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Lance Roten

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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As someone who follows Nascar more than F1, why isn't michael Schumacher
in the international race of champions? Schedule conflict or something?

Dallas D.

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Lance Roten <lan...@mauimail.com> pounded the following on the
keyboard:

>As someone who follows Nascar more than F1, why isn't michael Schumacher
>in the international race of champions? Schedule conflict or something?

It probably has something to do with the fact that he isn't the
champion of anything at the moment.

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Douglas & Deanna Faulkner

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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I don't think you would get an F1 driver on the same track with a NASCAR
driver. Most of F1 appears to have an greater than thow attitude, which I
don't understand because how can you claim to have the best racers in the
world when there is hardley any racing. Also IROC favors NASCAR drivers.
It would be nice if there was alittle more INTERNATIONAL in the IROC series.
I am a big CART fan and I am dissapointed that more CART drivers don't
participate in IROC.

Lance Roten wrote in message <35B4B5...@mauimail.com>...

David Betts

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Lance Roten asked:

>As someone who follows Nascar more than F1, why isn't michael Schumacher
>in the international race of champions?

Because it's an irrelevance. Just a TV show. It proves nothing. Mind you,
Martin Brundle did take part a few years ago and was giving the NASCAR guys
a hard time despite having no oval experience. Needless to say, they ganged
up to put him in the wall in the final.

David Betts
'When the flag drops, the bullshit stops'

Juan Tortilla

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Douglas & Deanna Faulkner wrote in message
<6p2anr$s...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>I don't think you would get an F1 driver on the same track with a NASCAR
>driver. Most of F1 appears to have an greater than thow attitude, which I
>don't understand because how can you claim to have the best racers in the
>world when there is hardley any racing.

Define racing....

Looks to me like there is a fundamental difference between stock car/iroc
and champ car/f1.... closed wheel vs. open wheel. Driving tactics are
fundamentally different.

Let me take a crack at defining racing in the two environments: stock car
drivers resort to a "demolishion derby" driving style where as F1 drivers
rely on pure driving skill (of course, this is purely an F1-nuts
perspective) 8^)

>Also IROC favors NASCAR drivers.


How about a compromise: put all the drivers (NASCAR/CHAMP/F1/IMSA) in rally
cars at Laguna Seca.

>It would be nice if there was alittle more INTERNATIONAL in the IROC
series.
>I am a big CART fan and I am dissapointed that more CART drivers don't
>participate in IROC.
>
>Lance Roten wrote in message <35B4B5...@mauimail.com>...

>>As someone who follows Nascar more than F1, why isn't michael Schumacher

>>in the international race of champions? Schedule conflict or something?
>
>

Darrell Roark

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Juan Tortilla wrote:
>
> Douglas & Deanna Faulkner wrote in message
> <6p2anr$s...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> > I like the rally car idea. Some ppv honcho should Get Schumacher, Earnhardt, J.Gordon, Unser Jr, Andretti, the red hot Zanardi and a few
others together, put up a huge purse, and may the best man win. It
wouldn't prove who the best driver(or drivers) is, but it would be a
little different. And entertaining.

Douglas & Deanna Faulkner

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Juan that is a wonderful idea.

Juan Tortilla

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Douglas, Deanna, and Darrell,

O.K.... since your on board with the idea, we need a business plan. The
event shouldn't be a problem if it is scheduled during the off-season.
Let's make it a charity.... that will yank some chains. Any ideas for
financial backing?


Darrell Roark wrote in message <35B51E...@infoave.com>...


>Juan Tortilla wrote:
>>
>> Douglas & Deanna Faulkner wrote in message
>> <6p2anr$s...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>> > I like the rally car idea. Some ppv honcho should Get Schumacher,
Earnhardt, J.Gordon, Unser Jr, Andretti, the red hot Zanardi and a few
>others together, put up a huge purse, and may the best man win. It
>wouldn't prove who the best driver(or drivers) is, but it would be a
>little different. And entertaining.
>
>I don't think you would get an F1 driver on the same track with a NASCAR
>> >driver. Most of F1 appears to have an greater than thow attitude, which
I
>> >don't understand because how can you claim to have the best racers in
the
>> >world when there is hardley any racing.
>>
>> Define racing....
>>
>> Looks to me like there is a fundamental difference between stock car/iroc
>> and champ car/f1.... closed wheel vs. open wheel. Driving tactics are
>> fundamentally different.
>>
>> Let me take a crack at defining racing in the two environments: stock
car
>> drivers resort to a "demolishion derby" driving style where as F1 drivers
>> rely on pure driving skill (of course, this is purely an F1-nuts
>> perspective) 8^)
>>
>> >Also IROC favors NASCAR drivers.
>>

>> How about a compromise: put all the drivers (NASCAR/CHAMP/F1/IMSA) in
rally
>> cars at Laguna Seca.
>>

Darrell Roark

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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have a co sponser deal between FedEx and Winston. Or have racing money
bags Earnhardt and Schumacher put up the dough :) As for a charity, any
would do. Maybe EA Sports should consider this for a video game....

Damon Scott Hynes

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Enzo told Lauda no a million years ago, I imagine Marlboro is telling MS
the same thing.
And who gives a rat's about it anyhow? It ought to be the NADPOCAMN,
the North American Drafting Procession Of Champions and Marquee Names.
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Jan Olderdissen

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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Lance Roten <lan...@mauimail.com> wrote:

>As someone who follows Nascar more than F1, why isn't michael Schumacher
>in the international race of champions?

Well, keep in mind that when US promoters say "international" or
"world" they usually mean "north american" or even "multi-state".
Examples:

"world series"
"international house of pancakes"
"international race of champions"

Jan
j...@olderdissen.f1.com (remove name of popular race series)

Douglas & Deanna Faulkner

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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Juan can you give me till next April to come up with the money? If I have
any left after taxes I'll see if my wife will let invest it on this.

Doug

PS Deanna can't stand auto racing.

Juan Tortilla wrote in message <6p2uf3$i3$1...@supernews.com>...


>Douglas, Deanna, and Darrell,
>
>O.K.... since your on board with the idea, we need a business plan. The
>event shouldn't be a problem if it is scheduled during the off-season.
>Let's make it a charity.... that will yank some chains. Any ideas for
>financial backing?
>
>
>Darrell Roark wrote in message <35B51E...@infoave.com>...

>>> >>As someone who follows Nascar more than F1, why isn't michael
>Schumacher

>>> >>in the international race of champions? Schedule conflict or
something?
>>> >
>>> >
>
>

Dillon Pyron

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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In article <35B4B5...@mauimail.com>, Lance Roten <lan...@mauimail.com> writes:
> As someone who follows Nascar more than F1, why isn't michael Schumacher
> in the international race of champions? Schedule conflict or something?

He's never been "invited".

IROC is mostly a NASCAR demonstration of their "superior" driving ability over a
few other series. If it included road racing, and some open wheel stuff, I'd be
a little more generous with my "praise".

--
dillon pyron
dillon...@amd.com
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and nobody noticed the anniversary.

Doug Farrow

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Jul 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/23/98
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In article <6p56um$c1f$1...@amdint2.amd.com>,

py...@amd.com (Dillon Pyron) wrote:
>> As someone who follows Nascar more than F1, why isn't michael Schumacher
>> in the international race of champions? Schedule conflict or something?
>
>He's never been "invited".
>
>IROC is mostly a NASCAR demonstration of their "superior" driving ability over a
>few other series. If it included road racing, and some open wheel stuff, I'd
>be a little more generous with my "praise".

It used to include road racing (I spotted for CBS at the 84 or 85 race at
Mid-Ohio) and in the early years even had serious international
representation. Martin Brundle ran one year and earned the nickname Billy
Bob Brundle for his quick uptake on the oval/drafting stuff.

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Minneapolis MN USA
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Martin Nisshagen

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Jul 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/23/98
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Juan Tortilla [http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions
Start Here] wrote:

> Let me take a crack at defining racing in the two environments: stock car
> drivers resort to a "demolishion derby" driving style where as F1 drivers
> rely on pure driving skill (of course, this is purely an F1-nuts
> perspective) 8^)

Well, most of them at least. Some F1 drivers also try the former tactics if
the later one fails. ;)

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

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