Actually, TSR did NOT create the bugbear. By Websters states the following
as a definition to the word:
1 : an imaginary goblin or specter used to excite fear.
Now if we used to TSR definition of bugbear, we might have a problem, but
we can use the word BUGBEAR and assign it whatever characteristics we want.
This is a small point, but I wonder if we could compile a list of 'standard'
monster names that TSR doesn't own.
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In all of these, I have erred on the side of caution. I will do some
research and most likely add to this list. If you are sure about a
monster, please feel free to add to the list. If you do so, amend the
subject to so indicate (i.e. T$R-Safe monsters 2)
Mike "Defiler Lord" Nancarrow
> These monsters and creatures
> exist in works or legends other than those of T$R (hey, that's easier to
> type, too.), or they are real.
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You forgot "humans". They're in the Monstrous Compendium.
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: In all of these, I have erred on the side of caution. I will do some
: research and most likely add to this list. If you are sure about a
: monster, please feel free to add to the list. If you do so, amend the
: subject to so indicate (i.e. T$R-Safe monsters 2)
Again, this is all missing the point. TSR can't sue me if I publish a
'generic' adventure with the monster 'goblin' in it. But if I list that
goblin as having AC 7, 1-4 hp, THAC0 20, Intelligence Low, etc, then I'm
using TSR's copyrighted monster. If I needed the Monstrous Manual or
other TSR product to get the information for 'goblins', then I've
probably violated copyright. Note, I am NOT saying TSR can copyright
terms like Armor Class, Intelligence, etc. But, if I get the information
for goblins from a TSR product, and republish it in another form, I've
created a derivative work, and am thus liable.
But a lot of the discussion goes on whether T$R can get angry if you, in
your adventure, state: "For the statistics of the goblins, see Monster
Manual p. xx or Monstrous Compendium p. yy." As for trademark protection,
look at all the fuss Palladium Books generated when The Primal Order was
released. In that case, T$R were a lot more lenient and allowed the use of
TSR as long as Wizards included the "TSR, AD&D etc. are trademarks of TSR
Hobbies, Inc." line.
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This interpreatation is correct. I checked with legal, and you've got it.
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Ia> You forgot "humans". They're in the Monstrous Compendium.
He listed them, as they are listed in the Monster Manual (dunno where they are
in the Monstrous Compendium), under 'Men'. . . .
Kendall
: This interpreatation is correct. I checked with legal, and you've got it.
: Rob Repp | InterNet: tsr...@aol.com
Ah, get with the program, then! Fire your legal staff, and hire me! I can
almost promise that I'll be a lot cheaper! :)
As a side note the Huorns (treeish-Ent) of Tolkien are more like the standard
TSR treant. More information may be found in the second book of _Lord of the
Rings_.
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BT> Again, this is all missing the point. TSR can't sue me if I publish a
BT> 'generic' adventure with the monster 'goblin' in it. But if I list
BT> that goblin as having AC 7, 1-4 hp, THAC0 20, Intelligence Low, etc,
BT> then I'm using TSR's copyrighted monster. If I needed the Monstrous
BT> Manual or other TSR product to get the information for 'goblins', then
BT> I've probably violated copyright. Note, I am NOT saying TSR can
BT> copyright terms like Armor Class, Intelligence, etc. But, if I get the
BT> information for goblins from a TSR product, and republish it in
BT> another form, I've created a derivative work, and am thus liable.
True, but then why don't you just put down *specific* hit point totals (could
be for/from any game system), and list the armor *type* and not the class, and
who *needs* THAC0? Why do people think they need to quote the entire
description & stats of 'goblin' in order to *use* 'goblin' in their modules?!
Some of these derivative problems are so easy to bypass, and in (what looks
like to the non-lawyer me to be) legal ways. . . .
Kendall
Such as "details about goblins available in the DragonNet.Monsters.Book (soon
to come)"?
Sounds great, if the DragonNet.Monsters.Book just presents monsters in
a generic form.
J-M
In the Monstrous Compendium(tm) (MC1 I think) they are listed under 'Men'.
In the updated Monstrous Manual, the heading was changed to the more
politically correct 'Humans'.
>Kendall
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: Actually, T** did NOT create the bugbear. By Websters states the following
: as a definition to the word:
: 1 : an imaginary goblin or specter used to excite fear.
They didn't invent kobolds, gnomes, dwarves, banshees or any of a number of
other things. BTW: Kobolds are not reptilian. They are little nasty fairy
types in old German mythology (maybe Gaelic too). Look sort of like dirty
small children with big, pointed, furry ears and nasty pointed teeth... So
if you just go back to the originals in many cases you short cut their
copyright information and shouldn't have any problem because mythological
and folklore stories are generally PD (though someones presentation of one
may be copyrighted, see the book "Fairies").