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Siren's Lure + Yawp Court

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ira...@gmail.com

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Apr 28, 2008, 2:56:27 PM4/28/08
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Hello LSJ,

Vamp A1 calls a political action, Vamp B tries to block. Vamp A2
plays Siren's Lure. No more blocks are declared. Can Yawp Court be
used at this time? I believe no, because a combat is already queued.

If yes, can Vamp B be the one to do it (assuming he finds a way to
untap first) ? I believe moot, but sure.
If yes, and Vamp B ends up in torpor after the combat, then what
happens with the Siren's Lure combat? I believe this exemplifies why
the first answer is no, but in case I'm wrong, I'd say that the
Siren's Lure combat fizzles and nothing happens.

Thanks,
Ira

Siren's Lure
[cel] This vampire burns 2 blood to get +1 stealth.
[mel] Only usable by an untapped ready vampire other than the acting
minion when a minion attempts to block. That minion cannot block this
action. Tap this vampire and that minion. Once the action resolves,
this vampire enters combat with that minion.
[MEL] As above, but do not tap this modifying vampire.

Yawp Court
Master: unique location. Requires a ready Sabbat vampire.
Tap when a political action is successful, before the referendum, to
have a ready untapped Sabbat vampire you control tap and enter combat
with the acting vampire. If the acting vampire is still ready at the
end of combat, the Sabbat vampire takes 2 damage, and the referendum
is conducted as normal.

John Flournoy

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Apr 28, 2008, 5:07:24 PM4/28/08
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On Apr 28, 1:56 pm, "ira...@gmail.com" <ira...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello LSJ,
>
> Vamp A1 calls a political action, Vamp B tries to block. Vamp A2
> plays Siren's Lure. No more blocks are declared. Can Yawp Court be
> used at this time? I believe no, because a combat is already queued.

Look at it this way: If another block was declared and succeeded, the
combat resulting from that block is not annulled because of the
pending Siren's Lure combat. The existence of 'there will be a combat
later' due to Siren's Lure doesn't pre-empt any other combats during
the action - especially since that combat by definition doesn't occur
until after the action (and all of its resultant combats) resolves.


> If yes, can Vamp B be the one to do it (assuming he finds a way to
> untap first) ? I believe moot, but sure.

I'd think that Vamp B absolutely could be the one to do it.

> If yes, and Vamp B ends up in torpor after the combat, then what
> happens with the Siren's Lure combat? I believe this exemplifies why
> the first answer is no, but in case I'm wrong, I'd say that the
> Siren's Lure combat fizzles and nothing happens.

Vampires in torpor can't be in combat, so yes, it'd fizzle.

> Thanks,
> Ira
>
> Siren's Lure
> [cel] This vampire burns 2 blood to get +1 stealth.
> [mel] Only usable by an untapped ready vampire other than the acting
> minion when a minion attempts to block. That minion cannot block this
> action. Tap this vampire and that minion. Once the action resolves,
> this vampire enters combat with that minion.
> [MEL] As above, but do not tap this modifying vampire.
>
> Yawp Court
> Master: unique location. Requires a ready Sabbat vampire.
> Tap when a political action is successful, before the referendum, to
> have a ready untapped Sabbat vampire you control tap and enter combat
> with the acting vampire. If the acting vampire is still ready at the
> end of combat, the Sabbat vampire takes 2 damage, and the referendum
> is conducted as normal.

-John Flournoy

LSJ

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Apr 28, 2008, 8:16:38 PM4/28/08
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John Flournoy wrote:
> On Apr 28, 1:56 pm, "ira...@gmail.com" <ira...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello LSJ,
>>
>> Vamp A1 calls a political action, Vamp B tries to block. Vamp A2
>> plays Siren's Lure. No more blocks are declared. Can Yawp Court be
>> used at this time? I believe no, because a combat is already queued.
>
> Look at it this way: If another block was declared and succeeded, the
> combat resulting from that block is not annulled because of the
> pending Siren's Lure combat. The existence of 'there will be a combat
> later' due to Siren's Lure doesn't pre-empt any other combats during
> the action - especially since that combat by definition doesn't occur
> until after the action (and all of its resultant combats) resolves.

Correct.

>> If yes, can Vamp B be the one to do it (assuming he finds a way to
>> untap first) ? I believe moot, but sure.
>
> I'd think that Vamp B absolutely could be the one to do it.

Sure (assuming, as you say, that he finds some way to really untap so that Yawp
Court can target him).

>> If yes, and Vamp B ends up in torpor after the combat, then what
>> happens with the Siren's Lure combat? I believe this exemplifies why
>> the first answer is no, but in case I'm wrong, I'd say that the
>> Siren's Lure combat fizzles and nothing happens.
>
> Vampires in torpor can't be in combat, so yes, it'd fizzle.

Yep.

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