[LSJ] Rötschreck and Undead Persis tance
Daneel
I gather that Rötschreck can only be played between the Choose Strikes
step and Strike Resolution. Does that mean that if the opposing vampire
strikes with first strike, I can elect to resolve his or her strike before
playing Rötschreck (as my eligible aggravated strike is yet to be
resolved?).
2. Undead Persistance
Does Undead Persistance make the vampire Wounded? I would think that it
requires additional text.
Meaning, that if Francisco Domingo de Polonia plays Entombment against
Kyle Strathcona, Cardinal of Canada, and Kyle plays inferior Undead
Persistance, he is not wounded _and_ cannot go to torpor. If Polonia plays
Wolf Claws during the next round and strikes for 1 aggravated hand, Kyle
will get wounded, but will not need to burn any blood (as that was the
first point of aggravated damage he recieved, which wounded him, but being
Wounded does not send him to torpor, as per undead persistance). Right?
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salem
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:25:56 GMT, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu> scrawled:
>1. Rötschreck:
>
>I gather that Rötschreck can only be played between the Choose Strikes
>step and Strike Resolution.
more anytime after a minion declares an attempt to inflict agg damage
(usually just DURING the choose strike phase).
let's try a corner case example:
vamp A is acting, B is blocking.
A plays Rapid Thought sup, making B choose strike before A does.
B chooses 'hand, agg w/ wolf claws'. B can now play Rotschrek even
before A chooses a strike.
> Does that mean that if the opposing vampire
>strikes with first strike, I can elect to resolve his or her strike before
>playing Rötschreck (as my eligible aggravated strike is yet to be
>resolved?).
nope, played during choose strike (if you're using a strike to trigger
the effect, which you will be 99.99% of the time), before any strikes
are resolved. First Strike means nothing to the Choose Strike step, it
only has meaning in Resolve Strikes.
>2. Undead Persistance
>
>Does Undead Persistance make the vampire Wounded? I would think that it
>requires additional text.
UP does not make you wounded. wounding a vampire makes him wounded,
which is what will normally create the opportunity to play UP.
>Meaning, that if Francisco Domingo de Polonia plays Entombment against
>Kyle Strathcona, Cardinal of Canada, and Kyle plays inferior Undead
>Persistance, he is not wounded _and_ cannot go to torpor. If Polonia plays
>Wolf Claws during the next round and strikes for 1 aggravated hand, Kyle
>will get wounded, but will not need to burn any blood (as that was the
>first point of aggravated damage he recieved, which wounded him, but being
>Wounded does not send him to torpor, as per undead persistance). Right?
right.
salem
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LSJ
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> i'll have a shot at these, while i wait for my dinner to cook...
>
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:25:56 GMT, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu> scrawled:
> >1. Rötschreck:
> >
> >I gather that Rötschreck can only be played between the Choose Strikes
> >step and Strike Resolution.
>
> more anytime after a minion declares an attempt to inflict agg damage
> (usually just DURING the choose strike phase).
>
> let's try a corner case example:
> vamp A is acting, B is blocking.
> A plays Rapid Thought sup, making B choose strike before A does.
> B chooses 'hand, agg w/ wolf claws'. B can now play Rotschrek even
> before A chooses a strike.
>
> > Does that mean that if the opposing vampire
> >strikes with first strike, I can elect to resolve his or her strike
before
> >playing Rötschreck (as my eligible aggravated strike is yet to be
> >resolved?).
>
> nope, played during choose strike (if you're using a strike to trigger
> the effect, which you will be 99.99% of the time), before any strikes
> are resolved. First Strike means nothing to the Choose Strike step, it
> only has meaning in Resolve Strikes.
Correct.
Except the 99.99% is 100% as of RTR 02-DEC-2004.
http://www.thelasombra.com/rules/RTR120204.txt
> >2. Undead Persistance
> >
> >Does Undead Persistance make the vampire Wounded? I would think that it
> >requires additional text.
>
> UP does not make you wounded. wounding a vampire makes him wounded,
> which is what will normally create the opportunity to play UP.
>
> >Meaning, that if Francisco Domingo de Polonia plays Entombment against
> >Kyle Strathcona, Cardinal of Canada, and Kyle plays inferior Undead
> >Persistance, he is not wounded _and_ cannot go to torpor. If Polonia
plays
> >Wolf Claws during the next round and strikes for 1 aggravated hand, Kyle
> >will get wounded, but will not need to burn any blood (as that was the
> >first point of aggravated damage he recieved, which wounded him, but
being
> >Wounded does not send him to torpor, as per undead persistance). Right?
>
> right.
Correct.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Cardlist_U#Undead_Persistence
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> "salem" <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7nvpt01hnvte6oo3r...@4ax.com...
> > i'll have a shot at these, while i wait for my dinner to cook...
> >
> > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:25:56 GMT, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu>
scrawled:
> > >Meaning, that if Francisco Domingo de Polonia plays Entombment
against
> > >Kyle Strathcona, Cardinal of Canada, and Kyle plays inferior Undead
> > >Persistance, he is not wounded _and_ cannot go to torpor. If
Polonia
> plays
> > >Wolf Claws during the next round and strikes for 1 aggravated hand,
Kyle
> > >will get wounded, but will not need to burn any blood (as that was
the
> > >first point of aggravated damage he recieved, which wounded him,
but
> being
> > >Wounded does not send him to torpor, as per undead persistance).
Right?
> >
> > right.
>
> Correct.
>
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Cardlist_U#Undead_Persistence
Um, while it's true that current online cardtext is clear (and so is the
latest physical printing in Anarchs, presumably), I don't think Daneel's
interpretation above was right.
As far as I can see, a vampire who plays Undead Persistence to avoid
torpor from Entombment is still wounded and still must burn blood to
avoid destruction if he receives aggravated damage in the same combat.
Undead Persistence card text: "(although he or she is still considered
wounded and can be burned as normal)" LSJ on the same question on
11-Jan-2001:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/313bf1335b50f482
Josh
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LSJ
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> Um, while it's true that current online cardtext is clear (and so is the
> latest physical printing in Anarchs, presumably), I don't think Daneel's
> interpretation above was right.
>
> As far as I can see, a vampire who plays Undead Persistence to avoid
> torpor from Entombment is still wounded and still must burn blood to
> avoid destruction if he receives aggravated damage in the same combat.
> Undead Persistence card text: "(although he or she is still considered
> wounded and can be burned as normal)" LSJ on the same question on
> 11-Jan-2001:
>
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/313bf1335b50f482
Right, sorry. I didn't read the example close enough.
The Persistent vampire is considered wounded, regardless of the nature
of the effect that enabled him to play Persistence.