[LSJ] Question about banishment and sensory depravation
ThE_OnLy_VipeR
and this vampire goes to the uncontrolled region.
Does the sensory depravation remain in game or loses it's effect until
the vampire who played it comes back to the ready region?
Daneel
wrote:
AFAIK It loses its effects permanently, because the criterion
for ending the card's effect (the playing minion no longer
remaining in play) is meat with the banishment. So even if
the vampire reenters play, the Sensory won't kick back in.
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Daneel
salem
scrawled:
the sensory dep stays in play. however, it's effect is ended when the
vampire who played it is banished, and does NOT resume when the
vampire returns to play.
Sensory Deprivation [DS:U2, FN:PR]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 3 blood
Discipline: Chimerstry
[chi] (D) Burn any retainer or put this card on any ally. The minion
with this card does not untap as normal during the untap phase as long
as the acting vampire remains in play.
[CHI]As above, but put this card on any vampire in play.
salem
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Jyhad_addict
> On 30 Nov 2004 19:27:53 -0800, fina...@hotmail.com (ThE_OnLy_VipeR)
> scrawled:
>
> >If i play a banishment to a vampire who has played sensory depravation
> >and this vampire goes to the uncontrolled region.
> >
> >Does the sensory depravation remain in game or loses it's effect until
> >the vampire who played it comes back to the ready region?
>
> the sensory dep stays in play. however, it's effect is ended when the
> vampire who played it is banished, and does NOT resume when the
> vampire returns to play.
>
> Sensory Deprivation [DS:U2, FN:PR]
> Cardtype: Action
> Cost: 3 blood
> Discipline: Chimerstry
> [chi] (D) Burn any retainer or put this card on any ally. The minion
> with this card does not untap as normal during the untap phase as long
> as the acting vampire remains in play.
> [CHI]As above, but put this card on any vampire in play.
>
In my opinion the thing that should happen is the effect to resume
when the acting vampire enters play again, after being banished. As it
says "as long as".
But of course this is just my opinion...
Same thing if the vampire is burned and returns in play via
Possession.
George
LSJ
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Correct.
Google: "banish sensory author:LSJ"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3B700C1A.135D4FE0%40white-wolf.com
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Daneel
>> Sensory Deprivation [DS:U2, FN:PR]
>> Cardtype: Action
>> Cost: 3 blood
>> Discipline: Chimerstry
>> [chi] (D) Burn any retainer or put this card on any ally. The minion
>> with this card does not untap as normal during the untap phase as long
>> as the acting vampire remains in play.
>> [CHI]As above, but put this card on any vampire in play.
>
> In my opinion the thing that should happen is the effect to resume
> when the acting vampire enters play again, after being banished. As it
> says "as long as".
I think that in this particular case the key is the
"as long as" + "remain" phrase. Because once you left,
you no longer remain, even if you later come back. If
the card would read "while this vampire is in play",
things would probably be different.
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Bye,
Daneel
Jyhad_addict
agreed, BUT... from the time he comes back he is "remaining (again) in
play".
Anyway, we can keep arguing, but the truth is that this is one of
these cases, that you can (imo) rule in favor of any of the two cases.
It seems that LSJ chose which case to favor, end of story...
George
LSJ
news:c6a50f81.04120...@posting.google.com...
> > "as long as" + "remain" phrase. Because once you left,
> > you no longer remain, even if you later come back. If
> > the card would read "while this vampire is in play",
> > things would probably be different.
>
> agreed, BUT... from the time he comes back he is "remaining (again) in
> play".
No.
"Remain" looks for continuity.
Definition: "Remain: vi. to continue unchanged"
When he comes back, he is in play.
But he has not remained in play (since he ceased being in play for a time).
> Anyway, we can keep arguing, but the truth is that this is one of
> these cases, that you can (imo) rule in favor of any of the two cases.
> It seems that LSJ chose which case to favor, end of story...
Card text chose which case, actually.
This isn't a ruling, it's just a clarification. End of story.
The effect only lasts for as long as the vampire remains in play
(card text).
See also "Hands on a Hardbody" -- a group of people (contestants)
begin with their hands on the truck. Each player is in position
to win as long as that player's hand remains on the truck.
Jyhad_addict
> "Jyhad_addict" <geo...@for.auth.gr> wrote in message
> news:c6a50f81.04120...@posting.google.com...
> > Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu> wrote in message
> news:<opsib3ag...@news.chello.hu>...
> > > I think that in this particular case the key is the
> > > "as long as" + "remain" phrase. Because once you left,
> > > you no longer remain, even if you later come back. If
> > > the card would read "while this vampire is in play",
> > > things would probably be different.
> >
> > agreed, BUT... from the time he comes back he is "remaining (again) in
> > play".
>
> No.
> "Remain" looks for continuity.
> Definition: "Remain: vi. to continue unchanged"
>
> When he comes back, he is in play.
> But he has not remained in play (since he ceased being in play for a time).
>
> > Anyway, we can keep arguing, but the truth is that this is one of
> > these cases, that you can (imo) rule in favor of any of the two cases.
> > It seems that LSJ chose which case to favor, end of story...
>
ok, got it.
> Card text chose which case, actually.
> This isn't a ruling, it's just a clarification. End of story.
>
> The effect only lasts for as long as the vampire remains in play
> (card text).
>
> See also "Hands on a Hardbody" -- a group of people (contestants)
> begin with their hands on the truck. Each player is in position
> to win as long as that player's hand remains on the truck.
yeah, i know of this "contest".
George