Vox Senis Q
Jeff Kuta
Unique Master
Put this card in play. Each Methuselah gets 1 additional vote during
each referendum. Alternatively during a referendum, you may discard
this card from your hand as an out-of-turn master to gain 3 votes in
that referendum.
So, Vox Senis is in play. Can someone discard it from their hand to
gain 3 votes in a referendum? Does contesting apply?
I'm guessing Yes and No because the OOT Vox is not brought into play,
but I figured I'd ask.
LSJ
> Vox Senis
> Unique Master
> Put this card in play. Each Methuselah gets 1 additional vote during
> each referendum. Alternatively during a referendum, you may discard
> this card from your hand as an out-of-turn master to gain 3 votes in
> that referendum.
>
> So, Vox Senis is in play. Can someone discard it from their hand to
> gain 3 votes in a referendum? Does contesting apply?
Yes. No.
> I'm guessing Yes and No because the OOT Vox is not brought into play,
> but I figured I'd ask.
Exactly correct.
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Joshua Duffin
Your guess is right. Uniqueness only affects things in play or being
brought into play. Rulebook 1.6.1.4 "Uniqueness" - "If a card is
identified as "unique," then only one copy of that card can be in play
at a time. If another Methuselah puts a copy of the card into play,
the copies will be contested (and out of play) until all but one is
yielded (see "Contested Cards," sec. 4.1)."
There aren't any other effects of uniqueness in the game, so a copy of
Vox Senis being in play has no effect on being able to play Vox Senis
as an out-of-turn master.
Josh
unique new dork
Jon Stahler
> Jeff Kuta wrote:
> > Vox Senis
> > Unique Master
> > Put this card in play. Each Methuselah gets 1 additional vote during
> > each referendum. Alternatively during a referendum, you may discard
> > this card from your hand as an out-of-turn master to gain 3 votes in
> > that referendum.
> >
> > So, Vox Senis is in play. Can someone discard it from their hand to
> > gain 3 votes in a referendum? Does contesting apply?
>
> Yes. No.
>
> > I'm guessing Yes and No because the OOT Vox is not brought into play,
> > but I figured I'd ask.
>
> Exactly correct.
While we're on the subject of Vox Senis, can in the OOT effect be used
on a referendum called during your turn? I'm guessin no since there's
no card text to indicate that you can, but the "during the referendum"
portion has no limitations, so its making me question how this would
be ruled. Thanks in advance.
Jon
Halcyan 2
>on a referendum called during your turn? I'm guessin no since there's
>no card text to indicate that you can, but the "during the referendum"
>portion has no limitations, so its making me question how this would
>be ruled. Thanks in advance.
Unlike some other cards (i.e. Absolution of the Diabolist and Gangrel
Conspiracy), the card text for Vox Senis does not specifically allow one to
play it during one's turn. Thus the general rules for playing Master OOT's
apply (in other words you cannot).
Vox Senis does indeed say "during a referendum" but similarly "Burn a minion
card as it is played" does not provide an exception for Direct Intervention and
"when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage" does not allow
you to play Rotschreck during your turn even if the condition is met. Thus Vox
Senis cannot be played during your turn based solely on that logic.
Halcyan 2
Johannes Walch
logic.
And that´s for good. Don´t wanna see a lot of 1/2 cap weenie voter decks
becoming princes like crazy :-)
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Reyda
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> > Thus Vox Senis cannot be played during your turn based solely on that
> logic.
>
> And that´s for good. Don´t wanna see a lot of 1/2 cap weenie voter decks
> becoming princes like crazy :-)
then intercept them :)
Johannes Walch
> > logic.
> >
> > And that´s for good. Don´t wanna see a lot of 1/2 cap weenie voter decks
> > becoming princes like crazy :-)
>
> then intercept them :)
Sometimes hard without a ready, controlled vampire :)
Reyda
> > > > Thus Vox Senis cannot be played during your turn based solely on
that
> > > logic.
> > >
> > > And that´s for good. Don´t wanna see a lot of 1/2 cap weenie voter
decks
> > > becoming princes like crazy :-)
> >
> > then intercept them :)
>
> Sometimes hard without a ready, controlled vampire :)
franciscus or zoe with a disguised .44 can do miracles =)
Johannes Walch
>
> franciscus or zoe with a disguised .44 can do miracles =)
I would hardly call binning a 1 cap a miracle but in some circumstances it
can do good :-)
Reyda
> > > Sometimes hard without a ready, controlled vampire :)
> >
> > franciscus or zoe with a disguised .44 can do miracles =)
>
> I would hardly call binning a 1 cap a miracle but in some circumstances it
> can do good :-)
I mean, thrashing 2 or 3 one cap in a row is so fun you just get addicted =)