Some tactics ok first NEVER take vortex Grenades... Calm down just get teh
spell. Now arm your Iron priest with a graviton gun and a conversion field
with a warp jump or jump pack... :¬) I'm usually forced to do this because
my Eldar opponent uses the Eldar Tempest Tank, which I a hard time crackin
its armour...
But you can use it against anyone or anything... Kinda useless agaisnt
psykers though... Give Ragnar the hood of darkness and run him into the
ennemies deployment zone.. De-cloak and HTH psykers, weapon crews etc...
But hes going to need help like and assassin or grey hunters whatever....
Wolf guard termies, my personal fave... I once played a 1000pt. game just
5 termies, Ragnar, Callidus Assassin and N'jal, against 1 Patriarch, 1
magus 4 Hybred with Heavy wepons 10 genestealers and 8 other Hybreds... I
won without loosin 1 guy. How you say? The assassin de-polymorphed and ran
into HTH with the magus, won and use her neural shredar and killed some
hybreads, the genestealers were delayed, the strategy card, and some
cyclone missiles killed the small group of 7 Hybreds.His genestealers were
getting into position but we Termies lined up with their storm bolters and
2 assault cannons... My friend gave up... Alot of games I've got my
ooponet to give up BEFORE his first turn... That happends when they put to
much stock in of vehicle or character... Well enough about me e-mail me
back with your army list I'll reply...
BTW check out this site, I made it: http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/6779/
Imperium Tactica, lots of stuff!!!!
-JOn
regards,
What, all those special characters, and assasin, and an inquisito isn't
cheesy enough?
--
/-\/-\
\-/\-/
"Infinity is Forever" -first Teaching of the Kai
On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, JOn wrote:
> I play SW too, I've won 12 out of 13 games... What models do you have? I =
use;
> -Ragnar
> -N'jal
> -Ulrik
> -B'jorn
Just using a few of the named characters eh? Try using a generic
commander, wolfpriest, psyker and dreadnaught!
> -Callidus Assassin
> -Inquisitor
just a few allies here, took the inquisitor to aviod the rune priest/grey
hunter restriction to doubt.
> -Iron Priest
> -2 Wolf Guard Champions
> -Medic
medic? Do you mean wolf priest? If you you must have a second grey
hunter squad.
> -Jetbiek
and what army list is this on? Surely you didn't take eldar allies...
> -Razorback
> -1 Squad of Grey Hunters
> -1 Squad of Long Fangs
> -5 Wolf Guard Termies, any more would be cheezy
5 assault cannons no doubt!
> (To paint wolf fur, I base it white and add brown and/or black)...
>=20
> Some tactics ok first NEVER take vortex Grenades... Calm down just get te=
h
> spell.=20
shucks, too bad no level three spells in tournys
> Now arm your Iron priest with a graviton gun and a conversion field
> with a warp jump or jump pack... :=AC)=20
too bad iron priests can't get graviton guns, just another illeagal aspect
of the army...
> I'm usually forced to do this because
> my Eldar opponent uses the Eldar Tempest Tank, which I a hard time cracki=
n
> its armour...
lascannon it, multimelta it, HTH it
> But you can use it against anyone or anything... Kinda useless agaisnt
> psykers though... Give Ragnar the hood of darkness and run him into the
> ennemies deployment zone.. De-cloak and HTH psykers, weapon crews etc...
special characters, ick! =20
> But hes going to need help like and assassin or grey hunters whatever....
> Wolf guard termies, my personal fave... I once played a 1000pt. game just
> 5 termies, Ragnar, Callidus Assassin and N'jal, against 1 Patriarch, 1
> magus 4 Hybred with Heavy wepons 10 genestealers and 8 other Hybreds... I
> won without loosin 1 guy. How you say?
its called the cheeze factor!
> The assassin de-polymorphed and ran
> into HTH with the magus, won and use her neural shredar and killed some
> hybreads, the genestealers were delayed, the strategy card, and some
> cyclone missiles killed the small group of 7 Hybreds.His genestealers wer=
e
> getting into position but we Termies lined up with their storm bolters an=
d
> 2 assault cannons... My friend gave up... Alot of games I've got my
> ooponet to give up BEFORE his first turn... That happends when they put t=
Use 10 Wolf Guard all armed with assault cannons and Bjorn with Ablative
armour and reinforced armour. This usually defeats my Eldar army
whenever I play SWs.
NIC THAT ELDAR AND DWARF GUY
I wasted $$ of the models, you be fuckin nutz not to use the character bub...
> just a few allies here, took the inquisitor to aviod the rune priest/grey
> hunter restriction to doubt.
No, I like the models and they function well in battle....
>
> medic? Do you mean wolf priest? If you you must have a second grey
> hunter squad.
No, a MEDIC, and you DON'T need a 2nd Grey Hunter squad for it... "You
can have a additional Wolf priest for every Grey Hunter pack after the 1st
wolf priest..... Read the CODEX, asshole....
> and what army list is this on? Surely you didn't take eldar allies...
Who is dumb enough to take Eldar allies (not that there's anything
wrong with that) Eldar should stick to Eldar, they work out better....
> > -Razorback
> > -1 Squad of Grey Hunters
> > -1 Squad of Long Fangs
> > -5 Wolf Guard Termies, any more would be cheezy
>
> 5 assault cannons no doubt!
Listen you beeker, I don't arm my guys with 5 assault cannons that
whould change WarHammer 40k from an enjoyable like game with friends, to a
COLUSSAL WASTE OF TIME... So get the Hell of my back!
> shucks, too bad no level three spells in tournys
Ya too bad...
> too bad iron priests can't get graviton guns, just another illeagal aspect
> of the army...
Iron Priest are TechMarines, TechMarines are technally Tech Priests, as
STATED IN THE ULTRA MARINES CODEX.... Or so I've been told...
> > I'm usually forced to do this because
> > my Eldar opponent uses the Eldar Tempest Tank, which I a hard time cracki=
> n
> > its armour...
>
> lascannon it, multimelta it, HTH it
Waste all that firepower would be a usless waste'o ammo and HTH, I'd a
skimmer....
> > But you can use it against anyone or anything... Kinda useless agaisnt
> > psykers though... Give Ragnar the hood of darkness and run him into the
> > ennemies deployment zone.. De-cloak and HTH psykers, weapon crews etc...
>
> special characters, ick! =20
If you have the model, use it!
> > But hes going to need help like and assassin or grey hunters whatever....
> > Wolf guard termies, my personal fave... I once played a 1000pt. game just
> > 5 termies, Ragnar, Callidus Assassin and N'jal, against 1 Patriarch, 1
> > magus 4 Hybred with Heavy wepons 10 genestealers and 8 other Hybreds... I
> > won without loosin 1 guy. How you say?
>
> its called the cheeze factor!
Ya, fuckin right... It was a 1000 pt. game , what do you expect? Your
just jealous because you can't afford special characters...
Listen you jerks, who are flamming me, I posted to help this guy out not
get flamed for it, So shut the Hell up about 'cheese factors' and 'special
charcters' and get a life. Move out of your parents basement, and grow the
HELL up. You guys a pretty old, have you guys have never kissed a girl?
Thought so...
Sorry Esko, hope what I posted previously help...
BTW: If you guys have any maturity in you, prove it by not flaming this post...
And Space Wolves RULE!!!
Regards,
regards,
> Listen you jerks, who are flamming me, I posted to help this guy out not
> get flamed for it, So shut the Hell up about 'cheese factors' and 'special
> charcters' and get a life. Move out of your parents basement, and grow the
> HELL up. You guys a pretty old, have you guys have never kissed a girl?
> Thought so...
well... I'm married (with all that entails) and _I_ think your an ass with
a rediculous army...
--
brian lojeck, better known as:loj...@usc.edu
Fantasian sugar addict
-----
Orc Zen Philosophy:
Grasshoppa', did uz' cut da' hed off uv' da' beakie or did uz' cut
da' beakie off ov' da' hed?
Yeah, real mature...
Well 'Brian' I wasn't talking 'bout or to you, and I don't care what
some 40+ year old man with too much time on his hands thinks om my army...
So with 'all do respect' bri stay out of discussions that don't concern
you or your wife. And stop enlarging the newsgroup with fuckin useless
messages like that last one I wrote and stop flaming!
regards,
1. That wasn't Bub. That was Farrier... Get it straight.
2. Did you ever conceive of the possiblity that you can use the model
of Ragnar as a normal captain? Or Bjorn as a normal dreadnought?
He wasn't asking you to stop using certain miniatures...
> > medic? Do you mean wolf priest? If you you must have a second grey
> > hunter squad.
>
> No, a MEDIC, and you DON'T need a 2nd Grey Hunter squad for it... "You
> can have a additional Wolf priest for every Grey Hunter pack after the 1st
> wolf priest..... Read the CODEX, asshole....
1. As far as I know, 'medics' are not in the space wolf codex.
It would have to be an ally...
2. Is Ulrik not a Wolf Priest? Therefore, to include a SECOND wolf priest,
you would need a SECOND grey hunter pack.
> -Jetbiek
> > and what army list is this on? Surely you didn't take eldar allies...
>
> Who is dumb enough to take Eldar allies (not that there's anything
> wrong with that) Eldar should stick to Eldar, they work out better....
You didn't answer the question, either.
Did you mean landspeeder?
Or is this a rogue marine on a lone jetbike?
> > > -Razorback
> > > -1 Squad of Grey Hunters
> > > -1 Squad of Long Fangs
> > > -5 Wolf Guard Termies, any more would be cheezy
> >
> > 5 assault cannons no doubt!
>
> Listen you beeker, I don't arm my guys with 5 assault cannons that
> whould change WarHammer 40k from an enjoyable like game with friends, to a
> COLUSSAL WASTE OF TIME... So get the Hell of my back!
Well, winning 12 out of 13 games; mostly on the first turn...
[From what you have said]
I'd say it already IS a colossal waste of time.
> > too bad iron priests can't get graviton guns, just another illeagal
> > aspect of the army...
>
> Iron Priest are TechMarines, TechMarines are technally Tech Priests, as
> STATED IN THE ULTRA MARINES CODEX.... Or so I've been told...
Stated in the 'fluff text', not the 'rules' (unfortunately).
> > > I'm usually forced to do this because
> > > my Eldar opponent uses the Eldar Tempest Tank, which I a hard time
> > > crackin its armour...
> >
> > lascannon it, multimelta it, HTH it
>
> Waste all that firepower would be a usless waste'o ammo and HTH, I'd a
> skimmer....
1. Waste of ammo?
One multi-melta shot?
2. It is a HEAVY skimmer.
You are allowed to HTH it.
> Ya, fuckin right... It was a 1000 pt. game , what do you expect? Your
> just jealous because you can't afford special characters...
>
> Listen you jerks, who are flamming me, I posted to help this guy out not
> get flamed for it, So shut the Hell up about 'cheese factors' and 'special
> charcters' and get a life. Move out of your parents basement, and grow the
> HELL up. You guys a pretty old, have you guys have never kissed a girl?
> Thought so...
You really have no clue as to the people you are talking to, do you?
I would wager that 99% of the people you just posted to:
1. Can afford special characters.
[And quite possibly make more money than yourself, given your apparent
levels of education and maturity...]
2. Don't live in their parent's basement.
3. Are far more mature than yourself.
4. Have kissed a girl (or kissed a guy, for any ladies out there).
> BTW: If you guys have any maturity in you, prove it by not flaming this
> post...
Not a flame, just a commentary.
Not a flame, but how many battles take place where every single
Space Wolf character shows up??? With all of the attributes that the
Space Wolves have already, it becomes massive overkill to play with all
of the special characters.
Winning by skill & work begets achievement, winning by cheese
doesn't. I personally play Guard, and will field an assassin or two every
few games, but since I don't have the characters to back up my army, I
can only fall back on its other strengths (such as tanks, and lots of guys).
Space Wolves already have Blood Claws, Grey Hunters, Long Fangs,
etc, and really don't need the characters to make them a tough army.
Using characters can add flavor, but too many just drive opponents away
(from you). Like was said before, usingg the figs is fine, but wwhy not
just make them regular guys (tech-marine, captain, librarian, etc).
Maybe even come up with your own characters, every little bit
improves the game, makes the battles more enjoyable, and will keep
opponents happy, instead of just blowing them off the board in the first
turn. Hell, give me a four turn slug-fest anyday, the fewer models "both"
armies have on the board at the end, the better the battle.
It is far better to lose and learn, then to win and never learn
anything.
Lawrence
> > Just using a few of the named characters eh? Try using a generic
> > commander, wolfpriest, psyker and dreadnaught!
>
> I wasted $$ of the models, you be fuckin nutz not to use the character bub...
no one ever said not to use the model. The models are cool. The
recomendation was to use the generic stats. Besides there is not generic
model for a wolfpriest.
> > just a few allies here, took the inquisitor to aviod the rune priest/grey
> > hunter restriction to doubt.
>
> No, I like the models and they function well in battle....
there is a reason that the greyhunter squad per psyker limit exists, its
called ballance...
> > medic? Do you mean wolf priest? If you you must have a second grey
> > hunter squad.
>
> No, a MEDIC, and you DON'T need a 2nd Grey Hunter squad for it... "You
> can have a additional Wolf priest for every Grey Hunter pack after the 1st
> wolf priest..... Read the CODEX, asshole....
Medic hmm. Looking at the space wolf codex, nope, don't see a medic.
You could take an allied apothecary, but theres another ally...
> > and what army list is this on? Surely you didn't take eldar allies...
>
> Who is dumb enough to take Eldar allies (not that there's anything
> wrong with that) Eldar should stick to Eldar, they work out better....
if you didn't take eldar allies where did that jetbike come from? No one
on the SW list could take it anyway...
> > > -Razorback
> > > -1 Squad of Grey Hunters
> > > -1 Squad of Long Fangs
> > > -5 Wolf Guard Termies, any more would be cheezy
> > too bad iron priests can't get graviton guns, just another illeagal aspect
> > of the army...
>
> Iron Priest are TechMarines, TechMarines are technally Tech Priests, as
> STATED IN THE ULTRA MARINES CODEX.... Or so I've been told...
fluff is not the same as RULES.
servo arm WGC says "techMARINES, TechPRIESTS and squat engineers only"
Graviton gun card says "Imperial techPRIESTS and squat engineers only"
if a techmarine and tech priest were equivalent then they would not BOTH
be listed on the servo arm wargear card. hence techpriests and
techmarines are different.
> > > But you can use it against anyone or anything... Kinda useless agaisnt
> > > psykers though... Give Ragnar the hood of darkness and run him into the
> > > ennemies deployment zone.. De-cloak and HTH psykers, weapon crews etc...
> >
> > special characters, ick! =20
>
> If you have the model, use it!
you have a ragnar model with the hood of darkness, must be special issue!
> > > But hes going to need help like and assassin or grey hunters whatever....
> > > Wolf guard termies, my personal fave... I once played a 1000pt. game just
> > > 5 termies, Ragnar, Callidus Assassin and N'jal, against 1 Patriarch, 1
> > > magus 4 Hybred with Heavy wepons 10 genestealers and 8 other Hybreds... I
> > > won without loosin 1 guy. How you say?
> >
> > its called the cheeze factor!
>
> Ya, fuckin right... It was a 1000 pt. game , what do you expect? Your
> just jealous because you can't afford special characters...
just thankful that I'm tactically adept enough to use generic models,
prepares ya for tourny play...
> BTW: If you guys have any maturity in you, prove it by not flaming this post...
> And Space Wolves RULE!!!
well try the following army, you might find it no so much of an instant
win, but much more satisfying...
Wolf Lord
terminator armour
combiweapon
aegis suit
=168 points
Rune Lord
force rod
d-field
psychic hood
plasma pistol
=250
Techpriest
Bolter
scanner
=49
Long Fangs
2 missile
1 heavy bolter
1 lascannon
=310
Greyhunter
5 with misc assault
=353
Scouts
srgnt with chainsword
=97
Blood Claws
2 assault weapons each
melta bombs
10 jump packs
=462
Whirlwind
autolaunchers
=155
Land Speeder
reinforced armour
=155
if i've done my math right thats 1999 points and a fairly balanced army.
alternately swap out the scouts and whirlwind or land speeder for a
dreadnaught and still have enough points for a rhino. Lets see, that 3
characters, a ~tactical squad, ~assault squad, ~devastator squad and a
scout squad and vehicles to taste...
...or kissed a sheep, for all you slaaneshi freaks out there ;-).
> Well 'Brian' I wasn't talking 'bout or to you, and I don't care what
> some 40+ year old man
22
> with too much time on his hands thinks om my army...
> So with 'all do respect' bri stay out of discussions that don't concern
> you or your wife. And stop enlarging the newsgroup with fuckin useless
> messages like that last one I wrote and stop flaming!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
glass houses, friend...
Another comment on my army no doubt... I MIGHT OWN EVERY CHARCTER MODEL
I DON'T USE THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME!!! Only when I'm too lazy to write
up just a reg character and arm him, wargear him... I use special
character becasue their ready to play from the codex... When I do use alot
of special charcters its to combat against 'cheese' from my opponent...
Namely Eldar (no flames please) because the Eldar players I play against
seem to want to field 6+ warp spiders, ArmourCast Tanks and so on... The
best opponent to play against is Tyranids, no need for cheese unless your
playing low point game and can't afford anything...
-JOn
regards,
> 2. Is Ulrik not a Wolf Priest? Therefore, to include a SECOND wolf priest,
> you would need a SECOND grey hunter pack.
>
> > -Jetbiek
> > > and what army list is this on? Surely you didn't take eldar allies...
> >
> > Who is dumb enough to take Eldar allies (not that there's anything
> > wrong with that) Eldar should stick to Eldar, they work out better....
>
> You didn't answer the question, either.
SO! if you have a problem with JOn's suggestions, tuff. Write some personal
mail to the guy who is buying the army, and tell him what you think. You
don't have to flame JOn for his opinion!
> Did you mean landspeeder?
> Or is this a rogue marine on a lone jetbike?
>
> > > > -Razorback
> > > > -1 Squad of Grey Hunters
> > > > -1 Squad of Long Fangs
> > > > -5 Wolf Guard Termies, any more would be cheezy
> > >
> > > 5 assault cannons no doubt!
> >Whoever the hell wrote this, needs to "Get a Life" (to quote a famous Captain
of the Enterprise.) Calm down!!! You don't have to flame people because you
have nothing else to do!
> > Listen you beeker, I don't arm my guys with 5 assault cannons that
> > whould change WarHammer 40k from an enjoyable like game with friends, to a
> > COLUSSAL WASTE OF TIME... So get the Hell of my back!
>
> Well, winning 12 out of 13 games; mostly on the first turn...
> [From what you have said]
>
> I'd say it already IS a colossal waste of time.
> Maybe this JOn character likes short games, or perhaps thats the way they
play in his gaming group.
> > > too bad iron priests can't get graviton guns, just another illeagal
> > > aspect of the army...
> >
> > Iron Priest are TechMarines, TechMarines are technally Tech Priests, as
> > STATED IN THE ULTRA MARINES CODEX.... Or so I've been told...
>
> Stated in the 'fluff text', not the 'rules' (unfortunately).
>
> > > > I'm usually forced to do this because
> > > > my Eldar opponent uses the Eldar Tempest Tank, which I a hard time
> > > > crackin its armour...
> > >
> > > lascannon it, multimelta it, HTH it
> >
> > Waste all that firepower would be a usless waste'o ammo and HTH, I'd a
> > skimmer....
>
> 1. Waste of ammo?
> One multi-melta shot?
>
> 2. It is a HEAVY skimmer.
> You are allowed to HTH it.
>
> > Ya, fuckin right... It was a 1000 pt. game , what do you expect? Your
> > just jealous because you can't afford special characters...
> >
> > BTW: If you guys have any maturity in you, prove it by not flaming this
> > post...
>
> Not a flame, just a commentary.I'm not aiming this commentary at anyone specific, but the whole newsgroup
community, you people have to relax! Whats with all this flaming, and idiotic
comments? Some guy asks for help, and JOn gives it to him, no need to get all
uptight about it. If you have another opinion, fine, but don't flame some guy
because you think that you are right! Warhammer's just a game, ok??
--
End Of Message...(m_j...@alcor.concordia.ca)
On 3 Sep 1996, Nicolas Pacholski wrote:
> Esko Pyyluoma <drkw...@sci.fi> wrote:
> >
> >I recently bought the Space Wolves codex, and would like all kind of
> >help with them. Specially some help with tactics, I usually play against
>
> Use 10 Wolf Guard all armed with assault cannons and Bjorn with Ablative
> armour and reinforced armour. This usually defeats my Eldar army
> whenever I play SWs.
NO! Don't do that. Not only can it be ineffective but is ch##zy.
A good sw army can have:
Wolf lord
Rune lord
Tech Priest
Greyhunter Squad
Devastator squad
Bloodclaw Squad
and a vehicle or two for 2000 points
>> -Callidus Assassin
>> -Inquisitor
>just a few allies here, took the inquisitor to aviod the rune priest/grey
>hunter restriction to doubt.
Actually he can have 2 Rune Priest in a army that contains inly 1 grey
hunter pack as you can include 1 rune priest in your army regardless of
its size of composition and one othe for every grey hunter pack.. So a
force with 1 Hunter pack would include 1 rune priest to begin with and one
other for the grey hunter pack..
>> -Iron Priest
>> -2 Wolf Guard Champions
>> -Medic
>medic? Do you mean wolf priest? If you you must have a second grey
>hunter squad.
The same answer I gave for the rune priest applies here also..
>> -Jetbiek
>and what army list is this on? Surely you didn't take eldar allies...
??????
>> -Razorback
>> -1 Squad of Grey Hunters
>> -1 Squad of Long Fangs
>> -5 Wolf Guard Termies, any more would be cheezy
>5 assault cannons no doubt!
Anoying are you not. Let him state the weapons he put on the and leave
the stupid referals out of it!!!
>> (To paint wolf fur, I base it white and add brown and/or black)...
>>=20
>> Some tactics ok first NEVER take vortex Grenades... Calm down just get
te=
>h
>> spell.=20
>shucks, too bad no level three spells in tournys
You are getting anoying!! A simple statement will do here..
>> Now arm your Iron priest with a graviton gun and a conversion field
>> with a warp jump or jump pack... :=AC)=20
>too bad iron priests can't get graviton guns, just another illeagal
aspect
>of the army...
(refer to the above for the reply)
A Techmarine is not a Tech Priest whether the UM codex sayes so or not,
if you do not belive me call GW and ask them... A Techmarine is if
anything a Space Marine Tech-Priest not an Imperial Tech-priest who is an
Imperial Agent who is with the Adeptus Mechanicus and not a marine..
Thru...@aol.com
aka: Prophet Pathfinder Wolf Lord of 13th Wulfen Company "The Shadow
Company"
>Sorry Esko, hope what I posted previously help...
>BTW: If you guys have any maturity in you, prove it by not flaming this post...
>And Space Wolves RULE!!!
You're quite a laugh. You can't spell. You can't use grammar
particularly well. You're a hypocrit. You hurl bad insults. You
have no sense of courtesy. People like you were made so that the
average Joe Shmoe could have someone to look down on and sneer with
contempt at.
>Regards,
>regards,
Akilesh Deperalta
> > You're quite a laugh. You can't spell. You can't use grammar
> particularly well.
Your a laugh too, bitch, the 'You can't spell' comeback is the oldest and
nerdiest one in the the book... You'd think someone as smart as you could
come up with something better, guess not.
> You're a hypocrit. You hurl bad insults. You
> have no sense of courtesy. People like you were made so that the
> average Joe Shmoe could have someone to look down on and sneer with
> contempt at.
And you hurl bad inslults yourself (see above). And why would he care to
be courteous to people for flaming him when he was trying to help some
newbie...
Why don't you just stay out of it Akilesh, this disscussion doesn't
concern you or your fat fish eat'n friends, alright?
But I like that bottom joke their, did you write that one yourself? Or
did your big fat wife help you?
BTW: He's grammar is fine, your the hypocrit. And you are probably the one
normal people look down on or at least cooler people. Here's a hint buddy,
get off the net, get a life...
-RANULF
regards,
Karel Exner
ex...@ccnet.com