Nintendo 64 Chess
Jean-Christophe Weill
Our famous friend Komputer Korner just show his "inkopetence" once more :
he wrote :
<<
Well, the Virtual Chess program did finish in 2nd place at the 1997 world
micro, so it is a strong program but the site claims that it is a world
champion so that is a lie. Also, I would like to know what GM 40/2
tournament it participated in to get a TPR of 2680? Nobody here has heard
of it. Despite the hype, Virtual Chess is a very strong program so you
can't go wrong by buying it if you have a Nintendo system.
-- - -Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer
>>
In The ICCA Journal of December '97, you can read page 255
The Virtual Chess Team received a second golden trophy for retaining the
title of Professional World Microcomputer Chess Champion.
(So there is no lie in the Web page only a non knowledgeable Komputer !)
BTW, Virtual Chess 2 is on shelves since mid-december in France and
should have touch some others European country since. USA should
receive it very soon from now. (Mainly when distributors are ready)
-- Jean-Christophe Weill
A really inkompetent Virtual Chess programmer....
Sorry for the included Ad. but I can't let others saying stupid things...
Komputer Korner
This is another case of semantics. Just because an organization gives out
an award for professional/commercial champion doesn't make it true. There
has never been any such thing as a commercial champion because there has
never been a world championship of off the shelf software. The ICCA awards
the title of commercial champion to experimental never before seen programs
that are kept secret locked in a hard drive of the programmer's computer
which may or may not be available commercially. Are we expected to believe
that the opening book that the programmer used is always exactly what the
consumer will receive? Also if the program runs on expensive hardware that
99.99% of the consumers will never have, what relation is the so called
champion to what the home buyer will actually use? Also what runs at the
championship is a souped up stripped down version of the program which by
the time all the bells and whistles have been added again costs processing
speed. This hypocrisy has even extended to the SSDF where programmers are
supplying DOS versions to the Swedish testers. Are these DOS versions
exactly what the consumer is getting in the store? The ICCA believes
that they need commercial sponsorship in order to continue running world
championships. Well in that case, it will always be hard to separate fact
from fiction when the consumer decides on which program is strongest,
because whoever sponsors ends up making the rules. Just because the ICCA
says it ain't so, doesn't make it the word of GOD.
Also I should point out that even though Virtual Chess 2 will be a very
strong program, because the Nintendo version will be encased in an inferior
chip as far as integer programming is concerned, it will not play anywhere
near the strength of a Pentium II running Virtual Chess 2.
--
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Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer
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Also every statement of mine should be taken with a grain of salt. Read at
your own risk and
assume that it is only this humble komputer's opinion.
Jean-Christophe Weill <inc...@calva.net> wrote in article
<68spe5$khk$1...@bagard.calvacom.fr>...
mclane
"Jean-Christophe Weill" <inc...@calva.net> wrote:
>Our famous friend Komputer Korner just show his "inkopetence" once more :
>he wrote :
><<
>Well, the Virtual Chess program did finish in 2nd place at the 1997 world
>micro, so it is a strong program but the site claims that it is a world
>champion so that is a lie. Also, I would like to know what GM 40/2
>tournament it participated in to get a TPR of 2680? Nobody here has heard
>of it. Despite the hype, Virtual Chess is a very strong program so you
>can't go wrong by buying it if you have a Nintendo system.
>-- - -Komputer Korner
>The inkompetent komputer
>>>
>In The ICCA Journal of December '97, you can read page 255
>The Virtual Chess Team received a second golden trophy for retaining the
>title of Professional World Microcomputer Chess Champion.
>(So there is no lie in the Web page only a non knowledgeable Komputer !)
I have really no idea why he choses those strange insulting words.
There was no need to do so. HE chose the offending words although he
seems NOT to know the facts. And he was not able to correct his spoken
untrue words in public.
I don't understand this.
Can anyone explain this strange weird behaviour ?
I thought komputers act on logic and reasons not on strange emotions.
>BTW, Virtual Chess 2 is on shelves since mid-december in France and
>should have touch some others European country since. USA should
>receive it very soon from now. (Mainly when distributors are ready)
This is a good thing !
Do you know a price yet ?
>-- Jean-Christophe Weill
>A really inkompetent Virtual Chess programmer....
>Sorry for the included Ad. but I can't let others saying stupid things...
This is ok from my point of view. You GOT the title and nobody should
try to say this is not true. Also Virtual2 IS indeed a very strong
program. So I don't see ANY moralic point in saying your title was not
played out without Virtual working for it.
Virtual did a good job and received the title. Point. And no doubt !!
I will buy the program as soon as possible because it looks like a
very very strong program !
Congratulations !
mclane
"Komputer Korner" <kor...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>This is another case of semantics.
No it isn't semantics. It is fact !
If you deny Virtual's title, you have to deny Juniors title in Paris,
Bruce-Blitz-title and also all the other ICCA titles in the past years
!
If you want to do this ?! I don't think it would be a case of
"semantics".
> Just because an organization gives out
>an award for professional/commercial champion doesn't make it true.
Maybe you have a problem with your eyes and ears and with your brain !
If a program is second with 8 from 11 and has fought good games as the
best commercial chess program and gets the title by the
computer-chess-organisation that held this tournament, then I would
say: it is true.
I don't know how you define TRUTH !
But maybe you mean something different. Please clarify your
connotations. Otherwise you look pretty stupid by claiming something
that you cannot claim with reconsidering and reordering the facts in
the right order ! :-)
> There
>has never been any such thing as a commercial champion because there has
>never been a world championship of off the shelf software.
I don't know where you have been over the last 15 years.
But maybe you life in a country far away from computerchess, in the
woods or somewhere. There has always been a commercial title and
commercial competition to get this title. I remember how proud ScySys
printed their "won" title icon Travemuende 1981 on their packages !
Mark V WAS the winner of the 1981 championship.
Since we have SOFTWARE the things are completely the same.
Anybody is invited to participate those ICCA championships and many do
it and they could win if they would participate.
I don't understand what you want, a world championship of the shelf
software ?!? Do it yourself if you want it.
>The ICCA awards
>the title of commercial champion to experimental never before seen programs
>that are kept secret locked in a hard drive of the programmer's computer
>which may or may not be available commercially. Are we expected to believe
>that the opening book that the programmer used is always exactly what the
>consumer will receive?
Your arguments are ok. I see your point. I remember i heard a story
that Dieter Steinwender or Frederic or both tried to buy Chess
Champion Mark V 1981 in a warehouse in Travemuende or Hamburg just to
make sure the COMMERCIAL machine is sold in the shops while the
tournament is done.
I can reread my sources if you want. But I am sure it was the same
with Mephisto 3 S who got the commercial title in 1984 in Glasgow.
Look - your points make sense if you say: in the times of the old
dedicated machines no one was really sure that the machine that got
the title , and the machine that is sold later in the shops are really
the same strength. But since we have software now, it is vice versa.
Often the ORIGINAL championship version if weaker than the commercial
sold version !! At the championship the team dicsovered bugs and they
fixed the bug before the program was sold. So what ?
The reason the software is kept secret and is locked is:
nobody wants to make the opponent able to find out about the
opening-lines of the enemy . Also some programmers have source-codes
on their machines and if these codes get stolen (don't tell me this
does not happen ! It happens !) their base of existance or their work
of many years gets stolen too.
I don't know what you want to believe about the opening book of
championship and commercial-versions. But this does not give you the
right to offend the Virtual2 team by announceing as a famous
beta-tester and computer-expert that a team who GOT a title by the
official ICCA did not get the title just because YOU have a different
opinion.
You can believe many things. But when you go in public and claim those
strange views, your seriousity will fall, believe me.
>Also if the program runs on expensive hardware that
>99.99% of the consumers will never have, what relation is the so called
>champion to what the home buyer will actually use?
Junior ran on a Pentium2/300 Mhz and before (the first rounds) on
slower hardware. Virtual2 also on a Pentium2/300 Mhz.
This machine was sold in germany for 3000-4000 DM depending on the
size of RAM and harddisc you choose. 3000 DM is not that much
expensive ? Also the other participants (Mchess7) ran on K6/233 Mhz !
This chip is also not much expensive and Mchess did a very good 4th
rank ! Again: your points would make a sense in the old dedicated
machine times when e.g. Richard Lang used special hardware, or
Nitsche/Henne or some Fidelity machines were special hardware. But in
our days ??? I don't see you point ! Sorry.
>Also what runs at the
>championship is a souped up stripped down version of the program which by
>the time all the bells and whistles have been added again costs processing
>speed.
????
I think you should stop spreading your stupid comments, because they
are not true !
Mchess7 in Paris was very much the version that is sold now !
The same with Virtual2, same "bells and whistles" !!
Also ChessSystemTal played in the same "bells and whistles" way it is
sold now.
Comet is on Gambit website (YOU SHOULD KNOW IT THE BEST :-)
and is not much different than the version played in paris.
Fritz looked very much the same in Paris like the version that was
sold in other countries than germany (must have something to do with
the release date).
So which professional program played in a SPECIAL version in PARIS
????
I remember only a few amateurs using text-screens and
text-command-lines to get more hardware power, I don't remember
professional programs using your claimed methods.
If your words are obviously not true, why do you claim them again ?
I thought ONE mistake (attacking the Virtual team) was enough ?
>This hypocrisy has even extended to the SSDF where programmers are
>supplying DOS versions to the Swedish testers.
These "DOS-VERSIONS" are also commercially sold on the Genius5 disc !
Have you ever bought Genius5. Take a look on the cd. There is Genius5
Dos.
So - if these versions are sold commercially AND were used in sweden,
what is your point ?
>Are these DOS versions
>exactly what the consumer is getting in the store?
You think they have stronger versions in sweden and weaker in the
shops ?
Aha ! And why ?
> The ICCA believes
>that they need commercial sponsorship in order to continue running world
>championships. Well in that case, it will always be hard to separate fact
>from fiction when the consumer decides on which program is strongest,
????? Blabla ! What do you claim with the above sentence ?? Stop
semantics and tell me what you claim, that the outcome of PARIS was
cheated because Titus sponsored it ?
Do you really believe this ?
I am very ashamed of what you do. And I really don't know why you
construct this. Maybe you are no expert at all. If you would be an
expert, you would never guess the idea that Virtual would not have
been able to win a title WITHOUT help. Virtual is a strong program. In
Paris and sold in the shops.
>because whoever sponsors ends up making the rules. Just because the ICCA
>says it ain't so, doesn't make it the word of GOD.
The sponsor is making the rules ?
I thought the ICCA is making the rules.
One can argue how sensefull they make their "rules" (and I ever
critisized them doing it) but the sponsor does not get a title for
free, or better: for his sponsoring.
>Also I should point out that even though Virtual Chess 2 will be a very
>strong program, because the Nintendo version will be encased in an inferior
>chip as far as integer programming is concerned, it will not play anywhere
>near the strength of a Pentium II running Virtual Chess 2.
And you know how strong the nintendo version will be ?
And why do you call them liars although they really got the title ???
>--
>- -
>Komputer Korner
I can only give you the advise to stop those silly statements.
Otherwise you will make a fool out of yourself :-)
Jean-Christophe Weill
Komputer Korner wrote in the messagee <01bd1acc$2929d5a0$8e5bb5cf@ALAN>...
>This is another case of semantics. Just because an organization gives out
>an award for professional/commercial champion doesn't make it true. There
> ...
Well You can say it is semantic, but it is only true fact and so the web
page
is telling the truth.
What about FIDE and PCA (or it sports) World Championship Title.
For your information in the Paris, Virtual Chess II was running with the
full
32 bits versions (including graphics/sound/etc...) not in a DOS version.
The only true difference with the commercial version is that the book is
quite different
because we find in previous tournaments that some times we were out of book
in strange lines and the opponents were still in..... Only not to allow
people to cook
book on the commercial version of VC . !!!!
>from fiction when the consumer decides on which program is strongest,
>because whoever sponsors ends up making the rules. Just because the ICCA
>says it ain't so, doesn't make it the word of GOD.
So there is no World Computer Chess Champion !
Or if you prefer
Virtual Chess 2 is the ICCA World Professional Micro Computer Chess
Champion.
Kasparov is the PCA World Chess Champion.
Karpov is the FIDE World Chess Champion.
Komputer Korner is for x Kompetent on Computer Chess.
Komputer Korner is for y inKompetent on Computer Chess.
Every thing is relative said somebody else !
Jean-Christophe Weill
Co-author of VC II
Komputer Korner
Well when Junior gets released as a commercial entity which will be very
soon, what do we call it, the World Amateur champion?
Clearly the title of Professional World micro chamion is ridiculous. For
the information of the great unwashed, Junior finished 1.5 points ahead of
Virtual Chess in the Paris tournament (World micro championship).
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Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer
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Also every statement of mine should be taken with a grain of salt. Read at
your own risk and
assume that it is only this humble komputer's opinion.
Jean-Christophe Weill <inc...@calva.net> wrote in article
<68vsv2$p9i$1...@bagard.calvacom.fr>...
mclane
"Komputer Korner" <kor...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>For
>the information of the great unwashed, Junior finished 1.5 points ahead of
>Virtual Chess in the Paris tournament (World micro championship).
AND ??
Do you really believe Junior is that much stronger than Virtual2 ?
Believe me, Virtual is a very very strong program !
I thought they would win the championship, and despite Junior
overtaking them , at least they won the professional title. But their
title was won BECAUSE they did a good job and their program plays
strong.
I think we will see this in the ssdf-list in 1/2 year from today. If
you want to wait until then... :-) you will see the evidence... :-)
Jean-Christophe Weill
Komputer Korner a écrit dans le message <01bd1b96$5eca4300$a95bb5cf@ALAN>...
>Well when Junior gets released as a commercial entity which will be very
>soon, what do we call it, the World Amateur champion?
>Clearly the title of Professional World micro chamion is ridiculous. For
>the information of the great unwashed, Junior finished 1.5 points ahead of
>Virtual Chess in the Paris tournament (World micro championship).
>--
Junior is the ICCA World MicroComputer Chess Champion.
Do you think that 1.5/12 is statistically signifiant ? I doubt this !
Junior is strong, no doubt about that... But probably, Virtual Chess II is
strong too, as Shredder and etc....
BTW, you did beat Junior in Paris ?
(FYI, Marc -François and I were very upset in the round just after Shredder
because when we saw the opening we knew that he never happenned
in our preparation and we knew that VCII would have select the bad
plan in this kind of opening...
It appears that someone just rename the shortcut in the Win NT
desktop, so that VCII was using the demonstration opening book
(not the tournament one). Marc-François saw this after the game against
CTAL. Since we were using the full Windows (sound/graphics) version
we did not see the change in the shortcut !!!!!! (Now the tournament
specific version displays a dialog box at the start ....... But we prefer
not to switch to DOS version)
Also, as a mathematician, I always remember that 12 games is not enough
to have a statistically signifiant results.
In a Tennis Championship, e.g. the French Open, the winner is not always
the best player... I am sure you are familiar with this notion. But he is
the
French Open winner, no doubt about that. Even if Uman Tennisman says
that he is not !
Jean-Christophe Weill
De deux choses, l'une, l'autre c'est le soleil.
mclane
"Jean-Christophe Weill" <inc...@calva.net> wrote:
>Do you think that 1.5/12 is statistically signifiant ? I doubt this !
I think it looks pretty senseless to confront him with facts or
statistics. He has his prejudices and seems not that he will change
his mind.
>Jean-Christophe Weill
>De deux choses, l'une, l'autre c'est le soleil.
Whatever HE says, I will buy Virtual Chess 2, BECAUSE it is a strong
chess program.
Komputer Korner
I have noticed that in post after post, you take delight in twisting
whatever words I have to say and always taking the opposite point of view
to whatever I have to say. You are an expert in program styles and search
strategies only because you spend hours and hours as a CSTAL auto tester
against most of the other programs. You have demonstrated time and time
again that when you read the answers to my posts you always find a way to
attack me. Because you aren't completely over the edge like the Pope,
people will listen to you. I have found that when you are confronted with
logic and facts, you start attacking the messenger ie witness your sorry
episodes of attacking Bob Hyatt in the past on topics like 1PV vs 2 PV's...
etc . I admit that you do get under my skin but only because you are
devious. Others may attack me directly, but at least they are
straightforward about it. You on the other hand from the very beginning
have always strove to discredit me in any way that you can. Well Thorsten,
it won't work because when the emperor has no clothes, I tell the world
that the emperor has no clothes. You on the other hand will willingly go
along with the crowd that thinks that titles like Professional world
champion are actually meaningful when in fact they mean absolutely nothing.
The latest world micro proved this because when Junior comes out in 2 weeks
it will be just as professional/ commercial as VC 2 . Calling VC2 the
world professional champion is like saying that Junior is not a champion.
Overall and amateur champion doesn't cut it. Anybody looking at the
advertising hype (whether the word professional is in the ad copy or not)
could mistakenly think that there was no other program that was better than
VC 2 in Paris. Well even though VC2 is an extremely strong program, it
still finished 2nd so it was not a champion. I have nothing against VC 2
but am just calling it the way I see it.
- -
Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer
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Please do not email both me and the r.g.c.c. at the same time. I read all
the postings on r.g.c.c.
Also every statement of mine should be taken with a grain of salt. Read at
your own risk and
assume that it is only this humble komputer's opinion.
mclane <mcl...@prima.ruhr.de> wrote in article
<69365l$8s6$1...@steve.prima.ruhr.de>...
mclane
"Komputer Korner" <kor...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>I have noticed that in post after post, you take delight in twisting
>whatever words I have to say and always taking the opposite point of view
>to whatever I have to say.
I guess you adress to me ?!
Ok - I take the shoe...
> You are an expert in program styles and search
>strategies only because you spend hours and hours as a CSTAL auto tester
>against most of the other programs.
I am no expert. All I am is a computer-chess fan.
I had a life before CSTal and will have a life after it.
I do not only play with CSTal. You underestimate my amount of
spare-time ! :-)
> You have demonstrated time and time
>again that when you read the answers to my posts you always find a way to
>attack me.
I hope you are not constructing a new paranoic trauma ?
Whatever. It is true that I comment when I think one of your posts was
not ok or when I believe you are wrong or whatever.
I do this to other people too. I do this with friends and enemies. I
call this communication and often I give compliments, but sometimes i
give critics. Sometimes I don't value at all and talk about weather,
family and other hobbies I have.
>Because you aren't completely over the edge like the Pope,
>people will listen to you.
I take this as a compliment, although .... :-)
>I have found that when you are confronted with
>logic and facts, you start attacking the messenger
????
You confront me with facts and logic ??
In fact :-) you have confronted me with ANTI-logic and ANTI-facts
talking about Virtual chess in Paris.
The programmer tried to explain you too, but you showed no
understanding at all.
Do you really believe that confrontation with logic or facts makes me
attack people ? :-)
What really makes me attack people is e.g. when they spread (for
whatever strange reasons) lies and strange ideas about things I like.
Virtual is such a thing and you give your best to make it bad.
>ie witness your sorry
>episodes of attacking Bob Hyatt in the past on topics like 1PV vs 2 PV's...
>etc .
When I attack Bob this comes out of the context. I do not attack
people because they present what you call facts.
I was a long time at school and my major courses were (in the order of
lessons)
maths
german
informatik
philosophy.
I am sure in a competition in logic or rationality I could easily
stand against you :-)
> I admit that you do get under my skin but only because you are
>devious.
!!!! :-)
I am devious ???
But I am always honest to you !
What the hell do you project in my comments ?
I have never done anything devious concerning you.
You are very funny ... indeed. :-)
>Others may attack me directly, but at least they are
>straightforward about it.
So where is my big lie towards you ??
Where am I devious ???
Show me in example please. I am interested in this!
>You on the other hand from the very beginning
>have always strove to discredit me in any way that you can.
Right. When you say rubbish/nonsense I answer on this. I learned not
to asnwer almost any rubbish, but the serious one !
I will not let you continue to post rubbish about Virtual chess !
This has nothing to do with you. I would also defend Virtual chess if
Chris would attack it or post rubbish about it.
It is not my intention to discredit you. All I want is to comment your
posts when I am different opinion. Is this allowed in a democratic
forum?
> Well Thorsten,
>it won't work because when the emperor has no clothes, I tell the world
>that the emperor has no clothes.
Aha ! Very nice. So - why am I naked and why am I an emperor ??
> You on the other hand will willingly go
>along with the crowd that thinks that titles like Professional world
>champion are actually meaningful when in fact they mean absolutely nothing.
Look. When you say
"when in fact they mean absolutely nothing" than I have problems to
accept this because I cannot live with the word
"in fact"
"absolutely nothing"
and that you don't call it "IMO".
You call an official title by the ICCA ficticious.
I don't know why you do this. I could name you 100 reasons to critic
the ICCA. So I could understand your reasons. But - when you write it
THIS WAY, you will get my comments. If you like it, or not.
>The latest world micro proved this because when Junior comes out in 2 weeks
> it will be just as professional/ commercial as VC 2 . Calling VC2 the
>world professional champion is like saying that Junior is not a champion.
The opposite is true. When you say the world professional title of the
ICCA is not worth anything than you imply in the same sentence that
junior's title is worth the same = nothing , or , in your words:
alsolutely nothing. Because Amir got the title by the ICCA !
Ask Amir and he will tell you the same: Virtual is a strong chess
program and if you let it run against junior 100 times on your
autoplayer junior will not kill virtual chess like hell.
You accept juniors title and call virtual's title nothing. This
overestimates junior and underestimates the strength of virtual chess.
This is not fair and therefore I comment.
You say they play with special versions, I comment the professionals
played with very commercially versions.
There was ONE program that played with a very special version :-)
and this program was JUNIOR !!!
So if you want to critic a program because it run on a special DOS
version and will be sold commercially in a WEAKER WIN 16 Bit version
you
SHOULD NOT ATTACK :
VIRTUAL CHESS
CHESS SYSTEM TAL
MCHESS PRO
FRITZ5
because they are sold commercially in the same way they appeared in
PARIS!
The only program that used the method you describe and what you call
a betray against the customers is :-)
Junior ! :-)
I think you should oversleep your posts another few days and
reconsider your statements about logic and facts again !
Maybe there was a little miscalculation in your statements ! :-)
>Overall and amateur champion doesn't cut it. Anybody looking at the
>advertising hype (whether the word professional is in the ad copy or not)
>could mistakenly think that there was no other program that was better than
>VC 2 in Paris. Well even though VC2 is an extremely strong program, it
>still finished 2nd so it was not a champion. I have nothing against VC 2
>but am just calling it the way I see it.
The way YOU see it.
And now you want to tell us that a program that run 32 Bit on a
special text-like Turbo-chess user-interface and that is sold months
later on a 16-bit WINdows based user-interface with bells and whistles
(and lots of graphics stuff) is the same strength than the
professional programs that run in Paris and got their titles in
playing on the same user-interface and same bit-like they are sold now
?
I think you turn black to white and vice versa and try to sell us
apples instead of oranges !
I will not accept this !
They gave 3 titles in Paris. and maybe you don't understand this.
Although you are very best in logic and facts :-) but you cannot
change reality as you like just because it is YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
Komputer Korner
With your last post, you proved my point. Because under the present rules,
next time Junior will be classified as a Professional program and even
though the store version probably will not be the version that Junior will
play under in The next world micro, it will still be allowed to win the
"Professional " title. Again a meaningless title but this time for a
different reason. You can't seem to read well, because I never attacked
VC2. I attacked ICCA and the NIntendo ad. There is only one winner in the
world micro and the ICCA can dream up all the categories they want, but it
won't change the fact of who scored the most points. Carrying the
categories to a riduculous extreme we could end up with the last place
finisher winning the title of "Most improved program" or "highest
finishing Program with a market share of less than 1%".
- -
Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer
If you see a 1 in my email address, take it out before replying.
Please do not email both me and the r.g.c.c. at the same time. I read all
the postings on r.g.c.c.
Also every statement of mine should be taken with a grain of salt. Read at
your own risk and
assume that it is only this humble komputer's opinion.
mclane <mcl...@prima.ruhr.de> wrote in article
<6944qk$7ud$1...@steve.prima.ruhr.de>...
>
> I think you should oversleep your posts another few days and
> reconsider your statements about logic and facts again !
> Maybe there was a little miscalculation in your statements ! :-)
mclane
"Komputer Korner" <kor...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>With your last post, you proved my point.
Of course. Thats because you are always right. Especially when you are
not right ! :-)
>Because under the present rules,
>next time Junior will be classified as a Professional program and even
>though the store version probably will not be the version that Junior will
>play under in The next world micro, it will still be allowed to win the
>"Professional " title.
Really ? And how do you know ?? I would not bet about this. I did not
understand why Chris program was professional and I am not sure if
they will count Junior in the next championship as professional.
All I know is that if you deny Virtual's title, you also have to deny
Bruce's title in 1997 and 1995 and also other titles e.g. Mephisto
Genius' title in 1993 because it was HIARCS who won the title, and the
amateur title !!
You cannot say Virtual's title is not counting, but all other titles
count .
> Again a meaningless title but this time for a
>different reason.
If Amir pays 1000 $ :-)
> You can't seem to read well, because I never attacked
>VC2.
You said their won title is not counting. I would call this, at least,
a little attacking ? Especially because it is not true. Not from the
facts and not from the good games Virtual played.
>I attacked ICCA
Aha !
>and the NIntendo ad.
Aha !
> There is only one winner in the
>world micro
??? So genius did not win 1993 in munich ?? It was hiarcs ! Aha.
And junior has to give the title back because he played with a special
prepared version ?
And next year he is not allowed to play with the DOS text-version
because than it is a professional.
>and the ICCA can dream up all the categories they want, but it
>won't change the fact of who scored the most points.
As I said - Hiarcs scored better than Genius in 1993 ! So Richard
should hand back the title !!
Good idea !
I will tell this to mark, he will be pleased about to hear ...
>Carrying the
>categories to a riduculous extreme we could end up with the last place
>finisher winning the title of "Most improved program" or "highest
>finishing Program with a market share of less than 1%".
Good idea, maybe this way you could participate with you own program
and get a title ??!