More Legbitery Cheating, or possibly not - LSJ?
legbiter
doing was OK. Now, however, i am sober, and a bit worried that i may
have cheated.
Gaspare Giovanni had just pulled off a burning wrath to stick Richter
into torpor. Michael announced that Frederick the weak, his only other
vampire, was going to rescue Richter as a +1 stealth action. So i
announced that i would block with Marciana Giovanni - Investigator [my
only other vampire], and i tapped her and burned one blood off her to
give her the required +1 intercept. The question is, was this legal? i
worry because of the difficulty of whether she CAN still block now
that she has been tapped to give a non-sabbat vampire [in this case
herself] the intercept.
Flux
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You bad man, cheating a poor, defenseless, 12 year old child! I hope
Frederick wasn't too weak to pound Manciana into torpor! ;-)
AFAIR, this is not legal, once tapped for the intercept Marciana can't block
(unless she wakes?). I remember this coming up before, maybe related to the
Starshell Grenade Launcher instead, but the answer should be the same.
Flux
LSJ
Not legal, correct. Tapped vampires cannot block (unless card text, e.g. Wake,
says otherwise).
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Jason Bell
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> Not legal, correct. Tapped vampires cannot block (unless card text, e.g.
Wake,
> says otherwise).
So, what is the precise mechanism?
Say Marciana wants to block an action that has +1 stealth.
Does Marciana tap when her block attempt (currently failing)
is announced?
If not, can Marciana play her ability on herself?
If so, does that cancel her block attempt? Cause it to fail?
If so, can Marciana play Wake to attempt to block again?
- Jason Bell
James Coupe
<Jason...@mail.com> writes
>Does Marciana tap when her block attempt (currently failing)
>is announced?
No. Announcing a block does not tap a vampire. (Though many players
indicate it with a slight shift of the card.)
>If not, can Marciana play her ability on herself?
Yes. She is currently attempting a block and can receive the intercept.
>If so, does that cancel her block attempt? Cause it to fail?
She is then in a position whereby she can no longer continue her attempt
to block; it stops it.
>If so, can Marciana play Wake to attempt to block again?
She could; intercept lasts for the duration of the action.
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>
> In message <0CHy7.273$jq6....@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>, Jason Bell
> <Jason...@mail.com> writes
> >Does Marciana tap when her block attempt (currently failing)
> >is announced?
>
Correct. The minion taps when the block succeeds [6.2.3]
> >If not, can Marciana play her ability on herself?
>
> Yes. She is currently attempting a block and can receive the intercept.
She can tap to give herself the ability, yes.
But then, tapped, she cannot use the ability (unless she wakes or untaps).
> >If so, does that cancel her block attempt? Cause it to fail?
>
> She is then in a position whereby she can no longer continue her attempt
> to block; it stops it.
Correct. This question used to come up for the Jyhad version of
Anarch Troublemaker.
> >If so, can Marciana play Wake to attempt to block again?
>
> She could; intercept lasts for the duration of the action.
Correct.
legbiter
> legbiter <legb...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:68f2e9f8.01101...@posting.google.com...
> > This happened last night and at the time i was SURE that what i was
> > doing was OK. Now, however, i am sober, and a bit worried that i may
> > have cheated.
> >
> > Gaspare Giovanni had just pulled off a burning wrath to stick Richter
> > into torpor. Michael announced that Frederick the weak, his only other
> > vampire, was going to rescue Richter as a +1 stealth action. So i
> > announced that i would block with Marciana Giovanni - Investigator [my
> > only other vampire], and i tapped her and burned one blood off her to
> > give her the required +1 intercept. The question is, was this legal? i
> > worry because of the difficulty of whether she CAN still block now
> > that she has been tapped to give a non-sabbat vampire [in this case
> > herself] the intercept.
>
> You bad man, cheating a poor, defenseless, 12 year old child!
Ah, but Michael turned 13 on Friday, so i'm in the clear there.
I hope
> Frederick wasn't too weak to pound Manciana into torpor! ;-)
Nah, i stopped him GOOOD. Then Sarah ousted Michael. Then i ousted
Sarah. Crime DOES pay, is the moral of this story.
>
> AFAIR, this is not legal, once tapped for the intercept Marciana can't block
> (unless she wakes?). I remember this coming up before, maybe related to the
> Starshell Grenade Launcher instead, but the answer should be the same.
i actually did have a wake, so COULD have played it legally.
>
>
> Flux
Jason Bell
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> James Coupe wrote:
> >
> > In message <0CHy7.273$jq6....@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>, Jason Bell
> > <Jason...@mail.com> writes
>
> >
> > She could; intercept lasts for the duration of the action.
>
> Correct.
So, if a blocking action of one of my minions fails for any
reason, I may attempt to block with that minion later during
that action (as long as it remains in my blocking phase)?
Say my Garou attempts to block an action, but fails because
he doesn't have enough intercept. I then try to block with
Raven (with Atonement), who also fails because of superior
Elder Impersonation.
May my Garou attempt to block again (this time I plan to
aid the attempt with KRCG)?
- Jason Bell
The Lasombra
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> So, if a blocking action of one of my minions fails for any
> reason, I may attempt to block with that minion later during
> that action (as long as it remains in my blocking phase)?
Yes, so long as the minion's block attempt didn't fail because
it was prohibited from blocking through card text.
> Say my Garou attempts to block an action, but fails because
> he doesn't have enough intercept. I then try to block with
> Raven (with Atonement), who also fails because of superior
> Elder Impersonation.
>
> May my Garou attempt to block again (this time I plan to
> aid the attempt with KRCG)?
Yes.
You could also do something similar with the Ravnos and Draba.
Your Ravnos attempts to block an action that is at stealth,
cannot block because of Elder Impersonation or Call of the Hungry Dead.
Your Ravnos can now play Draba to reduce the stealth to zero and
any minion not prohibited from blocking may attempt to block, even
if their prior block attempt failed.
See 6.2 of the online rulebook, here:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec6_2
"The target Methuselah may try to block the action with any of her
ready untapped minions.
If one attempt to block is unsuccessful, another attempt can be made."
Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
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LSJ
>
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> > James Coupe wrote:
> > >
> > > In message <0CHy7.273$jq6....@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>, Jason Bell
> > > <Jason...@mail.com> writes
> >
> > > >If so, can Marciana play Wake to attempt to block again?
> > >
> > > She could; intercept lasts for the duration of the action.
> >
> > Correct.
>
> So, if a blocking action of one of my minions fails for any
> reason, I may attempt to block with that minion later during
> that action (as long as it remains in my blocking phase)?
Yes, as given in 6.2.2.2 (pg.30). (IF "my blocking phase" is the
time between the action is announced and the time you say "I don't
block").
> Say my Garou attempts to block an action, but fails because
> he doesn't have enough intercept. I then try to block with
> Raven (with Atonement), who also fails because of superior
> Elder Impersonation.
>
> May my Garou attempt to block again (this time I plan to
> aid the attempt with KRCG)?
Yes.