More crap with a brand name
Paul M. Cook
the traction gear is so soft it's now loose on the shaft and not making
contact with the can lip. Way to go KitchenAid. This has become a real
joke. When I was a kid we had one can opener for what was easily 15 years.
Is there still a can opener made that will last or should I just buy a case
of these?
Paul
Kalmia
> So my less than 1 year old KitchenAid can opener is useless. The metal in
> the traction gear is so soft it's now loose on the shaft and not making
> contact with the can lip. Way to go KitchenAid. This has become a real
> joke. When I was a kid we had one can opener for what was easily 15 years.
>
Made in China, perchance?
I guess KItchenAid is now down there with Cuisinart.
I'll have to be extra nice to my 20 year old Betty Crocker elec.
opener.
Brooklyn1
wrote:
>Buy a Swing-A-Way. Mine is many years old and works fine. -aem
Seconded... been using mine every day for more than forty years, will
easily go another forty. Funny thing I have a second one as a spare
in with my long ago retired camping gear, hardly used... will probably
never need it. I wouldn't consider any can opener other than
Swing-A-Way.
Paul M. Cook
"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
news:r2rc9618mgj0vpkun...@4ax.com...
My now dead opener replaced a swing-a-away. I got more life out of it for
sure but it still died.
Paul
Krypsis
Everyone will buy them because they are so cheap, then the good brands
will go under. All you're left with then is the cheap junk!
I have found that Chinese made steel is of extremely variable quality!
Krypsis
Paul M. Cook
"Krypsis" <kry...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4c967162$0$24370$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Apparently some Swing-A-Way can openers are made in China. Some are still
made here but you have to look for an American flag on the box.
Paul
Brooklyn1
wrote:
>
They're all still made in St. Louis Missouri.
http://www.core77.com/inconspicuous/swingaway.html
The only way I know of that a Swing-A-Way will fail is if put through
the dishwasher and not lubed... a drop of vegetable oil in each
bushing will fix it good as new.
Paul M. Cook
"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese made
openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo. Others were lacking
that logo. They could be knock-offs.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
news:1d9j2q0t...@sqwertz.com...
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:21:29 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese made
>> openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo. Others were
>> lacking
>> that logo. They could be knock-offs.
>
> real one, that you can see and test and return if you don't like it,
> from any grocery or general merchandise store?
I dunno. Why?
Paul
James Silverton
> Is there still a can opener made that will last or should I
> just buy a case of these?
Now that I have learned how to position the thing my OXO side cutter has
worked well for quite a time. See my note of 8/28/10 and the advice
referred to.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
jmcquown
news:1d9j2q0t...@sqwertz.com...
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:21:29 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo. Others were
>> lacking
>> that logo. They could be knock-offs.
>
> real one, that you can see and test and return if you don't like it,
> from any grocery or general merchandise store?
>
>
Excellent question. You can buy them at the grocery store, Target,
Wal*Mart, KMart, any store that sells basic kitchen stuff. I've always used
SwingAWay can openers. Once I even had a very old one that screwed to the
wall and it had a hinge so you could swing it out to open a can, then swing
it back again out of the way. Hence the name :)
And what the heck is a RW&B logo? I just looked at mine and it doesn't have
a "logo" other than to say SwingAway and Made in the USA.
Jill
Paul M. Cook
"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8fngse...@mid.individual.net...
> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> news:1d9j2q0t...@sqwertz.com...
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:21:29 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese made
>>> openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo. Others were
>>> lacking
>>> that logo. They could be knock-offs.
>>
>> Why would you buy a Swingaway can opener on eBay when you can get a
>> real one, that you can see and test and return if you don't like it,
>> from any grocery or general merchandise store?
>>
>> -sw
>
>>
> Excellent question. You can buy them at the grocery store, Target,
> Wal*Mart, KMart, any store that sells basic kitchen stuff. I've always
> used SwingAWay can openers. Once I even had a very old one that screwed
> to the wall and it had a hinge so you could swing it out to open a can,
> then swing it back again out of the way. Hence the name :)
And probably the most exciting thing you ever did, too.
> And what the heck is a RW&B logo? I just looked at mine and it doesn't
> have a "logo" other than to say SwingAway and Made in the USA.
RW&B = Red White and Blue as in American flag as in made in America. And it
is on the *box* as I stated. I'll send you a book, "reading comprehension
for bitter hags."
Paul
Dan Abel
"Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8fngse...@mid.individual.net...
> > "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> > news:1d9j2q0t...@sqwertz.com...
> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:21:29 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >>
> >>> Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese made
> >>> openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo. Others were
> >>> lacking
> >>> that logo. They could be knock-offs.
> >>
> >> Why would you buy a Swingaway can opener on eBay when you can get a
> >> real one, that you can see and test and return if you don't like it,
> >> from any grocery or general merchandise store?
> > Excellent question. You can buy them at the grocery store, Target,
> > Wal*Mart, KMart, any store that sells basic kitchen stuff. I've always
> > used SwingAWay can openers. Once I even had a very old one that screwed
> > to the wall and it had a hinge so you could swing it out to open a can,
> > then swing it back again out of the way. Hence the name :)
>
> And probably the most exciting thing you ever did, too.
>
> > And what the heck is a RW&B logo? I just looked at mine and it doesn't
> > have a "logo" other than to say SwingAway and Made in the USA.
>
> RW&B = Red White and Blue as in American flag as in made in America. And it
> is on the *box* as I stated. I'll send you a book, "reading comprehension
> for bitter hags."
Please send me one also. Thanks.
TFNYBLH
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Steve B
"Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:i75op8$55l$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Swing A Way, or go yard saling. When you find those old ones, watch out.
They are expensive, sometimes costing up to a quarter.
Steve
Julian Vrieslander
"Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> Is there still a can opener made that will last or should I just buy a case
> of these?
We have been using an OXO Good Grips manual can opener for several
years, and it shows no sign of wearing out. The only issue is that the
grippy rubber sleeves will slide off the metal cores in the handles if
you pull on them. But it looks like the latest version of the gizmo has
a changed design for the handles, so maybe they fixed it.
<http://www.oxo.com/p-958-can-opener.aspx>
Of course, REAL MEN use only this:
<http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/08/11/25736-the-best-army-invention-ever/
>
--
Julian Vrieslander
Virginia Tadrzynski
"Julian Vrieslander" <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> wrote in message
news:MY_FIRST_NAME-A57...@news.giganews.com...
Ah, yes, the trusty John Wayne, or church key, whomever you ask. Kids
today wouldn't know how to work one....doesn't come with a charger.
-ginny
Paul M. Cook
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:28:28 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> RW&B = Red White and Blue as in American flag as in made in America. And
>> it
>> is on the *box* as I stated. I'll send you a book, "reading
>> comprehension
>> for bitter hags."
>
> connected RW&B the American flag you mentioned on the box. At least
> not the great majority of us that could possibly warrant and cause
> that kind of retort.
Yeah, really - whoever heard of the "red, white and blue?" But DILLIGAF?
And WWOTS, JWD TFNYBLH mean? TYIA but ADBB.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
"Julian Vrieslander" <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> wrote in message
news:MY_FIRST_NAME-A57...@news.giganews.com...
Is that a left handed P38?
Paul
dsi1
> So my less than 1 year old KitchenAid can opener is useless. The metal in
> the traction gear is so soft it's now loose on the shaft and not making
> contact with the can lip. Way to go KitchenAid. This has become a real
> joke. When I was a kid we had one can opener for what was easily 15 years.
>
> of these?
>
>
>
Whichever brand you buy, get one with the most solid, heaviest gauge,
frame that you can get. The crank should have a smooth, quality feel to
it when turned. Good luck!
dsi1
>
> Of course, REAL MEN use only this:
>
> <http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/08/11/25736-the-best-army-invention-ever/
>>
>
We used to have one of those in our house when I was a kid. I don't
believe that those things won't break even though the one we had never
failed. It's true that they don't rust and it beats the heck out of me
what they're made of. The material is really strong and lightweight.
Maybe they're made of titanium. :-)
isw
Krypsis <kry...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Prolly because it's made from junked American cars...
Isaac
Nancy Young
> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote
>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:21:29 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese
>>>> made openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo.
>>>> Others were lacking
>>>> that logo. They could be knock-offs.
>> And what the heck is a RW&B logo? I just looked at mine and it
>> doesn't have a "logo" other than to say SwingAway and Made in the
>> USA.
>
> RW&B = Red White and Blue as in American flag as in made in America.
> And it is on the *box* as I stated.
Where is this word "box" in your post? I don't see it.
nancy
Paul M. Cook
"Nancy Young" <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:J8Blo.16467$Bg.1...@newsfe22.iad...
"Apparently some Swing-A-Way can openers are made in China. Some are still
made here but you have to look for an American flag on the box.
Paul"
>
> nancy
Nancy Young
That's in the post she replied to?
nancy
Bigbazza
"Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:i75r5i$37u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:51:03 -0700 (PDT), aem <aem_...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sep 19, 12:37 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>>>> So my less than 1 year old KitchenAid can opener is useless. The metal
>>>> in
>>>> the traction gear is so soft it's now loose on the shaft and not making
>>>> contact with the can lip. Way to go KitchenAid. This has become a
>>>> real
>>>> joke. When I was a kid we had one can opener for what was easily 15
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> Is there still a can opener made that will last or should I just buy a
>>>> case
>>>> of these?
>>>>
>>
>> Seconded... been using mine every day for more than forty years, will
>> easily go another forty. Funny thing I have a second one as a spare
>> in with my long ago retired camping gear, hardly used... will probably
>> never need it. I wouldn't consider any can opener other than
>> Swing-A-Way.
>
>
> My now dead opener replaced a swing-a-away. I got more life out of it for
> sure but it still died.
>
> Paul
>
Well I have been using a Swing-a-away opener now for somewhere around 30+
years...As good as the day it was first used....
--
Bigbazza (Barry) Oz
"Happiness is never an accident. It is the prize we get when we choose
wisely from life's great stores"
Bigbazza
I just went out to the kitchen and checked mine...Made in the USA!..... I
must have a look when I am at a retailer next time and see if the one's they
now sell here in Oz are still made in the USA or China!...... It is so hard
to buy so many things these days that are not made in China, Taiwan etc.....
I prefer to buy firstly Australian made or USA, or European
manufacturers..... For electronics, it's Japanese, followed by European
made.
Bigbazza
Well, Paul our Aussie flag is Red, White and Blue as well... :-)
Paul M. Cook
It's in the thread. Like 2 posts earlier. Some people's inability to read,
comprehend and follow a conversation is not my failing.
Paul
sf
So you had already figured out RW&B meant red, white and blue? Good
for you.
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
blake murphy
maybe she didn't read that post in the thread, or - *gasp* - didn't
remember it was you. pretty weak defense for being such a snide son of a
bitch.
blake
blake murphy
no, it's your inability to write without obscure initialisms.
blake
blake murphy
> "Julian Vrieslander" <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Of course, REAL MEN use only this:
>>
>> <http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/08/11/25736-the-best-army-invention-ever/
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Julian Vrieslander
>
> Ah, yes, the trusty John Wayne, or church key, whomever you ask. Kids
> today wouldn't know how to work one....doesn't come with a charger.
> -ginny
nah. *these* are church keys:
<http://www.rustycans.com/Graphics/definitions/churchkeys.jpg>
your pal,
blake
Paul M. Cook
"blake murphy" <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ydv92zrw8m6m$.hdjy7926to8z$.dlg@40tude.net...
I see, so you're cure is what? I should perhaps quote myself with every
single post? Just so the lowest common denominator is taken care of? Well
I have news for you bub, this is a newsgroup. It's not a public grade
school. You either swim with the big fish or you get eaten.
Paul
Brooklyn1
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:40:56 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> "Nancy Young" <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:WdBlo.16468$Bg.1...@newsfe22.iad...
>>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> "Nancy Young" <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:J8Blo.16467$Bg.1...@newsfe22.iad...
>>>>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:21:29 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese
>>>>>>>>>> made openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo.
>>>>>>>>>> Others were lacking
>>>>>>>>>> that logo. They could be knock-offs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And what the heck is a RW&B logo? I just looked at mine and it
>>>>>>>> doesn't have a "logo" other than to say SwingAway and Made in the
>>>>>>>> USA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RW&B = Red White and Blue as in American flag as in made in
>>>>>>> America. And it is on the *box* as I stated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is this word "box" in your post? I don't see it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Apparently some Swing-A-Way can openers are made in China. Some are
>>>>> still made here but you have to look for an American flag on the box.
Every Swing-A-Way I've ever seen was clearly embossed right on the can
opener itself "Made In USA".
Nancy Young
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:10:11 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:21:29 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese
>>>>>> made openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo.
>>>>>> Others were lacking
>>>>>> that logo. They could be knock-offs.
>>
>>>> And what the heck is a RW&B logo? I just looked at mine and it
>>>> doesn't have a "logo" other than to say SwingAway and Made in the
>>>> USA.
>>>
>>> RW&B = Red White and Blue as in American flag as in made in America.
>>> And it is on the *box* as I stated.
>>
>> Where is this word "box" in your post? I don't see it.
> So you had already figured out RW&B meant red, white and blue? Good
> for you.
Huh?
nancy
Paul M. Cook
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> box, which is what you chastised Jill for.
It's a flag, it isn't stamped RW&B, Einstein. Next.
Paul
>
> -sw
jack
>
> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> news:19a9tui5...@sqwertz.com...
>> connected RW&B the American flag you mentioned on the box. At least
>> not the great majority of us that could possibly warrant and cause
>> that kind of retort.
>
>
> Yeah, really - whoever heard of the "red, white and blue?" But DILLIGAF?
I've heard of the red, white and blue. It's the Dutch national flag. But
how that could be connected to an American can-opener is beyond me.
-j
Julie Bove
>
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:40:26 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Krypsis" <kry...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>news:4c967162$0$24370$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>> On 20/09/2010 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> So my less than 1 year old KitchenAid can opener is useless. The
>>>>> metal
>>>>> in
>>>>> the traction gear is so soft it's now loose on the shaft and not
>>>>> making
>>>>> contact with the can lip. Way to go KitchenAid. This has become a
>>>>> real
>>>>> joke. When I was a kid we had one can opener for what was easily 15
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there still a can opener made that will last or should I just buy a
>>>>> case
>>>>> of these?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Made in China no doubt!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone will buy them because they are so cheap, then the good brands
>>>> will go under. All you're left with then is the cheap junk!
>>>>
>>>> I have found that Chinese made steel is of extremely variable quality!
>>>
>>>
>>>still
>>>made here but you have to look for an American flag on the box.
>>>
>>
>> They're all still made in St. Louis Missouri.
>>
>> http://www.core77.com/inconspicuous/swingaway.html
>>
>> The only way I know of that a Swing-A-Way will fail is if put through
>> the dishwasher and not lubed... a drop of vegetable oil in each
>> bushing will fix it good as new.
>
>
> Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese made
> openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo. Others were
> lacking that logo. They could be knock-offs.
Hmmm... I bought a Swing-A-Way from Ace hardware. It was next to
impossible to get it to pierce the top of the can. When it would pierce the
can, I could only get it to open about an inch of the can. I don't recall
where it was made. I bought another one elsewhere. It works fine.
I find I can get maybe 3 or 4 years out of a Swing-A-Way. And then they are
no good any more.
Julie Bove
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:21:29 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Look at the reviews on Amazon. Several people reported Chinese made
>> openers. I just bought one on eBay with the RW&B logo. Others were
>> lacking
>> that logo. They could be knock-offs.
>
> real one, that you can see and test and return if you don't like it,
> from any grocery or general merchandise store?
You can't get them just anywhere here. I had to hunt high and low to find
that brand. I wound up ordering one online after not finding them at about
4 stores that I thought would have them.
Cheryl
> So my less than 1 year old KitchenAid can opener is useless. The metal in
> the traction gear is so soft it's now loose on the shaft and not making
> contact with the can lip. Way to go KitchenAid. This has become a real
> joke. When I was a kid we had one can opener for what was easily 15
> years.
>
> Is there still a can opener made that will last or should I just buy a
> case of these?
I have a manual can opener, an OXO and have had it for years, at least 10.
Cheryl
LOL! another degenerate thread. I still like to laugh though.
Cheryl
>
> We have been using an OXO Good Grips manual can opener for several
> years, and it shows no sign of wearing out. The only issue is that the
> grippy rubber sleeves will slide off the metal cores in the handles if
> you pull on them. But it looks like the latest version of the gizmo has
> a changed design for the handles, so maybe they fixed it.
Never had a problem with the gripper parts but I did just notice a little
bit of rust. Maybe I put it in the dishwasher. Do you think it's ruined
now?
Cheryl
news:DbAlo.7721$m51....@newsfe24.iad...
Ah, you reminded me of my dad. One of the inventors of nickel-titanium
alloy. I'm sad to say he wasn't given credit in this wiki article, but he
worked for the Naval Ordinance Lab (later renamed, then closed) in Silver
Springs at that time, but I guess he was pretty young. He was a physicist.
Funny to later find out they make braces out of this alloy. I didn't find
that out until after he died.
When he retired from the same lab all those years later, they gave him a
plaque that had nitinol on it that spelled out in wire NITINOL and you could
pull it and twist it, push the buttons that sent heat through it and
reformed it back to NITINOL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_titanium
sf
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>I find I can get maybe 3 or 4 years out of a Swing-A-Way. And then they are
>no good any more.
Good heavens, woman! What on earth are you opening with them?
sf
<rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
That should have ended in an exclamation mark. I didn't have a clue
what it meant.
Ranée at Arabian Knits
Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> wrote:
> In article <i75op8$55l$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>
> > Is there still a can opener made that will last or should I just buy a case
> > of these?
>
> We have been using an OXO Good Grips manual can opener for several
> years, and it shows no sign of wearing out. The only issue is that the
> grippy rubber sleeves will slide off the metal cores in the handles if
> you pull on them. But it looks like the latest version of the gizmo has
> a changed design for the handles, so maybe they fixed it.
>
> <http://www.oxo.com/p-958-can-opener.aspx>
>
> Of course, REAL MEN use only this:
>
> <http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/08/11/25736-the-best-army-invention-ever/
We have both of those, plus one of those unseal the lid types. They
all work fine. We don't own any electric can openers, though.
Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits
"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
dsi1
> "dsi1" <ds...@spamnet.com> wrote in message
> news:DbAlo.7721$m51....@newsfe24.iad...
>> On 9/19/2010 1:54 PM, Julian Vrieslander wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course, REAL MEN use only this:
>>>
>>> <http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/08/11/25736-the-best-army-invention-ever/
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> We used to have one of those in our house when I was a kid. I don't
>> believe that those things won't break even though the one we had never
>> failed. It's true that they don't rust and it beats the heck out of me
>> what they're made of. The material is really strong and lightweight.
>> Maybe they're made of titanium. :-)
>
> Ah, you reminded me of my dad. One of the inventors of nickel-titanium
> alloy. I'm sad to say he wasn't given credit in this wiki article, but
> he worked for the Naval Ordinance Lab (later renamed, then closed) in
> Silver Springs at that time, but I guess he was pretty young. He was a
> physicist. Funny to later find out they make braces out of this alloy. I
> didn't find that out until after he died.
I guess we find out a lot of things about our parents when they die and
we're left to help close out their affairs and effects. I had no idea
that my mom was so well organized and that she notated where all the
family monies were allocated until I saw the little book with all the
entries. That was a surprise. I also learned that she was better
educated than her siblings because she had the smarts to pass the tests
to get into a school with tough entry requirements. I always knew her as
a quiet, soft-spoken, idealistic mom that fiercely protected and stood
up for us kids. We were lucky kids.
>
> When he retired from the same lab all those years later, they gave him a
> plaque that had nitinol on it that spelled out in wire NITINOL and you
> could pull it and twist it, push the buttons that sent heat through it
> and reformed it back to NITINOL.
I heard about Nitinol back in the 60's and 70's from Popular Science
magazine. It's an alloy with some remarkable and useful properties that
has saved lives. Congrats to your dad.
Giusi
"Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> ha scritto nel messaggio>
> I have news for you bub, this is a newsgroup. >It's not a public grade >
> school. You either >swim with the big fish or you get eaten.
I have news for you, Paul. If you don't return to your previous generally
polite manners, you can go unread forever. News groups does not mean "let's
all pretend we were reared by wolves."
Rudeness is much more public grade school than grown up communication.
dsi1
> On 20/09/2010 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> the traction gear is so soft it's now loose on the shaft and not making
>> contact with the can lip. Way to go KitchenAid. This has become a real
>> joke. When I was a kid we had one can opener for what was easily 15
>> years.
>>
>> case
>> of these?
>>
>>
>>
> Made in China no doubt!
>
> Everyone will buy them because they are so cheap, then the good brands
> will go under. All you're left with then is the cheap junk!
>
> I have found that Chinese made steel is of extremely variable quality!
>
>
>
I saw a Swingaway wall-mount unit at the store today. It was a nice
quality piece that was selling for $11.99. It's a old-fashioned design
that has some real practical value that appeals to me. I'll probably
pick one up and install one of those sooner or later. The kids will
probably think it quite funky and look at it with wonder. I do have some
reservation about the 4 short mounting screws that came in the box -
that seems to be a weak point in the whole product.
The can opener was made in China, but I think that your view of their
manufacturing abilities is out-dated. China is a magical place where you
can order whatever you want and they'll make it for you. That's
remarkable. All you got to do is send them the specifications and some
money and you get back product. The reality is that you specify the
quality of the finished piece - the Chinese do not.
The Chinese are capable of supplying manufactured goods at whatever
quality level you want. My iPad is a very nice high-quality piece of
cutting edge technology housed in a body machined from a solid block of
aluminum that arrived at my office on the day of it's release directly
from somewhere in China - a most remarkable logistical feat. If you want
to consider them the enemy, that's fine but it's always unwise to
underestimate the enemy.
Nancy Young
>>> So you had already figured out RW&B meant red, white and blue? Good
>>> for you.
>>
>> Huh?
>>
> That should have ended in an exclamation mark. I didn't have a clue
> what it meant.
Heh ... I wouldn't even have noticed the RW&B thing if it wasn't for
the completely unprovoked and wrong attack. I wasn't really
paying attention to the thread.
nancy
J. Clarke
>
> "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:i75r5i$37u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:51:03 -0700 (PDT), aem <aem_...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 12:37 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>>>>> So my less than 1 year old KitchenAid can opener is useless. The
>>>>> metal in
>>>>> the traction gear is so soft it's now loose on the shaft and not
>>>>> making
>>>>> contact with the can lip. Way to go KitchenAid. This has become a real
>>>>> joke. When I was a kid we had one can opener for what was easily 15
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there still a can opener made that will last or should I just
>>>>> buy a case
>>>>> of these?
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Seconded... been using mine every day for more than forty years, will
>>> easily go another forty. Funny thing I have a second one as a spare
>>> in with my long ago retired camping gear, hardly used... will probably
>>> never need it. I wouldn't consider any can opener other than
>>> Swing-A-Way.
>>
>>
>> My now dead opener replaced a swing-a-away. I got more life out of it
>> for sure but it still died.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> Well I have been using a Swing-a-away opener now for somewhere around
> 30+ years...As good as the day it was first used....
I've got two. One is an under counter electric from a company long
since out of business that has been working fine for going on 30 years
now. The other, which I seldom use but which is handy when I need it,
is on my 40 year old Swiss Army Knife.
sf
Understood. I lost interest after the first couple of replies too. I
picked your reply to resample the thread - and that's how I landed in
the middle of it.
sf
>The can opener was made in China, but I think that your view of their
>manufacturing abilities is out-dated. China is a magical place where you
>can order whatever you want and they'll make it for you. That's
>remarkable. All you got to do is send them the specifications and some
>money and you get back product. The reality is that you specify the
>quality of the finished piece - the Chinese do not.
>
>The Chinese are capable of supplying manufactured goods at whatever
>quality level you want. My iPad is a very nice high-quality piece of
>cutting edge technology housed in a body machined from a solid block of
>aluminum that arrived at my office on the day of it's release directly
>from somewhere in China - a most remarkable logistical feat. If you want
>to consider them the enemy, that's fine but it's always unwise to
>underestimate the enemy.
The truth about manufacturing in modern day China is a bit more
complicated than that. You send the money and specifications AND
unannounced quality control inspectors to assure they are doing what
you're paying them to do. Your Ipad is good because Apple is better
at quality control than they are at cheating Apple. Sure China has
the death penalty over there for people who cheat and commit fraud,
but it doesn't seem to stop them.
Gorio
'sf[_19_ Wrote:
> ;1530727']On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:13:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> juli...@frontier.com wrote:
> -
> I find I can get maybe 3 or 4 years out of a Swing-A-Way. And then they
> are
>
> Good heavens, woman! What on earth are you opening with them?
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.
I've had two American made ones for 10m plus eyars and they still open a
like day one. Course I don't eat much canned stuff; especially not
beans. ;)
--
Gorio
blake murphy
no, sorry. not committing to memory every one of your posts in a thread
doesn't count as a defect. what's more i wouldn't say RW&B is a common
representation of red, white and blue, and it's only an indirect reference
to the flag.
and, by the way, it's 'your,' not 'you're.'
blake
blake murphy
keep digging, paul. bravo!
blake
dsi1
What you say is true. My point was that if the product is crap it's
because the people ordering the stuff - for whatever reason - allowed it
to be crap.
As far as human right abuses and working conditions goes, that's another
big ball of wax. I think that will change over time and will be driven
by the workers themselves, not outside forces, at least that's the way
it happened to our workforce in this country's history. To be frank,
most people don't care about the Chinese people. All we care about is
getting product made cheaply that can be sold for tidy profit and being
able to buy things at low, low, prices.
Paul M. Cook
Your empathy is revealing.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
"Giusi" <deco...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8frbm6...@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> ha scritto nel messaggio>
>
>> I have news for you bub, this is a newsgroup. >It's not a public grade >
>> school. You either >swim with the big fish or you get eaten.
>
> I have news for you, Paul. If you don't return to your previous generally
> polite manners, you can go unread forever. News groups does not mean
> "let's all pretend we were reared by wolves."
Doesn't mean it doesn't.
> Rudeness is much more public grade school than grown up communication.
Some of were raised by wolves.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
This from the guy who eschews capital letters, punctuation and other
generally accepted grammar rules? It's I not i.
Paul
sf
>What you say is true. My point was that if the product is crap it's
>because the people ordering the stuff - for whatever reason - allowed it
>to be crap.
Oh, ok... I missed that point.
>
>As far as human right abuses and working conditions goes, that's another
>big ball of wax. I think that will change over time and will be driven
>by the workers themselves, not outside forces, at least that's the way
>it happened to our workforce in this country's history.
Yes, change comes from within. The Chinese workforce is not self
confident enough yet to question authority, but you're right... the
time is coming.
>To be frank,
>most people don't care about the Chinese people. All we care about is
>getting product made cheaply that can be sold for tidy profit and being
>able to buy things at low, low, prices.
We do love a bargain.
Paul M. Cook
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:33:18 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> It's a flag, it isn't stamped RW&B, Einstein. Next.
>
> eBay with the RW&B logo."
>
> RW&B logo?
The subject of the *post* was the logo "on the box" as stated in the earlier
post which you replied to and presumably remembered. But there I go
assuming again. These are called "conversational threads" for a reason.
You have to "read" them AND commit it to a memory span at least equivalent
to that of a goldfish. I am sorry you can't follow a thread. Perhaps it's
ADHD? Ever thought of going on Ritalin?
> No box was every mentioned in that post, so following all rules of
> logic and grammar, the opener itself has a literal "RW&B" logo. I've
> never even seen a can opener sold in a box. Anybody else?
I just bought one that comes in a box. Ergo they come in boxes and your
personal experience is irrelevant. Next!
Paul
Paul M. Cook
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
Did I mention no sales tax and free shipping? Whoo hoo!
> "You mean that funny little man with the beady eyes?"
>
I am 6 foot 1 inch and have dreamy green, bead free eyes. My salt and
pepper hair goes great with green.
Paul
blake murphy
> "blake murphy" <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:1vdhgrck598u$.kxhrlocjw75$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:33:18 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
>>> news:afktt758i76u$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> It's in the thread. Like 2 posts earlier. Some people's inability to
>>>>> read,
>>>>> comprehend and follow a conversation is not my failing.
>>>>
>>>> But RW&B stamped on the opener is not exactly an American Flag on the
>>>> box, which is what you chastised Jill for.
>>>
>>> It's a flag, it isn't stamped RW&B, Einstein. Next.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> keep digging, paul. bravo!
>
> Your empathy is revealing.
>
> Paul
as is your pomposity.
blake
jmcquown
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:33:18 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> It's a flag, it isn't stamped RW&B, Einstein. Next.
>
> eBay with the RW&B logo."
>
> What is the first noun in that sentence? What is the object with the
> RW&B logo?
>
> logic and grammar, the opener itself has a literal "RW&B" logo. I've
> never even seen a can opener sold in a box. Anybody else?
>
Nope, I never saw a can opener sold in a box. Except maybe one made in
China and sold to a fool.
Jill
blake murphy
you're right, no caps. very observant of you. but what are my punctuation
and grammatical errors?
blake
blake murphy
dear god.
blake
jmcquown
news:i76gjc$7l2$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> On 19-Sep-2010, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Once I even had a very old one that screwed to the
>> wall and it had a hinge so you could swing it out to open a can, then
>> swing
>> it back again out of the way. Hence the name :)
>
> If anyone prefers the wall-mount, they are still available - the model
> 609W.
> Ace hardware carries them, if not in the store, then on web with free
> delivery to local store or shipped by mail for a few $$. Ace also carries
> three handheld models of Swing-A-Way - the 407 is what most people think
> of
> and it is made here in STL.
> --
> Change Cujo to Juno in email address.
I might just like one of those wall mounted Swing-A-Way can openers next to
the stove-top where I most frequently open cans. Thanks for the info!
Jill
Paul M. Cook
Sorry Blake, you're not my type.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
Not pompous. I just could not care less what some newsgroup spook thinks
about me. You however seem very concerned about your ectoplasmic visage.
Now that's pompous.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:52:03 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
>> news:5eawbpw7t8qu$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
>>
>>> logic and grammar, the opener itself has a literal "RW&B" logo. I've
>>> never even seen a can opener sold in a box. Anybody else?
>>
>> China and sold to a fool.
>
> a box. Not even Swing Away themselves sell a can opener in a box
> (unless you buy a case of them, then you get 24 of them in a box).
>
> Yeah, he got taken. But hey - he didn't have to pay sales tax!
Or shipping! 6 bucks total. And made in the USA!! Sure, I guess I could
have used your method and burned up a gallon of gas to buy a can opener on
the other end of town but my method is not only economically prudent it is
environmentall sound.
Paul
Dan Abel
blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> no, it's your inability to write without obscure initialisms.
> >
> > I see, so you're cure is what? I should perhaps quote myself with every
> > single post? Just so the lowest common denominator is taken care of? Well
> > I have news for you bub, this is a newsgroup. It's not a public grade
> > school. You either swim with the big fish or you get eaten.
> no, sorry. not committing to memory every one of your posts in a thread
> doesn't count as a defect. what's more i wouldn't say RW&B is a common
> representation of red, white and blue, and it's only an indirect reference
> to the flag.
Aren't you guys being kind of dense here? Maybe the *box* is "Made in
the U.S.A."? That doesn't mean the contents were. And maybe slapping a
picture of some flag on the box doesn't mean that anything about country
of origin. If I make a box, and slap a picture of an Italian flag on
it, does that mean it was made in Italy? I've never been to Italy,
maybe I just like how their flag looks?
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
jmcquown
news:51ag96h63okt25432...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:13:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>>I find I can get maybe 3 or 4 years out of a Swing-A-Way. And then they
>>are
>>no good any more.
>
>
Hear hear! I've got one that is 10 years old and one that is 20 years old.
Never had a bit of trouble with them. You do have to keep the gears clean
(not to infer the OP isn't) but 3-4 years is pretty much a pitiful track
record for a Swing-A-Way. And to only open the can 1/4"? How does she open
the rest of the can? With a church-key?
Jill
dsi1
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:52:03 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> news:5eawbpw7t8qu$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
>>
>>> logic and grammar, the opener itself has a literal "RW&B" logo. I've
>>> never even seen a can opener sold in a box. Anybody else?
>>
>> China and sold to a fool.
>
> a box. Not even Swing Away themselves sell a can opener in a box
> (unless you buy a case of them, then you get 24 of them in a box).
>
> Yeah, he got taken. But hey - he didn't have to pay sales tax!
>
I've never seen a can opener in a box either. However, the $11.99 made
in China wall mount Swing-A-Way I saw at Long's Drug Store was in a box.
A most unusual box too. It had a long slot cut into it that allowed the
handle to sit outside the box. Why put a can opener in a box? Because
there's two loose parts that come with that particular model. One bag of
4 screws and one magnetic can lid keeper that is removable for easy
cleaning.
I discovered that I had the bag of screws with me at the check-out and
after paying, had to go back to put it back in the box. If you ever buy
one of these can openers, you'd be smart to open the box and make sure
you have the 4 screws and lid keeper.
Paul M. Cook
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:35:17 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Or shipping! 6 bucks total. And made in the USA!! Sure, I guess I
>> could
>> have used your method and burned up a gallon of gas to buy a can opener
>> on
>> the other end of town but my method is not only economically prudent it
>> is
>> environmentall sound.
>
> other shopping. Or do you buy your bread on eBay as well?
I can buy a piece of crap can opener where I go shopping, moron. Which is
what I had which is why it was being replaced by something BETTER. Get on
the Ritalin, boy.
> No box
> No American flag (that is not an American flag)
> No RW&B logo on the opener
Well I got me all three. Whoo Hoo!
> You need to do a lot more practicing if you want to be a successful
> narcissist.
Ritalin may help with the bed wetting, too.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
"Dan Abel" <da...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dabel-3364A8....@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
The logo in question is the "Made in America" logo. I'll have the can
opener submitted for forensic analysis when it arrives. That would be today
in fact. We'll see if a metallurgist can isolate the source of the steel
components. I'll have them prepare a detailed analysis of their findings
and post it on the Internet.
Looks like I need yet another can opener.
Paul
Brooklyn1
wrote:
Looks like you need a screwdriver... yours are loose. LOL
Paul M. Cook
"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
news:32nk96t2r5sh89cor...@4ax.com...
<blake>that's your's not yours</blake>
OK, the CO just arrived. I am excited. What we have here is Made in the
USA stamped on the CO itself just under the Swing-A-Way logo. The package
has the RW&B logo on it and the Good Housekeeping seal of approval - a nice
addition. On the back the spec list is in three languages: English, French
and Spanish but not Chinese. The paper appears to be of Canadian origin, to
be specific the Canadian North Eastern deciduous forests north of Montreal.
I am thinking virgin card stock here, no sign of recycled paper fibers.
The chromium plating on the CO itself is rather thick - a sign of quality
one would not associate with Chinese made components. A Rockwell hardness
analysis should give a pretty good idea as to the country of origin. China
tends to use softer steal with a high carbon and low manganese content.
This seems to be a harder steel, I am placing it at a 57 on the Rockwell
scale pending further analysis. The inks used on the package are clearly of
Chinese origin possessing a refractory index common to inks used in the
Asian countries. Laser analysis should yield a rather low refractory index
I am predicting. The vinyl handles are typical hot dip but what is
interesting is the vinyl handle covers show signs of stringing which would
indicate a too cold dip temperature. I've seen this on many Chinese made
equipment including scissors and pet flea combs especially.
That's all I can tell without proper test equipment. We'll know more when
the samples come back from electron microscope analysis. Perhaps a gas
chromatograph will yield some interesting results so we'll schedule a test
for that as well.
For now it's looking like an American made product with Chinese, or perhaps
Vietnamese made packaging.
Paul
Ranée at Arabian Knits
"Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> Or shipping! 6 bucks total. And made in the USA!! Sure, I guess I could
> have used your method and burned up a gallon of gas to buy a can opener on
> the other end of town but my method is not only economically prudent it is
> environmentall sound.
How many gallons of avgas or diesel were used to deliver it to you?
Or did they use pony express?
Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits
"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
Paul M. Cook
"Ranée at Arabian Knits" <arabia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:arabianknits-FDEA...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
> In article <i7deon$jb1$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>> Or shipping! 6 bucks total. And made in the USA!! Sure, I guess I
>> could
>> have used your method and burned up a gallon of gas to buy a can opener
>> on
>> the other end of town but my method is not only economically prudent it
>> is
>> environmentall sound.
>
> How many gallons of avgas or diesel were used to deliver it to you?
> Or did they use pony express?
Economy of scale. They were delivering lots of other packages along with
mine.
Paul
Brooklyn1
wrote:
>
>"Ranée at Arabian Knits" <arabia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:arabianknits-FDEA...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
>> In article <i7deon$jb1$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Or shipping! 6 bucks total. And made in the USA!! Sure, I guess I
>>> could
>>> have used your method and burned up a gallon of gas to buy a can opener
>>> on
>>> the other end of town but my method is not only economically prudent it
>>> is
>>> environmentall sound.
>>
>> How many gallons of avgas or diesel were used to deliver it to you?
>> Or did they use pony express?
>
>Economy of scale. They were delivering lots of other packages along with
>mine.
>
>Paul
Yup, and the carrier also makes several bulk pickups along the route.
Shipping costs from buying mail order is far less costly (and risk
laden) then driving ones own vehicle, and certainly much more costly
driving from store to store shopping then navigating via mouse.
blake murphy
that 'dear god' was revulsion, not a prayer.
blake
blake murphy
i'm sure that 'ectoplasmic visage' means something in your native tongue.
blake
blake murphy
twerp, the 'made in america' logo does not equal 'the RW&B logo' in anyone
else's mind but your own. that's where the discussion started, but you
can't stop huffing and puffing about it, can you?
blake