Shadow Court Satyr question

witness1

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Jul 16, 2008, 6:00:27 PM7/16/08

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Given the third edition change to Shadow Court Satyr, he can now use
combat cards that require a vampire (such as Taste of Vitae).

This includes Amaranth.

If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt
referendum?

Thanks,
-witness1

LSJ

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Jul 16, 2008, 7:07:16 PM7/16/08

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witness1 wrote:
> Given the third edition change to Shadow Court Satyr, he can now use
> combat cards that require a vampire (such as Taste of Vitae).

Yes.

> This includes Amaranth.

No. [RTR 30-JUN-1997]

"13) Only vampires may commit diablerie. Effects that would allow something
other than a vampire to commit diablerie are ignored. For example, Amaranth
is useless if played on a Shadow Court Satyr. "

> If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt
> referendum?

Moot.

Rehlow

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Jul 16, 2008, 7:52:22 PM7/16/08

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LSJ wrote:
> witness1 wrote:
> > Given the third edition change to Shadow Court Satyr, he can now use
> > combat cards that require a vampire (such as Taste of Vitae).
>
> Yes.
>
> > This includes Amaranth.
>
> No. [RTR 30-JUN-1997]
>
> "13) Only vampires may commit diablerie. Effects that would allow something
> other than a vampire to commit diablerie are ignored. For example, Amaranth
> is useless if played on a Shadow Court Satyr. "
>

Oh man. I guess a half bottle of wine based decision wasn't going to
last forever.

Stupid precedents.

> > If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt
> > referendum?
>
> Moot.

If it wasn't moot there would be a blood hunt. The rulebook says that
a blood hunt is called on the diablerist and continues to refer to
them as a diablerist, not a vampire throughout the secton on
diablerie. It will continue to be moot until there is a reversal (if
ever) to the "only vampires can commit diablerie" ruling, though.

Later,
~Rehlow

witness1

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Jul 17, 2008, 10:12:32 AM7/17/08

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On Jul 16, 7:07 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:

> witness1 wrote:
> > If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt
> > referendum?
>
> Moot.

Thanks for the answer.

Relatedly, if a Satyr uses the effect of a Target Vitals (or other aim
card) on him, can it be canceled by discarding combat cards? The card
is not being played (not even played "not as normal" as I understand
it), so the effect of "cancel this card" is unclear.

Target Vitals
Type: Combat
Aim. Play when choosing a strike.
If any damage from this strike is successfully inflicted on the
opposing minion, he or she takes an additional 2 damage from this
strike, and he or she cannot press this round. The opposing minion may
discard two combat cards [COMBAT] to cancel this card. A minion may
play only one aim each strike.

Shadow Court Satyr (Changeling)
Type: Ally
Requires: Gangrel antitribu
Cost: 3 pool
Changeling with 3 life. 1 strength, 1 bleed.
When the Satyr enters play, you may put a combat card from your hand
on him. Once each combat, the Satyr may use the ability of that card
as if played from your hand. If the card requires a vampire (e.g.,
costs blood or requires a Discipline), he may use it as a vampire with
the basic level of the Discipline (if any).

Thanks again,
Witness1

LSJ

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Jul 17, 2008, 11:10:19 AM7/17/08

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witness1 wrote:
> On Jul 16, 7:07 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> witness1 wrote:
>>> If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt
>>> referendum?
>> Moot.
>
> Thanks for the answer.
>
> Relatedly, if a Satyr uses the effect of a Target Vitals (or other aim
> card) on him, can it be canceled by discarding combat cards?

Yes.

> The card
> is not being played (not even played "not as normal" as I understand
> it),

Card text: "as if played from your hand".

aaronmiller38

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Jul 21, 2008, 11:11:17 PM7/21/08

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Another such call would be Pack Alpha. Would the Satyr be able to get
the ally at the cost of a life?

LSJ

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Jul 22, 2008, 6:44:16 AM7/22/08

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aaronmiller38 wrote:
> Another such call would be Pack Alpha. Would the Satyr be able to get
> the ally at the cost of a life?

A retainer? yes. Card text.
(An ally? no).

Moreover, the Satyr could use Pack Alpha to get an animal retainer that itself
required Animalism, since he'd be using the Pack Alpha as a vampire with
Animalism. Card text.

Salem

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Jul 22, 2008, 9:24:50 AM7/22/08

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but i thought only the pack alpha would see him as having animalism, not
the retainer that requires ani?

this all sounds awfully familiar...

--
salem
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witness1

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Jul 22, 2008, 9:30:44 AM7/22/08

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He can play Pack Alpha as a vampire with animalism would.

A vampire with animalism would be able to play Pack Alpha to get an
Owl Companion or Raven Spy.

-witness1

aaronmiller38

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Jul 22, 2008, 11:00:02 AM7/22/08

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Opps, Yah thats what I meant to say. Didnt have the card on hand when
asking the question, but you got what I was asking.

Thanks