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James Coupe
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legb...@my-dejanews.com
combat being no more than a way of beefing up stealth-bleed. Post 7/7 and
with the restoration of Rotshreck to its correct meaning, out-of-turn
Malkavian rush- combat is now essentially unstoppable [Madness network, Rush
out of turn, concealed weapon for a flamethrower or ivory bow and then
Rotschreck.... or if the environement is animalistic, use the pro strikes
instead .... this seems to me the only deck-type where Body of Sun is at all
useful]. Elysium and Obedience are the only realistic defences against this
strategy, and Hidden lurker and Fast reaction make even these iffy. Also,
usually you won't even need the Rotschreck.
For the true stealth-bleed deck i reckon obf manouevers, concealed weapon,
Deer rifle with a VERY few DBRs is the way to go.
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K Fehlberg
: ...[Madness network, Rush
: out of turn, concealed weapon for a flamethrower or ivory bow and then
I am under the impression that this combination does not work,
since it is esentially the acting Methuselah's turn. One cannot play
reaction and Master-out-of-Turn cards (Rotschreck) on one's turn. Am
I wrong about this?
-Seeds of Corruption says PREY? Fehlberg; Anarch Boatrocker
Chris Berger
>
> legb...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : ...[Madness network, Rush
> : out of turn, concealed weapon for a flamethrower or ivory bow and then
> : Rotschreck...
>
> I am under the impression that this combination does not work,
> since it is esentially the acting Methuselah's turn. One cannot play
> reaction and Master-out-of-Turn cards (Rotschreck) on one's turn. Am
> I wrong about this?
>
by "acting Methuselah," you mean the controller of the Malkavian who is
acting via the Madness Network, then it is not his turn. There's no
"essentially" about it. A Master-out-of-Turn may not be played on your
own turn. There's no restriction about playing Master-out-of-Turn cards
on someone else's turn just because you control the acting vampire.
-Chris
James Coupe
writes
>Nice newsletter! However i think you are unduly defeatist about Malkavian
>combat being no more than a way of beefing up stealth-bleed.
I wasn't meaning to suggest that that was how it should *only* be used,
merely that it would be a nice way to bolster up stealth bleed.
Malkavian combat is practical, not easy, but possible.
> Post 7/7 and
>with the restoration of Rotshreck to its correct meaning, out-of-turn
>Malkavian rush- combat is now essentially unstoppable [Madness network, Rush
>out of turn, concealed weapon for a flamethrower or ivory bow and then
>Rotschreck....
White Phosphorus Grenade is cheaper, not unique and doesn't burn if
Rotschrecked (its burning being an effect of its resolution).
> or if the environement is animalistic, use the pro strikes
>instead ....
There are a few nice vampires with Protean, but it might require a bit
of bolstering :(
>this seems to me the only deck-type where Body of Sun is at all
>useful].
Expensive, though. Perhaps Body Flare might be an alternative? And
what *does* happen if someone SRs your Rotschreck? :(
>Elysium and Obedience are the only realistic defences against this
>strategy,
True, true.
>and Hidden lurker and Fast reaction make even these iffy.
Hidden Lurker would be playable but I couldn't play fast reaction
because it would be my action I was reacting to, as I understand that
particular ruling.
>Also,
>usually you won't even need the Rotschreck.
>
Well, if you want to survive the combat, I would suggest you do. Malks
aren't kitted out for combat survival and if you want to do well if a
Brujah deck is your prey, then..... (although that might make the three
weapons mentioned so far unplayable, because they wouldn't be usable
under IG, so consider Sengir Dagger and Protean as mention).
Malkavian's Teach the Three "R"s (rush, rotschreck and rip). Run in,
aggro damage, rotschreck, sacrifical lamb. Pretty good fun if I do say
so myself.
>For the true stealth-bleed deck i reckon obf manouevers, concealed weapon,
>Deer rifle with a VERY few DBRs is the way to go.
It's possible. I was looking more at a way of making a more "fun" deck.
At least one deck at GenCon (Barney's I think) was stealth bleed with
fortitude thrown in. Quite nice to watch in action. Some small weapons
is do-able and Deer Rifle, with 2 maneuvers, helps guarantee you range.
--
James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England)
Vampire: Elder Kindred Network
http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net
LSJ
> : out of turn, concealed weapon for a flamethrower or ivory bow and then
>
> I am under the impression that this combination does not work,
> since it is esentially the acting Methuselah's turn. One cannot play
> reaction and Master-out-of-Turn cards (Rotschreck) on one's turn. Am
> I wrong about this?
It is not the acting Methuselah's turn. She is having her Malk take
an action on someone else's turn (card text on Madness Network).
--
L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules:
http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html
K Fehlberg
: It is not the acting Methuselah's turn. She is having her Malk take
: an action on someone else's turn (card text on Madness Network).
So it is possible to have a Malkavian call a vote on someone
else's turn via the Madness Network, and have another minion controlled
by the same "acting" Methuselah play reaction cards like pulling strings?
-K Fehlberg
James Coupe
<kmfe...@ouray.cudenver.edu> writes
> So it is possible to have a Malkavian call a vote on someone
>else's turn via the Madness Network, and have another minion controlled
>by the same "acting" Methuselah play reaction cards like pulling strings?
No. The controller of the acting minion cannot play reaction cards with
his/her minions.
LSJ
>
> LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) wrote:
> : It is not the acting Methuselah's turn. She is having her Malk take
> : an action on someone else's turn (card text on Madness Network).
>
> else's turn via the Madness Network, and have another minion controlled
> by the same "acting" Methuselah play reaction cards like pulling strings?
No. Reaction cards can only be played during the action of another
Methuselah's minion. [1.6.3.5]