Undead persistence + Ashes to Ashes question
tetragrammaton
in combat, vamp A is going to torpor, and plays undead persistence; combat
goes on, and
in the subsequent rounds(same combat) vamp A receives enough aggravated
damage to be burned,
but plays ashes to ashes:
at that point, can vamp A plays undead persistence again, and keep
him/herself in combat?
thanks in advance,
Emiliano, v:ekn Prince of Rome
The Lasombra
> in combat, vamp A is going to torpor, and plays undead persistence;
> combat goes on, and in the subsequent rounds (same combat) vamp A
> receives enough aggravated damage to be burned, but plays ashes to
> ashes: at that point, can vamp A plays undead persistence again,
> and keep him/herself in combat?
No, it cannot play Undead Persistence again, because it will not
go to torpor until the combat is finished.
Just as the "go to torpor" effect of Disarm is delayed until the
end of combat by Undead Persistence, the "go to torpor instead" effect
of Ashes to Ashes will be delayed until combat actually ends.
LSJ 2002-02-11
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C67C186.22C0B084%40white-wolf.com
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if a vamp plays undead persistence when about to go to torpor, and
then in a later round plays ashes to ashes what happens? Does ATA
end combat? Or does the ATA effect only kick in when the vamp
finally goes to torpor after the rounds of undead persistence?
ATA doesn't end combat per se. It sends the vampire to torpor. Undead
Persistence prevents that effect. The rest of A2A's effect occurs
normally.
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Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
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tetragrammaton
news:47fc930bdc3e96db57e...@mygate.mailgate.org...
> "tetragrammaton" asked:
>
> > in combat, vamp A is going to torpor, and plays undead persistence;
> > combat goes on, and in the subsequent rounds (same combat) vamp A
> > receives enough aggravated damage to be burned, but plays ashes to
> > ashes: at that point, can vamp A plays undead persistence again,
> > and keep him/herself in combat?
>
> No, it cannot play Undead Persistence again, because it will not
> go to torpor until the combat is finished.
Ok, but i was meaning a different thing:
vamp A is being burned due aggro damage in combat,
vamp A plays Ashes to Ashes at the fortitude version
(then vampire A is not burned, but sent to torpor instead), can
vamp A plays undead persistence at that point (going into torpor
due AtA, and keeping himself in combat with UP)?
guess yes, but need some confirmation.
thanks again
EMiliano
LSJ
>
> "The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:47fc930bdc3e96db57e...@mygate.mailgate.org...
> > "tetragrammaton" asked:
> >
> > > in combat, vamp A is going to torpor, and plays undead persistence;
> > > combat goes on, and in the subsequent rounds (same combat) vamp A
> > > receives enough aggravated damage to be burned, but plays ashes to
> > > ashes: at that point, can vamp A plays undead persistence again,
> > > and keep him/herself in combat?
> >
> > No, it cannot play Undead Persistence again, because it will not
> > go to torpor until the combat is finished.
>
> Ok, but i was meaning a different thing:
> vamp A is being burned due aggro damage in combat,
> vamp A plays Ashes to Ashes at the fortitude version
> (then vampire A is not burned, but sent to torpor instead), can
> vamp A plays undead persistence at that point (going into torpor
> due AtA, and keeping himself in combat with UP)?
No, since AtA won't send him to torpor - the previously-played UP
is keeping him out of torpor, as The Lasombra said. The
previously-played UP keeps him in combat (and therefore he cannot
play another, since he isn't actually going to torpor at the time).
> guess yes, but need some confirmation.
See the post The Lasombra quoted for you below, which confirms the
opposite.
> thanks again
>
> EMiliano
>
> >
> > Just as the "go to torpor" effect of Disarm is delayed until the
> > end of combat by Undead Persistence, the "go to torpor instead" effect
> > of Ashes to Ashes will be delayed until combat actually ends.
> >
> >
> > LSJ 2002-02-11
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C67C186.22C0B084%40white-wolf.com
> >
> > ---------------------
> > if a vamp plays undead persistence when about to go to torpor, and
> > then in a later round plays ashes to ashes what happens? Does ATA
> > end combat? Or does the ATA effect only kick in when the vamp
> > finally goes to torpor after the rounds of undead persistence?
> >
> > ATA doesn't end combat per se. It sends the vampire to torpor. Undead
> > Persistence prevents that effect. The rest of A2A's effect occurs
> > normally.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Carpe noctem.
> >
> > Lasombra
> >
> > http://www.TheLasombra.com
> >
> >
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tetragrammaton
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> tetragrammaton wrote:
> >
> > "The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> > news:47fc930bdc3e96db57e...@mygate.mailgate.org...
> > > "tetragrammaton" asked:
> > >
> > > > in combat, vamp A is going to torpor, and plays undead persistence;
> > > > combat goes on, and in the subsequent rounds (same combat) vamp A
> > > > receives enough aggravated damage to be burned, but plays ashes to
> > > > ashes: at that point, can vamp A plays undead persistence again,
> > > > and keep him/herself in combat?
> > >
> > > No, it cannot play Undead Persistence again, because it will not
> > > go to torpor until the combat is finished.
> >
> > Ok, but i was meaning a different thing:
> > vamp A is being burned due aggro damage in combat,
> > vamp A plays Ashes to Ashes at the fortitude version
> > (then vampire A is not burned, but sent to torpor instead), can
> > vamp A plays undead persistence at that point (going into torpor
> > due AtA, and keeping himself in combat with UP)?
>
> No, since AtA won't send him to torpor - the previously-played UP
> is keeping him out of torpor, as The Lasombra said. The
> previously-played UP keeps him in combat (and therefore he cannot
> play another, since he isn't actually going to torpor at the time).
OK, assuming the vamp A has not previously played a undead persistance(same
combat),
can he play one just after playing ashes to ashes ?
thanks in advance once more
Emiliano
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The Lasombra
>OK, assuming the vamp A has not previously played a undead persistance(same
>combat), can he play one just after playing ashes to ashes ?
>thanks in advance once more
Yes.
The first time in a combat that a vampire is sent to torpor, it may
play an Undead Persistence to remain in combat.