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Timing for Ilomba's effects (LSJ)

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<<yAn>>

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:27:35 AM6/17/09
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Who gets to decide the timings for damage done in combat that involve
a minion with Ilomba?

1) Simultaneous damage from a single source - The acting minion,
Minion A (1 blood left and with Ilomba), enters combat with Minion B
(with [tha]). Minion B plays basic Weather Control before range is
determined. Does A burn (takes 1 damage from Weather Control and burns
from Ilomba card text) or or go into torpor (burns 1 blood from Ilomba
card text and then takes 1 damage from Weather Control)? Would the
scenario be different if Minion A is not the acting minion?

2) Damage from different sources - The acting minion, Minion A (2
blood left and with Ilomba), enters combat with Minion B (with [ANI]).
Minion B plays sup. Carrion Crows before range is determined, then
moves to long with sup. Aid from Bats. B chooses to target the Ilomba
with the 1R damage from the aid from Bats. Does A burn (takes 2 damage
from Carrion Crows and burns from Ilomba card text) or or go into
torpor (burns 1 blood from Ilomba card text and then takes 2 damage
from Carrion Crows)? Would the scenario be different if Minion A is
not the acting minion?

One other slightly different question:
Minion A in scenario 2 above gets to play an Armor of Vitality and
prevent the damage from the Carrion Crows before damage is applied,
thus remains ready at 0 blood (pay 1 for Armor of Vitality and loses 1
to Ilomba card text). Is this the correct interpretation?

Ilomba
Cardtype: Retainer
Animal with 1 life. Requires a Laibon.
Put Ilomba on any minion (this is a +1 stealth (D) action if that
minion is controlled by another Methuselah). If Ilomba would burn a
life (or would otherwise be burned), this minion burns a blood or life
instead. If he or she cannot, he or she is burned. A minion may have
only one Ilomba.

Weather Control
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Thaumaturgy
Only usable before range is determined on the first round.
[tha] Both combatants and each of their retainers take 1 unpreventable
damage before range is determined each round. A vampire may play only
one Weather Control each combat.
[THA] As above, but the amount of damage inflicted increases by 1 in
each subsequent round.

Aid from Bats
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Animalism
[ani] Strike: 1R damage, with an optional maneuver.
[ANI] As above, with an optional press.

Carrion Crows
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Animalism
Only usable before range is chosen.
[ani] The opposing minion takes 1R damage each round of combat during
strike resolution. A vampire can play only one Carrion Crows each
combat.
[ANI] As above, but for 2R damage.

Armor of Vitality
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Fortitude
[for] Prevent 3 damage.
[FOR] As above, and if any of the damage was from the opposing
minion's melee weapon, that weapon is destroyed.

LSJ

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Jun 17, 2009, 6:27:03 AM6/17/09
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<<yAn>> wrote:
> Who gets to decide the timings for damage done in combat that involve
> a minion with Ilomba?
>
> 1) Simultaneous damage from a single source - The acting minion,
> Minion A (1 blood left and with Ilomba), enters combat with Minion B
> (with [tha]). Minion B plays basic Weather Control before range is
> determined. Does A burn (takes 1 damage from Weather Control and burns
> from Ilomba card text) or or go into torpor (burns 1 blood from Ilomba
> card text and then takes 1 damage from Weather Control)? Would the
> scenario be different if Minion A is not the acting minion?

The damage is simultaneous, so it is handled simultaneously. Minion A can burn a
blood or life for the damage done to Ilomba first or may burn a blood or life
for the damage done to xerself first.

> 2) Damage from different sources - The acting minion, Minion A (2
> blood left and with Ilomba), enters combat with Minion B (with [ANI]).
> Minion B plays sup. Carrion Crows before range is determined, then
> moves to long with sup. Aid from Bats. B chooses to target the Ilomba
> with the 1R damage from the aid from Bats. Does A burn (takes 2 damage
> from Carrion Crows and burns from Ilomba card text) or or go into
> torpor (burns 1 blood from Ilomba card text and then takes 2 damage
> from Carrion Crows)? Would the scenario be different if Minion A is
> not the acting minion?

This is the same scenario as 1: it doesn't matter how many sources are involved.
When dealing simultaneous damage, the damage is lumped altogether.

> One other slightly different question:
> Minion A in scenario 2 above gets to play an Armor of Vitality and
> prevent the damage from the Carrion Crows before damage is applied,
> thus remains ready at 0 blood (pay 1 for Armor of Vitality and loses 1
> to Ilomba card text). Is this the correct interpretation?

Yes. That is the only interpretation available, as far as I can tell.

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