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raykeller
Sep 5, 2017, 2:30:21 PM9/5/17
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http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
14 Things the MSM Won't Tell You About DACA
"Attorney General Jeff Sessions briefed reporters on Tuesday about the
administration's decision to end the quasi-amnesty for young illegals
imposed by former President Barack Obama in 2012.
"Sessions announced the decision instead of President Donald Trump, the
administration is portraying the decision as a legal matter, not a political
issue. The so-called "DACA" amnesty is being closed down because it is
legally indefensible, and the federal government is being sued by 12 states
to do so."
Whenever a Republican wants to move forward - you know, pass some
legislation or even enforce the law as already written, they always, always,
ALWAYS have to run through a mainstream media propaganda gauntlet dedicated
to the status quo, loyal only to the Democrat cause and by extension opposed
to anything resembling progress.
Obamacare is an objective disaster; nonetheless, the media fights tooth and
nail to save it.
Our tax code is a backwards, prosperity-stifling haven for corporatist
special interests; nonetheless, the media will do everything in its power to
ensure not a single word is altered.
Then there is illegal immigration, which, like abortion, the MSM treats as
its own personal sacrament. Flooding America, primarily Red States, with
illegal Democrats who also serve the interests of a Big Business Complex
desperate to keep wages low and unions non-existent, there is nothing our
corrupt media will not do to keep that illegal flood flooding.
And so, as President Trump prepares to keep one of his biggest promises and
end President Barry's un-constitutional Deferred Action for Childhood
Arrivals (DACA) amnesty program, all we are seeing from our establishment
media is the usual propaganda: flat-out lies, half truths, the ignoring of
vital pieces of information and points of view, and most of all, emotional
blackmail.
Hopefully the list below will offer some clarity and context. The first
point, I think, is the most important.
1.. This Is Only the Fault of the Parents
My wife was born in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, and came to America as a small
child. But she was brought here by her parents legally and remained here
legally until she obtained her citizenship, something she prizes above most
everything else. This is how immigration is supposed to work. If you ask my
wife about DACA, she blames the parents of these children who, unlike her
own parents, broke the law and put their children in this situation.
If your parents don't pay the rent, is it the landlord's fault when you are
evicted, or is it the fault of your parents?
If your parents sneak you into Disneyland without paying, is it Disney's
fault when you are booted out, or is it the fault of your parents?
If your parents sneak you into a country illegally, is it the country's
fault when you get deported, or is it the fault of your parents?
Blaming America or Trump or anyone other than the parents for any of this,
is a ruse, a con, a rhetorical trick.
2.. DACA Recipients Are Illegal Aliens
This simple fact has been so downplayed and memory-holed, it just needed to
be spoken out loud.
3.. DACA Is a Massive Amnesty Program
Although the DREAMers are in the country illegally, DACA allows some 800,000
to stay in the country legally without any kind of penalty. Qualified
DREAMers are not only given a two-year deferment from deportation, they are
eligible for a work permit, which means they can legally take a job in
America.
4.. DACA Recipients Are Not the Children
DACA is eligible only to those aged 15-32. A very large percentage of DACA
recipients are adults, not children or even minors.
5.. DACA Recipients Take Jobs Americans WILL Do
The idea that illegal aliens take jobs Americans won't do is, of course, a
lie. Plenty of Americans, most especially young Americans, would love the
opportunity to work on a construction site or some other manual labor job.
Moreover, if the wages were better, plenty of American would be willing to
work in the fields. An untold number of young Americans who live in farm
communities already do. But when you flood the country with illegal and/or
foreign workers this - by design - suppresses wages to a point where only
those willing to be exploited are willing to do this work for almost no
money.
Nevertheless, even this lie does not apply to DREAMers, many of whom have a
high school diploma or a GED, and a work permit. These are not field
workers, these are hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens competing for the
same jobs against the 4 million young Americans who enter the workforce
every year.
6.. Some DACA Recipients are Criminals
Over 5 years, between 2013 and 2017, a total of 2,139 DACA recipients lost
their amnesty benefits "due to criminality or gang affiliated concerns."
The DACA screening process is in reality a joke, a rubber stamp.
7.. DACA Is Not a Law, It Is the Violation of Law
President Obama's DACA program is not a law or even a policy. Rather, it is
a brazen violation of the immigration law as written and passed by the
American people's representatives in congress.
People in the country illegally are supposed to be deported and repatriated
into their own country. That is the law here in America. That is the law in
every country in the world, including Mexico.
8.. Most DACA Recipients are Not Overachievers
It seems as though every time we see a DACA recipient in the media, he or
she is the next Albert Einstein, someone on the verge of curing cancer and
poverty.
The reality is actually quite different:
"The [DACA] eligibility bar was set very low, explicitly allowing people
with multiple misdemeanor and certain felony convictions to be approved.
Only a handful of the applicants were ever interviewed, and only rarely was
the information on the application ever verified," said Jessica M. Vaughan,
director of policy studies at the Washington-based Center for Immigration
Studies..
"[T]his statistic undercuts the image of DACA that has been spread by the
pro-illegal alien groups and the news media, that the DACA recipients are
mostly college kids. This is not true. We don't know much about the
population, but one of the few credible studies that has been done, by a
scholar at Harvard University, found that at most are more than 22 years
old, and only about 20 percent graduated from or attended a four-year
college. A significant share never went beyond high school. This is not
really all that surprising, since over 72 percent come from a family at or
below poverty level and accessing some public assistance."
While there are some true-life scholars in the DACA program, these are not a
representative sample:
For example, one-third of the people in the study sample who are older
than age 25 hold four-year college bachelors' degrees or better. In
contrast, an August 2013 report by the pro-amnesty Migration Policy
Institute showed that only 7.5 percent of the 800,000 DACA-qualified
illegals who were 18 or older had four-year college degrees or better. An
August 2017 study by the MPI showed only 5 percent of 832,000 DACA illegals
who were older than 18 had four-year college qualifications.
Also, the 7.5 percent graduation rate reported by the new study is roughly
one-quarter the 33 percent of native-born Americans with four-year degrees.
9.. DACA Is Wildly Unfair to Americans, Most Especially Young Americans
Just Starting Out
You followed the rules. Your parents obeyed the law. You are one of the 4
million Americans ready to enter the workforce every year, eager to begin
your own life, to pursue the American dream, but you have to compete against
hundreds of thousands of line-jumpers for the same entry-level job.
Moreover, this flood of labor depresses your wages.
10.. DACA Was Already Litigated and Debated in 2016
The American people have already had the DACA debate. Hillary Clinton
promised to expand DACA. Trump promised to end DACA.
Trump won.
11.. DACA Encourages More Illegal Immigrants
Although DACA does not officially grant amnesty to the children of illegal
immigrants who have arrived after 2007, the message is still clear: America
does not have the will to enforce its own immigration laws. Of course that
message works as a magnet for illegals. If you recall.
Obama declared his DACA amnesty in 2012. Central Americans saw the
announcement, read the details - and roughly 400,000 people headed north
during the next four years.
Moreover, making that trek is dangerous, especially from South America.
People die of exposure and are exploited, sometimes sexually, by the Coyotes
they hire to lead them here.
Illegal immigration is a lose-lose for everyone but Democrats who desire the
votes and business owners who do not want to pay a legal resident a fair
market wage.
12.. In Most States, DACA Recipients are Eligible for Welfare Benefits
AZCentral:
Once DACA applicants are approved and receive a temporary employment
authorization card, they can apply for a Social Security Number. Under this
number, they can report wages and pay taxes.
DACA beneficiaries cannot receive federal benefits such as welfare and
food stamps. Some states allow for state-funded benefits, but Arizona
specifically prohibits it.
13.. Unless It Is Stopped, DACA Will Never Stop Growing
Every year, more and more illegal aliens become eligible for DACA's illegal
and unconstitutional amnesty program.
Obama's deputies low-balled his election-campaign giveaway by initially
predicting it would only reach about 560,000 younger illegals who were
supposedly brought into the United States by their parents before they
turned 16.
But the amnesty has already provided almost 900,000 work-permits and
Social Security cards to illegals who say they are aged 36 or less. More
than 92 percent of the applicants got their DACA approvals, with a rejection
rate of only 7 percent. The amnesty is expected to rise above 1.9 million
people as additional younger illegals become adults and try to enroll in
Obama's giveaway.
14.. DACA Ignores Some Criminal Behavior
Center for Immigration Studies:
DACA applies to individuals up to age 31 (as of June 2012, so 35 now) -
hardly children; consequently, many Dreamers have long-since terminated
their studies and most have committed multiple felonies in order to get
jobs - Social Security fraud, forgery, perjury on I-9 forms, falsification
of green cards and drivers' licenses, identity theft, etc. Dreamers continue
to commit these job-related crimes right up to the day their DACA status is
approved and they obtain work permits and their own genuine Social Security
numbers.
In addition, many illegal aliens qualifying for DACA status have
previously been arrested and convicted of multiple misdemeanors and some
have previously been or continue to be associated with violent gangs, as
evidenced by a report in the Seattle Times that states that over 1,500
Dreamers have had their DACA status revoked since 2012 due to their
involvement with criminal gangs.
-
On the true merits, the DACA debate is a loser for the Left and their media
cohorts - which is why the 14 facts above must remain largely unspoken.
14 Things the MSM Won't Tell You About DACA
"Attorney General Jeff Sessions briefed reporters on Tuesday about the
administration's decision to end the quasi-amnesty for young illegals
imposed by former President Barack Obama in 2012.
"Sessions announced the decision instead of President Donald Trump, the
administration is portraying the decision as a legal matter, not a political
issue. The so-called "DACA" amnesty is being closed down because it is
legally indefensible, and the federal government is being sued by 12 states
to do so."
Whenever a Republican wants to move forward - you know, pass some
legislation or even enforce the law as already written, they always, always,
ALWAYS have to run through a mainstream media propaganda gauntlet dedicated
to the status quo, loyal only to the Democrat cause and by extension opposed
to anything resembling progress.
Obamacare is an objective disaster; nonetheless, the media fights tooth and
nail to save it.
Our tax code is a backwards, prosperity-stifling haven for corporatist
special interests; nonetheless, the media will do everything in its power to
ensure not a single word is altered.
Then there is illegal immigration, which, like abortion, the MSM treats as
its own personal sacrament. Flooding America, primarily Red States, with
illegal Democrats who also serve the interests of a Big Business Complex
desperate to keep wages low and unions non-existent, there is nothing our
corrupt media will not do to keep that illegal flood flooding.
And so, as President Trump prepares to keep one of his biggest promises and
end President Barry's un-constitutional Deferred Action for Childhood
Arrivals (DACA) amnesty program, all we are seeing from our establishment
media is the usual propaganda: flat-out lies, half truths, the ignoring of
vital pieces of information and points of view, and most of all, emotional
blackmail.
Hopefully the list below will offer some clarity and context. The first
point, I think, is the most important.
1.. This Is Only the Fault of the Parents
My wife was born in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, and came to America as a small
child. But she was brought here by her parents legally and remained here
legally until she obtained her citizenship, something she prizes above most
everything else. This is how immigration is supposed to work. If you ask my
wife about DACA, she blames the parents of these children who, unlike her
own parents, broke the law and put their children in this situation.
If your parents don't pay the rent, is it the landlord's fault when you are
evicted, or is it the fault of your parents?
If your parents sneak you into Disneyland without paying, is it Disney's
fault when you are booted out, or is it the fault of your parents?
If your parents sneak you into a country illegally, is it the country's
fault when you get deported, or is it the fault of your parents?
Blaming America or Trump or anyone other than the parents for any of this,
is a ruse, a con, a rhetorical trick.
2.. DACA Recipients Are Illegal Aliens
This simple fact has been so downplayed and memory-holed, it just needed to
be spoken out loud.
3.. DACA Is a Massive Amnesty Program
Although the DREAMers are in the country illegally, DACA allows some 800,000
to stay in the country legally without any kind of penalty. Qualified
DREAMers are not only given a two-year deferment from deportation, they are
eligible for a work permit, which means they can legally take a job in
America.
4.. DACA Recipients Are Not the Children
DACA is eligible only to those aged 15-32. A very large percentage of DACA
recipients are adults, not children or even minors.
5.. DACA Recipients Take Jobs Americans WILL Do
The idea that illegal aliens take jobs Americans won't do is, of course, a
lie. Plenty of Americans, most especially young Americans, would love the
opportunity to work on a construction site or some other manual labor job.
Moreover, if the wages were better, plenty of American would be willing to
work in the fields. An untold number of young Americans who live in farm
communities already do. But when you flood the country with illegal and/or
foreign workers this - by design - suppresses wages to a point where only
those willing to be exploited are willing to do this work for almost no
money.
Nevertheless, even this lie does not apply to DREAMers, many of whom have a
high school diploma or a GED, and a work permit. These are not field
workers, these are hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens competing for the
same jobs against the 4 million young Americans who enter the workforce
every year.
6.. Some DACA Recipients are Criminals
Over 5 years, between 2013 and 2017, a total of 2,139 DACA recipients lost
their amnesty benefits "due to criminality or gang affiliated concerns."
The DACA screening process is in reality a joke, a rubber stamp.
7.. DACA Is Not a Law, It Is the Violation of Law
President Obama's DACA program is not a law or even a policy. Rather, it is
a brazen violation of the immigration law as written and passed by the
American people's representatives in congress.
People in the country illegally are supposed to be deported and repatriated
into their own country. That is the law here in America. That is the law in
every country in the world, including Mexico.
8.. Most DACA Recipients are Not Overachievers
It seems as though every time we see a DACA recipient in the media, he or
she is the next Albert Einstein, someone on the verge of curing cancer and
poverty.
The reality is actually quite different:
"The [DACA] eligibility bar was set very low, explicitly allowing people
with multiple misdemeanor and certain felony convictions to be approved.
Only a handful of the applicants were ever interviewed, and only rarely was
the information on the application ever verified," said Jessica M. Vaughan,
director of policy studies at the Washington-based Center for Immigration
Studies..
"[T]his statistic undercuts the image of DACA that has been spread by the
pro-illegal alien groups and the news media, that the DACA recipients are
mostly college kids. This is not true. We don't know much about the
population, but one of the few credible studies that has been done, by a
scholar at Harvard University, found that at most are more than 22 years
old, and only about 20 percent graduated from or attended a four-year
college. A significant share never went beyond high school. This is not
really all that surprising, since over 72 percent come from a family at or
below poverty level and accessing some public assistance."
While there are some true-life scholars in the DACA program, these are not a
representative sample:
For example, one-third of the people in the study sample who are older
than age 25 hold four-year college bachelors' degrees or better. In
contrast, an August 2013 report by the pro-amnesty Migration Policy
Institute showed that only 7.5 percent of the 800,000 DACA-qualified
illegals who were 18 or older had four-year college degrees or better. An
August 2017 study by the MPI showed only 5 percent of 832,000 DACA illegals
who were older than 18 had four-year college qualifications.
Also, the 7.5 percent graduation rate reported by the new study is roughly
one-quarter the 33 percent of native-born Americans with four-year degrees.
9.. DACA Is Wildly Unfair to Americans, Most Especially Young Americans
Just Starting Out
You followed the rules. Your parents obeyed the law. You are one of the 4
million Americans ready to enter the workforce every year, eager to begin
your own life, to pursue the American dream, but you have to compete against
hundreds of thousands of line-jumpers for the same entry-level job.
Moreover, this flood of labor depresses your wages.
10.. DACA Was Already Litigated and Debated in 2016
The American people have already had the DACA debate. Hillary Clinton
promised to expand DACA. Trump promised to end DACA.
Trump won.
11.. DACA Encourages More Illegal Immigrants
Although DACA does not officially grant amnesty to the children of illegal
immigrants who have arrived after 2007, the message is still clear: America
does not have the will to enforce its own immigration laws. Of course that
message works as a magnet for illegals. If you recall.
Obama declared his DACA amnesty in 2012. Central Americans saw the
announcement, read the details - and roughly 400,000 people headed north
during the next four years.
Moreover, making that trek is dangerous, especially from South America.
People die of exposure and are exploited, sometimes sexually, by the Coyotes
they hire to lead them here.
Illegal immigration is a lose-lose for everyone but Democrats who desire the
votes and business owners who do not want to pay a legal resident a fair
market wage.
12.. In Most States, DACA Recipients are Eligible for Welfare Benefits
AZCentral:
Once DACA applicants are approved and receive a temporary employment
authorization card, they can apply for a Social Security Number. Under this
number, they can report wages and pay taxes.
DACA beneficiaries cannot receive federal benefits such as welfare and
food stamps. Some states allow for state-funded benefits, but Arizona
specifically prohibits it.
13.. Unless It Is Stopped, DACA Will Never Stop Growing
Every year, more and more illegal aliens become eligible for DACA's illegal
and unconstitutional amnesty program.
Obama's deputies low-balled his election-campaign giveaway by initially
predicting it would only reach about 560,000 younger illegals who were
supposedly brought into the United States by their parents before they
turned 16.
But the amnesty has already provided almost 900,000 work-permits and
Social Security cards to illegals who say they are aged 36 or less. More
than 92 percent of the applicants got their DACA approvals, with a rejection
rate of only 7 percent. The amnesty is expected to rise above 1.9 million
people as additional younger illegals become adults and try to enroll in
Obama's giveaway.
14.. DACA Ignores Some Criminal Behavior
Center for Immigration Studies:
DACA applies to individuals up to age 31 (as of June 2012, so 35 now) -
hardly children; consequently, many Dreamers have long-since terminated
their studies and most have committed multiple felonies in order to get
jobs - Social Security fraud, forgery, perjury on I-9 forms, falsification
of green cards and drivers' licenses, identity theft, etc. Dreamers continue
to commit these job-related crimes right up to the day their DACA status is
approved and they obtain work permits and their own genuine Social Security
numbers.
In addition, many illegal aliens qualifying for DACA status have
previously been arrested and convicted of multiple misdemeanors and some
have previously been or continue to be associated with violent gangs, as
evidenced by a report in the Seattle Times that states that over 1,500
Dreamers have had their DACA status revoked since 2012 due to their
involvement with criminal gangs.
-
On the true merits, the DACA debate is a loser for the Left and their media
cohorts - which is why the 14 facts above must remain largely unspoken.
Dwane Halstead
Sep 5, 2017, 2:31:11 PM9/5/17
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On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
Frank
Sep 5, 2017, 2:51:45 PM9/5/17
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TOS tRudey now!
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Sep 5, 2017, 8:41:07 PM9/5/17
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On 9/5/2017 5:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>
>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
>>
>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
>> I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>
>
> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
Yep.
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>
>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
>>
>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
>> I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>
>
> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
> you with a full mag and
Gunner Asch
Sep 5, 2017, 8:49:16 PM9/5/17
to
On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:41:06 -0700, Dwane Halstead
<kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>On 9/5/2017 5:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
>> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
>>>
>>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
>>> I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>>
>>
>> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
>
>Yep.
>
>> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
>> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
>> you with a full mag and
>
>That's not going to happen.
(VBG)
>On 9/5/2017 5:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
>> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
>>>
>>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
>>> I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>>
>>
>> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
>
>Yep.
>
>> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
>> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
>> you with a full mag and
>
>That's not going to happen.
TOS tRudey now!
Sep 5, 2017, 9:39:23 PM9/5/17
to
On 9/5/2017 6:41 PM, Dwane Halstead wrote:
> That's not going to happen.
> That's not going to happen.
raykeller
Sep 5, 2017, 10:21:10 PM9/5/17
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"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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metafors
Pussieboi will never show up to try and kick my ass LOL
Gunner Asch
Sep 5, 2017, 10:37:27 PM9/5/17
to
On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:21:08 -0700, "raykeller"
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
wrote:
I doubt if they would even let him out of the Home on a days
pass....too dangerous to himself and those around him.
He might come uncunted and the explosion hurt those surrounding him as
the blast of high velocity shit sprays the area.
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
wrote:
pass....too dangerous to himself and those around him.
He might come uncunted and the explosion hurt those surrounding him as
the blast of high velocity shit sprays the area.
Dwane Halstead
Sep 5, 2017, 11:26:37 PM9/5/17
to
On 9/5/2017 5:49 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:41:06 -0700, Dwane Halstead
> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>
>> On 9/5/2017 5:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
>>> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
>>>> I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
>>> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
>>> you with a full mag and
>>
>> That's not going to happen.
>
> (VBG)
It's a fact. It's a guarantee. ray-ray isn't capable of doing that;
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:41:06 -0700, Dwane Halstead
> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>
>> On 9/5/2017 5:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
>>> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
>>>> I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
>>> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
>>> you with a full mag and
>>
>> That's not going to happen.
>
> (VBG)
neither are you. That's proved beyond rational dispute.
Dwane Halstead
Sep 5, 2017, 11:39:07 PM9/5/17
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> hit a nerve to mix metafors [sic]
*metaphors", you illiterate squat-to-piss cocksucker.
> Pussieboi will never show up to try and kick my ass
Dwane Halstead
Sep 5, 2017, 11:39:45 PM9/5/17
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Stale and unoriginal.
TOS tRudey now!
Sep 6, 2017, 12:52:54 AM9/6/17
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On 9/5/2017 9:39 PM, Dwane Halstead wrote:
> Stale and unoriginal.
> Stale and unoriginal.
TOS tRudey now!
Sep 6, 2017, 12:53:13 AM9/6/17
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On 9/5/2017 9:39 PM, Dwane Halstead wrote:
> Not even close.
TOS tRudey now!
Sep 6, 2017, 12:53:34 AM9/6/17
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On 9/5/2017 9:26 PM, Dwane Halstead wrote:
> It's a fact.
> It's a fact.
TOS tRudey now!
Sep 6, 2017, 12:54:05 AM9/6/17
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On 9/5/2017 6:41 PM, Dwane Halstead wrote:
> That's not going to happen.
pyotr filipivich
Sep 6, 2017, 1:29:55 AM9/6/17
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"14 Things the MSM Won't Tell You About DACA"
what those 14 things are.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
Bill Litchfield
Sep 8, 2017, 10:38:08 AM9/8/17
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On 9/5/2017 5:49 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:41:06 -0700, Dwane Halstead
> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>
>> On 9/5/2017 5:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
>>> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
>>>> I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
>>> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
>>> you with a full mag and
>>
>> That's not going to happen.
>
> (VBG)
<VBG> Cites? indeed $75/hr fascinating "I've not" buffoon "hold that
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:41:06 -0700, Dwane Halstead
> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>
>> On 9/5/2017 5:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
>>> <kick_...@taft.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-tell-daca/
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat fuck.
>>>> I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
>>> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
>>> you with a full mag and
>>
>> That's not going to happen.
>
> (VBG)
thought" backhoe "the list" cull 264mph "3/5/8 years street cop"
swingers "Libs" leftists
Yep - not going to happen, as you have admitted thousands of times.
TOS tRudey now!
Sep 8, 2017, 3:08:43 PM9/8/17
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On 9/8/2017 8:38 AM, Bill Litchfield wrote:
> thousands of times.
> thousands of times.
Gunner Asch
Sep 10, 2017, 4:12:05 PM9/10/17
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:21:08 -0700, "raykeller"
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
wrote:
>
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
wrote:
>
and get him.
For some value of "get him"
(VBG)
kick ray-ray
Sep 10, 2017, 4:20:26 PM9/10/17
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Wile E. Coyote
Sep 11, 2017, 12:34:48 PM9/11/17
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:q27brchfa3fi2iemd...@4ax.com:
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
Wile E. Coyote
Sep 11, 2017, 12:35:07 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
news:b8htB.27145$t03....@fx23.iad:
So you say.
news:b8htB.27145$t03....@fx23.iad:
Gunner Asch
Sep 11, 2017, 12:39:19 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 12:39:45 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 12:40:40 PM9/11/17
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or even could.
Wile E. Coyote
Sep 11, 2017, 12:52:45 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
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with your existence.
Wile E. Coyote
Sep 11, 2017, 12:53:20 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in news:i%
ytB.14070$TD2....@fx18.iad:
Really? Like to get together and have it out man to lib?
ytB.14070$TD2....@fx18.iad:
kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 1:00:25 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 1:01:25 PM9/11/17
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of it, pussy.
Gunner Asch
Sep 11, 2017, 3:48:43 PM9/11/17
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:52:40 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
I think that a 5 gallon can filled with diesel fuel and Duzz
detergent, with a grenade taped to the side of it..and detonated by
pulling the pin with a bit of rope would be even more fun. Listening
to that prick scream as he burns to death....music...glorious music
detergent, with a grenade taped to the side of it..and detonated by
pulling the pin with a bit of rope would be even more fun. Listening
to that prick scream as he burns to death....music...glorious music
Gunner Asch
Sep 11, 2017, 3:49:59 PM9/11/17
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But the poor bastard wont even ID who he is...right Rudy?
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh!!
kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 4:27:48 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 4:28:25 PM9/11/17
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Anyway, it's not going to happen.
rangerssuck
Sep 11, 2017, 5:26:25 PM9/11/17
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You really do have to have pity on a guy who's life is so completely fucked up that all he has left are fantasies of doing harm to others. Buddhist my ass. There is not now, nor was there ever a Buddhist sect that promoted or condoned inflicting pain for one's own pleasure. There are, however, plenty of Buddhists who would feel sorrow for Wieber.
Wile E. Coyote
Sep 11, 2017, 6:20:08 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
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Gunner Asch
Sep 11, 2017, 6:58:55 PM9/11/17
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not..Sacramento...is it?
kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 7:11:28 PM9/11/17
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Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 7:27:50 PM9/11/17
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"Wile E. Coyote" <nuke_them_...@sulaco.com> wrote in message
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After they go off....nice, quiet and peaceful.
:-)
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 7:27:51 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
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Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 7:27:52 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
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Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 7:27:52 PM9/11/17
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I'll chip into that, but I get Youtube rights to the video.
pyotr filipivich
Sep 11, 2017, 7:33:23 PM9/11/17
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"Wile E. Coyote" <nuke_them_...@sulaco.com> on Mon, 11 Sep 2017
16:34:42 -0000 (UTC) typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
well.
Or just write "Trump was here" on the door and he'll never get
close enough to see if it is actually locked.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
16:34:42 -0000 (UTC) typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:21:08 -0700, "raykeller" wrote:
>>>"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:41:06 -0700, Dwane Halstead>>>>
>>>"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:41:06 -0700, Dwane Halstead>>>>
>>>>>On 9/5/2017 5:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:31:09 -0700, Dwane Halstead
>>>>>>> On 9/5/2017 11:30 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-
>>>>>>>> tell-daca/
>>>>>>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat
>>>>>>> fuck. I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>>>>>> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
>>>>>Yep.
>>>>>> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
>>>>>> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
>>>>>> you with a full mag and
>>>>>That's not going to happen.
>>>> (VBG)
>>>>>>>> http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/09/05/14-things-msm-wont-
>>>>>>>> tell-daca/
>>>>>>> Fuck off with your "breitbart" bullshit, ray-ray, you lying fat
>>>>>>> fuck. I'm going to kick your ass, bitch.
>>>>>> Sure you are...oh fuck yes..
>>>>>Yep.
>>>>>> you are going to pucker up and kiss his
>>>>>> ass, just before he turns, smiles down at you..and then gut shoots
>>>>>> you with a full mag and
>>>>>That's not going to happen.
>>>> (VBG)
>>>From the flack I would say I am over the target and hit a nerve to mix
>>>metafors
>>>Pussieboi will never show up to try and kick my ass LOL
>> He will never leave his "safe space", so its up to someone to go in
>> and get him.
>> For some value of "get him"
>> (VBG)
>Toss in grenades?
Gnaw. Just seal the door. Duct tape. Liquid Nails holds up
>>>metafors
>>>Pussieboi will never show up to try and kick my ass LOL
>> He will never leave his "safe space", so its up to someone to go in
>> and get him.
>> For some value of "get him"
>> (VBG)
>Toss in grenades?
well.
Or just write "Trump was here" on the door and he'll never get
close enough to see if it is actually locked.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 7:35:25 PM9/11/17
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he was going to have me killed for over a decade, and here I still am,
tormenting him.
kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 7:36:08 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 7:36:28 PM9/11/17
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Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 7:57:05 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
What's the matter, afraid to take him up on it?
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 7:57:05 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
If you like I will set the 2 of you up an escrow account and the funds will
be paid out to whoever does show up if one of you doesn't.
That should be easy money for you......except we know you're not going to
show up. Heck, I bet you wouldn't even be willing to put up money stating
you will show up.
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 7:57:05 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 8:07:08 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 8:07:30 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 8:07:53 PM9/11/17
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Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 9:03:41 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 9:03:41 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 9:03:42 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
slightest risk that it's more than just empty woofing.
kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 9:09:10 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 9:09:34 PM9/11/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 9:09:57 PM9/11/17
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John B.
Sep 11, 2017, 10:07:51 PM9/11/17
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and most important, act in attaining Nirvana is to "understand one's
self".
--
Cheers,
John B.
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 10:19:31 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
He reneged because you failed to hold up your end.
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 10:19:31 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 10:23:02 PM9/11/17
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You know he's a punk, just like you.
kick ray-ray
Sep 11, 2017, 10:23:42 PM9/11/17
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Gunner Asch
Sep 11, 2017, 11:46:15 PM9/11/17
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326 Olive Ave
Taft, California, 93268
house on the east side of the street just one house down the hill from
Wood St.
Its pretty hard to miss..got a bunch of sailboats in my side yard
https://photos.app.goo.gl/5c6rc5kR919UgN782
https://photos.app.goo.gl/p7fiszFMcbAOKUFi1
Now he will surely give us HIS address...right?
Gunner Asch
Sep 11, 2017, 11:48:48 PM9/11/17
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honor, respectability or brains. All he has is a ward cot in the home
and daily thorazine shots.
But...shrug...we have known this for years.
They put dogs down for having smaller issues than he carries around
with him every day.
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 11:49:28 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
confirmation.
Scout
Sep 11, 2017, 11:49:29 PM9/11/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
him that he had to do it first.
As the one who asked first, you should have responded with yours. He even
started a process of narrowing down to the street address so that each of
you would have more idea of where the other person was before giving out all
your information.
You refused to contribute anything.
Thus he was willing....you were not. To my mind that shows you to be the
pussy chickenshit afraid to put himself behind his bullshit.
kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 12:05:44 AM9/12/17
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didn't agree with you.
Come on, bitch say it. I know you're just itching to say it: "On the
contrary..."
You're not tough. None of you pussy boyz are tough. What you are is a
tuff-boi, which means you're not tough.
Gunner Asch
Sep 12, 2017, 12:06:46 AM9/12/17
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:35:59 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Rensi Buddhists do have that "requirement". More of a suggestion for
enlightenment..but it is there. Its not the first and most
important..but its high on the list.
http://www.beyondthenet.net/thedway/soldier.htm
Buddhism & The Soldier
Major General Ananda Weerasekera
Different people have understood Buddhism differently. It is often
debated whether Buddhism is a religion, philosophy or a way of life or
not. Since Buddhism contains all these aspects one is justified in
drawing any conclusion so long as one does not give an exclusive and
rigid title. The Buddha-dhamma (Doctrine),as most of the scholars say
, is a moral and philosophical system which expounds a unique path of
enlightenment, and is not a subject to be studied from a mere academic
standpoint. It is certainly to be studied, more to be practiced , and
above all to be realized by oneself.
All the teachings of the Buddha deal, in one way or another with the
path, known as The Noble Eightfold Path. It was the path realised and
introduced by Buddha and it is as follows.
Right views
Right thought
Right speech
Right action
Right livelihood
Right effort
Right mindfulness
Right concentration
This is also known as the 'Middle Path', since in actual practice it
avoids extremes. This Noble Eightfold Path is discussed in detail in
the Buddhist Texts. It is sufficient to
state that it is a code of conduct clearly laid down by Buddha to all
four sections of the Buddhist Society. That is Bikkhu (monks),
Bikkhuni (nuns), Upasaka (laymen), Upasika (laywomen).
The deciples of the Buddha whether men or women belong to many walks
of life from a King to a Servant. Whatever their civil status may be a
code of conduct and moral obligations for each one has been clearly
laid down by the Buddha. This code of conduct is collectively referred
to as Virtue (seela) which encompasses disciplined speech, disciplined
thought and controlled senses. A layman or a laywomen is advised to
observe the five basic precepts as the minimum limit of their
'discipline' in the society. The limits of 'seela' are different for
those who have renounced the lay life in search of liberation, The
Nirvana.
However the five precepts are not commandments but aspirations
voluntarily undertaken by each one. The first precept is to abstain
from taking life. "The life", according to Buddhism covers the entire
spectrum of living beings and are covered in 'Karaneeya Mettha Sutta'
as follows.
Tasa-Tava:- moving, unmoving
Diga-long, Mahantha-large,
Majjima-medium,
Rassaka- short,
Anuka-minute, Thula- fat
Ditta-that can be seen,
Additta-that cannot be seen,
Dure-which live far,
Avidure-which live near
Bhuta-born,
Sambavesi- seeking birth
Buddha's teachings are quite clear in regard to the extent to which
'love & compassion' should expand,. 'Sabbe satta bhavanthu
sukhitatta', ie. 'May all beings be happy' Buddha not only condemned
the destruction of living beings as higher seela, he also condemned
the destruction of the plant life. Buddhism being a 'way of life'
where plant animal and human lives are protected ,how does one explain
the 'destruction and suffering caused by war.'
War is violence, killing, destruction, blood and pain. Has Buddha
accepted these? According to Buddha, the causes of war being greed,
aversion and delusion are deep rooted in human mind. The milestones of
the path being seela, samadhi and panna make the human being realize
the causes that contribute to warfare and for the need for the
eradication of same.
The Buddha said,
All tremble at violence, All fear death,
Comparing oneself with others
One Should neither kill nor cause others to Kill' (Dammapada)
Hence any form of violence is not acceptable . He further says,
' Victory breeds hatred
The defeated live in pain,
Happily the peaceful live,
Giving up victory and defeat (Dammapada)
Victory and Defeat are two sides of the coin of War. It is clear in
Buddhism, what breeds in war whether it is victory or defeat.
Let us now deal with those having a direct involvement with War, The
King or in today's context the Government and the soldier. Does
Buddhism permit the State to build and foster an Army?. Can a good
Buddhist be a soldier? and can he kill for the sake of the country?
What about the 'Defence' of a country.? When a ruthless army invades a
country, does Buddhism prohibit a Buddhist King to defend his country
and his people? If Buddhism is a 'way of life,' is there any other way
for a righteous king to battle against an invasion of an army.?
The Damma is a way of life based on Right Thought, Right Livelihood,
Right Action etc. culminating in the supreme goal of Nibbana . However
it is a gradual process of training and progressing on the path
through one's long samsaric journey until one has fulfilled the
necessery conditions and is ready to let go the cycle of birth decay
and death. Hence, until then the King has to rule, the farmer has to
farm, teacher has to teach, the trader has to trade and so on. But
they are expected to do it the Buddhist way in order to help them
progress on the path.
In 'chakkavatti- sihanada sutta' (The Lion's Roar on the Turning of
Wheel) of the long discourses of the Buddha, Buddha justified the
requirement of the king having an Army to provide guard, protection
and security for different classes of people in the kingdom from
internal and external threats. It refers to a Wheel Turning monarch
named Dalhanemi, a righteous monarch of the law, conqueror of the four
quarters who had established the security of his realm and was
possessed of the seven treasures. He had more than 1000 sons who were
heroes, of heroic stature, conquerors of the hostile army. Explaining
the noble duties of a righteous king, Buddha also pointed out the
advice given to the king in regard to his obligation to provide
security for its people. The advisor tells the king " my son, yourself
depending on the Dhamma, revering it, doing homage to it, and
venerating it having the Dhamma as your badge and banner,
acknowledging the Dhamma as your master, you should establish guard,
ward and protection according to Dhamma for your own household, your
troops in the Army, your nobles and vassals, for Brahmins and
householders, town and countryfolk, ascetics and Brahmins, for beasts
and birds. Let no crime prevail in your kingdom"
Explaining further the duties of a righteous king, Buddha states,
"…Son, the people of your kingdom should from time to time come to you
and consult you as to what is to be followed and what is not to be
followed, what is wholesome and what not wholesome, and what action
will in the long run lead to harm and sorrow, welfare and happiness.
You should listen and tell them to avoid evil and to do what is good
for the country. This sutta clearly indicates that Buddhism permits a
king to have an army since a righteous king, who is also the commander
of the army, knows, the righteous way to engage the army and to
protect his people.
'Seeha Senapathi Sutta' of Anguttara Nikaya-5 shows how, one of the
army commanders named 'Seeha' went to Buddha to clarify certain doubts
on the Dhamma and how the Buddha advised him without requesting him to
resign from the Army or to disband the army. Having clarified his
doubts on the Dhamma, Commander Seeha requested Buddha to accept him
as a deciple of the Buddha. But Buddha instead of advising him to
resign from the army advised thus
'Seeha, it is proper for a popular person of your status to always
think and examine when attending to affairs and making decisions '
Seeha, the commander became a sotapanna (stream enterer = first fruit
of the Path) having listened to the Dhamma, but remained in the army
as a commander.
In this instance too one could see that Buddha did not advise Seeha
against the Army or being a commander of an Army, but only advised to
discharge his duties the proper way.
King Ajasattu, had a unsatiable desire to conquer other kingdoms. He
even murdered his father for the throne and aided Devadatta who was
plotting to kill the Buddha. Once Ajasattu having decided to conquer
the kingdom of Vajjians sent his chief minister Vassakara to Buddha to
find out Buddha's views about his decision to conquer the Vajjians.
Ajasttu wanted to know whether he will gain victory, cunningly using
Buddha's ability to predict the future with accuracy.
Once the usual complimentary greetings were exchanged, between the
Buddha and Vassakara and the purpose of his visit was made known,
Buddha turned to his chief attendant Venerable Ananda with praise of
the Vajjians and their noble democratic confederacy. Buddha further
inquired from Venerable Ananda whether the Vajjians are strictly
following the conditions of Dhamma NOT leading to decline as taught to
the Vajjians by Buddha to which Ven. Ananda replied 'yes'.
Then Buddha turned to venerable Ananda and declared thus, "As long as
they would continue on these lines, taught them by Buddha earlier at
Vasali, they cannot be defeated and not expected to decline but to
prosper." The shrewd minister drew his own conclusion that the
Licchavis of vajji state could not be conquered in battle at that
moment, but if their unity and alliance is broken they could be
defeated and ran back to his king with this news. In fact Ajasattu
defeated vajjians not even three years after the Buddha's death purely
by shrewdly creating disunity amongst the rulers of the Vajjians
Numerous conclusions could be drawn from this story too. Buddha knew
that both States did have strong armies and that they are needed for
the protection of their people. Buddha did not advice minister
Vassakara that the concept on 'Army' is against Buddhism and that he
should advice the king not to declare war against Vajjis but to
desolve the army. Buddha at this instance also brought up important
lessons in 'state craft.' It helped the crafty minister to adopt a
different strategy to invade Vajji State, by using psychological
approach first and then the physical assault next. Further, by having
a conversation with Venerable Ananda Buddha indicated to minister
Vassakara that even though king Ajasasattu has a mighty strong army,
and have conquered several states he will not be able to defeat
Licchavis so long as they adhere to the said noble policies. It is
also an indirect advice to king Ajatasattu that it is in order having
an army but that army will not be able to conquer people with virtuous
qualities. It was also an indication to Ajasattu that he too should be
a righteous king with an army where no other king could defeat him, by
adhering to the said policies which will not lead a society to
decline. These policies are referred to as 'saptha aparihani dhamma'
and they are as follows:
Having meetings and assemblies frequently.
Rulers assembling in harmony, conducting their affairs in harmony
and dispersing in harmony.
Adhering to the accepted ancient noble traditions and not
extirpating the accepted established norms and traditions by
introducing new laws.
Respecting the elders, worshiping them, consulting them, and
believing that they must be listened to.
Respecting and protecting the women folk and not living with them
forcibly or molesting them.
Paying respect to all internal and external places of worship,
paying homage to those worthy of veneration and continue to make
spiritual offerings traditionally done.
Soldiering was accepted by the Buddha as a noble profession.The
soldier was known as " Rajabhata." Buddha did not permit rajabata to
become monks whilst in service as a soldier.
Once Sidhartha Gauthama's father, king Suddhodana came to Buddha and
complained,
"Gauthama Buddha, my son, when you were the most suitable for the
throne of a Sakvithi King, you left all of us and became a monk. Then
you insulted me by begging for meals, walking house to house along the
streets in my own town. The relatives laughed at me and they insulted
me. Now you are trying to destroy my Army."
" Why " the Buddha asked. " What has happened to your great Army, my
father."
Then the king answered," Can't you see, my soldiers are deserting the
army one by one and joining your group as monks."
" why are they becoming monks, great king and why are they leaving the
Army." Asked Buddha.
" Can't you see " the king answered. " They know that when they become
monks they get free food, free clothes, free accommodation and
respected by all."
Buddha smiled and requested the king to go back to the Palace and said
that he will settle the issue. Buddha then promulgated a law ( Vinaya
) for the monks to the effect that, No soldier could become a monk
whilst in military service. This law is still valid to date.
Accordingly even today unless a soldier is legally discharged from the
army or unless a soldier retires legitimately, he is NOT ordained as a
monk and will not be accepted into the order of monks. This ensures
that soldiers do not desert the army even to join the Buddhist order.
Further in terms of the Vinaya ( the code of conduct for monks) monks
permitted to visit the battle field but they were ordered to return
before the sunset. Permission was also given to visit the injured
relatives in the battlefield.
Further whilst the expressly referred to five occupations as
unrighteous Soldiering is not included amongst those.
The Buddha once describing the qualities of a good monk, compared
those to the essential qualities of a good king to be as follows:
Pure decent
Great wealth
Strong army
Wise ministers
Glory
Once at the city of Savatti, Buddha describing five types of monks in
comparison to the five types of soldiers in the world, (A.iii, duthiya
yodhajeevupama sutta ) classified the soldiers as follows:-
A soldier who enters the battle field armed with sword and shield,
bow and arrows and who gets himself killed by the enemy during battle.
This is the first type of soldier.
A soldier who enters the battle field bravely armed with sword and
shield, bow and arrows but gets injured during battle and taken to his
close relatives. But he dies on the way before he reaches his
relatives. This is the second type of soldier.
Soldier who enters the battlefield bravely armed with sword and
shield, bow and arrows, gets injured and having taken to his close
relatives, receives medical treatment with care. But he dies with the
same ailment although he was surrounded by relatives. This is the
third type of soldier.
Soldier who enters the battlefield bravely armed with sword and
shield, bow and arrows, gets injured and having taken to his close
relatives, receives medical treatment with care. He recovers from the
injury. This is the fourth type of soldier.
Soldier who enters the battlefield bravely armed with armourments
destroys and defeats the enemy. Having won the battle he remains in
the battlefront victoriously. This is the fifth type of soldier.
Similarly in ' patama yodhajeevacupama sutta' Buddha explains five
types of soldiers or warriors.
Type -1- Tremble with fear, unsteady, afraid to get into the
battlefield by seeing the dust and clouds created by fighting men,
animals and vehicles.
Type - 2 - Could withstand the dust and clouds. But tremble with
fear, unsteady, afraid to get into the battlefield by seeing the
Standards and Banners of the enemy.
Type-3- Could withstand dust and clouds, the sight of the enemy
Standards and Banners But tremble with fear, unsteady, afraid to get
into the battlefield by hearing the frightening noises and the battle
cries in the field.
Type- 4 - could withstand dust and clouds, Standards and Banners
of the enemy, the noises and the battle cries But Tremble with fear,
unsteady, afraid to get into the battlefield by a small attack by the
enemy.
Type -5- could withstand dust and clouds, Standards and Banners of
the enemy, the noises and the battle cries. He fights back and wins
his battle. Having won, he victoriously enjoys the fruits seven days
staying in the middle of the battlefield.
When the Buddha recognized a strong army as an essential requirement
of the king he was also aware that the Commander in Chief of the Army
was also the king of the country and that a strong Army four main
divisions, then known as 'the caturangani sena', consisting of Cavalry
(horses), Elephant force, Armed vehicles and the Infantry, each having
its own functions in battle.
His knowledge of the battlefield is so evident for the similis
frequently quoted by him from the battlefield. In Akkhama sutta of
Anguttara Nikaya Buddha compares five weak qualities of elephants
selected to go into battle with that of 5 weak qualities of monks
proceeding through the battle of 'Liberation.'
In the Sutta the Buddha says, An elephant belonging to the
'caturangani sena' [four divisions of the Army of the ruler] will not
be suitable if , it get frightened, trembles, unable to control and
withdraws,
merely by the sight of other elephants, horses, military vehicles
and soldiers in the battle field,
merely by hearing noises and sounds of the battle cries of
elephants, horses, infantry and worrier drums in the field,
merely by the body smell and the smell of urine etc of other
majestic elephants in the battle field,
merely for not getting its food and water for one day or few days
in the battle field.
From the above it is clear that contrary to the popular belief the
Buddha has not rejected or prohibited soldiering as a profession or
occupation and the right of a king or a government to have an army and
to defend one's country and its people. In the contrary the Buddha has
expressly recognized the necessity for a king to have an army and
providing protection to the subjects of a country has been recognized
as a prime duty of the king .
The Buddha in his wisdom did not expect a nation or the rulers to be
lame ducks in the wake of an enemy invasion. However Buddha's
expectations from one who is training to be an Arhant whether monk or
layman are different and it should not be mistaken with the Buddha's
expectations from the laity burdened with numerous worldly
responsibilities. It is also because the Buddha in his wisdom did not
expect every 'Buddhist' to opt for Arahantship nor to become an
ascetic renouncing the worldly affairs. To the majority Buddhism is a
way of life rather than a faith, philosophy, or a religion.
However it should be stressed that a soldier like all others is
subject to the law of Kamma and will not escape the Kammic fruits of
"taking the Life"of a sentient being (panatipatha) even though he may
have had the overall noble intention of protecting his country and his
people.
While killing may be inevitable in a long and successful army career
opportunities for merit too is unlimited for a disciplined and
conscientious soldier.
A disciplined soldier fights his enemy in accordance with the best of
traditions and norms maintained by an army. He doesn't kill a
defenseless person. A good soldier provides medical treatment to the
injured enemy captured. He doesn't kill prisoners of war, children,
women or the aged. A disciplined soldier destroys his enemy only when
his or the lives of his comrades are in danger.
Soldier is one who thrives for peace within because he is one who
realizes the pain of his own wounds. He is one who sees the bloody
destruction of war, the dead, the suffering etc. Hence his desire to
bring peace to himself as well as to the others by ending the war as
soon as possible. He not only suffers during the war but even after
the war. The painful memories of the battles he fought linger in him
making his aspire for true and lasting peace within and without. Hence
the common phenomenon of transformation of brutal kings having an
insatiable desire to conquer to incomparable and exemplary righteous
kings such as Drarmasoka king of Mourian dynasty of India.
wrote:
enlightenment..but it is there. Its not the first and most
important..but its high on the list.
http://www.beyondthenet.net/thedway/soldier.htm
Buddhism & The Soldier
Major General Ananda Weerasekera
Different people have understood Buddhism differently. It is often
debated whether Buddhism is a religion, philosophy or a way of life or
not. Since Buddhism contains all these aspects one is justified in
drawing any conclusion so long as one does not give an exclusive and
rigid title. The Buddha-dhamma (Doctrine),as most of the scholars say
, is a moral and philosophical system which expounds a unique path of
enlightenment, and is not a subject to be studied from a mere academic
standpoint. It is certainly to be studied, more to be practiced , and
above all to be realized by oneself.
All the teachings of the Buddha deal, in one way or another with the
path, known as The Noble Eightfold Path. It was the path realised and
introduced by Buddha and it is as follows.
Right views
Right thought
Right speech
Right action
Right livelihood
Right effort
Right mindfulness
Right concentration
This is also known as the 'Middle Path', since in actual practice it
avoids extremes. This Noble Eightfold Path is discussed in detail in
the Buddhist Texts. It is sufficient to
state that it is a code of conduct clearly laid down by Buddha to all
four sections of the Buddhist Society. That is Bikkhu (monks),
Bikkhuni (nuns), Upasaka (laymen), Upasika (laywomen).
The deciples of the Buddha whether men or women belong to many walks
of life from a King to a Servant. Whatever their civil status may be a
code of conduct and moral obligations for each one has been clearly
laid down by the Buddha. This code of conduct is collectively referred
to as Virtue (seela) which encompasses disciplined speech, disciplined
thought and controlled senses. A layman or a laywomen is advised to
observe the five basic precepts as the minimum limit of their
'discipline' in the society. The limits of 'seela' are different for
those who have renounced the lay life in search of liberation, The
Nirvana.
However the five precepts are not commandments but aspirations
voluntarily undertaken by each one. The first precept is to abstain
from taking life. "The life", according to Buddhism covers the entire
spectrum of living beings and are covered in 'Karaneeya Mettha Sutta'
as follows.
Tasa-Tava:- moving, unmoving
Diga-long, Mahantha-large,
Majjima-medium,
Rassaka- short,
Anuka-minute, Thula- fat
Ditta-that can be seen,
Additta-that cannot be seen,
Dure-which live far,
Avidure-which live near
Bhuta-born,
Sambavesi- seeking birth
Buddha's teachings are quite clear in regard to the extent to which
'love & compassion' should expand,. 'Sabbe satta bhavanthu
sukhitatta', ie. 'May all beings be happy' Buddha not only condemned
the destruction of living beings as higher seela, he also condemned
the destruction of the plant life. Buddhism being a 'way of life'
where plant animal and human lives are protected ,how does one explain
the 'destruction and suffering caused by war.'
War is violence, killing, destruction, blood and pain. Has Buddha
accepted these? According to Buddha, the causes of war being greed,
aversion and delusion are deep rooted in human mind. The milestones of
the path being seela, samadhi and panna make the human being realize
the causes that contribute to warfare and for the need for the
eradication of same.
The Buddha said,
All tremble at violence, All fear death,
Comparing oneself with others
One Should neither kill nor cause others to Kill' (Dammapada)
Hence any form of violence is not acceptable . He further says,
' Victory breeds hatred
The defeated live in pain,
Happily the peaceful live,
Giving up victory and defeat (Dammapada)
Victory and Defeat are two sides of the coin of War. It is clear in
Buddhism, what breeds in war whether it is victory or defeat.
Let us now deal with those having a direct involvement with War, The
King or in today's context the Government and the soldier. Does
Buddhism permit the State to build and foster an Army?. Can a good
Buddhist be a soldier? and can he kill for the sake of the country?
What about the 'Defence' of a country.? When a ruthless army invades a
country, does Buddhism prohibit a Buddhist King to defend his country
and his people? If Buddhism is a 'way of life,' is there any other way
for a righteous king to battle against an invasion of an army.?
The Damma is a way of life based on Right Thought, Right Livelihood,
Right Action etc. culminating in the supreme goal of Nibbana . However
it is a gradual process of training and progressing on the path
through one's long samsaric journey until one has fulfilled the
necessery conditions and is ready to let go the cycle of birth decay
and death. Hence, until then the King has to rule, the farmer has to
farm, teacher has to teach, the trader has to trade and so on. But
they are expected to do it the Buddhist way in order to help them
progress on the path.
In 'chakkavatti- sihanada sutta' (The Lion's Roar on the Turning of
Wheel) of the long discourses of the Buddha, Buddha justified the
requirement of the king having an Army to provide guard, protection
and security for different classes of people in the kingdom from
internal and external threats. It refers to a Wheel Turning monarch
named Dalhanemi, a righteous monarch of the law, conqueror of the four
quarters who had established the security of his realm and was
possessed of the seven treasures. He had more than 1000 sons who were
heroes, of heroic stature, conquerors of the hostile army. Explaining
the noble duties of a righteous king, Buddha also pointed out the
advice given to the king in regard to his obligation to provide
security for its people. The advisor tells the king " my son, yourself
depending on the Dhamma, revering it, doing homage to it, and
venerating it having the Dhamma as your badge and banner,
acknowledging the Dhamma as your master, you should establish guard,
ward and protection according to Dhamma for your own household, your
troops in the Army, your nobles and vassals, for Brahmins and
householders, town and countryfolk, ascetics and Brahmins, for beasts
and birds. Let no crime prevail in your kingdom"
Explaining further the duties of a righteous king, Buddha states,
"…Son, the people of your kingdom should from time to time come to you
and consult you as to what is to be followed and what is not to be
followed, what is wholesome and what not wholesome, and what action
will in the long run lead to harm and sorrow, welfare and happiness.
You should listen and tell them to avoid evil and to do what is good
for the country. This sutta clearly indicates that Buddhism permits a
king to have an army since a righteous king, who is also the commander
of the army, knows, the righteous way to engage the army and to
protect his people.
'Seeha Senapathi Sutta' of Anguttara Nikaya-5 shows how, one of the
army commanders named 'Seeha' went to Buddha to clarify certain doubts
on the Dhamma and how the Buddha advised him without requesting him to
resign from the Army or to disband the army. Having clarified his
doubts on the Dhamma, Commander Seeha requested Buddha to accept him
as a deciple of the Buddha. But Buddha instead of advising him to
resign from the army advised thus
'Seeha, it is proper for a popular person of your status to always
think and examine when attending to affairs and making decisions '
Seeha, the commander became a sotapanna (stream enterer = first fruit
of the Path) having listened to the Dhamma, but remained in the army
as a commander.
In this instance too one could see that Buddha did not advise Seeha
against the Army or being a commander of an Army, but only advised to
discharge his duties the proper way.
King Ajasattu, had a unsatiable desire to conquer other kingdoms. He
even murdered his father for the throne and aided Devadatta who was
plotting to kill the Buddha. Once Ajasattu having decided to conquer
the kingdom of Vajjians sent his chief minister Vassakara to Buddha to
find out Buddha's views about his decision to conquer the Vajjians.
Ajasttu wanted to know whether he will gain victory, cunningly using
Buddha's ability to predict the future with accuracy.
Once the usual complimentary greetings were exchanged, between the
Buddha and Vassakara and the purpose of his visit was made known,
Buddha turned to his chief attendant Venerable Ananda with praise of
the Vajjians and their noble democratic confederacy. Buddha further
inquired from Venerable Ananda whether the Vajjians are strictly
following the conditions of Dhamma NOT leading to decline as taught to
the Vajjians by Buddha to which Ven. Ananda replied 'yes'.
Then Buddha turned to venerable Ananda and declared thus, "As long as
they would continue on these lines, taught them by Buddha earlier at
Vasali, they cannot be defeated and not expected to decline but to
prosper." The shrewd minister drew his own conclusion that the
Licchavis of vajji state could not be conquered in battle at that
moment, but if their unity and alliance is broken they could be
defeated and ran back to his king with this news. In fact Ajasattu
defeated vajjians not even three years after the Buddha's death purely
by shrewdly creating disunity amongst the rulers of the Vajjians
Numerous conclusions could be drawn from this story too. Buddha knew
that both States did have strong armies and that they are needed for
the protection of their people. Buddha did not advice minister
Vassakara that the concept on 'Army' is against Buddhism and that he
should advice the king not to declare war against Vajjis but to
desolve the army. Buddha at this instance also brought up important
lessons in 'state craft.' It helped the crafty minister to adopt a
different strategy to invade Vajji State, by using psychological
approach first and then the physical assault next. Further, by having
a conversation with Venerable Ananda Buddha indicated to minister
Vassakara that even though king Ajasasattu has a mighty strong army,
and have conquered several states he will not be able to defeat
Licchavis so long as they adhere to the said noble policies. It is
also an indirect advice to king Ajatasattu that it is in order having
an army but that army will not be able to conquer people with virtuous
qualities. It was also an indication to Ajasattu that he too should be
a righteous king with an army where no other king could defeat him, by
adhering to the said policies which will not lead a society to
decline. These policies are referred to as 'saptha aparihani dhamma'
and they are as follows:
Having meetings and assemblies frequently.
Rulers assembling in harmony, conducting their affairs in harmony
and dispersing in harmony.
Adhering to the accepted ancient noble traditions and not
extirpating the accepted established norms and traditions by
introducing new laws.
Respecting the elders, worshiping them, consulting them, and
believing that they must be listened to.
Respecting and protecting the women folk and not living with them
forcibly or molesting them.
Paying respect to all internal and external places of worship,
paying homage to those worthy of veneration and continue to make
spiritual offerings traditionally done.
Soldiering was accepted by the Buddha as a noble profession.The
soldier was known as " Rajabhata." Buddha did not permit rajabata to
become monks whilst in service as a soldier.
Once Sidhartha Gauthama's father, king Suddhodana came to Buddha and
complained,
"Gauthama Buddha, my son, when you were the most suitable for the
throne of a Sakvithi King, you left all of us and became a monk. Then
you insulted me by begging for meals, walking house to house along the
streets in my own town. The relatives laughed at me and they insulted
me. Now you are trying to destroy my Army."
" Why " the Buddha asked. " What has happened to your great Army, my
father."
Then the king answered," Can't you see, my soldiers are deserting the
army one by one and joining your group as monks."
" why are they becoming monks, great king and why are they leaving the
Army." Asked Buddha.
" Can't you see " the king answered. " They know that when they become
monks they get free food, free clothes, free accommodation and
respected by all."
Buddha smiled and requested the king to go back to the Palace and said
that he will settle the issue. Buddha then promulgated a law ( Vinaya
) for the monks to the effect that, No soldier could become a monk
whilst in military service. This law is still valid to date.
Accordingly even today unless a soldier is legally discharged from the
army or unless a soldier retires legitimately, he is NOT ordained as a
monk and will not be accepted into the order of monks. This ensures
that soldiers do not desert the army even to join the Buddhist order.
Further in terms of the Vinaya ( the code of conduct for monks) monks
permitted to visit the battle field but they were ordered to return
before the sunset. Permission was also given to visit the injured
relatives in the battlefield.
Further whilst the expressly referred to five occupations as
unrighteous Soldiering is not included amongst those.
The Buddha once describing the qualities of a good monk, compared
those to the essential qualities of a good king to be as follows:
Pure decent
Great wealth
Strong army
Wise ministers
Glory
Once at the city of Savatti, Buddha describing five types of monks in
comparison to the five types of soldiers in the world, (A.iii, duthiya
yodhajeevupama sutta ) classified the soldiers as follows:-
A soldier who enters the battle field armed with sword and shield,
bow and arrows and who gets himself killed by the enemy during battle.
This is the first type of soldier.
A soldier who enters the battle field bravely armed with sword and
shield, bow and arrows but gets injured during battle and taken to his
close relatives. But he dies on the way before he reaches his
relatives. This is the second type of soldier.
Soldier who enters the battlefield bravely armed with sword and
shield, bow and arrows, gets injured and having taken to his close
relatives, receives medical treatment with care. But he dies with the
same ailment although he was surrounded by relatives. This is the
third type of soldier.
Soldier who enters the battlefield bravely armed with sword and
shield, bow and arrows, gets injured and having taken to his close
relatives, receives medical treatment with care. He recovers from the
injury. This is the fourth type of soldier.
Soldier who enters the battlefield bravely armed with armourments
destroys and defeats the enemy. Having won the battle he remains in
the battlefront victoriously. This is the fifth type of soldier.
Similarly in ' patama yodhajeevacupama sutta' Buddha explains five
types of soldiers or warriors.
Type -1- Tremble with fear, unsteady, afraid to get into the
battlefield by seeing the dust and clouds created by fighting men,
animals and vehicles.
Type - 2 - Could withstand the dust and clouds. But tremble with
fear, unsteady, afraid to get into the battlefield by seeing the
Standards and Banners of the enemy.
Type-3- Could withstand dust and clouds, the sight of the enemy
Standards and Banners But tremble with fear, unsteady, afraid to get
into the battlefield by hearing the frightening noises and the battle
cries in the field.
Type- 4 - could withstand dust and clouds, Standards and Banners
of the enemy, the noises and the battle cries But Tremble with fear,
unsteady, afraid to get into the battlefield by a small attack by the
enemy.
Type -5- could withstand dust and clouds, Standards and Banners of
the enemy, the noises and the battle cries. He fights back and wins
his battle. Having won, he victoriously enjoys the fruits seven days
staying in the middle of the battlefield.
When the Buddha recognized a strong army as an essential requirement
of the king he was also aware that the Commander in Chief of the Army
was also the king of the country and that a strong Army four main
divisions, then known as 'the caturangani sena', consisting of Cavalry
(horses), Elephant force, Armed vehicles and the Infantry, each having
its own functions in battle.
His knowledge of the battlefield is so evident for the similis
frequently quoted by him from the battlefield. In Akkhama sutta of
Anguttara Nikaya Buddha compares five weak qualities of elephants
selected to go into battle with that of 5 weak qualities of monks
proceeding through the battle of 'Liberation.'
In the Sutta the Buddha says, An elephant belonging to the
'caturangani sena' [four divisions of the Army of the ruler] will not
be suitable if , it get frightened, trembles, unable to control and
withdraws,
merely by the sight of other elephants, horses, military vehicles
and soldiers in the battle field,
merely by hearing noises and sounds of the battle cries of
elephants, horses, infantry and worrier drums in the field,
merely by the body smell and the smell of urine etc of other
majestic elephants in the battle field,
merely for not getting its food and water for one day or few days
in the battle field.
From the above it is clear that contrary to the popular belief the
Buddha has not rejected or prohibited soldiering as a profession or
occupation and the right of a king or a government to have an army and
to defend one's country and its people. In the contrary the Buddha has
expressly recognized the necessity for a king to have an army and
providing protection to the subjects of a country has been recognized
as a prime duty of the king .
The Buddha in his wisdom did not expect a nation or the rulers to be
lame ducks in the wake of an enemy invasion. However Buddha's
expectations from one who is training to be an Arhant whether monk or
layman are different and it should not be mistaken with the Buddha's
expectations from the laity burdened with numerous worldly
responsibilities. It is also because the Buddha in his wisdom did not
expect every 'Buddhist' to opt for Arahantship nor to become an
ascetic renouncing the worldly affairs. To the majority Buddhism is a
way of life rather than a faith, philosophy, or a religion.
However it should be stressed that a soldier like all others is
subject to the law of Kamma and will not escape the Kammic fruits of
"taking the Life"of a sentient being (panatipatha) even though he may
have had the overall noble intention of protecting his country and his
people.
While killing may be inevitable in a long and successful army career
opportunities for merit too is unlimited for a disciplined and
conscientious soldier.
A disciplined soldier fights his enemy in accordance with the best of
traditions and norms maintained by an army. He doesn't kill a
defenseless person. A good soldier provides medical treatment to the
injured enemy captured. He doesn't kill prisoners of war, children,
women or the aged. A disciplined soldier destroys his enemy only when
his or the lives of his comrades are in danger.
Soldier is one who thrives for peace within because he is one who
realizes the pain of his own wounds. He is one who sees the bloody
destruction of war, the dead, the suffering etc. Hence his desire to
bring peace to himself as well as to the others by ending the war as
soon as possible. He not only suffers during the war but even after
the war. The painful memories of the battles he fought linger in him
making his aspire for true and lasting peace within and without. Hence
the common phenomenon of transformation of brutal kings having an
insatiable desire to conquer to incomparable and exemplary righteous
kings such as Drarmasoka king of Mourian dynasty of India.
kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 12:07:23 AM9/12/17
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address after he started running his pussy tuff-boi mouth.
>
> As the one who asked first, you should have responded with yours.
kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 12:09:15 AM9/12/17
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kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 12:13:33 AM9/12/17
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don't beat my wife; you do. I own my own house and pay my mortgage and
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and have 30 years of tax liens. I'm gainfully employed; you're not.
I'm educated; you're not. My wife hasn't left me repeatedly to shack up
with someone else; you're many times a cuck. My son is being courted by
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I am your better in every dimension, Wieber. Never forget that, you
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> Toss in grenades?
You don't have 'em. I'd shove it up your gaping HIV-oozing ass, anyway.
You're not tough. You've admitted it.
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>> (VBG)
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> Toss in grenades?
You don't have 'em. I'd shove it up your gaping HIV-oozing ass, anyway.
You're not tough. You've admitted it.
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 12:44:27 AM9/12/17
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reason is what indicated disagreement, little ass-lick scooter.
You're not tough, scooter. You admit it. What you are is a pussy-boi.
Come on, bitch, say it. I know you're just itching to say it: "On the
contrary..." It's one of your favorites. Don't disappoint, boi.
Scout
Sep 12, 2017, 2:07:49 AM9/12/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
I accept that.
I said pretty much the same thing but since I was trying to be polite I was
less direct about it. If you want to admit what you said was empty bullshit,
then we are in agreement and you confirmed what I said....though I did it in
a more polite manner.
Let me guess, this is the point where you try to again revise Usenet
history.
John B.
Sep 12, 2017, 2:49:01 AM9/12/17
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:06:43 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:35:59 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
>><range...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:27:48 PM UTC-4, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>> On 9/11/2017 12:48 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> > I think that a 5 gallon can filled with diesel fuel and Duzz
>>>> > detergent, with a grenade taped to the side of it..and detonated by
>>>> > pulling the pin with a bit of rope would be even more fun
>>>>
>>>> Not going to happen, Wieber, and you fucking know it.
>>>
>>>Actually, the poor slob probably *doesn't* know it. In all likelihood, he has told these fantastic tales so many times that in his twisted mind, they have become what passes for reality in Wieber-World.
>>>
>>>You really do have to have pity on a guy who's life is so completely fucked up that all he has left are fantasies of doing harm to others. Buddhist my ass. There is not now, nor was there ever a Buddhist sect that promoted or condoned inflicting pain for one's own pleasure. There are, however, plenty of Buddhists who would feel sorrow for Wieber.
>>
>>The Buddhist sect that he claims to belong to believes that the first,
>>and most important, act in attaining Nirvana is to "understand one's
>>self".
>
>
>Rensi Buddhists do have that "requirement". More of a suggestion for
>enlightenment..but it is there. Its not the first and most
>important..but its high on the list.
>
>
>http://www.beyondthenet.net/thedway/soldier.htm
>
Hundreds of lines of cut and paste none of which he understands and he
even misspells the name of his professed version of Buddhism.
In reality it is pronounced "Rinzai" and it is a sub branch of Zen
Buddhism.
It is generally described as:
Rinzai Zen is marked by the emphasis it places on kensho ("seeing
one's true nature") as the gateway to authentic Buddhist practice, and
for its insistence on many years of exhaustive post-kensho training to
embody the free functioning of wisdom within the activities of daily
life.
But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
opposite reaction.
So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
a water buffalo.
(but come to think of, he is already a worm)
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:35:59 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
>><range...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:27:48 PM UTC-4, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>> On 9/11/2017 12:48 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> > I think that a 5 gallon can filled with diesel fuel and Duzz
>>>> > detergent, with a grenade taped to the side of it..and detonated by
>>>> > pulling the pin with a bit of rope would be even more fun
>>>>
>>>> Not going to happen, Wieber, and you fucking know it.
>>>
>>>Actually, the poor slob probably *doesn't* know it. In all likelihood, he has told these fantastic tales so many times that in his twisted mind, they have become what passes for reality in Wieber-World.
>>>
>>>You really do have to have pity on a guy who's life is so completely fucked up that all he has left are fantasies of doing harm to others. Buddhist my ass. There is not now, nor was there ever a Buddhist sect that promoted or condoned inflicting pain for one's own pleasure. There are, however, plenty of Buddhists who would feel sorrow for Wieber.
>>
>>The Buddhist sect that he claims to belong to believes that the first,
>>and most important, act in attaining Nirvana is to "understand one's
>>self".
>
>
>Rensi Buddhists do have that "requirement". More of a suggestion for
>enlightenment..but it is there. Its not the first and most
>important..but its high on the list.
>
>
>http://www.beyondthenet.net/thedway/soldier.htm
>
even misspells the name of his professed version of Buddhism.
In reality it is pronounced "Rinzai" and it is a sub branch of Zen
Buddhism.
It is generally described as:
Rinzai Zen is marked by the emphasis it places on kensho ("seeing
one's true nature") as the gateway to authentic Buddhist practice, and
for its insistence on many years of exhaustive post-kensho training to
embody the free functioning of wisdom within the activities of daily
life.
But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
opposite reaction.
So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
a water buffalo.
(but come to think of, he is already a worm)
--
Cheers,
John B.
kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 2:53:40 AM9/12/17
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coward behind "Wiley [sic] E. Coyote" is are squat-to-piss pussies.
Note that I didn't agree with you, scooter. I kicked your flabby faggot
ass.
Wile E. Coyote
Sep 12, 2017, 7:14:30 AM9/12/17
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kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
news:yKEtB.60696$pI2....@fx10.iad:
> On 9/11/2017 3:58 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 22:20:03 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
>>> news:BjztB.131977$OC1....@fx06.iad:
>>>> You've been blabbering about that to me for months. Nothing ever
>>>> comes of it, pussy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You never agree or tell me where you are.
>>>> comes of it, pussy.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Please tell him where you live...so I can keep notes. Its
>> not..Sacramento...is it?
>
> Ha ha ha ha! Looks like your "computer wienies" fucked up yet again!
>
Low IQ lib.
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 9:43:54 AM9/12/17
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If 6 Was 9
Sep 12, 2017, 11:59:05 AM9/12/17
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hoarding? Doesn't that somehow make up for all his failures? LOL
Plus, he says he at one time had $150 in his Paypal account. Which
surely makes him Taft's version of Milburn Drysdale at the very least.
Gunner Asch
Sep 12, 2017, 12:03:21 PM9/12/17
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:48:55 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
If one wishes to become a monk...true indeed.
However..sometimes its necessary. As the Lord Buddha has said.
Tsk tsk tsk....you are all over the map...like a green fly on a picnic
table.
of my sect of Buddhism. And now he makes himself the Professed Expert
on how HE wants it spelled. Sorry JohnnyBoi....the world doesnt work
that way..no matter how much you wish it to be.
Cut and paste..indeed. You on the other hand..have provided...nothing
except your own world view. No cites from the learned...just your own
interpretation..and have nothing to back it up.
So Johnnyboi...what makes you think anyone here gives a shit what you
think?
Hummmm?
Laugh laugh laugh laughl laugh laugh laugh laugh!!!
>
>But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
>basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
>opposite reaction.
True indeed. So why do you keep insisting differently?
>But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
>basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
>opposite reaction.
>
>So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
>in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
>a water buffalo.
"Want to kill people"? Buddhists never want to kill people.
>So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
>in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
>a water buffalo.
However..sometimes its necessary. As the Lord Buddha has said.
Tsk tsk tsk....you are all over the map...like a green fly on a picnic
table.
>
>(but come to think of, he is already a worm)
Poor Johnnny....snicker....Ive posted many times the various spellings
>(but come to think of, he is already a worm)
of my sect of Buddhism. And now he makes himself the Professed Expert
on how HE wants it spelled. Sorry JohnnyBoi....the world doesnt work
that way..no matter how much you wish it to be.
Cut and paste..indeed. You on the other hand..have provided...nothing
except your own world view. No cites from the learned...just your own
interpretation..and have nothing to back it up.
So Johnnyboi...what makes you think anyone here gives a shit what you
think?
Hummmm?
Laugh laugh laugh laughl laugh laugh laugh laugh!!!
Gunner Asch
Sep 12, 2017, 12:07:24 PM9/12/17
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that. How about "restored" or "saved" or "invested in" Come on
Johnny Boi..you can certainly do better than that. Here..let me help
you with your lack of vocabulary...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/about_thesaurus.html
If 6 Was 9
Sep 12, 2017, 12:35:22 PM9/12/17
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:07:21 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 08:58:14 -0700, If 6 Was 9 <is...@er.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:13:30 -0700, kick ray-ray
>><ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/11/2017 8:48 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>>> He is a gutless cowardly no load sleazy Bottom with zero soul, morals,
>>>> honor, respectability or brains.
>>>
>>>I am your better in every dimension, Wieber. I don't steal; you do. I
>>>don't beat my wife; you do. I own my own house and pay my mortgage and
>>>taxes on time; you don't own a house and you are in arrears on your rent
>>>and have 30 years of tax liens. I'm gainfully employed; you're not.
>>>I'm educated; you're not. My wife hasn't left me repeatedly to shack up
>>>with someone else; you're many times a cuck. My son is being courted by
>>>prestigious universities; your son is a drug-addled felon.
>>>
>>>I am your better in every dimension, Wieber. Never forget that, you
>>>dumpster-diving dole scrounger.
>>
>>Well sure, but what about the several old free sailboats Wieber is
>>hoarding? Doesn't that somehow make up for all his failures? LOL
>>Plus, he says he at one time had $150 in his Paypal account. Which
>>surely makes him Taft's version of Milburn Drysdale at the very least.
>
>
>"Hording"? ROFLMAO!! Surely you can come up with a better term for
>that. How about "restored" or "saved" or "invested in"
Ok, "invested in." Considering your decades of financial failures,
would you call the free sailboats failed investments, or investments
about to fail, or investments about to pay off... when exactly?
> Come on
>Johnny Boi..
Oh, I'm "Johnny" again. You know where "I" live, right? What's the
delay in killing me then? Surely you're not going to just let me keep
mocking you, are you? LOL
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 08:58:14 -0700, If 6 Was 9 <is...@er.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:13:30 -0700, kick ray-ray
>><ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/11/2017 8:48 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>>> He is a gutless cowardly no load sleazy Bottom with zero soul, morals,
>>>> honor, respectability or brains.
>>>
>>>I am your better in every dimension, Wieber. I don't steal; you do. I
>>>don't beat my wife; you do. I own my own house and pay my mortgage and
>>>taxes on time; you don't own a house and you are in arrears on your rent
>>>and have 30 years of tax liens. I'm gainfully employed; you're not.
>>>I'm educated; you're not. My wife hasn't left me repeatedly to shack up
>>>with someone else; you're many times a cuck. My son is being courted by
>>>prestigious universities; your son is a drug-addled felon.
>>>
>>>I am your better in every dimension, Wieber. Never forget that, you
>>>dumpster-diving dole scrounger.
>>
>>Well sure, but what about the several old free sailboats Wieber is
>>hoarding? Doesn't that somehow make up for all his failures? LOL
>>Plus, he says he at one time had $150 in his Paypal account. Which
>>surely makes him Taft's version of Milburn Drysdale at the very least.
>
>
>"Hording"? ROFLMAO!! Surely you can come up with a better term for
>that. How about "restored" or "saved" or "invested in"
would you call the free sailboats failed investments, or investments
about to fail, or investments about to pay off... when exactly?
> Come on
>Johnny Boi..
Oh, I'm "Johnny" again. You know where "I" live, right? What's the
delay in killing me then? Surely you're not going to just let me keep
mocking you, are you? LOL
kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 12:45:50 PM9/12/17
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On 9/11/2017 9:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:35:59 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
>> <range...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:27:48 PM UTC-4, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>> On 9/11/2017 12:48 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I think that a 5 gallon can filled with diesel fuel and Duzz
>>>>> detergent, with a grenade taped to the side of it..and detonated by
>>>>> pulling the pin with a bit of rope would be even more fun
>>>>
>>>> Not going to happen, Wieber, and you fucking know it.
>>>
>>> Actually, the poor slob probably *doesn't* know it. In all likelihood, he has told these fantastic tales so many times that in his twisted mind, they have become what passes for reality in Wieber-World.
>>>
>>> You really do have to have pity on a guy who's life is so completely fucked up that all he has left are fantasies of doing harm to others. Buddhist my ass. There is not now, nor was there ever a Buddhist sect that promoted or condoned inflicting pain for one's own pleasure. There are, however, plenty of Buddhists who would feel sorrow for Wieber.
>>
>> The Buddhist sect that he claims to belong to believes that the first,
>> and most important, act in attaining Nirvana is to "understand one's
>> self".
>
>
> Rensi Buddhists
You're not one. Cut the shit. It's something you dabbled in years ago
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:35:59 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
>> <range...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:27:48 PM UTC-4, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>> On 9/11/2017 12:48 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I think that a 5 gallon can filled with diesel fuel and Duzz
>>>>> detergent, with a grenade taped to the side of it..and detonated by
>>>>> pulling the pin with a bit of rope would be even more fun
>>>>
>>>> Not going to happen, Wieber, and you fucking know it.
>>>
>>> Actually, the poor slob probably *doesn't* know it. In all likelihood, he has told these fantastic tales so many times that in his twisted mind, they have become what passes for reality in Wieber-World.
>>>
>>> You really do have to have pity on a guy who's life is so completely fucked up that all he has left are fantasies of doing harm to others. Buddhist my ass. There is not now, nor was there ever a Buddhist sect that promoted or condoned inflicting pain for one's own pleasure. There are, however, plenty of Buddhists who would feel sorrow for Wieber.
>>
>> The Buddhist sect that he claims to belong to believes that the first,
>> and most important, act in attaining Nirvana is to "understand one's
>> self".
>
>
> Rensi Buddhists
because you thought it made you appear cool. It didn't. You're a
doctrinaire X-tian who subscribes to the usual monotheistic bullshit.
kick ray-ray
Sep 12, 2017, 12:48:40 PM9/12/17
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he dabbled in years ago to try to impress some drug-addled hippie sow he
wanted to bone.
>
> It is generally described as:
>
> Rinzai Zen is marked by the emphasis it places on kensho ("seeing
> one's true nature") as the gateway to authentic Buddhist practice, and
> for its insistence on many years of exhaustive post-kensho training to
> embody the free functioning of wisdom within the activities of daily
> life.
>
> But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
> basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
> opposite reaction.
>
> So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
> in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
> a water buffalo.
>
> (but come to think of, he is already a worm)
--
<VBG> Cites? indeed $75/hr fascinating "I've not" buffoon "hold that
thought" backhoe "the list" cull 264mph "3/5/8 years street cop"
John B.
Sep 12, 2017, 7:48:59 PM9/12/17
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:03:14 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
No. If one wants to attain nirvana, which in the Buddhist scheme of
things is simply not to be re-born again.
>>
>>But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
>>basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
>>opposite reaction.
>
>True indeed. So why do you keep insisting differently?
>>
>>So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
>>in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
>>a water buffalo.
>
>"Want to kill people"? Buddhists never want to kill people.
>However..sometimes its necessary. As the Lord Buddha has said.
>
That is quite simply a stupid thing to say as Buddhist are simply
people who believe in re-birth and a set of teachings of how to end
the endless cycle of re-birth.
>Tsk tsk tsk....you are all over the map...like a green fly on a picnic
>table.
>>
>>(but come to think of, he is already a worm)
>
>
>Poor Johnnny....snicker....Ive posted many times the various spellings
>of my sect of Buddhism. And now he makes himself the Professed Expert
>on how HE wants it spelled. Sorry JohnnyBoi....the world doesnt work
>that way..no matter how much you wish it to be.
Nope, you posted many times about the "Rensi" sect of Buddhism which
allows you to kill people which is not true. No sect of Buddhism
condones killing but rather than wave their arms and holler and shout
and make you go to Confession like some Christian sects they simply
teach that "you'll pay for your actions".
>Cut and paste..indeed. You on the other hand..have provided...nothing
>except your own world view. No cites from the learned...just your own
>interpretation..and have nothing to back it up.
>
So I should cut and paste page after page of Buddhist doctrine as you
do? All of it to justify a lie as you do?
Why should I bother.
>So Johnnyboi...what makes you think anyone here gives a shit what you
>think?
Why should they "give a shit" what I think? After all it is you that
are telling the lies and getting caught out at it.
Good Lord! You can't even spell the name of the sect that you claim to
adhere to.
--
Cheers,
John B.
things is simply not to be re-born again.
>>
>>But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
>>basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
>>opposite reaction.
>
>True indeed. So why do you keep insisting differently?
>>
>>So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
>>in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
>>a water buffalo.
>
>"Want to kill people"? Buddhists never want to kill people.
>However..sometimes its necessary. As the Lord Buddha has said.
>
people who believe in re-birth and a set of teachings of how to end
the endless cycle of re-birth.
>Tsk tsk tsk....you are all over the map...like a green fly on a picnic
>table.
>>
>>(but come to think of, he is already a worm)
>
>
>Poor Johnnny....snicker....Ive posted many times the various spellings
>of my sect of Buddhism. And now he makes himself the Professed Expert
>on how HE wants it spelled. Sorry JohnnyBoi....the world doesnt work
>that way..no matter how much you wish it to be.
allows you to kill people which is not true. No sect of Buddhism
condones killing but rather than wave their arms and holler and shout
and make you go to Confession like some Christian sects they simply
teach that "you'll pay for your actions".
>Cut and paste..indeed. You on the other hand..have provided...nothing
>except your own world view. No cites from the learned...just your own
>interpretation..and have nothing to back it up.
>
do? All of it to justify a lie as you do?
Why should I bother.
>So Johnnyboi...what makes you think anyone here gives a shit what you
>think?
are telling the lies and getting caught out at it.
Good Lord! You can't even spell the name of the sect that you claim to
adhere to.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Bill Litchfield
Sep 12, 2017, 8:18:52 PM9/12/17
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian/msg/e43f888c326ac288
All bullshit. He isn't Buddhist of any kind, and "Rensai" [sic]
Buddhists do not "get to kill bad people."
Gunner Asch
Sep 12, 2017, 8:39:46 PM9/12/17
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 06:48:54 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
Absolutely false. Its well known that one takes multiple trips on the
Wheel of Life and reaching nirvana means total personal enlightenment,
which does NOT preclude one from living again and again. It only means
one has reached enlightenment.
>
>>>
>>>But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
>>>basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
>>>opposite reaction.
>>
>>True indeed. So why do you keep insisting differently?
>>>
>>>So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
>>>in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
>>>a water buffalo.
>>
>>"Want to kill people"? Buddhists never want to kill people.
>>However..sometimes its necessary. As the Lord Buddha has said.
>>
>That is quite simply a stupid thing to say as Buddhist are simply
>people who believe in re-birth and a set of teachings of how to end
>the endless cycle of re-birth.
Tsk tsk tsk..that is about the most idiotic definition Ive ever seen
you give anything. Didnt take your smart pills today..did you?
>
>
>>Tsk tsk tsk....you are all over the map...like a green fly on a picnic
>>table.
>>>
>>>(but come to think of, he is already a worm)
>>
>>
>>Poor Johnnny....snicker....Ive posted many times the various spellings
>>of my sect of Buddhism. And now he makes himself the Professed Expert
>>on how HE wants it spelled. Sorry JohnnyBoi....the world doesnt work
>>that way..no matter how much you wish it to be.
>
>Nope, you posted many times about the "Rensi" sect of Buddhism which
>allows you to kill people which is not true. No sect of Buddhism
>condones killing but rather than wave their arms and holler and shout
>and make you go to Confession like some Christian sects they simply
>teach that "you'll pay for your actions".
Cites? I know you can do it...snicker. The work that I posted covered
it quite nicely..yet you snipped it away after not reading it. If you
HAD read it...you wouldnt be quite so stupid on that subject. But
you prefer stupidity above all things. Sadly.
be a lie when I provide proof? Poor bastard...you hung yourself once
again.. I do say its funny as hell watching you spasm and your limbs
jerk though.
>
>>So Johnnyboi...what makes you think anyone here gives a shit what you
>>think?
>
>Why should they "give a shit" what I think? After all it is you that
>are telling the lies and getting caught out at it.
>
>Good Lord! You can't even spell the name of the sect that you claim to
>adhere to.
Do a Google on all the spellings you wish. You will find it spelled
both ways. But typical of you...you are anal and stupid.
(VBG)
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh!!
Wheel of Life and reaching nirvana means total personal enlightenment,
which does NOT preclude one from living again and again. It only means
one has reached enlightenment.
>
>>>
>>>But in general Buddhism doesn't forbid things it simply teaches the
>>>basic physics rule that for every action there is an equal and
>>>opposite reaction.
>>
>>True indeed. So why do you keep insisting differently?
>>>
>>>So if you want to kill people, why go ahead and do it. But of course
>>>in your next life you will probably be re-born a worm in the belly of
>>>a water buffalo.
>>
>>"Want to kill people"? Buddhists never want to kill people.
>>However..sometimes its necessary. As the Lord Buddha has said.
>>
>That is quite simply a stupid thing to say as Buddhist are simply
>people who believe in re-birth and a set of teachings of how to end
>the endless cycle of re-birth.
you give anything. Didnt take your smart pills today..did you?
>
>
>>Tsk tsk tsk....you are all over the map...like a green fly on a picnic
>>table.
>>>
>>>(but come to think of, he is already a worm)
>>
>>
>>Poor Johnnny....snicker....Ive posted many times the various spellings
>>of my sect of Buddhism. And now he makes himself the Professed Expert
>>on how HE wants it spelled. Sorry JohnnyBoi....the world doesnt work
>>that way..no matter how much you wish it to be.
>
>Nope, you posted many times about the "Rensi" sect of Buddhism which
>allows you to kill people which is not true. No sect of Buddhism
>condones killing but rather than wave their arms and holler and shout
>and make you go to Confession like some Christian sects they simply
>teach that "you'll pay for your actions".
it quite nicely..yet you snipped it away after not reading it. If you
HAD read it...you wouldnt be quite so stupid on that subject. But
you prefer stupidity above all things. Sadly.
>
>
>>Cut and paste..indeed. You on the other hand..have provided...nothing
>>except your own world view. No cites from the learned...just your own
>>interpretation..and have nothing to back it up.
>>
>
>So I should cut and paste page after page of Buddhist doctrine as you
>do? All of it to justify a lie as you do?
>
>Why should I bother.
Page after page of Buddhist Doctrine to justify a lie? How could it
>
>>Cut and paste..indeed. You on the other hand..have provided...nothing
>>except your own world view. No cites from the learned...just your own
>>interpretation..and have nothing to back it up.
>>
>
>So I should cut and paste page after page of Buddhist doctrine as you
>do? All of it to justify a lie as you do?
>
>Why should I bother.
be a lie when I provide proof? Poor bastard...you hung yourself once
again.. I do say its funny as hell watching you spasm and your limbs
jerk though.
>
>>So Johnnyboi...what makes you think anyone here gives a shit what you
>>think?
>
>Why should they "give a shit" what I think? After all it is you that
>are telling the lies and getting caught out at it.
>
>Good Lord! You can't even spell the name of the sect that you claim to
>adhere to.
both ways. But typical of you...you are anal and stupid.
(VBG)
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh!!
Dwane Halstead
Sep 12, 2017, 11:00:03 PM9/12/17
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Buddhism seriously. You don't know your ass from your face.
Scout
Sep 13, 2017, 2:08:51 AM9/13/17
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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
kick ray-ray
Sep 13, 2017, 2:24:34 AM9/13/17
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John B.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:24:33 AM9/13/17
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:39:43 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
Gee, you are really an ignorant individual, aren't you.
Nirvana:
(Sanskrit, also nirvana; Pali: nibbana, ) is the earliest and most
common term used to describe the goal of the Buddhist path. The
literal meaning is "blowing out" or "quenching." It is the ultimate
spiritual goal in Buddhism and marks the soteriological release from
rebirths in samsara.
Samsara:
Samsara (Sanskrit, Pali; also samsara) in Buddhism is the
beginning-less cycle of repeated birth, mundane existence and dying
again. Samsara is considered to be dukkha, unsatisfactory and painful.
Dukkha:
Dukkha (Pali; Sanskrit: dukha) is an important Buddhist concept,
commonly translated as "suffering", "pain" or "unsatisfactoriness"
Would you care to post another hundred lines to add to our
understanding of your truly phenomenal ignorance?
--
Cheers,
John B.
Nirvana:
(Sanskrit, also nirvana; Pali: nibbana, ) is the earliest and most
common term used to describe the goal of the Buddhist path. The
literal meaning is "blowing out" or "quenching." It is the ultimate
spiritual goal in Buddhism and marks the soteriological release from
rebirths in samsara.
Samsara:
Samsara (Sanskrit, Pali; also samsara) in Buddhism is the
beginning-less cycle of repeated birth, mundane existence and dying
again. Samsara is considered to be dukkha, unsatisfactory and painful.
Dukkha:
Dukkha (Pali; Sanskrit: dukha) is an important Buddhist concept,
commonly translated as "suffering", "pain" or "unsatisfactoriness"
Would you care to post another hundred lines to add to our
understanding of your truly phenomenal ignorance?
--
Cheers,
John B.
Gunner Asch
Sep 13, 2017, 3:43:13 AM9/13/17
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Kooky sugarplums and big dicks up his bum.
Gunner Asch
Sep 13, 2017, 3:54:07 AM9/13/17
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:24:27 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
Of course it is. However one can be reborn over and over and over
again after reaching Nirvana. If one desires
Interesting how you can do a quick google on Buddhism..yet actually
understand so little. Cutting and pasting half understood quotes from
unknown sources is exactly what you have accused me of over and over
again...even though I give the cites and sources. You..snicker....did
neither
But then..thats all you have...ignorance and cut and past..JohnnyBoi
Your Thicket of Views...is all poison ivy....laugh laugh laugh laugh
laugh laugh laugh!!
https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/1963/where-does-a-person-go-after-attaining-nirvana
Oh..Id strongly suggest you do a quick google on who and what a
Bodhisattva is.....
Your ignorance...knows no bounds in time and space.
again after reaching Nirvana. If one desires
>
>Samsara:
>Samsara (Sanskrit, Pali; also samsara) in Buddhism is the
>beginning-less cycle of repeated birth, mundane existence and dying
>again. Samsara is considered to be dukkha, unsatisfactory and painful.
Indeed.
>Samsara:
>Samsara (Sanskrit, Pali; also samsara) in Buddhism is the
>beginning-less cycle of repeated birth, mundane existence and dying
>again. Samsara is considered to be dukkha, unsatisfactory and painful.
>
>Dukkha:
>Dukkha (Pali; Sanskrit: dukha) is an important Buddhist concept,
>commonly translated as "suffering", "pain" or "unsatisfactoriness"
>
>Would you care to post another hundred lines to add to our
>understanding of your truly phenomenal ignorance?
Looks like you are beating me to the top of the ignorance heap.
>Dukkha:
>Dukkha (Pali; Sanskrit: dukha) is an important Buddhist concept,
>commonly translated as "suffering", "pain" or "unsatisfactoriness"
>
>Would you care to post another hundred lines to add to our
>understanding of your truly phenomenal ignorance?
Interesting how you can do a quick google on Buddhism..yet actually
understand so little. Cutting and pasting half understood quotes from
unknown sources is exactly what you have accused me of over and over
again...even though I give the cites and sources. You..snicker....did
neither
But then..thats all you have...ignorance and cut and past..JohnnyBoi
Your Thicket of Views...is all poison ivy....laugh laugh laugh laugh
laugh laugh laugh!!
https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/1963/where-does-a-person-go-after-attaining-nirvana
Oh..Id strongly suggest you do a quick google on who and what a
Bodhisattva is.....
Your ignorance...knows no bounds in time and space.
John B.
Sep 13, 2017, 5:09:38 AM9/13/17
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:53:58 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
Well, given that I live in a country where the overwhelming percent of
the population is Buddhist (some 93%), and that my wife is Buddhist
and that every male in the extended family past the age of puberty has
entered the religion as a Monk and that I have had extended
discussions with the Abbots of a number of Wats', and although I,
myself, have never been shaved a monk, I believe that even without
cutting and pasting from the Internet I probably? No, certainly, know
a while lot more about the Religion then you do. At least I can spell
the name of the sect that I believe is the true one, the Theravada
school, which is based on the Buddha's actual teachings, rather than
some wacky Chinaman who arrived on the scene 1300 years after the
Buddha attained enlightenment.
>https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/1963/where-does-a-person-go-after-attaining-nirvana
>
>Oh..Id strongly suggest you do a quick google on who and what a
>Bodhisattva is.....
>
Of course I know. A Bodhisattva is the Sanskrit term for anyone who,
motivated by great compassion, has generated Bodhicitta, which is a
spontaneous wish and a compassionate mind to attain Buddhahood for the
benefit of all sentient beings.
The Buddha himself was a Bodhisattva and Quan Yin, who is honored as a
Bodhisattva by the Mahayana Buddhists, foreigners refer to her as "The
Goddess of Mercy", and of course many more.
By bring up the subject I can only assume that you have claiming that
you have reached perfection and have attained Buddhahood for all
mankind.
But don't stop. Keep up your meandering through the subject as it
provides my wife with considerable amusement. I read her your posts on
the subject and she laughs and says "Stupid Foreigner".
--
Cheers,
John B.
the population is Buddhist (some 93%), and that my wife is Buddhist
and that every male in the extended family past the age of puberty has
entered the religion as a Monk and that I have had extended
discussions with the Abbots of a number of Wats', and although I,
myself, have never been shaved a monk, I believe that even without
cutting and pasting from the Internet I probably? No, certainly, know
a while lot more about the Religion then you do. At least I can spell
the name of the sect that I believe is the true one, the Theravada
school, which is based on the Buddha's actual teachings, rather than
some wacky Chinaman who arrived on the scene 1300 years after the
Buddha attained enlightenment.
>https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/1963/where-does-a-person-go-after-attaining-nirvana
>
>Oh..Id strongly suggest you do a quick google on who and what a
>Bodhisattva is.....
>
motivated by great compassion, has generated Bodhicitta, which is a
spontaneous wish and a compassionate mind to attain Buddhahood for the
benefit of all sentient beings.
The Buddha himself was a Bodhisattva and Quan Yin, who is honored as a
Bodhisattva by the Mahayana Buddhists, foreigners refer to her as "The
Goddess of Mercy", and of course many more.
By bring up the subject I can only assume that you have claiming that
you have reached perfection and have attained Buddhahood for all
mankind.
But don't stop. Keep up your meandering through the subject as it
provides my wife with considerable amusement. I read her your posts on
the subject and she laughs and says "Stupid Foreigner".
--
Cheers,
John B.
Bill Litchfield
Sep 13, 2017, 10:53:51 AM9/13/17
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dabbler - the X-tian dabbler poseur - to acknowledge that you know what
you're talking about and he doesn't. He's a bullshitter, that's all,
and they never give up.
Gunner Asch
Sep 13, 2017, 12:20:43 PM9/13/17
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:09:32 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
So you suddenly realized you shit in your messkit (again) and forgot
about those that reached Bodhisativa and remained to help all others
attain Nirvana. You clearly stated that once you reach
enlightenment..you are done from the Wheel and have no contact with us
poor seekers. You further twisted off and claimed that Im saying Ive
reached enlightenment..yada yada.. completely out of the blue...and in
doing so...showed what an evil little shit you are. Lying so clearly
and so publicly....thats gonna drop you down to being a dung beetle
again...given you do it so often.
evil. We cant forget evil.
Spit out the ghat wad and learn to read and stop tripping over your
buffoonery
Gunner
about those that reached Bodhisativa and remained to help all others
attain Nirvana. You clearly stated that once you reach
enlightenment..you are done from the Wheel and have no contact with us
poor seekers. You further twisted off and claimed that Im saying Ive
reached enlightenment..yada yada.. completely out of the blue...and in
doing so...showed what an evil little shit you are. Lying so clearly
and so publicly....thats gonna drop you down to being a dung beetle
again...given you do it so often.
>
>But don't stop. Keep up your meandering through the subject as it
>provides my wife with considerable amusement. I read her your posts on
>the subject and she laughs and says "Stupid Foreigner".
Stupid woman for marrying someone as pathetically ignorant as you. And
>But don't stop. Keep up your meandering through the subject as it
>provides my wife with considerable amusement. I read her your posts on
>the subject and she laughs and says "Stupid Foreigner".
evil. We cant forget evil.
Spit out the ghat wad and learn to read and stop tripping over your
buffoonery
Gunner
rangerssuck
Sep 13, 2017, 5:35:17 PM9/13/17
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On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 5:09:38 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> But don't stop. Keep up your meandering through the subject as it
> provides my wife with considerable amusement. I read her your posts on
> the subject and she laughs and says "Stupid Foreigner".
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.
I read some of his posts to my friend Khenpo Pema. His response was "Just ignore him." He didn't laugh because the likes of Wieber do damage to the world every time they speak.
> But don't stop. Keep up your meandering through the subject as it
> provides my wife with considerable amusement. I read her your posts on
> the subject and she laughs and says "Stupid Foreigner".
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.
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