Stern Rolling Stones ad
MrBally
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq290/mrbally/100_6980.jpg
trailiajohn
> In the January, 2011 issue of RePlay Magazine.
>
> http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq290/mrbally/100_6980.jpg
Barf.
PT
> In the January, 2011 issue of RePlay Magazine.
>
> http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq290/mrbally/100_6980.jpg
Cool.
John
Abby Normal
> In the January, 2011 issue of RePlay Magazine.
>
> http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq290/mrbally/100_6980.jpg
I'm sure my parents will be thrilled.
VDOJAQ
Your reply made me lose it! Damn funny!
ldnayman
Too bad it isn't Tron.
The...@thekorn.net
> In the January, 2011 issue of RePlay Magazine.
>
> http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq290/mrbally/100_6980.jpg
Apparently the market research Stern paid for came back and said that
they need to push hard into the Pharmacy and Nursing Home markets.
`•Starfighter••
Yep. The fine print says " Free walker & denture cleaning with every
purchase "....woohoo
RandyV
Randy
greatw...@hotmail.com
If its a decent pin I will get one. Not a huge Stones fan, but others
& my brother are.
Jim D. in TN
> Yep. The fine print says " Free walker & denture cleaning with every
> purchase "....woohoo
I am curious though. What are the demographics of the audiences at
Stones concerts? I've attended three Stones concerts beginning in
1963 (only 1100 attendees) but I'm too old to go now. I'd be afraid I
couldn't dodge the flying beer bottles and firecrackers like at the
Akron Rubber Bowl in 1973.
ldnayman
I get it!
Cause the Stones are old!
Funny dude.
CEllison
The argument can be made that this pin will do just as good as any
other new Stern release but I whole heartedly disagree. The original
Stones pin was absolute rubbish and this band is waaaaaaay too far
past prime. I stand my ground and say curb appeal gets the first
quarter drop. The theme alone couldn't possibly be cool and the
youngsters will look at it and say, "meh..... wtf is that?!". Doesn't
matter how great a player it is if she ain't got no curb appeal you
dirty critters.
I predict this pin will freaking tank big time. I am being immortally
quoted ;-)
And this thing better not kill Stern because I want my freaking
Tron!!!!!
-=Chris=-
ldnayman
I was at a couple Stones shows last time around and the demographics
were as you'd expect - 30s-50s, not counting kids and teenagers
brought by parents.
Abby Normal
> I am curious though. What are the demographics of the audiences at
> Stones concerts? I've attended three Stones concerts beginning in
> 1963 (only 1100 attendees) but I'm too old to go now. I'd be afraid I
> couldn't dodge the flying beer bottles and firecrackers like at the
> Akron Rubber Bowl in 1973.
I'm not sure. My mom, who is in her early 60s was a huge fan back in
the day. And most people my age (I'm 38) grew up with them. I like
them, but I don't find them to be terribly meaningful of relevant to
me. I'm more of a Beatles fan.
I think the biggest fans are in the 50 and up age group. Which means
Gary is getting closer, after all WOF was a theme that mostly appealed
to the 70 and up crowd!
But I don't think the young market cares at all. As much as I hate
saying it, perhaps something more current, like Lady Gaga might
attract the 20+ audience.
`•Starfighter••
> I don't get it. Stern wants to generate new blood and uses this band?
> The argument can be made that this pin will do just as good as any
> other new Stern release but I whole heartedly disagree. The original
> Stones pin was absolute rubbish and this band is waaaaaaay too far
> past prime. I stand my ground and say curb appeal gets the first
> quarter drop. The theme alone couldn't possibly be cool and the
> youngsters will look at it and say, "meh..... wtf is that?!". Doesn't
> matter how great a player it is if she ain't got no curb appeal you
> dirty critters.
>
Well, they have to get it out soon 'cause "good ole Mic" is really
going to be "good ole Mic" at 70yrs in 2013. I guess they're figuring
that Gandalf was 70 and LOTR was a pretty good pin so Mic at 70 will
be a good pin too. I can see a line of 65 yr old GILF's lining up to
grab the plunger - yech!
bayoubilly1970
> In the January, 2011 issue of RePlay Magazine.
>
> http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq290/mrbally/100_6980.jpg
Kick ass! Think Stern will think outside the box and only put Keef
sung songs for the background music ?
Just sittin' on a fence...
ldnayman
Who is good ole Mic?
Flippedout
> In the January, 2011 issue of RePlay Magazine.
>
> http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq290/mrbally/100_6980.jpg
Maybe they will use same layout for Nickelback or other bands.
Big Daddy
in the goodie bag, and someone's teenage daughter ripe for marriage?
Maybe a "Buy One and Get a Free Power Scooter" promo for the better
Stern ops?
How about some large-sized print on the pf inserts?
Maybe instead of a cup caddy, you can buy an add-on plastic pill
keeper with those days of the week stamped in it?
Thank you Stern - you just increased the long-term value of my WMS
games, LOL.
Great marketing.
LOL.
BD
Abby Normal
Nickelback? I would set fire to the Stern factory myself!
ldnayman
Also, the stones are old.
They take metamucil...har har har....
`•Starfighter••
Sorry, The letter * doesn't wor* on my computer *eboard. I have to
get another *eboard before I *ill myself.
-Mi*e
CEllison
DAY! (FEZ that 70's show)
On a serious note - FFS why not use Journey? They in my mind are truly
an epic band. Go to a Karaoke bar sometime and watch someone sing a
Journey song. Then look around and you'll be amazed how many people
are singing along! Everyone and their neighbors dog seems to know
Journey.
But to be honest I'm not that much on music themed pins either - while
I could respect a journey pin I don't think I'd line up to buy one
either.
While a lot of the recent releases are turds to me, I truly believe
the Tron pin is going to be one of their finest top 3 ever. While the
movie itself (either one) may not be a favorite here, if Stern kicks
the themes ass (everyone ooohs and ahhhhs over CV's lights) then whips
out two ramps, 3 flippers and maybe relocates the pops to a "non
standard" position and the main toy kicks ass .....oh man I'm
salivating and half erect. You can bet a translite like Avatar will be
made and I have yet to hear anyone complain about Avatars audio
package either. Oh yes let us not forget adding a power ball ....
mmmmm freaking tastee!
-=Chris=-
On Jan 4, 7:59 pm, `•Starfighter•• <starfighter...@gmail.com> wrote:
ldnayman
Hilarious if true!
ldnayman
> How dare you compare Mick to Gandalf - I say good day to you sir! GOOD
> DAY! (FEZ that 70's show)
>
> On a serious note - FFS why not use Journey? They in my mind are truly
> an epic band. Go to a Karaoke bar sometime and watch someone sing a
> Journey song. Then look around and you'll be amazed how many people
> are singing along! Everyone and their neighbors dog seems to know
> Journey.
Ugggg...jeezl...
Yeah, you go into a kararoke bar and everyone is singing ONE Journey
song. You know the one. Win lose...play the blues blahblah...
Journey is a cheesy ass band...I know they sold lots of records but
it's AOR garbage at it's worst.
A Stern pinball playing "Don't Stop Believin'" over and over again
would drive me insane.
treborlicec
Ahh, c'mon. I'm sure the game would welcome you with "open arms" LOL
CEllison
Like GNR Sweet Child O mine riff being played over and over and over
doesn;t suck?
I think it's probably safe to say Journey had more hits than GNR and
they got their pin made..... just sayin.
I have yet to play a band themed pin that really "did" it for me.
KISS PIN - pllwwhhhh
Rolling Stones - - pllwwhhhh
Ted Nugent - - pllwwhhhh
GNR - much better but the repetitious SCOM riff killed it for me
Captain Fantastic - Elton John - regardless major pllwwhhhh
The point is not to use Journey but there are many more (IMHO) better
options Stern could've chosen. I;d bet dollars to donuts TRS pin was
Garys idea.
Expat
Ahh once again yer musical ignorance rears its pitiful head
The first three albums before Steve Perry joined the band are really
quite good
And Neal Schon was blazing away w/ Santana when he was only 16
Gregg Rollie came from Santana as well
People I know who saw
Santana live back in the very early 70's state emphatically that Schon
was out muscling Carlos on stage almost every night
No mean feat for a 16 year old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBuHXXfn5Bg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0og6Rv4jHs&playnext=1&list=PLC6AAADD6B51014E0&index=13
Some more Neal comin atcha boyo!
Jason
>
> - Show quoted text -
GNR plays the Sweet Child riff when you start a mode. So if you're
hearing it more than like 7-8 times a game, then you are playing RIOT
Wizard mode every game. You must really dislike the song to feel
it's that repetitive. Now, the Jungle riff is played constantly
during the game, if there's any riff that's repetitious it's Jungle.
This is turning into a typical TRS thread: "It's should've been
Journey!' "They should've made an ACDC pin instead! (Oh but it's $50k
per song)" "Mick and Keith are OLD! And here's my witty joke on them
being old so you think I'm witty and not old" and blah blah blah.
As for the teaser ad, I'm just glad it's officially official now and
can't wait to see the new game. See, cause I like pinball.
frenchy
I'm guessing they are right in the age range of the remaining location
pinball customers so that might be a good thing...
Brighton Ive
> This is turning into a typical TRS thread: "It's should've been
> Journey!' "They should've made an ACDC pin instead! (Oh but it's $50k
> per song)" "Mick and Keith are OLD! And here's my witty joke on them
> being old so you think I'm witty and not old" and blah blah blah.
>
> As for the teaser ad, I'm just glad it's officially official now and
+1 to that
....but seeing how Journey has been mentioned I will just say that
here in Europe I cannot remember the last time I heard ANYONE mention
Journey in any context. Seriously. So to even think there would be a
pinball machine themed on them to me seems madness.
skbrothers
> Santana live back in the very early 70's state emphatically that Schon
> was out muscling Carlos on stage almost every night
Agreed!
Schon is among the guitar elite in my book.
Back in the 80's I despised Journey, mainly because they were over
played on the radio, and by my teenage sisters. They seemed sappy and
cheesy compared to the heavier stuff I liked listening to (Led
Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Rush...etc).
But fast forward to today, my view has softened and I appreciate their
music a 100X more. They wrote some really great songs, and my wife
and I have enjoyed many a Friday night watching their 2001 concert DVD
filmed in Las Vegas...great DVD by the way!
Steve
vivasantana
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yea and what has Schon done in the last 2-3 decades?
While Carlos is still rockin with a variety of musical genius since
the mid 60's
Traveling the World virtually non stop.
Rock on Carlos, Rock on...
Rob
madtownmoxie
What I don't quite get is the timing. Why the Stones first and From
in the spring? The Stones aren't going anywhere (probably) and its
release doesn't really coincide with anything. WHY NOT do From first
and at least get it out there while the movie is still in
theaters...it was the same with Avatar. Is it possible that the
licensing fees are less if they release later? What? Someone explain
this to me. Thanks
ldnayman
All I'm gonna say is that this tool got on me for going to see Roger
Waters..."Corporate rock at it's finest."
And then he comes in here with this Journey bullshit.
Holy shit. Well yeah...Roger Waters isn't quite as "Indie" as Journey,
but....wow....I mean really...
ldnayman
> What I don't quite get is the timing. Why the Stones first and From
> in the spring? The Stones aren't going anywhere (probably) and its
> release doesn't really coincide with anything. WHY NOT do From first
> and at least get it out there while the movie is still in
> theaters...it was the same with Avatar. Is it possible that the
> licensing fees are less if they release later? What? Someone explain
> this to me. Thanks
I'm gonna nominate this for most bizarre typo of the year.
ldnayman
Seriously though...I know this whole "first singer was awesome" thing
of yours is kind of your bit, and I'm more than happy for you to go on
believing that nothing AC/DC did after 1979 is good, or Maiden after
1980 etc...but are you SERIOUS with this Journey shit?
It's always been hard to take you seriously...but this is beyond the
pale.
Do you really think a Journey pinball machine would have anything to
do with the pre-Perry stuff they did that nobody but a few expatriot
hipsters and Journey lunatics have ever even heard?
Most likely not.
I know you are looking for a new job since the Wayne/Mr Pinball
Australia sock puppet position was cut, but hipster douchebag rock
critic might be stretching it a bit for you.
Keep it coming though...it's comedy gold. I'm dying to hear your
thoughts on Al Atkins' tenure in Judas Priest, and how much better it
is than anything that came after...
Max Badazz
Too bad it isn't Duran Duran.
Chris (in NH)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/maxbadazz
Mark Clayton
played recorded music, using a cassette player and tape loop.
The game also had little digitized images of the band on
the screen, another first for a mainstream arcade game.
This any reason to do a Journey pinball machine? NO!
-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com
John Wart, jr
Best.... post... evar!
Rare Hero
(Tron Typo corrected)
> What I don't quite get is the timing. Why the Stones first and Tron
> in the spring? The Stones aren't going anywhere (probably) and its
> and at least get it out there while the movie is still in
> theaters...it was the same with Avatar. Is it possible that the
> licensing fees are less if they release later? What? Someone explain
> this to me. Thanks
I will explain it. Releasing a pinball in time for a movie is
MEANINGLESS. The strength of a movie license is not in the timing,
but the timeless appeal of the license. Tron's been around for about
30 years. Hardcore Tron geeks do not love tron less in April '11 vs.
December '10. I love Iron Man and Spider-Man....I don't stop playing
my pinball machiens because the movies came out a few year ago - those
characters are TIMELESS. The people who love Avatar will continue to
love Avatar. Also - the advantage to producing a movie based pin
AFTER the movie comes out is that then Stern has access to all audio,
video, art, and story.
Greg
ldnayman
> Funny that the old Journey video game was the first that
> played recorded music, using a cassette player and tape loop.
>
> The game also had little digitized images of the band on
> the screen, another first for a mainstream arcade game.
>
> This any reason to do a Journey pinball machine? NO!
>
I had no idea that video game had a tape. I'd only played the awful
Atari 2600 version of it. It had a really bad synth of the first
couple bars of...wait for it....Don't Stop Believin'!
Another thing about the Journey game - it was prototyped with a
digital camera that would take a picture of your face when you got a
high score. Of course, it took about 10 minutes for the first photo of
someone's balls to show up in the high scores, so they decided it
would be prudent to remove that feature.
Joe S
time. Yes, they're way old now, but their best songs still get
constant play on the classic rock stations and they are a household
name. I think more folks are going to be inclined to put a RS machine
in their basement, than say a Coldplay machine - especially people
looking to buy just one game for their gameroom. I think it's a fine
choice for a music-themed pin. I'm really hoping they put the classic
songs in the game, not the current material (if there is any current
material)! Primarily though, I'm hoping we see something a little
different than Stern's recent offerings (which were fine, imho, but
it's time for something more as the last 3 felt too similar to one
another).
Dan Q very much
> The Rolling Stones are arguably one of the top rock bands of all
> time. Yes, they're way old now, but their best songs still get
> constant play on the classic rock stations and they are a household
> name. I think more folks are going to be inclined to put a RS machine
I disagree about "arguably," they certainly are "one of the top rock
bands of all time." Their time was was a long time ago, is the
problem.
Like any potential game, it may be executed brilliantly, and it may
suck, but it will probably land somewhere in between. Lets hope it
doesn't suck, this may have been Gary's personal dream game and he may
pull out all the stops for it. Here's hoping it's not a "last hurrah"
situation though.
Oh, and it's TRS! RS=Road Show!
nepinplayer
Now That's Funny.........They could do Flock of Seagulls after.What a
lineup
that would be.ROFLMAO!!
I just hope it is a good playing game regardless of the theme and not
a rehash of
playfields past.
madtownmoxie
OK I Do get what You are saying and do no disagree with the fact that
tron geeks have been tron geeks for thirty years (me being one of
the) but why not piggy back on the timeliness of the millions of
dollars of promotion that went into the movie at the time the movie
comes out? It would certainly possibly add to those machines on
route where a non (insert title or subject here ie. TRON ) geek could
be interested in dropping some quarters because the movie looked
interesting. I guess I was originally coming from more of a playing
on route perspective rather than an in home perspective..
madtownmoxie
from=tron for those that can't figure it out.
Rare Hero
> OK I Do get what You are saying and do no disagree with the fact that
> tron geeks have been tron geeks for thirty years (me being one of
> the) but why not piggy back on the timeliness of the millions of
> dollars of promotion that went into the movie at the time the movie
> comes out? It would certainly possibly add to those machines on
> route where a non (insert title or subject here ie. TRON ) geek could
> be interested in dropping some quarters because the movie looked
> interesting. I guess I was originally coming from more of a playing
> on route perspective rather than an in home perspective..
OK, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man, and Indiana Jones pins were rushed to
get them out for the movie. As games, they suffered for being rushed
(no access to story/audio/video for the current film) ...as the years
went by, Spider-Man and Batman were "fixed" with updated code. As far
as location play goes....again, it really doesn't matter if the
license is a "forever" license. If Stern did licenses on unknown
properties...like "The Expendables" or something....then yes, exposure
with the movie is important. A license like Spider-Man or Tron...it's
been known for years and will continue to be known for years, and the
fact that the movie is out of theaters doesn't make the theme less
interesting to a person with some quarters in their pocket. When
someone sees a Spider-Man pin they say "Oh, cool! Spider-
Man!" ....they don't say "Ah, well...Spider-Man 3 came out a few years
ago so I'm not going to play that." This concept of the "forever
license" is why Stern has ONLY done franchise films....Avatar was the
exception. They don't take risks like Williams did w/ just any
movie...Johnny Mnemonic, Demolition Man, Congo ...those movies were
flops, no one cared about them the day after they were released in
theaters, and they instantly look dated or not interesting in an
arcade. Stern's movie theme choices have legs.
Greg
Greg
Mark Clayton
http://ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1877
The games at the time couldn't play digitized music, but maybe
that was a good thing.
Actually, I think a "battle of the bands" theme could work,
where your shots determine what music plays, and the game
could challenge you by playing conflicting themes (modes)
that you would need to complete to advance the game and
get your preferred songs playing again.
-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com
madtownmoxie
Yeah that makes sense and I guess as far as Avatar goes Cameron has
always had the thought of a trilogy of movies (especially now with the
success of the first) and thus it becoming a true franchise. Thanks
machine.slave
> I was at a couple Stones shows last time around and the demographics
> were as you'd expect - 30s-50s, not counting kids and teenagers
> brought by parents.
Cazzzmo
etc. lends itself to a curiousity factor for the younger bunch that
may not be familiar with the Stones yet I think a good portion of said
''younger bunch'' has a bit more awareness and respect for this band/
theme than we might realize 'cause of it's Guitar Hero type of
exposure and knowing that they're "dad's favorite band'' (yes, or
''granddad's favorite band''..... big deal.) It's a very
''sharable'' theme among age groups while a lot of the other bands
mentioned above have a more pigeonholed following. (Journey??
c'mon man!! what an effin' joke!)
The previous RS pin . . . zero bearing on this release. Nice to
see Stern getaway from the movie themes again.... RS has a much better
chance of going into locations that haven't had a pin in awhile.... I
know operator's that hadn't bought a pin in 12+ years that bought one
or two BBHs 'cause it had more appeal to the ''working man'' as
opposed to all the fantasy / teeny-bopper crap. RS could very well
be like that.... great pin for any ''jam'' bar or fast-casual
restaurant waiting area.
I am NOT the biggest Stone's fan on my block but I have a lot of
buddies that are huge fans and this might turn them into pin
buyers.... I haven't seen many titles lately that can potentially
''convert'' folks like this one might....
I hope this is an awesome playable pin for newbies that breaks new
ground in the sound dept. and brings plenty of ''SATISFACTION'' to the
earlobes of many.
Good job, Gary Stern!
- Cazzzmo
ps - Clayton's ''battle of the bands'' idea . . . I like that . . .
maybe we'll see it someday.
Ned Ledod
> Funny that the old Journey video game was the first that
> played recorded music, using a cassette player and tape loop.
>
> The game also had little digitized images of the band on
> the screen, another first for a mainstream arcade game.
>
> This any reason to do a Journey pinball machine? NO!
>
> -Mark
>
> On 1/5/2011 12:30 AM, treborlicec wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 12:17 am, ldnayman<ldnay...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 4, 8:58 pm, CEllison<clell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> How dare you compare Mick to Gandalf - I say good day to you sir! GOOD
> >>> DAY! (FEZ that 70's show)
>
> >>> On a serious note - FFS why not use Journey? They in my mind are truly
> >>> an epic band. Go to a Karaoke bar sometime and watch someone sing a
> >>> Journey song. Then look around and you'll be amazed how many people
> >>> are singing along! Everyone and their neighbors dog seems to know
> >>> Journey.
>
> >> Ugggg...jeezl...
>
> >> Yeah, you go into a kararoke bar and everyone is singing ONE Journey
> >> song. You know the one. Win lose...play the blues blahblah...
>
> >> Journey is a cheesy ass band...I know they sold lots of records but
> >> it's AOR garbage at it's worst.
>
> >> A Stern pinball playing "Don't Stop Believin'" over and over again
> >> would drive me insane.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wasn't The Journey coin-op video game a flop? And wasn't it released
when they were hot? I'm pretty sure they are hard to find today.
Regarding the Stones pin, It seems to me that Mr. Stern likes to be
surrounded by celebs. Perhaps he thinks he will be able to rub
shoulders with the band. Or perhaps he already has. Just a thought.
Expat
Actually I was just pointing out your ignorant statement about Journey
anything other than that is yer own insecurities/paranoia
I actually cant listen to Priest anymore..Its kinda boring to me,no
matter which era it is
Not that I didn't rock it HARD when I was 13 but now it's boring
Though by all means keep up yer episodic narrative is quite cute/
touching that you care so much ;)
Ohh and Journey and hipster have never been used in the same sentence
sorry to tell ya!
CEllison
EXAMPLE to explain how I see some music "appears" timeless and is
generation friendly if you will.
Do I want to see a Journey pin - no I really couldn't care less. Do I
think there are better suited bands to be used for a theme -
absolutely.
I still enjoy Journeys music and is why I thought it would be a great
EXAMPLE.
Carry on..............
Pin Lord
> On Jan 4, 5:29 pm, MrBally <americannleag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In the January, 2011 issue of RePlay Magazine.
>
> >http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq290/mrbally/100_6980.jpg
>
LOL! That's exactly what I thought!!!
Mark Clayton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3BDXlMtyUo
The tape kicks in at the end, playing
"Separate Ways"
But we may yet have Journey on a pinball machine -
remember that Journey's "Only Solutions" and a tune
called "1990's Theme" (done by Wendy Carlos) was on
the original Tron soundtrack, and "Separate Ways" is
in the Tron Legacy soundtrack.
-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com
nieve taladro
> I don't get it. Stern wants to generate new blood and uses this band?
> The argument can be made that this pin will do just as good as any
> other new Stern release but I whole heartedly disagree. The original
> Stones pin was absolute rubbish and this band is waaaaaaay too far
> past prime. I stand my ground and say curb appeal gets the first
> quarter drop. The theme alone couldn't possibly be cool and the
> youngsters will look at it and say, "meh..... wtf is that?!". Doesn't
> matter how great a player it is if she ain't got no curb appeal you
> dirty critters.
>
> I predict this pin will freaking tank big time. I am being immortally
> quoted ;-)
> And this thing better not kill Stern because I want my freaking
> Tron!!!!!
> -=Chris=-
My theory is Gary Stern is making pinball machines that HE wants.
Doesnt this make sense? Between movie themed machines are his
favorites... St0nes, E1vis, Wheel of F0rtune, World P0ker Tour...
I have to admit, If I owned a pinball mfg company, I'd do the same.
Except, it would be Rush, Zombies, and Aliens...
ldnayman
> Actually I was just pointing out your ignorant statement about Journey
> anything other than that is yer own insecurities/paranoia
>
So you DON'T support the production of a Journey pinball machine? Your
whole reason for jumping in was just to point out that you know more
about Journey than I do?
Cool. You certainly know more about Journey than I do. Nice work. I'll
try to bone up more on shit I could give two fucks about and get back
with you. We can duke it out in a battle of dime store rock trivia.
Quick one - and no wiki! Which famous guitar player was in Jethro Tull
for about 2 weeks in the late 60s?
ldnayman
> I have to admit, If I owned a pinball mfg company, I'd do the same.
> Except, it would be Rush, Zombies, and Aliens...
Rush sucks. Let's talk about that!
And Tron.
nieve taladro
Yea, yea, I get it, you think Rush sucks and the Stones don't.
My point being, why question Stern about which theme will be make more
money? He doesn't care!
Garys probably thinking, "I've only got so long to live, my company
and the industry is dieing (and WILL be dead when all us middle-aged
pinball players are gone) why not make machines that appeal to ME
before its too late?"
Oh yea, forgot. Tron, Tron Tron.
ldnayman
> Garys probably thinking, "I've only got so long to live, my company
> and the industry is dieing (and WILL be dead when all us middle-aged
> pinball players are gone) why not make machines that appeal to ME
> before its too late?"
Somehow I doubt that's how themes are getting picked.
nieve taladro
holy shit, THAT was funny...
B Castleman
> My point being, why question Stern about which theme will be make more
> money? He doesn't care!
>
> Garys probably thinking, "I've only got so long to live, my company
> and the industry is dieing (and WILL be dead when all us middle-aged
> pinball players are gone) why not make machines that appeal to ME
> before its too late?"
nieve's ''right on the money'' here. and good for Gary . . . "more
power to him."
nieve taladro
Yea, I know. But you gotta wonder.
can you imagine back in the day, sitting in an executive board
meeting:
suit#1: Ive got an idea, how about a game theme based on a spa! It
will tie in with our Chain of health spas!
suit #2: No, wait! Whatabout a spa SET IN THE FUTURE!
Chairman: Great idea! make it so! Wheres that girl with our sandwiches!
John
The Beatles would have been 10 million times better. Yellow submarine
ball locks where you see the balls in the port holes. Strawberry
Mini-playfields forever! The thing designs itself.
brokenvette
> On Jan 4, 7:46 pm, "Jim D. in TN" <jd_12...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am curious though. What are the demographics of the audiences at
> > Stones concerts? I've attended three Stones concerts beginning in
> > 1963 (only 1100 attendees) but I'm too old to go now. I'd be afraid I
> > couldn't dodge the flying beer bottles and firecrackers like at the
> > Akron Rubber Bowl in 1973.
>
> I'm not sure. My mom, who is in her early 60s was a huge fan back in
> the day. And most people my age (I'm 38) grew up with them. I like
> them, but I don't find them to be terribly meaningful of relevant to
> me. I'm more of a Beatles fan.
>
> I think the biggest fans are in the 50 and up age group. Which means
> Gary is getting closer, after all WOF was a theme that mostly appealed
> to the 70 and up crowd!
>
> But I don't think the young market cares at all. As much as I hate
> saying it, perhaps something more current, like Lady Gaga might
> attract the 20+ audience.
I say BARF on that one. What a skank.
B Castleman
>
> - Show quoted text -
yeah but it would take 50,000 pre-orders at $5K and you still wouldn't
have half the dough needed for the license.........
skbrothers
> for about 2 weeks in the late 60s?
I'll bite on that one...and I could be wrong, but was it Tony Iommi?
Steve
ldnayman
Nailed it!
He's onstage with them during their mimed performance in the Rolling
Stones Rock N Roll Circus movie.
I don't think he ever actually recorded or performed live with them.
You'll have to ask Expat about that, I'm sure he knows the answer.
After all, Tull were only good when Tony Iommi was in the band.
skbrothers
Thought so...I think I learned this on a behind the music special on
Black Sabbath (maybe it was on Jethro Tull) several months ago. I was
amazed to learn that Iommi crossed paths with Ian Anderson and
company. I believe that Anderson wanted Iommi to become a
longstanding member, but somehow he opted for Sabbath. My details are
sketchy, but Iommi was with Tull, albeit briefly.
And to carry the the theme of my band is better than your band....
Tull is better than Sabbath
...although back in the late 70s early 80's I might have felt the
opposite ;-)
Steve
brokenvette
Come on Jethro Tull was always good. I burned many a doobie in High
school listening to Tull... and Alice Cooper. Damn I want to see him
one more time. I remember being front row when he threw out a bunch of
baloons that looked like fleshy membranes and when you touched them
they popped and you were covered with blood. The song was Sick Things
I believe. I was covered in it. When the show was over I went to a
friends house and acted like I had been in a car wreck and they fell
for it... for a while.
ldnayman
>
> Tull is better than Sabbath
>
> ...although back in the late 70s early 80's I might have felt the
> opposite ;-)
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Holy shit.
I'd lambast you for that if I thought you were actually serious.
LOL...Tull....hahahaha.....
skbrothers
Lambast away Mr Levi...I AM serious!
I like Tull better these days than Black Sabbath. Although I do like
the Dio era Sabbath lately...Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules are fun
rides!
I'm also in the "Rush is great" camp though so I guess there's no
accounting for taste is there ;-)
Steve
kirb
EMO FIGHT!
ldnayman
I got nothing against Tull, but come the fuck on. They are good for a
hoot but Sabbath INVENTED metal.
Of course if you don't like metal - and judging by your taste, you
don't - then I can understand thinking Rush and Tull are far superior.
kirb
You forgot the dart board method, the 'google trends' method, the
'what is that 13yo kid wearing on his shirt' method, or the 'outdated
is the new cool' method.
I think he really uses the 'what's cheap enough to buy and still make
a buck?' method.
brokenvette
>
> - Show quoted text -
OK what album did Rush start to suck. They changed their whole format
just about. Its in my head but I cant get it out.
Jason
> On Jan 5, 8:35 am, madtownmoxie <madtownmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > OK I Do get what You are saying and do no disagree with the fact that
> > tron geeks have been tron geeks for thirty years (me being one of
> > the) but why not piggy back on the timeliness of the millions of
> > dollars of promotion that went into the movie at the time the movie
> > comes out? It would certainly possibly add to those machines on
> > route where a non (insert title or subject here ie. TRON ) geek could
> > be interested in dropping some quarters because the movie looked
> > interesting. I guess I was originally coming from more of a playing
> > on route perspective rather than an in home perspective..
>
> OK, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man, and Indiana Jones pins were rushed to
> get them out for the movie. As games, they suffered for being rushed
> (no access to story/audio/video for the current film) ...as the years
> went by, Spider-Man and Batman were "fixed" with updated code. As far
> as location play goes....again, it really doesn't matter if the
> license is a "forever" license. If Stern did licenses on unknown
> properties...like "The Expendables" or something....then yes, exposure
> with the movie is important. A license like Spider-Man or Tron...it's
> been known for years and will continue to be known for years, and the
> fact that the movie is out of theaters doesn't make the theme less
> interesting to a person with some quarters in their pocket. When
> someone sees a Spider-Man pin they say "Oh, cool! Spider-
> Man!" ....they don't say "Ah, well...Spider-Man 3 came out a few years
> ago so I'm not going to play that." This concept of the "forever
> license" is why Stern has ONLY done franchise films....Avatar was the
> exception. They don't take risks like Williams did w/ just any
> movie...Johnny Mnemonic, Demolition Man, Congo ...those movies were
> flops, no one cared about them the day after they were released in
> theaters, and they instantly look dated or not interesting in an
> arcade. Stern's movie theme choices have legs.
>
> Greg
>
> Greg
Great point. I never really thought about Stern sticking to franchise
films now. I'd guess this has something to do with the absence of
Joe K, who had no problem rolling the dice to get in on the ground
floor of new hollywood movies throughout the 90's. Other than a few
movies that went flop like Last Action Hero, the guesses were right.
Steve Ritchie said at CAX this past year that he doesn't believe Gary
really trusts the opinion of anyone in pinball, except Joe K. So now
Gary sticks with sure things, and even Avatar was already huge by the
time he signed off on it right? I don't blame him. He's live
without a net. The consensus is that Stern is only a bomb or two
away from going dark. That's why I respect TRS lincense choice so
much. While they're one of the biggest bands on the planet and all,
Gary isn't booking a concert. Who's to say how that translates to
sales/earnings?etc? It's a bit of a risk, as you can tell from how
polar opposite the opinion of this license is on here. Myself, I'm
hoping it's amazing. I love the Stones musically, and if the music
and lights are done right on this game.. look out. Think rock show
lighting and sound. Rock n Roll and pinball really do go well
together. That's actually the origin of licensing, isn't it??
I hear pics are just days away. Then we can look forward to a whole
new wave of negative speculation based on the grainy 1/3 playfield
view pic. ;)
skbrothers
> hoot but Sabbath INVENTED metal.
>
> Of course if you don't like metal - and judging by your taste, you
> don't - then I can understand thinking Rush and Tull are far superior.
I'm classic rock more than metal. I own several Judas Priest albums
as well as Sabbath and other "Classic metal" bands. But I have "Moved
on" in terms of taste and appreciate a bit more complexity and variety
than basic power chords offer. Don't get me wrong...I love a good
power chord and the last two Green Day albums I would hold up against
"Who's Next" and other classic albums of my day (Flak jacket on).
Anything in the Blues, Rock, Progressive categories interests me
these days...Porcupine Tree is putting out some pretty cool stuff
lately.
I would argue that Tull is NOT metal, additionally Metal is NOT the
only form of music.
Steve
Joe S
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sometime in the mid-eighties, around "Grace Under Pressure" time or
so, imo. They went to more keyboards and lost their edge (again, imo).
brokenvette
>
> - Show quoted text -
There you go. I loved that "mystical" "medieval" sound they had before
then they just sucked.
appetite4pinball
There's a really tight correlation between Stern's movie licensed pins
and the top movie franchises of all time. Here's a slide-show compiled
on CNBC that shows the top 15 highest grossing movie franchises of all
time:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40259653/The_Highest_Grossing_Movie_Franchises_of_All_Time
Of these we have
#9 Indiana Jones
#8 Spider-Man
#7 Batman
#6 POTC
#5 LOTR
#4 Shrek
#3 James Bond - Done by Sega
#2 Star Wars - Done by Sega and DE
#1 Harry Potter - Stern tried to acquire this and failed.
Stern movie pins that aren't in the top 15 include:
Terminator 3 - Currently the #18 biggest movie franchise
Avatar - Biggest movie of all time, and will likely be top 5 once the
sequels are released.
Iron Man - based on 2 moderately successful movies
Austin Powers - Based on 3 moderately successful movies that aren't
very timeless
Tron - based on 2 flop movies, but a loyal fanbase that is also into
pinball
looking at some of the other Stern pins we have:
Sopranos - Top grossing cable series in history
TSPP- Longest running show in TV history.
Family Guy - Moderately successful show that his been around for 9
seasons.
CSI - Most successful television series of the past 10+ years
24 - moderately successful show, but not sure why this one was made?
WOF- Most successful game show of all time
Monopoly - Most popular board game of all time.
Rolling Stones - Highest grossing band of all time not named the
Beatles - Made over 1.7 billion on tour and sold more than 200 million
albums. #4 on Rolling Stone's list of the top Artists of all time
Elvis - Sold over 600 million albums and #3 on Rolling Stones list of
the top Artists of all time.
ldnayman
>
> I would argue that Tull is NOT metal, additionally Metal is NOT the
> only form of music.
>
> Steve
Well obviously. The only people who think Tull are metal are the 1988
Grammy voters.
My point was that Sabbath invented metal - singlehandedly invented a
new genre of music, and did it with style.
Tull is just another classic rock band...though I guess you can go
with pioneers of flute rock. Which is as gay as it sounds.
But hey I do like some tull.
smokinfish
It will be interesting to see how the band backs the pin.
brokenvette
I'm not arguing the point but I consider bands such as Metallica or
better yet Iron Maiden or Megadeath to be Metal. I don't know what I
would call Sabbath. I liked them in the day though. A lot better than
OZZY on his own except that Randy Roads was, to me, the best guitar
player ever.
Duff
> I can see it now -- ramps that are molded like giant tongues ... lock a ball in Mick's lips ... ;)
>
> Randy
much too expensive when building with a calculator..
Ron Lyons
Gary has specifically said that he only does franchises so it's a
proven license, and also because he can use images and audio from the
first movie, so he can meet the deadline easier. All that makes sense
to me.
Ron
Ron Lyons
> It's possible that the Stones went to Stern wanting to make a pinball.
> It will be interesting to see how the band backs the pin.
That's how I think too. We don't know for sure, but that's highly
possible. It could explain the "24" pin as well... and the Simpsons
game. Gary likes to mention that Matt Groening loves pinball and
wanted one himself.
Also, they were touting that an Avatar LE was going to James Cameron's
house, and one to somebody else involved in the movie, so again the
Avatar folks may have came to Stern to make the game, WAY back when
Richie was designing it.
Ron
Ron Lyons
>
> I'm not arguing the point but I consider bands such as Metallica or
> better yet Iron Maiden or Megadeath to be Metal. I don't know what I
> would call Sabbath.
Your problem is that you don't need to categorize everything into
little boxes. Metallica, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Megadeath, Ozzy,
and Black Sabbath all made good music.
Ron
brokenvette
Agreed, but it isnt a problem. I dont care what category they would
fit into. At one time I would have gone to see all of them. :0)
mr tobias
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well I'm going to look on the bright side and say that I believe and
hope 2011 will be a better year as regards new releases from Stern.
(Have to say I think 2010 was only marginally better than dismal, but
some will disagree and that's fair enough.)
TRS and Tron may not be everyone's first choice themes for a pinball,
but they have an awful lot of potential if only they resource the
games properly. If they're hachet jobs designed by Gary Stern/
accountants, the bell will be tolling for Stern, and bring on Jersey
Jack double quick.
mr tobias
Jethro Tull is not metal, and neither was Led Zep for that matter.
Both bands are/were far too versatile for such a narrow categorisation.
Lloyd Olson
shape the future of pinball for a long time.
And I'm sure it will be different that it is today, or as we remember it 20
years ago.
Nothing stays the same. LTG :)
"mr tobias" <john_...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c5df8bf2-2648-483f...@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
Chambo
> While I hope 2011 is a great year for pinball. I suspect 2012 and 2013 will
> shape the future of pinball for a long time.
>
> And I'm sure it will be different that it is today, or as we remember it 20
> years ago.
>
> Nothing stays the same. LTG :)
>
>
> news:c5df8bf2-2648-483f...@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> Well I'm going to look on the bright side and say that I believe and
> hope 2011 will be a better year as regards new releases from Stern.
> (Have to say I think 2010 was only marginally better than dismal, but
> some will disagree and that's fair enough.)
>
> TRS and Tron may not be everyone's first choice themes for a pinball,
> but they have an awful lot of potential if only they resource the
> games properly. If they're hachet jobs designed by Gary Stern/
> accountants, the bell will be tolling for Stern, and bring on Jersey
> Jack double quick.
Hear hear Lloyd. I hated the Addams Family movie but love TAF the
pinball. Never seen the Creature or Dracula movies but adore the
pinnies. It's all about the game and how it plays
Christopher Stinebrink
been approached by Gene. We know how he is a license whore. Anyone
who authorizes a Coffin will do anything for their brand. :)
Honestly this will probably be my first new stern purchase. My dad
and I love the Stones. There have been a few stern pins I would have
loved to purchase but for me they are cost prohibitive. I wanted to
but the old version but there again it seemed like purchasing 2
machines for the price of that seemed like a better option. But I
know I need to save my pennies for this one. Take my address down.
When they are released I will be looking to purchase from someone.
Or maybe Sears will be running a deal :)
Lloyd Olson
"Christopher Stinebrink" <chrisst...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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funrudy
<8a654ab2-21b4-4745...@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Christopher Stinebrink <chrisst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone
> who authorizes a Coffin will do anything for their brand
There's a Coffin in the new Rolling Stones pin?
What's the mode....See who you can first get in it, Mick, Keith or
anyone else in the band?
brokenvette
> In article
> <8a654ab2-21b4-4745-80f7-0b28fc880...@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> Christopher Stinebrink <chrisstinebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone
> > who authorizes a Coffin will do anything for their brand
>
> There's a Coffin in the new Rolling Stones pin?
>
> What's the mode....See who you can first get in it, Mick, Keith or
> anyone else in the band?
No, Kiss has a coffin that you can buy with their pics and logo all
over it. It should have a sterio that repeats over and over so you can
listen to Kiss for eternity. Would that be called Hell?