?
James Riley
In <5buv63$7...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> ank...@athena.mit.edu (Ankur
and Darkseid to be 8's. Of course this is assuming Darkseid's in
there. Also, comsidering Wonder Woman is the 3rd most powerful hero on
Earth, will she be getting 7S and 7F?
James
Action Zone
Sean MacDonald
tim...@eskimo.com wrote:
>
>But the real problem I can't think of anyone who'd get 8 intellect? Is anyone
>famillar enough with the DC universe, to figure out someone worthy of that stat?
Apart from Luthor and Batman (Detective) who already have
an 8 Intellect, I'd say Metron deserves an 8 Intellect.
I'd also say Brainiac 5 of the Legion of Super-Heroes, though
the current version of Brainiac 5 doesn't really seem as
smart as he should (though he might be given an 8 intellect
to make up for his total lack of Energy, Fighting, and
Strength).
I can't think of any 8 Intellects who would appear in a
"Justice League" supplement...maybe villains like T.O.
Morrow or Professor Ivo, but I don't think so somehow.
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perish at the hands of creatures who were still little more
than animals. It was as if vultures feasted on and squabbled
over the paralyzed body of the youthful poet who could only
stare at them with puzzled eyes as they slowly robbed him of
an exquisite existence they would never appreciate, never know
they were taking. 'If they valued what they stole, if they knew
what they were destroying...then I would be consoled.'"
-Michael Moorcock
Christopher L. Tumber
>But the real problem I can't think of anyone who'd get 8 intellect? Is anyone
>famillar enough with the DC universe, to figure out someone worthy of that stat?
Kind of off the top of my head, but...
Braniac 5
Highfather
Darkseid
Metron
Mordru (Or more likely 8E 7I)
Time Trapper
Universo (Maybe)
Destiny
Phantom Stranger (Maybe)
Dr. Fate (Maybe, or another 8E/7I or 8E/6I)
Brainwave
Ultra-Humanite
Shazam (The old wizard)
Mr. Mind
Dr. Sivanna
Uncle Sam (BIG Maybe)
Vandal Savage
The Chief (Doom Patrol)
General Immortus
The Brain (Brotherhood of Evil)
Notes: Mordru is just being reintroduced in the LSH reboot. Universo and Time
Trapper have not been reintorduced yet so they're unlikely. Phantom Stranger
and Destiny maybe be trapped in the Vertigoverse which may make them
unavailable. Dr. Fate isn't around any more. Brainwave and Ultra-Humanite are
JSA villains so DC will deny they ever existed. Shazam will probably wind up
being an Ally if he's used. Same with the Chief.
All strictly IMHO and probably different from Fleer.
'Till there's a Captain Nazi, Nippo, Red Skull and Dynaman deck...
Make mine OverPower!
David Cummings
>>
>> > Green Lantern (hal jordan) I could convince myself to believe Hal was an
>> > 8, but not kyle.
>>
>> I would say they both are. In case you didn't notice, they have the same
>> powers.
>
>Well, the point about green lantern, was that Hal has more experience than Kyle
>
>with the ring. Although, I don't know what Kyle has been doing in the comics,
>but he's only had his ring for 1 or 2 years, while Hal has had it for quite a
>while.
>
Okay, the important thing to remember is that the energy skill will come from
the ring and not the experience of the wielder. Then remember that Kyle's
ring is more powerful than Hal's..... it is also not vulnerable to yellow (No
special avoids for characters wearing yellow costumes......) That should
suggest that GL will get an 8, but DC will stay with one 8 per skill per set.
.Rumor has it that Parallax (Hal) will get the 8E........
Lincoln Cajulis
I do not think that GL is an 8 energy. Look who has eights already.
Prof X,
Magneto, Dr. Strange, and Brainiac. All of these characters have one
thing in
common. They can alter reality and nature to a wide degree. GL cannot
do this.
He is closer to the Silver Surfer. If anyone is an eight, I would say
the
following might be: Firestorm (supposedly in), the Flash (in),
Darkseid, and
Parallax. All these characters can alter reality to some extent.
Firestorm
can alter matter at the molecular level, Flash (Just read JLA 3),
Darkseid has
the Omega effect, and Parallax can do just about everything.
Here is how I would rate some of the characters:
GL: 7-4-3-6
Flash: 8-6-3-5
WW: 4-7-7-5
Batman: 3-8-4-7 or 2-8-4-8 Heck, why not?
Supes: 7-3-8-(4 or 5)
G Arrow 3-7-3-6
Firestorm: 8-3-3-6
Martian Manhunter 5-5-7-6 I am not really sure of this....
Any other suggestions?
Later
Lincoln
Michael Encinas
Now that we are getting so close to the release of JL OP, do we have an
exact date? And a spoiler list?
Michael
Ankur Chandra
In article <32e39...@206.103.128.3>, tem...@netwide.net (David Cummings) writes:
|> In article <8537162...@dejanews.com>, tim...@eskimo.com wrote:
|>
|> >>
|> >> > Green Lantern (hal jordan) I could convince myself to believe Hal was an
|> >> > 8, but not kyle.
|> >>
|> >> I would say they both are. In case you didn't notice, they have the same
|> >> powers.
|>
|> >
|> >Well, the point about green lantern, was that Hal has more experience than Kyle
|> >
|> >with the ring. Although, I don't know what Kyle has been doing in the comics,
|> >but he's only had his ring for 1 or 2 years, while Hal has had it for quite a
|> >while.
|> >
|> Okay, the important thing to remember is that the energy skill will come from
|> the ring and not the experience of the wielder. Then remember that Kyle's
|> ring is more powerful than Hal's..... it is also not vulnerable to yellow (No
|> special avoids for characters wearing yellow costumes......) That should
|> suggest that GL will get an 8, but DC will stay with one 8 per skill per set.
|> .Rumor has it that Parallax (Hal) will get the 8E........
Hal would definitely deserve the 8 and although Kyle's ring seems to have less
restrictions than Hal's, we have to remember that the ring (Green Energy or
whatever you want to call it) runs on willpower, one
area where Hal just dominates over Kyle. If there's only going to be one 8 per
skill per set, what will be the other 8s (I thought that a Darkseid would have an
8E or maybe a hologram Blue Superman w/ 8E)
Ankur Chandra
In article <32E444...@mailhost.norfolk.infi.net>, Lincoln Cajulis
I doubt that Flash'll end up with an 8E (not that he doesn't deserve it) - I'd
like to see how they do the Martian Manhunter considering that he can shoot
eye-beams, is as strong as most heroes in the DCU, and is really intelligent.
Also, I haven't been following up on the new Green Arrow to know if he merits a
7F. I've heard that Black Canary, Hawkman and Darkseid will also be in the JLA
expansion (we could possibly see Aquaman, Plastic-Man, Captain Marvel?)
Do you know if Firestorm will be in the set as a character (that would be
awesome) - I've heard that he might show up as an ally.
Brian Fried
My guess is that Green Lantern and Wonder Woman will get pairs of 7 each,
just as Superman (who deserved an 8 strength) and Batman (8 fighting) got.
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Brian Fried
My guess on some of the characters.....
Green Lantern: 7e, 7f, 4s, 5i
Wonder Woman: 4e, 7f, 7s, 5i
Flash: 7e, 4f, 4s, 4i
Aquaman: 5e, 6f, 6s, 3i
Martian Manhunter: 7e, 5f, 3s, 7i
Green Arrow: 3e, 7f, 3s, 4i
Firestorm (if he's included): 6e, 4f, 3s, 6i
R Kalford
The only potential characters I could think of for 8 stats are:
Energy 8:
Darkseid - Omega Beams
Green Lantern - The last power ring, without the yellow weakness,
destroyed Oa.
Intellect 8:
Blue Beatle - Inventor, uses brain vs brawn to overcome opponents.
High Father - New God instead of JLA, but he is Darkseid's opposite.
De Saad - Evil genius, Darkseid's lackey.
Fighting 8:
Capt Atom - Quantum Elemental, military/spy background
Lobo - he frags everybody!
Guy Gardner/Warrior - body morphs into weapons.
Strength 8:
Capt Marvel - the strength of Atlas
Martian Manhunter - ??
R Kalford
concerning 8 intellects:
I don't agree that Darkseid would have an 8 intellect, though Highfather
probably would. Darkseid is too physical/energy oriented. However, I
think it likely that De Saad would have an 8 Intellect, as Darkseid's evil
genius underling.
I liked some of your suggested characters. I hope the next DC expansion
will be the Legion of Super-Heroes.
Boba Fej
>> Energy - Dr. Fate, Darkseid, Flash (Okay I know he's probably not an 8,
>> but he's SOO much more powerful than quicksilver, I'd hate to see him
get
> >a 7)
>Well, more power does not equal more Energy.
Technically it does. Power = current x resistance squared (or is it the
other way around).
>He goes real fast, that
>isn't 8E...
Yeah, but stuff also blows up when Flash runs through it.
Xau-Xau
Power = I^2(current Squared) * R (resistance)
Boba Fej
My take on DC stats.
If Robin is a 7I, Batman is definitely an 8.
Of new characters comming out, Martian Manhunter should be the most
powerful. He has to be at least a 7E like all the other telepaths.
Martian Manhunter: 7, 4, 6, 6
Green Lantern: 8, 6, 3, 3
Flash: 7, 6, 4, 3
Green Arrow: 2, 7, 4, 5 Inherent: May draw an extra card per battle, must
discard if duplicate.
Wonder Woman: 3, 7, 7, 4
Aquaman: 4, 7, 6, 4
Lobo: 2, 8, 5, 2
Elongated Man: 1, 6 , 3, 7
Rocket Red: 6, 3, 7, 3
Sinestro: 7, 4, 2, 6
Guardians of Oa: 6, 2, 2, 8
Captain Marvel: 5, 3, 8, 4
Andrew Barnett
Boba Fej wrote:
>
> Technically it does. Power = current x resistance squared (or is it the
> other way around).
>
> >He goes real fast, that
> >isn't 8E...
>
> Yeah, but stuff also blows up when Flash runs through it.
Yeah, but E8? I mean, I see where they are going with speed = energy,
but I think E8 would only be appropriate if the guy could go the speed
of light squared (where he would actually be converted into Energy).
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Christopher L. Tumber
Andrew Barnett (andr...@erols.com) writes:
> I think E8 would only be appropriate if the guy could go the speed
> of light squared (where he would actually be converted into Energy).
Huh?
According to Einsteining physics, as matter approaches the velocity of
light, it's mass (and length) increase (and time dilates). A body
travelling at exactly the velocity of light would have infinite mass and
length and time would appear to be stopped.
It is impossible (according to Einsteining physics) to travel at exactly
the velocity of light.
Theorectically, is IS possible to travel faster than the velocity of light,
however, this requires an "imaginary" (as in the mathematical concept, the
square root of a negative number) mass. These theorectical particles are
called tachyons and their existance has yet to be proven. Tachyons ALWAYS
travel faster than light (and backwards in time).
Of course, comic books have never been constrained by the laws of physics,
but what the heck is "if the guy could go the speed of light squared (where
he would actually be converted into Energy)" supposed to mean?
Do you mean the "Speed Force"? I don't think the exact velocity needed to
join the Speed Force has ever been revealed and it seems to vary by the
individual (ie: Johnny Quick stayed but Wally didn't). As well, Marvel
doesn't have a Speed Force.
Lester
R Kalford wrote:
>
> The only potential characters I could think of for 8 stats are:
> Strength 8:
> Capt Marvel - the strength of Atlas
> Martian Manhunter - ??
Captian Marvel has the strength of Hercules and the stamina of Atlas. He
also has the power of Zeus so he better have good stats!
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Michael Encinas
Ankur Chandra wrote:
>
> I'd put Captain Atom as more of an energy than a fighting hero,
> but then again I haven't read a comic with him in it in years.
Captain Atom has a military background, and coordinated one of the major
cross overs (I think it was Invasion). He may not be a high level fighter,
but I don't think he should be at the bottom, either.
> I also think that Captain Marvel should get an 8S, but
> that they could only do that if Supes has an 8 as well
Not this may be a way to gauge things, but in Kingdom Come, Captain Marvel
seemed to be stronger than Superman. So I wouldn't be surprised if he got an
8.
Michael
Ankur Chandra
I like your suggestions (hadn't thought of Blue Beetle)
but one problem with the DC cards is that Superman only has a 7
Strength and Batman only a 7 intellect making it difficult to
justify some of these other guys getting an 8. Although I kinda
like limiting the 8s, it makes it difficult to justify giving anyone
an 8 over these guys.
I'd put Captain Atom as more of an energy than a fighting hero,
but then again I haven't read a comic with him in it in years.
Parallax (chances are he'll be in it) will probably get an 8E and
I'll bet that Green Lantern will get a 7. I don't think that they'll
be any New Gods in the JLA expansion (Aside from Darkseid and possibly
Mr. Miracle) I also think that Captain Marvel should get an 8S, but
that they could only do that if Supes has an 8 as well - I totally think
that we should get a reissued Superman/Batman with 8s in Strength/Intellect
(and a hologram Blue Superman with an 8E would be cool too).
PS Does anyone have a date on the JLA Expansion release?
Lincoln Cajulis
Ankur Chandra wrote:
>
> I like your suggestions (hadn't thought of Blue Beetle)
> but one problem with the DC cards is that Superman only has a 7
> Strength and Batman only a 7 intellect making it difficult to
> justify some of these other guys getting an 8. Although I kinda
> like limiting the 8s, it makes it difficult to justify giving anyone
> an 8 over these guys.
Superman is weakened after the Final Night and Doomsday episodes, he
may no longer be an 8 strength. As far as Batman being 8 in intellect
and fighting, I think that is what the Holoheros take care of....:(
>
> I'd put Captain Atom as more of an energy than a fighting hero,
> but then again I haven't read a comic with him in it in years.
> Parallax (chances are he'll be in it) will probably get an 8E and
> I'll bet that Green Lantern will get a 7. I don't think that they'll
> be any New Gods in the JLA expansion (Aside from Darkseid and possibly
> Mr. Miracle) I also think that Captain Marvel should get an 8S, but
> that they could only do that if Supes has an 8 as well - I totally think
> that we should get a reissued Superman/Batman with 8s in Strength/Intellect
> (and a hologram Blue Superman with an 8E would be cool too).
>
> PS Does anyone have a date on the JLA Expansion release?
Early March
Later
Lincoln
Lincoln Cajulis
R Kalford wrote:
>
> The only potential characters I could think of for 8 stats are:
>
> Darkseid - Omega Beams, could be enough
> Green Lantern - The last power ring, without the yellow weakness,
> destroyed Oa.
Hal as Parallax is, not Kyle.
> Intellect 8:
> Blue Beatle - Inventor, uses brain vs brawn to overcome opponents.
> High Father - New God instead of JLA, but he is Darkseid's opposite.
> De Saad - Evil genius, Darkseid's lackey.
Blue Beetle, was he in JLA?
> Fighting 8:
> Capt Atom - Quantum Elemental, military/spy background
> Lobo - he frags everybody!
> Guy Gardner/Warrior - body morphs into weapons.
Captain Atom, 8 fighting?
Lobo: Without a doubt
Warrior, Is he that good of a fighter?
> Strength 8:
> Capt Marvel - the strength of Atlas
> Martian Manhunter - ??
Bet you those are the eight strengths!
Later
Lincoln
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Andrew Barnett wrote:
>
> Boba Fej wrote:
> >
> > Technically it does. Power = current x resistance squared (or is it the
> > other way around).
> >
> > >He goes real fast, that
> > >isn't 8E...
> >
> > Yeah, but stuff also blows up when Flash runs through it.
>
> Yeah, but E8? I mean, I see where they are going with speed = energy,
> of light squared (where he would actually be converted into Energy).
>
just run around.
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> Andrew Barnett
> andr...@erols.com
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