Anathema, Paying cost, Rothscreck LSJ
Blooded Sand
Vamp A with Assault rifle is in combat with Vamp B. Vamp B has 1 blood
and Anathema. Vamp B plays Breath of the dragon, paying 1, then tries
to play Rotschreck.
I said this is impossible as the moment the blood cost of BothD is
met, the vampire burns. Opposing player says that Rothschreck can be
played as the strike is being attempted.
Who is correct here?
LSJ
You are.
Blooded Sand
Thank you
Blooded Sand
Just so I am able to explain it better to them than I was able to last
night (language barrier, beer et al) please explain to me the exact
reasons why this is so? Thank you
LSJ
You said it: because when B plays Breath of the Dragon, he pays the cost, which
reduces him to zero, which causes him to be burned by Anathema.
Rötshreck cannot be played until after the strike is declared, at which time
there's no longer an "opposing minion attempting to inflict aggravated damage",
so Rötschreck's condition is not met and it cannot be played.
Blooded Sand
So basically, you pay for your strike, then you attempt it?
And in between the pay and attempt, anathema realises you are empty
and pops you.
LSJ
> On Apr 13, 6:31 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> Blooded Sand wrote:
>>>>>> This came up last night:
>>>>>> Vamp A with Assault rifle is in combat with Vamp B. Vamp B has 1 blood
>>>>>> and Anathema. Vamp B plays Breath of the dragon, paying 1, then tries
>>>>>> to play Rotschreck.
>> You said it: because when B plays Breath of the Dragon, he pays the cost, which
>> reduces him to zero, which causes him to be burned by Anathema.
>>
>> Rötshreck cannot be played until after the strike is declared, at which time
>> there's no longer an "opposing minion attempting to inflict aggravated damage",
>> so Rötschreck's condition is not met and it cannot be played.
>
> So basically, you pay for your strike, then you attempt it?
> And in between the pay and attempt, anathema realises you are empty
> and pops you.
You have to announce a strike in order to attempt it.
You have to play the strike card (and pay the cost) in order to announce it.
Rötschreck cannot be played before the attempt.
Anathema pops you when you are empty (which occurs when you pay the cost).
Blooded Sand
Thank you
henrik
> You have to announce a strike in order to attempt it.
> You have to play the strike card (and pay the cost) in order to announce it.
This makes me wonder how a vampire can play Read Intentions, and then
afterwards announce to Strike: Dodge when in combat with Ossian.
Sorry for the minor hijacking here, but I felt it connected somewhat.
There's a difference in that the vampire doesn't burn in between
playing and announcing, but if Anathema can kick in and do it's stuff
I don't see why Ossian can't.
Old ruling:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0cda5edb601856af
From the thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/611a794e4cc126d0/0cda5edb601856af
Card text:
Ossian
Type: Ally
Cost: 3 pool
Unique werewolf with 4 life. 2 strength, 0 bleed. Red List.
Ossian may enter combat with any vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action.
In the first round of combat with a vampire who has played a card that
requires Auspex [aus] during this action, that vampire cannot use any
maneuvers or strikes. Ossian gains 1 life at the end of each round for
each blood the opposing vampire used to heal damage or prevent
destruction that round.
Read Intentions
Type: Combat
Requires: Auspex
[aus] Press, only usable to end combat.
[AUS] Strike: dodge.
Chris Berger
> On Apr 13, 6:35 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
> > You have to announce a strike in order to attempt it.
> > You have to play the strike card (and pay the cost) in order to announce it.
>
> This makes me wonder how a vampire can play Read Intentions, and then
> afterwards announce to Strike: Dodge when in combat with Ossian.
>
Umm... he can't. What he *can* do, however, is play a Read Intentions
to declare a Strike: Dodge. Once he's played that Read Intentions,
then he can't use any other strikes in the first round.
> Sorry for the minor hijacking here, but I felt it connected somewhat.
> There's a difference in that the vampire doesn't burn in between
> playing and announcing, but if Anathema can kick in and do it's stuff
> I don't see why Ossian can't.
>
Anathema doesn't, however, prevent the vampire from declaring Breath
of the Dragon as his strike (or from playing Wolf Claws to make his
hand damage aggravated), what happens is that the vampire empties
himself before you can play Rotschreck, and you can't *interrupt* him
burning in order to play your card.
henrik
> On Apr 13, 1:16 pm, henrik <www.hen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 13, 6:35 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
> > > You have to announce a strike in order to attempt it.
> > > You have to play the strike card (and pay the cost) in order to announce it.
>
> > This makes me wonder how a vampire can play Read Intentions, and then
> > afterwards announce to Strike: Dodge when in combat with Ossian.
>
> Umm... he can't. What he *can* do, however, is play a Read Intentions
> to declare a Strike: Dodge. Once he's played that Read Intentions,
> then he can't use any other strikes in the first round.
Did you read the ruling in the link I posted? If so, please tell me
how to read LSJ's post to make it say what you're saying.
It might be me having all this backwards (I sure hope so, since I find
that Ossian ruling weird), but in my eyes the link makes it pretty
clear that you can play Read Intentions and use the Strike: Dodge vs
Ossian.
LSJ
That's what Chris said you can do.
You said above that you wonder how the vampire can play Read Intentions and
*then afterward* declare a strike: dodge.
But in fact what happens is that the vampire plays Read Intentions *to* declare
a strike: dodge.
Chris Berger
"Perhaps something like:
He played it, so he's using it. The use will conclude when the
strike resolves." - LSJ. -From the thread you linked to.
Which is what I said.
He can't "play Read Intentions and *then* use a Strike: Dodge." (I'm
assuming by "and then", you mean as an additional strike, because when
you declare that your strike is Read Intentions, there's no "and then"
involved at all). He certainly can play the Read Intentions for the
Strike:Dodge that it provides.
henrik
> > Did you read the ruling in the link I posted? If so, please tell me
> > how to read LSJ's post to make it say what you're saying.
> > It might be me having all this backwards (I sure hope so, since I find
> > that Ossian ruling weird), but in my eyes the link makes it pretty
> > clear that you can play Read Intentions and use the Strike: Dodge vs
> > Ossian.
>
> "Perhaps something like:
> He played it, so he's using it. The use will conclude when the
> strike resolves." - LSJ. -From the thread you linked to.
>
> Which is what I said.
>
> He can't "play Read Intentions and *then* use a Strike: Dodge." (I'm
> assuming by "and then", you mean as an additional strike, because when
> you declare that your strike is Read Intentions, there's no "and then"
> involved at all). He certainly can play the Read Intentions for the
> Strike:Dodge that it provides.
I meant "and then" as in after having played Read Intentions.
I figured that "You have to announce a strike in order to attempt it.
You have to play the strike card (and pay the cost) in order to
announce it. " meant that those things happened with a short window
inbetween. Seems that was wrong though, even if I think it's weird.