World Records in Craps
Michael Jones
Mason
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> You might find these world records to be interesting. Follow the link:
>
You might find these accounts of alien abductions to be interesting.
Follow the link:
Mr. V
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GOLDEN TOUCH, DICE CONTROL, AND
CRAPS
IF YOUR TEACHERS ARE SO GOOD WHY ARE THEY TEACHING?
The old cliché "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach," sounds
profound and appears to be a witty way of mocking individuals who
belong to a given profession. Unfortunately, like most cliches it
suffers upon examination. The greatest teachers in the world are
usually those who have actually accomplished something in their given
field. The greatest learning for a student comes under the tutelage of
those who "can do" and "can teach." as well. The Golden Touch
instructors, each and every one of them, have been successful in their
chosen fields and at the craps tables - and they can do, in the casino,
exactly what they are teaching you!
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My my, the Dice Gods have deigned to descend to earth, and will show
Mortal Man the path to Nirvana...for a hefty fee.
Such unadulterated bovine excrement!
roll dem bones
Bother@forgedpostsanonymous.unorg Cymbal Man Freq.
"Mr. V" <zenc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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<Such unadulterated bovine excrement!
roll dem bones
I had to replace my toilet plunger today ($7.50). The old one wore off the pole.
Bother@forgedpostsanonymous.unorg Cymbal Man Freq.
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| roll dem bones
I hereby trademark the phrase "That's Bullshit!", before Paris Hilton trademarks
"That's Cool" for her new winter wear lineup. "That's Hot!,....and steamy!"
hea...@casino.com
but seriously now - do you have ANY idea how ridiculous this stuff
makes you look? Even your own people think it's stupid. What the hell
are you thinking?
Mason
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Go ahead! Piss away!
You'll feel much better!
Anonymous
World Champion: Dominator
March 31, 2005, Canada (Casino Play)
56 Straight numbers before a seven showed.
(end of snapped)
I read the whole thread and as a newbie have been wondering about
precision shooting. The best shooting position is to the right of the
stick-man in my opinion so you do not have to throw far. I put the
five's up with the ones to the left. Beating the pass line on my roll
seems to work. But what I want to know and maybe one of you guys could
tell me is what do you set the dice on when you are beating the Don's
and want lots of sevens. How do you set the dice to achieve this?
Off topic "World Champion: Dominator" is the name of one of the top
telemarketers at CW Agencies in Vancouver BC CA. They sell lottery
tickets overseas. They do not sell to the USA, but mainly France,
Germany, New Zealand and Australia. Me I sell newspapers over the phone
and am one of the top sales people at our office. So how do you be a
"Dominator" and throw lots of sevens. What do you have to set the dice
on boys and girls.
Mr. V
area.
Perhaps he practices his grip and throw tossing wingtips at his
employees?
His exploits are naught but yet another larger than life construct from
the fertile mind of Frank Scoblete, hack extraordinaire.
("I'm your captain, yeah yeah yeah yeah...")
My advice: forget about dice setting, as it is a fantasy, filled with
false hope, an abject fraud designed to enrichen its promoters at the
expense of the dolts.
You'd be better off to devote your energy and money to working out in a
gym, to clear your mind and toughen your body for the rigors of craps.
Seriously.
roll dem bones
acpa
understand how this is suppose to work. Doe it work, I don't know. As I
have said before I have been at the table with some of the instructors of
dice influencing or whatever the current term is, and have no first hand
experience of their ability to influence the dice.
I have read Sharpshooters book and what is called a sevens set would have
the 3-4 on the top of the dice with 5-2 on the side facing you. the 6 is on
the outside of one die and the 1 on the outside of the other die that you
can see.
It is a physical skill, can you learn to do it? I don't know, I have read
books on golf, but I can't play like Tiger.
Noah
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Mason
> It is a physical skill, can you learn to do it?
What absurdity!
Make a list of all the physical skills that can't be learned.
>I don't know, I have read books on golf, but I can't play like Tiger.
The analogy is asinine. Skill in golf is not simply alleged in books by those
who profit from the marketing of the concept, it is unquestionably demonstrated
and quantified. Relative skill levels are assigned weighting factors based on
performance against objective standards.
--
Onward thru the fog,
Mason
golf...@casino.com
Oh boy, the fog bank has rolled in today. Mason using the golf
analogy?????
I've been saying this for years and have been criticized for it. Now
Fog Boy comes in and says the skill can be quantified and there you go.
Well shooting can be qualified as well. And like golf, sometimes it
works and sometimes it doesn't. Great example in this week's Masters.
On the 1st day Tiger putts for an eagle and ends up in a creek. Last
day he flies the green on 16 and chips the ball sideways and ends up
with a birdie. He then makes a bogey on 17 and 18. He then makes a
great putt in the playoff and wins. Bad, good, bad and good. Sort of
like craps. Good rolls and then a point 7.
There are relative skill levels in craps.
It is not gonna be of any use to discuss it because of the closed minds
here and their entrenched opinions.
I just hope everyone see what old Mason just did. In the past he held
the position golf doesn't apply. Poof. Today golf (read skill) can be
quantified.
Actually, Mason's skill in taking positions is like golf and shooting.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
The things that go on in a fog.
Have a nice day.
Golfer
Mason
"The analogy is asinine."
Golfer
" Oh boy, the fog bank has rolled in today. Mason using the golf analogy?????"
No, Golfer.
Mason called the golf analogy to dice control used by Noah "asinine" and
explained why.
Once again, Golfer rushes forward to demontrate his manifest short comings.
alan
control or dice influencing is impossible? And if its because of the
alligator bumps, explain why?
(By the way, the sand traps, rocks, hills, don't stop great golfers, so
why should alligator bumps?)
Mr. V
WHY do you believe dice
control or dice influencing is impossible? And if its because of the
alligator bumps, explain why?
Fair question.
The entire precision shooting concept is based on keeping the dice on
axis, such that they are on the same axis after they stop rolling as
they were when the shooter picked them up and launched them.
I can accept the possibility that some folks can, through extensive
practice, muscle control, whatever, keep the dice on axis as they fly
through the air, but it is the "rough landing" that causes me to part
company with the faithful.
To my mind, there really is no way to keep the dice regularly on axis,
over and over, once they hit the felt, or the wall; there are too many
factors which will influence the manner and direction in which they
travel.
If they land in less than perfect synchronicity, randomness will
follow: both have to stay on axis, and it won't happen if their angle
at landing differs, or if one has a bit more momentum, etc.
As for the alligator walls, it's more than the randomizing effect they
are designed to impart; it seems to me that as soon as they land, with
any amount of substantial vigor or energy, the angles or skew or
whatever will be different, causing randomness.
Sure, once in awhile they might stay on axis, but over and over and
over?
Nope.
roll dem bones
golf...@casino.com
the marketing of the concept, it is unquestionably demonstrated
and quantified."
This is what Mason wrote. He is saying the skill in golf is
demonstrated. I agree. However, the point implied was that in his
diatribes about shooting he comments that there is no evidence
demonstrated.
I used Tiger's shots as an example that even at the highest levels,
golf is a human skill that does not produce the same results over and
over again - which is the point of Mason and others about advantage
rolling. Why is it different for advantage rolling of the dice?
Tiger putted his ball in the water the 1st day.
That is not common for a "pro". Yet he did it.
It don't always go as planned.
However, Mason and others have repeatedly written that all the teachers
should give up their day jobs and make millions in the casino. If a
setter does not have a great day many use it as an example that the
skill doesn't exist. So in their position, Tiger proved he had no
skill when he putted the ball in the water.
Do you see how foolish this is?
When convenient the position changes.
Funny how that happens.
Golf is a human skill. Rolling the dice for some is a human skill.
Mason has shown that he measures one differently than the other.
Golfer
alan
some marginal success with my tosses so that the dice land "flat" or
"even" and NOT on a corner, and when the dice do land flat my results
tend to be meaningful "numbers."
I think that the "true" controllers have more success at getting their
dice to land flat and avoiding hits on corners. It can be done.
I also think that with their "light touch" that when the dice do come
to the wall, the repel action is light so that the dice (when they do
go off axis) go off by one face, avoiding the seven.
As Ive said before I think too much is said about dice controlling
meaning dice must remain on axis 100%. Even Sharpshooter's book shows
charts with what happens when dice can go off axis by one face. It is
the "double face change) which creates the seven for most throwing
sets.
Mason
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> Im not sure if we tried this one before, but: WHY do you believe dice
> control or dice influencing is impossible?
I don't.
acpa
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I was trying to point the questioner to material by someone who thinks he
can control/influence the dice. I don't agree with your attack on my choice
of words, but know that that comes with posting on the NG.
A further question for you however, since you believe influencing the dice
is not impossible, am I jumping to much to read that the same as saying "you
believe influencing the dice is possible?
If the answer is yes, do you think anyone is doing it (influencing the dice
in casinos)?
Hope you reply to these questions!
Noah
acpa
> "acpa" <ac...@eritter.net> wrote
>> It is a physical skill, can you learn to do it?
>
> What absurdity!
> Make a list of all the physical skills that can't be learned.
By me? or by anyone.
By me, would include walking a highwire without a net for instance. Another
for me would be anyskill, if any, that requires 20/20 eyesight if both eyes,
since my one eye corrected is only 20/100.
Noah
>
>>I don't know, I have read books on golf, but I can't play like Tiger.
>
> The analogy is asinine. Skill in golf is not simply alleged in books by
> those who profit from the marketing of the concept, it is unquestionably
> demonstrated and quantified.
I conclude you are implying that dice influencing has not been
unquestionably demonstrated and quantified, am I reading you right?
Mason
>
> "Mason" <mrzer0_...@sbcglocal.net> wrote in message
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>> "alan" <mon...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1113238000.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Im not sure if we tried this one before, but: WHY do you believe dice
>>> control or dice influencing is impossible?
>>
>> I don't.
>>
>>
> Interesting reply, Mason.
>
> I was trying to point the questioner to material by someone who thinks he can
> control/influence the dice. I don't agree with your attack on my choice of
> words, but know that that comes with posting on the NG.
>
> A further question for you however, since you believe influencing the dice is
> not impossible, am I jumping to much to read that the same as saying "you
> believe influencing the dice is possible?
Can you be more sophomoric?
I said I don't "believe it to be impossible".
I have NEVER held dice "whatever" was impossible. No one on this NG can site
any statement of mine where I have characterized dice "whatever" as impossible.
MoneyLA is just trying to put words in my mouth because he has nothing of value
to say.
Of course, dice "whatever" is possible.
(If it were impossible, there would be no suckers for the grifters to fleece and
about which non-critical thinkers like you can fantasize.)
> If the answer is yes, do you think anyone is doing it (influencing the dice in
> casinos)?
I await replicable objective evidence of this phenomenon with an open mind. The
current dice bowlers university hustle has been going on since 2000 or so
beginning with PARR. I am still waiting. Without such replicable evidence, the
instuction in dice "whatever" is just another grift in a long series of grifts
that capitalize on the greed of non-critical thinkers in my opinion.
The only useful response to this opinion is for you to produce some citation of
replicable objective evidence of dice "whatever". Otherwise, drop it and
continue posting asinine analogies of dice "whatever" to quantifiable physical
skills like sports.
>> What absurdity!
>> Make a list of all the physical skills that can't be learned.
>By me? or by anyone.
Are you trying for the sophomoric hall of fame?
Mason
> Mason has shown that he measures one differently than the other.
Into the kill file with golfer711.
He is not worth the effort.
rka...@webtv.net
slide was something almost anyone could master.Operateing 2 sets of dice
out of one hand, In order to put a bogus set of dice into the game was
learned by a few. Takeing the house dice and being able to call the
results by useing Inglish,spin, squat. What ever you want to call it was
learned by few. How ever IT CAN be documented.But these shots are
illegal and easy to spot by the house because the don't roll. They squat
where they land. This works out to big winnings in street and back room
games. If it don't get you killed. The only reason I HAVE A FLICKER Of
hope for DI in a bank or casino craps game is. Can you imagine the first
old boy to take a pair of dice and set down and play with them untill he
could put the inglish on them to make them do what he wanted to do. For
that matter think of the first fellow to master the pool ball, base
ball, Bowling ball.I know all thes are round and lend themselves to
inglish. But 2 die can be make to act with the same results. Just not in
a bank casino rules game. Has somebody sat down and took the time to
figure a new shot? I hope so. Wouldn't really want to hear about it
though, because that would mean his cover was blown.And all that effort
went to waste. Rex
ACDOC
He is not worth the effort"
Mason doesn't like it when you point out how foolish he truly is.
Of course, it also means that he is going to have to "kill file" most
other posters as well.
The only thing I've learned from the likes of Mason is that he doesn't
know Craps. He should stick to cards and stop trolling.
alan
can't hold the dice in your fingers in the proper set and can't throw
the dice with the proper form to obtain control. Therefore, being a
klutz, you say that all the other kids on the block can't throw dice
either.
When you were a kid, as a klutz you couldnt play baseball either, and
so you didnt think anyone else in the neighborhood was a good ball
player.
As a klutz you became critical of all non-klutzes, and you learned how
to insult them.
You are an expert insulter. Good for you.
Mason
> Mason, I think Ive got all the answers I need now
Not all. Ask UNLV.