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tetragrammaton

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Mar 21, 2001, 4:50:53 AM3/21/01
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A question about the superior version of Propaganda.
The text reads "<as above> and the methuselah you are bleeding taps
one of his or her minions".
I suppose that effect applies only if the action is succesful, right?
However, if this is right, the (official) text is confusing for me:
should not it reads:
"<as above> and if the action is succesful, the methuselah you bled taps one
of
his or her minions"?
Just my thought
Emiliano, Prince of Rome

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Halcyan 2

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Mar 21, 2001, 6:11:56 AM3/21/01
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>A question about the superior version of Propaganda.
>The text reads "<as above> and the methuselah you are bleeding taps
>one of his or her minions".
>I suppose that effect applies only if the action is succesful, right?
>However, if this is right, the (official) text is confusing for me:
>should not it reads:
>"<as above> and if the action is succesful, the methuselah you bled taps one
>of
>his or her minions"?

Correct. The minion is only tapped if the action is successful. I have no idea
why the text wasn't made more clear though.

Halcyan 2

LSJ

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Mar 21, 2001, 6:53:39 AM3/21/01
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Because it is an action card. *All* action cards are worded this way, which
is completely clear.

Computer Hacking doesn't need to say "(D) Bleed, you prey burns an additional
pool if the action is successful"

Arson doesn't need to say "(D) burn a location if the action is successful".

Etc.

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tetragrammaton

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Mar 21, 2001, 10:28:25 AM3/21/01
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Halcyan 2 wrote:
> >
> > >A question about the superior version of Propaganda.
> > >The text reads "<as above> and the methuselah you are bleeding taps
> > >one of his or her minions".
> > >I suppose that effect applies only if the action is succesful, right?
> > >However, if this is right, the (official) text is confusing for me:
> > >should not it reads:
> > >"<as above> and if the action is succesful, the methuselah you bled
taps one
> > >of
> > >his or her minions"?
> >
> > Correct. The minion is only tapped if the action is successful. I have
no idea
> > why the text wasn't made more clear though.
>
> Because it is an action card. *All* action cards are worded this way,
which
> is completely clear.
>
> Computer Hacking doesn't need to say "(D) Bleed, you prey burns an
additional
> pool if the action is successful"
>
> Arson doesn't need to say "(D) burn a location if the action is
successful".
>
> Etc.

Forgive me, Scott, but i'm referring to the "you are bleeding" part of the
text,
that seem to refer "while" the action is in progress.
So:
<as above> and the methuselah taps one of his or her minion".
Would not be clearer this way?
Best
Emiliano, vekn Prince of Rome

LSJ

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Mar 21, 2001, 11:26:03 AM3/21/01
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tetragrammaton wrote:
>
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:3AB89643...@white-wolf.com...
> > Halcyan 2 wrote:
> > >
> > > >A question about the superior version of Propaganda.
> > > >The text reads "<as above> and the methuselah you are bleeding taps
> > > >one of his or her minions".
[...]

> Forgive me, Scott, but i'm referring to the "you are bleeding" part of the
> text,
> that seem to refer "while" the action is in progress.

It may, or it may refer to "when" the action is resolved

Since it's not used in the context of timing, it makes no difference, however.
It serves only to refer to "who" is to tap a minion.

See also Foreshadowing of Destruction - if you are deflected to a Methuselah with
more than 9 pool, you don't get the bonus, even though you may have played the
card "while" you were bleeding a Methuselah who had only 5 pool.

> So:
> <as above> and the methuselah taps one of his or her minion".
> Would not be clearer this way?

I don't see that as any clearer, since you've merely removed text that
did nothing other than identify the Methuselah.

The removal also increases the likelyhood of questions about the
effect a Deflection would have (regarding whose minion is to be tapped).

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