Stern Indiana Jones New personal Earnings record
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in a little over 2 months. Keep in mind I have had all of the Bally/
williams A games in my location and all new sterns... The Indiana
Jones was put on Location June 10th at my place and as of tonight has
paid for itself... All I know is this says something about Sterns..
Also keep in mind that I had the Williams indiana jones in my place
for 6 years and it never came close to the same earnings..
So it may not be well liked on the group, But Damn does it earn..
Which is what is all about...
Taylor-VA
wrote:
Is it 75c a play? Just curious.
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tried .75
Taylor-VA
wrote:
> I Keep all machines on 50 cents still... got too much flack when I
> tried .75
What type of location?
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only pinball either..
mnpinball
wrote:
Bob,
As a stand alone arcade do you think it would have ?
Or is the fact that you sell pizza help the location ;-)
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unfortunately... There has to be something else that is bringing in
the traffic....
Taylor-VA
So if the pin cost 4k and it is set at .50 your talking 8000 plays.
Just two months would average 133.33 plays a day for 60 days. And
obviously there would be replays and matches in there to. How many
games does the audit show? What kind of ball times does the game show?
Who was saying pinball is dead?!!
Must be good pizza. Can you ship to VA?
Taylor-VA
Checked out your menu. Man am I hungry.
My favorite pizza is a BBQ chicken with Grilled chicken, jalapeños,
caramelized onions, cheddar and mozzarella cheese. Man that is a good
pizza.
chuck
wrote:
Well, I thought it might do well based on ease of understanding.
Congrats. I hope it's doing equally as well for other ops.
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Total games 7856 And to be fair I pay less for games than most.
Average ball time 54 seconds
Average game time 3:15
free game percentage 18 percent.
Taylor-VA
wrote:
And I always hear that Stern ball times last forever. WOW!!!!
solid187
Damn that pizza looks good.
edcianci
maybe i will put one on location now, i wasn't going to, but this
makes me want to. thanks for the info. ed
Pidde
and your perfectly maintained always current line up of pinball
machines. I played Indiana Jones for awhile, not nearly as much as I
played Shrek. Do I still have the #4 high score on your Indy? also
the #1, 2 and 3, scores on your shrek?
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I think you still have all the Shrek scores :)
Pidde
50 or 5 for $2.00. That definately kept me there for the what I think
was 7 hours I spent playing pinball. I know that alot of places tend
to up the prices of the new sterns.
Sonic
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Scared stiff did well for the 4 years I had it. Still probably only
about half or less of what the new sterns have been doing.
alphajerk
it (need her approval before i try and pick one up) and it was gone!
bobbyd...@googlemail.com
Tony
play on this site, some time back, and your place came up. I have
been to your place a couple of times since then. Great place to play
and pizza pretty darn good too.
tony
Josh Lehan - Krellan
wrote:
> So it may not be well liked on the group, But Damn does it earn..
> Which is what is all about...
Wow, that's fantastic!
I don't have access to the exact details, but from talking with an
operator here (San Francisco bay area), Stern IJ is making good
earnings here as well.
I'm assuming around 8000 games to pay for itself. After all those
games, how's the wear on it? Does the game break a lot? I was
worried about the oversized Multiball lock mechanism having the same
reliability issues as Apollo 13.
Also, I'm glad the game also has a manual plunger, since it's a game
that requires a lot of plunger strength in order to make it over, and
unlike most games, there's no early exit from the plunger lane. It's
similar to Guns & Roses, but in this case, the player gets a manual
plunger to help the game whenever it's having trouble launching all
the way over.
Josh
goatdan
wrote:
> So it may not be well liked on the group, But Damn does it earn..
> Which is what is all about...
[sarcasm]
Hmmm... In one of the recent Stern conversations on this board,
someone asked if it was more important for the people who spent $20 a
shot on pinball to play, or if it was more important to attract new
players. I'm assuming, since all the "players" said that Indy sucks
and they would never play it, that it is only earning the casual
player's money.
So, my question is do you feel that the money that IJ4 has earned is
less valuable than the money that your other games earned? Do you not
think that you should replace it with one of these other games better
suited for the 'player', or do you really want to bank on new players
discovering a game of pinball and being willing to put their money in,
especially if they may only play the game once or twice before
leaving?
Oh, and how do you feel about the constant breakdowns that it must
have had over the previous two months since it is well know that
Sterns are not reliable at all, and people would be better off with a
B/W title?
[/sarcasm]
Seriously, seems to jive with exactly what I've been hearing, and is
exactly why I was saying that Stern focusing on the operator is a
great idea. If people who run routes can earn their money back on a
game in less than 6 months instead of the year or more that they used
to, Stern stands to earn quite a bunch more new fans, as well as
really start putting pinball back on the map. It would be nice if we
enjoyed the games too (I personally love IJ4), but ultimately their
strategy of trying to attract the new player is exactly what they
should be doing for the future of this industry. Kudos to you for the
great earner and supporting pinball on location, and I hope your story
convinces other ops who are worried thanks to people on this group
that the games will do nothing that Stern is pointed entirely in the
right direction.
kirb
wrote:
Interesting....
7856 plays- 18% free = 6441 plays @ 0.50 = $3,220.00
7856 plays at 3:15 average = 425 hours play time
60 days x 12 hours open = 720 hours place is open (just a guess here)
Game is being played 60% of the time the place is open assuming zero
down time?
$3220/60= 214 quarters per day. How often do you clean out the cash
box and fix problems?
Kirb
falcon...@sbcglobal.net
The only places I found that a pin will pay??? Is PIZZA!!!
falcon...@sbcglobal.net
Hey Kirb your way off on your numbers!! All he has to do is $500 a
week!! Thats not a problem!! I've got old pins that pull $75 a week!!
I pick up a pin for $1000 and let it run!!! Who cares if it breaks??
It still plays and most don't know!! I have a dr who on location and I
disable the mini playfield!! Why?? So I can resell will no wear!! That
pulls $250 a month!! Paid a grand for the pin!! Follow the math!! I
only run at clean locations!! Mainly pizza joints!! If he owns the
pizza joint it could have paid for it self! Who cares?? Math only
counts for moon shoots and bank account!!
Les Manley
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If all he did was $500 / week, that works out to $71.43 per day
figuring being open everyday for a 7 day week. At $.50 per play, that
would be 143 games per day, everyday, not including the 18% free games
he listed. At 3 minutes per game, that is over 7 hours of constant
play per day literally pushing the previous player to the side and
throwing down additional money after the previous play, everyday, once
again not including free games which would add another 18% to this
number by his own post, which is almost another 2 hours! That would
be 9 hours of play each day every day, M-S no interruptions, there is
no way he could pay it back like that.
beechwood
In two months, thats alota dough anyway you look at it :)
Joel
HIOP
seymour-shabow
>
> If all he did was $500 / week, that works out to $71.43 per day
> figuring being open everyday for a 7 day week. At $.50 per play, that
> would be 143 games per day, everyday, not including the 18% free games
> he listed. At 3 minutes per game, that is over 7 hours of constant
> play per day literally pushing the previous player to the side and
> throwing down additional money after the previous play, everyday, once
> again not including free games which would add another 18% to this
> number by his own post, which is almost another 2 hours! That would
> be 9 hours of play each day every day, M-S no interruptions, there is
> no way he could pay it back like that.
Never underestimate the people that put one quarter in the game and walk
away. next player puts 50 cents, erases the 1/2 credit. 50% profit!!
-scott CARGPB#29
brokenvette
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I gotta ask and no offence intended, if you build airplanes why are
you putsing around putting pins on location.
Cameronj
So you basically screw over people who go to play your machines so
they will keep up their value for resell. Even though most don't know,
you are still hosing them and degrading their pinball experience.
Lloyd Olson
remembers it. You don't lose the partial credit. LTG :)
"seymour-shabow" <seymour...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Reinhard
wrote:
> location is a pizza restaurant with 5 other pins, so it is not the
> only pinball either..
>
> www.benepizzaandpasta.com
I am glad to hear you are happy with your recent purchase and its
earnings ability. I do have one question since you state there are 5
pin at your location: How did the new game effect the other game's
earnings? This obviously effects the bottom line if some (or
sometimes most) of the earning are shifted to the latest game while
the older ones suffer. Obviously, you have stated that it earned
better than any other previous title, old or new which says something
for it.
RB
goatdan
He said that the game was placed on location June 10th, so really that
means there are 74 days of potential operation instead of 60. That
difference means about $43.50 per day played, or 87 games a day. 87
games a day at 3:15 average is 4.7125 hours of play a day, which means
it is getting played about 40% of the time it is open assuming the 12
hours/day of operation is correct.
Les Manley
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Plus 18% for matches, specials and replays. Which would push it well
over 5 hours to almost 6 hours per day of constant use still. Either
way, that is extremely hard to believe.
Les Manley
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His webpage shows he is only open 67 hours per week which makes the
scenario damn near impossible. You are talking almost constant
playing everyday of the week and constant utilization on Sundays for 5
hours. The numbers just don't make any sense. Also, he said it made
more than any other game he has ever had. The webpage states he has
only been in business since 2002, which was way past the hey day of
WMS pins and for that matter 9 years past the hey day of the original
IJ, it should not be surprising that it earned more. Assuming he had
one right away in 2002 since the game was made in 1993, try putting an
IJ4 on location 9 years from now and see how it earns. It isn't going
to earn great either.
Monday - Thursday: 11:00am - 9:00pm
Friday, Saturday: 11:00am - 10:00pm
Sunday: 4:00pm - 9:00pm
Josh A.
> Hey Kirb your way off on your numbers!! All he has to do is $500
> a week!! Thats not a problem!! I've got old pins that pull $75 a
> week!! I pick up a pin for $1000 and let it run!!! Who cares if it
> breaks?? It still plays and most don't know!! I have a dr who on
> location and I disable the mini playfield!! Why?? So I can resell
> Follow the math!! I only run at clean locations!! Mainly pizza
> joints!! If he owns the pizza joint it could have paid for itself!
> Who cares?? Math only counts for moon shoots and bank account!!
Jake: "Oh, I'm excited. I just don't happen to like exclamation
points."
Elaine: "You know, Jake, you should learn to use them. Like the way
I'm talking right now, I would put exclamation points at the end of
all these sentences! On this one! And on that one!"
Jake: "Well, you can put one on this one: I'm leaving!"
from Seinfeld, "The Sniffing Accountant"
goatdan
> His webpage shows he is only open 67 hours per week which makes the
> scenario damn near impossible. You are talking almost constant
> playing everyday of the week and constant utilization on Sundays for 5
> hours. The numbers just don't make any sense.
Actually, this does make sense for a pizza location. There is a
reason that Chuck E Cheese serves pizza like they do -- the concept is
that people will do something while waiting for pizza, so put in games
and they will spend more money while waiting for the pizza.
Especially if it is run where you sit down and then can get up and
move around before the pizza arrives, this is a perfect way to make
arcade games make money, and pizza places will inherently make more
money than most other locations.
I used to work at a CEC, and while we didn't have pins, our largest
money earners would take in more than 10,000 tokens a week. Now,
granted, these are games that are for tickets and only take a couple
seconds to play, but the store was open 84 hours a week which meant an
average of 119 tokens an hour for the week, or two per minute. So to
me, especially during the summer, those numbers make perfect sense to
me. The few vids we had would take in probably 2000 tokens a week
which equaled 1000 plays. Even that is an average of 12 plays an
hour, and the games would last about 2 minutes apiece, meaning that
these games would be play use for over 1/3rd of the time.
The last thing I'd like to point out here is that often two hours a
day we would be dead or nearly dead (opening hour and closing hour).
If you took those two into the above, the best earning games would
pull an average of 142 tokens an hour and the best earning vids would
pull 28 tokens an hour.
So, at a pizza place, earnings of what is claimed seem entirely
plausible to me.
> Also, he said it made
> more than any other game he has ever had. The webpage states he has
> only been in business since 2002, which was way past the hey day of
> WMS pins and for that matter 9 years past the hey day of the original
> IJ, it should not be surprising that it earned more. Assuming he had
> one right away in 2002 since the game was made in 1993, try putting an
> IJ4 on location 9 years from now and see how it earns. It isn't going
> to earn great either.
I agree with that, however there has been a lot of people here who
have claimed that if B/W games were still on location, that they would
make far more money than Stern games because they "break less often"
and are "more appealing to the hardcore players." Seems that Sterns,
especially one who people claimed would 'only attract new players that
don't spend much', are earning better than some people claimed just a
week or two ago.
Les Manley
I don't agree that is WMS games were still on location they would earn
more. I can't believe people say that. There is an exception to
every rule, but for the most part, the themes are outdated and that is
what drives a pin today, has nothing to do with gameplay for the
common man, just look at IJ4. In that same breath, I do think that
for the most part, more hardcore players to prefer WMS pins, of course
there are a couple of exceptions, but Sterns are built for the casual
player nowadays so that shouldn't be too surprising. I don't think
WMS break less either, to me I always thought WMS pins were more
involved and actually had more opportunity to break. Plus being 15 of
more years old, I would think they would break a lot more than a newer
Stern. I agree that a WMS pin feels more solid and feels more like a
pin to me than a Stern. Sterns feel cheap to me, doesn't mean they
are, just that is how they feel to me having played pins for over 25
years. I prefer WMS pins to Sterns almost without exception, but I
wouldn't claim to say that they would earn more today with the themes
of the past, that would be a foolish statement.
falcon...@sbcglobal.net
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Guys people don't spend 3 mins on every game!! Most kids drop money
and boom its over!! Pins are made to run broken/inop parts. Who cares?
Don't play it. I could careless. They catch quarters all day long. Its
a business. Rip off? That's cranes! They make CASH and are business is
business. The question why do I have locations if I fly airplanes??
Expand your mind. I guess that's why some people work hard and I
perfer to work smart. Once a machine is on location then it's there to
catch $$$. I fly some where between 12 to 14 days a month with usually
14 days off min. The business is a great tax shelter. Blend hobby with
business. I have 3 jobs. Full-time pilot, part-time FAA examiner,
vender. If you do the bad math most would figure I don't have time,
you'd be wrong.
kirb
> Guys people don't spend 3 mins on every game!!
He stated the average game time was 3:15. The game calculates the
average game time to assist smart ops with figuring out how to lower/
increase ball times for a location.
> I fly some where between 12 to 14 days a month with usually
> 14 days off min. The business is a great tax shelter. Blend hobby with
> business. I have 3 jobs. Full-time pilot, part-time FAA examiner,
> vender.
You may want to NOT post the above to a public newsgroup....
I don't know if I would want ~MY~ FAA examiner to make statements
like: "Math only counts for moon shoots and bank account!!"
Kirb
kirb
> On Aug 25, 1:17 pm,kirb<kirbse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
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> > On Aug 23, 9:44 pm, Premium Pinballs <Bo...@drifterproductions.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Ok this is the first pinball I have ever had that has paid for itself
> > > in a little over 2 months. Keep in mind I have had all of the Bally/
> > > williams A games in my location and all new sterns... The Indiana
> > > Jones was put on Location June 10th at my place and as of tonight has
> > > paid for itself... All I know is this says something about Sterns..
> > > Also keep in mind that I had the Williams indiana jones in my place
> > > for 6 years and it never came close to the same earnings..
>
> > > So it may not be well liked on the group, But Damn does it earn..
> > > Which is what is all about...
>
> > Interesting....
> > 7856 plays- 18% free = 6441 plays @ 0.50 = $3,220.00
>
> > 7856 plays at 3:15 average = 425 hours play time
> > 60 days x 12 hours open = 720 hours place is open (just a guess here)
> > Game is being played 60% of the time the place is open assuming zero
> > down time?
>
> > $3220/60= 214 quarters per day. How often do you clean out the cash
> > box and fix problems?
>
> >Kirb
>
> week!! Thats not a problem!!
Numbers are not way off. Check them again- $402 a week x 8 weeks =
$3220.
>Follow the math!!
I wish you could.
> Math only counts for moon shoots and bank account!!
wow
Kirb
rwi...@grandecom.net
. In that same breath, I do think that
> for the most part, more hardcore players to prefer WMS pins, of course
> there are a couple of exceptions,
WRONG. Real players don't really care whether a game is a Stern or
WMS.
I agree that a WMS pin feels more solid and feels more like a
> pin to me than a Stern. Sterns feel cheap to me, doesn't mean they
> are, just that is how they feel to me having played pins for over 25
> years.
That's because you can't get over yourself. You don't like Sterns and
never will so naturally all Sterns will feel "Cheap" to you. Real
players don't care who made the game, they care about game play. Is
the game challenging and fun. Maybe more WMS game fall into that
category but who really cares? For somebody that's been playing pins
for over 25 years, you should have figured this out by now;-)
Rich Wiski
rwi...@grandecom.net
My God dude! Let it go! The guy is excited about his new game paying
for itself and you keep bustin' his balls over the details? So just
come out and call him a liar why don't you. Get it over with.
Rich Wiski
CornCob
What he didn't say is that he bought the game for $10US off epay...
Ping
chuck
I did the math just for grins.
Using Bob's dates he's had the game on location for ~74 days.
Based on some number people have thrown around Stern seems to sell
machines to distribs for ~3250 (I don't know this for a fact just what
a number of sources seem to indicate. It may be high or low)
So, to pay for the machine he would need to generate an average of
~43.91 a day over the 74 days.
Assume he's open 7 days a week for 12 hours a day. That means he
needs to generate ~$3.65 an hour which is ~7.32 plays an hour or ~176
quarters a day.
Now look at guys like Koz who would play 1 game for 1 hour. But then
you have guys like scott (from detroit) who would easily drop 40
quarters in 1/2 hour. =)
Les Manley
"Maybe more WMS game fall into that category but who really cares?"
I was speaking in generalizations...as I said...and you even agreed
with me in your own words!?!?! I have WMS and Stern pins so I have an
educated opinion and that is what it is...an opinion! I don't need to
get over myself, there is nothing to get over. I didn't write "All
Sterns Suck!" "WMS rule!" do you even read? I said generally speaking
I think better players prefer WMS pins to Sterns and I said IMHO I
think Sterns feel cheaper than a WMS pin, and I even wrote right after
that, that eventhough I said that, it doesn't make it true! You want
to hate anyone who prefers a WMS pin so bad you just pick and choose
words and jump to your own conclusions. In typical fashion for
someone like you, you want to ignore all reason when it comes to the
paying for itself statement the OP made and just accept it as blind
fact. I am sure you are of the "Stern is the only pinball maker now
so support them in whatever they do or don't do ilk" as well, makes
perfect sense. I never called the OP a liar, I just questioned the
numbers and said they don't make sense to me...because they don't.
Could he be mistaken or not taking something into account,
absolutely. You need to get over your high and mighty self and
actually read a post before you start spewing garbage.
kirb
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The math doesn't lie- it would be hard to pay off a game in two months
with a 12 hour day, 7 days a week with the data he has given.
Not saying it isn't possible, but difficult.
Kirb
beechwood
> with a 12 hour day, 7 days a week with the data he has given.
The audits showed 7856 games.
18% free=1414 games
That leaves 6442 paid games x .50 =$3221.
I guess the only thing to argue about is if he paid more than that for
the game, otherwise it has paid for itself.
Joel
HIOP
rwi...@grandecom.net
I said generally speaking
> I think better players prefer WMS pins to Sterns
And I say your wrong. Generally speaking or not.
You want
> to hate anyone who prefers a WMS pin so bad you just pick and choose
> words and jump to your own conclusions.
No I don't HATE someone who prefers WMS pins. I just think it's
ignorant to only like one or the other.
Sorry if I lumped you into that category.
In typical fashion for
> someone like you, you want to ignore all reason when it comes to the
> paying for itself statement the OP made and just accept it as blind
> fact.
So it's your job to prove him wrong? You were so hell bent to disprove
his numbers you lost sight of the great news. Pinball is still making
money for ops! That's great news for all of us. Who cares if his
numbers were off, the fact that his game is paying for itself in two,
three or six months is fantastic.
Don't you see the irony? You saw his post and quickly jumped on him
assuming he was one of those Stern or Bust supporters. Then when I
come in and defend him you quickly lump me in with him. What your
doing is no different than all the either Stern or WMS or nothing
crowd. Your probably going to deny it so I'll put my disclaimer in
"this is the way I see it";-)
I am sure you are of the "Stern is the only pinball maker now
> so support them in whatever they do or don't do ilk" as well, makes
> perfect sense.
Come on now, you and I both know you are wrong. Nice job of doing the
same thing to me that you hate.
I never called the OP a liar,
No, just everything short of it by all your constant questioning. I
was just suggesting to you to get it over with and call him a liar to
get it over with. Go back and read what I really said.
You need to get over your high and mighty self and
> actually read a post before you start spewing garbage.
Spewing garbage. Now that's a nice statement and so original;-) See
above about reading before "spewing". LOL
Rich Wiski