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Danny Moses

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Sep 8, 1994, 5:38:06 PM9/8/94
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1. "Home Improvement" (ABC)........................................... 18.2
2. "Grace Under Fire" (ABC)........................................... 17.5
3. "Seinfeld" (NBC)................................................... 16.5
4. "Roseanne" (ABC)................................................... 14.8
5. "Frasier - Thursday" (NBC)......................................... 13.7
6. "Frasier 2 - Monday" (NBC)......................................... 13.5
7. "Ellen" (ABC)...................................................... 13.4
8. "Sister, Sister" (ABC)............................................. 13.0
9. "60 Minutes" (CBS)................................................. 12.9
10. "Mad About You 1 - Monday" (NBC)................................... 12.6
11. "Full House" (ABC)................................................. 12.2
12. "Frasier 1 - Monday" (NBC)......................................... 12.0
13. "Overkill" -- CBS Tuesday Movie.................................... 11.9
14. "Mad About You 2 - Monday" (NBC)................................... 11.6
15. "Murphy Brown" (CBS)............................................... 11.5
16. "20-20" (ABC)...................................................... 11.4
17. "Unsolved Mysteries" (NBC)......................................... 11.3
18. "Murder, She Wrote" (CBS).......................................... 11.2
19. "Mad About You - Thursday" (NBC)................................... 11.1
20. "Dateline NBC - Thursday" (NBC).................................... 11.0
21. "Dave's World" (CBS)............................................... 10.9
21. "Dateline NBC - Tuesday" (NBC)..................................... 10.9
21. "Eye to Eye with Connie Chung" (CBS)............................... 10.9
24. "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air 2" (NBC).............................. 10.8
24. "Running Delilah" -- ABC Monday Movie.............................. 10.8
24. "Turning Point" (ABC).............................................. 10.8
27. "Kindergarten Cop" -- NBC Friday Movie............................. 10.7
28. "The Nanny - Monday" (CBS)......................................... 10.5
29. "Now with Brokaw and Couric" (NBC)................................. 10.1
29. "48 Hours" (CBS)................................................... 10.1
31. "Rescue 911" (CBS)................................................. 10.0
32. "Step by Step" (ABC)............................................... 09.8
32. "Hangin' with Mr. Cooper" (ABC).................................... 09.8
34. "PrimeTime Live" (ABC)............................................. 09.7
35. "Living Single" (FOX).............................................. 09.6
36. "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air 1" (NBC).............................. 09.5
36. "Phenom" (ABC)..................................................... 09.5
36. "Law & Order" (NBC)................................................ 09.5
36. "Family Matters" (ABC)............................................. 09.5
36. "Back to the Future III" -- NBC Saturday Movie..................... 09.5
36. "Married...with Children" (FOX).................................... 09.5
42. "Coach 2" (ABC).................................................... 09.3
43. "Northern Exposure" (CBS).......................................... 09.2
43. "One West Waikiki" (CBS)........................................... 09.2
45. "Thunder Alley" (ABC).............................................. 09.0
45. "Boy Meets World" (ABC)............................................ 09.0
47. "Love & War" (CBS)................................................. 08.9
47. "The Simpsons" (FOX)............................................... 08.9
49. "Confessions: Two Faces of Evil" -- NBC Sunday Movie............... 08.6
50. "Mission of the Shark" -- CBS Sunday Movie......................... 08.5
51. "Coach 1" (ABC).................................................... 08.4
51. "Martin" (FOX)..................................................... 08.4
53. "Wings - Tuesday" (NBC)............................................ 08.1
53. "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman" (CBS).................................. 08.1
55. "The Nanny - Wednesday" (CBS)...................................... 08.0
55. (X)"Country Music Hall of Fame" (CBS).............................. 08.0
57. "Diagnosis Murder" (CBS)........................................... 07.9
57. "Look Who's Talking Too" -- ABC Sunday Movie....................... 07.9
59. "Hotel Malibu" (CBS)............................................... 07.8
60. "She TV" (ABC)..................................................... 07.6
60. "Eyes of a Witness" -- CBS Friday Movie............................ 07.6
62. "Hardball" (FOX)................................................... 07.4
63. "The John Larroquette Show" (NBC).................................. 07.1
64. "Cops 2" (FOX)..................................................... 06.8
65. "TV Nation" (NBC).................................................. 06.7
66. "America's Most Wanted" (FOX)...................................... 06.6
66. "Beverly Hills, 90210" (FOX)....................................... 06.6
66. (X)"ABC College Football" (ABC).................................... 06.6
69. "America's Funniest Home Videos" (ABC)............................. 06.5
69. "Wild Oats" (FOX).................................................. 06.5
71. "Muddling Through" (CBS)........................................... 06.4
71. "M.A.N.T.I.S. - Thursday" (FOX).................................... 06.4
73. "Police Academy 6" -- NBC Sunday Movie............................. 06.2
74. "Wings - Friday" (NBC)............................................. 06.1
75. "M.A.N.T.I.S. - Friday" (FOX)...................................... 06.0
76. "My So-Called Life" (ABC).......................................... 05.9
76. "Cops" (FOX)....................................................... 05.9
78. (X)"NFL All-Access" (FOX).......................................... 05.7
78. "Lois & Clark" (ABC)............................................... 05.7
78. "DuckTales" -- ABC Sunday Movie.................................... 05.7
81. "Christy" (CBS).................................................... 05.5
81. "Fortune Hunter" (FOX)............................................. 05.5
83. "The X-Files" (FOX)................................................ 05.3
84. "The Mommies" (NBC)................................................ 05.0
85. "South Central" (FOX).............................................. 04.9
86. "Tales from the Crypt 1" (FOX)..................................... 04.8
87. "Tales from the Crypt 2" (FOX)..................................... 04.7
88. "Roc" (FOX)........................................................ 04.2
89. (X)"NFL '94 Preview" (FOX)......................................... 02.9


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Danny in Yorktown, VA
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R S Rodgers

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Sep 8, 1994, 6:34:37 PM9/8/94
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In article <34o07u$d...@lucy.infi.net>, Danny Moses <nit...@infi.net> wrote:
>74. "Wings - Friday" (NBC)............................................. 06.1
>75. "M.A.N.T.I.S. - Friday" (FOX)...................................... 06.0
>76. "My So-Called Life" (ABC).......................................... 05.9

HAhahahahahahah.

Scored below MANTIS and *Wings*?


Ian J. Ball

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Sep 9, 1994, 11:58:30 AM9/9/94
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In article <34o3ht$6...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, rsro...@wam.umd.edu (R S
Rodgers) wrote:

MSCL lost 32% of its ratings between the premiere and the 2nd show. As I
said, the show is too dark to be called entertaining by the vast majority
of the TV public. ABC should never have ordered 9 more episodes before the
ratings for the 2nd episode were in.

MSCL should be gone in no more than 6 weeks.
--
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i...@argon.chem.ucla.edu

R S Rodgers

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Sep 9, 1994, 3:44:46 PM9/9/94
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In article <IJBall-0909940903030001@mac_rbk_3.chem.ucla.edu>,

It's good, cheery news like this that restores my faith that the typical
American television watcher is not a gullible, sappy sucker that sits back
just waiting for the incompetent, shallow productions of the self-appointed
"serious thought" segment of producers.

Ian J. Ball

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Sep 9, 1994, 6:28:48 PM9/9/94
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In article <34qdve$g...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, rsro...@wam.umd.edu (R S
Rodgers) wrote:

Well, I don't know that I'd go *that* far... ;>

But I do agree that out of all of the "teens" shows that have been done,
this one only ranks barely ahead of BH, 90210 and well behind Parker
Lewis, Byrds of Paradise, et al.
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i...@argon.chem.ucla.edu

Don Weinman

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Sep 10, 1994, 2:58:00 AM9/10/94
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In a previous episode R S RODGERS posted:

>74. "Wings - Friday" (NBC)............................................. 06.1
>75. "M.A.N.T.I.S. - Friday" (FOX)...................................... 06.0
>76. "My So-Called Life" (ABC).......................................... 05.9

RR> HAhahahahahahah. Scored below MANTIS and *Wings*?

It's fading fast. Too bad, it is one of the better written,
directed, and acted shows. It would certainly do better in a better
time slot, but I fear it is doomed.

From don.w...@bcsbbs.com at 06:10 on 09/10/94
* RM 1.3 00228 * Slut: Someone who likes having sex, but not with you.

R S Rodgers

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Sep 10, 1994, 7:03:03 PM9/10/94
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In article <14363.6...@bcsbbs.com>,

Don Weinman <don.w...@bcsbbs.com> wrote:
>In a previous episode R S RODGERS posted:
>>74. "Wings - Friday" (NBC)............................................. 06.1
>>75. "M.A.N.T.I.S. - Friday" (FOX)...................................... 06.0
>>76. "My So-Called Life" (ABC).......................................... 05.9
>
>RR> HAhahahahahahah. Scored below MANTIS and *Wings*?
>
>It's fading fast. Too bad, it is one of the better

Dan, is this a lesson in sarcasm?

>written,
>directed,
>and acted shows.

Or are we watching two different shows? The show I'm seeing has nice
scenery (realistic HS scenes) but poor scripting, boneheaded acting,
and trite, boring storylines that even Blossom has already done. Dreck.

What show were you watching?

Jason A. Miller

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Sep 11, 1994, 11:55:00 AM9/11/94
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In article <34qdve$g...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, rsro...@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes...

>It's good, cheery news like this that restores my faith that the typical
>American television watcher is not a gullible, sappy sucker that sits back
>just waiting for the incompetent, shallow productions of the self-appointed
>"serious thought" segment of producers.

Yes, you should be very heartened by the fact that the one TV
show in history not to employ a single stereotype in its portrayal of
teenagers can't outdraw *WINGS*, the one TV show in history which has
last 5 years without A) any fan following of any kind, B) any famous
or memorable episodes, C) any main characters who people have even heard
of, and D) airs 4 times a day on the USA network ...

-Jason A. Miller
"some doctor guy"

Robert

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Sep 12, 1994, 1:10:55 AM9/12/94
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R S Rodgers (rsro...@wam.umd.edu) wrote:
: In article <14363.6...@bcsbbs.com>,
: >It's fading fast. Too bad, it is one of the better

: Dan, is this a lesson in sarcasm?

: >written,
: >directed,
: >and acted shows.

: Or are we watching two different shows? The show I'm seeing has nice
: scenery (realistic HS scenes) but poor scripting, boneheaded acting,
: and trite, boring storylines that even Blossom has already done. Dreck.

: What show were you watching?

Give it up already, you don't like it, alot of people do (ALL the reviews
I've read went on and on about how great is, particularly the writing and
acting) Just because you can't relate doesn't mean there is anything wrong
with the show.

--robert

Ray Li

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Sep 12, 1994, 9:21:48 AM9/12/94
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Jason A. Miller (doc...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote:
: In article <34qdve$g...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, rsro...@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes...

Hey, "Wings" will probably never win any critical awards, but is that the
only way you can defend "My So Called Life", by flaming another show?

--
Ray Li
r...@crl.com

John F Carr

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Sep 12, 1994, 5:03:41 PM9/12/94
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In article <11SEP199...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>,

Jason A. Miller <doc...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:

> Yes, you should be very heartened by the fact that the one TV
>show in history not to employ a single stereotype in its portrayal of
>teenagers can't outdraw *WINGS*, the one TV show in history which has
>last 5 years without A) any fan following of any kind, B) any famous
>or memorable episodes, C) any main characters who people have even heard
>of, and D) airs 4 times a day on the USA network ...

I don't know how you measure fan following, but Wings has been moderately
popular since its first episode. The regularly scheduled episodes are
nearly always in the top half of TV shows and usually in the top 30.
People don't talk about it much here, but as with most sitcoms there
isn't much to say.

I also don't know what it takes for an episode to become famous, but there
are some I consider memorable. Wings doesn't do "very special" episodes
(network-speak for a serious episode of a comedy which the critics are
supposed to love) and they can show an extreme lack of subtlety in their
humor at times so maybe they won't win many awards but I've found it
worth a half hour of my time per week for the past few years.

I guess it shows that a good show can succeed with a cast of unknowns.


--
John Carr (j...@mit.edu)

Jason A. Miller

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Sep 13, 1994, 10:30:00 AM9/13/94
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In article <351klc$r...@nntp.crl.com>, r...@crl.com (Ray Li) writes...

>Hey, "Wings" will probably never win any critical awards, but is that the
>only way you can defend "My So Called Life", by flaming another show?

Well, R.S.Rodgers or whoever I was responding to, claimed to
be cheered by the fact that WINGS was outdrawing MSCL. I responded by
saying it's not a good thing when a striking new show can't get past
a middle-of-the-pack sitcom that, frankly, is hard to believe it's lasted
as long as it has (6 years).
The criticism of Wings was essential to my point. Had it been
Step by Step in that spot, I would have criticized that instead.

R S Rodgers

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Sep 13, 1994, 10:46:07 AM9/13/94
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In article <13SEP199...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>,

Jason A. Miller <doc...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
>In article <351klc$r...@nntp.crl.com>, r...@crl.com (Ray Li) writes...
>>Hey, "Wings" will probably never win any critical awards, but is that the
>>only way you can defend "My So Called Life", by flaming another show?
>
> Well, R.S.Rodgers or whoever I was responding to, claimed to
>be cheered by the fact that WINGS was outdrawing MSCL.

Indeed, and I am. WINGS is pathetic, stupid, and dull, but at least it
isn't pandering to the sappy, pompous, self-aggrandizing side of humanity
the way the nauseatingly overrated MSCL seems to. MSCL is the polar opposite
of the sickeningly sacchiride shows that the self-appointed "cultured" types
deride, but it's just the same nonsense packaged in a new, trendy "down/dark"
way. Garbage, garbage, garbage.

Wings is honest, unpretentious, and I can't stand it. But that's two
out of three. MSCL strikes out completely. Are there *any* good points
to the show? The realistic portrayal of HS whiners isn't it -- it's not any
more realistic (that wimp standing up to the cops and principal? Can you say
"out of character"?) than Blossom or other crap shows, and it has all of the
depth of Full House. The inadequate scripting isn't it. The mediocre
camerawork isn't it. What do you see in this show that's *good*?

>I responded by
>saying it's not a good thing when a striking new show can't get past
>a middle-of-the-pack sitcom that, frankly, is hard to believe it's lasted
>as long as it has (6 years).
> The criticism of Wings was essential to my point. Had it been
>Step by Step in that spot, I would have criticized that instead.

But to have scored even below Wings, a poorly rated half-rate show, is
quite telling.

John Winder Taber

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Sep 13, 1994, 1:20:31 PM9/13/94
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In article <14363.6...@bcsbbs.com> don.w...@bcsbbs.com (Don Weinman) writes:
>From: don.w...@bcsbbs.com (Don Weinman)
>Subject: Nielsens for week ending
>Date: 10 Sep 94 06:58:00 GMT

>In a previous episode R S RODGERS posted:

>>74. "Wings - Friday" (NBC)............................................. 06.1
>>75. "M.A.N.T.I.S. - Friday" (FOX)...................................... 06.0
>>76. "My So-Called Life" (ABC).......................................... 05.9

Amazing... Wings won, at a "special" time.

Sean Eric Fagan

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Sep 13, 1994, 1:04:54 PM9/13/94
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In article <354dvf$m...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>,

R S Rodgers <rsro...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>MSCL strikes out completely. Are there *any* good points
>to the show? The realistic portrayal of HS whiners isn't it -- it's not any
>more realistic (that wimp standing up to the cops and principal? Can you say
>"out of character"?)

Well, gosh.

I was talking with a friend of mine the other night, and the topic of MSCL
came up, and she said that one of the reasons she liked it was because it
was so close to her high school experience.

We've had a couple of other people here say that it was close to dead-on
right, in at least some aspects.

I don't know anyone who, after three episodes of "Blossom," said it was
anywhere near close to realistic. (Later parts of it were, yes. But not by
the first three episodes.)

I like MSCL. I'll keep watching it. It will, probably, get better -- most
shows have some problems (sometimes quite a few problems) for the first few
episodes. If it doesn't get better, I may stop watching it. Or I may not.

Matt Ackeret

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Sep 13, 1994, 2:46:57 PM9/13/94
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In article <34qdve$g...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>,

R S Rodgers <rsro...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>It's good, cheery news like this that restores my faith that the typical
>American television watcher is not a gullible, sappy sucker that sits back
>just waiting for the incompetent, shallow productions of the self-appointed
>"serious thought" segment of producers.

You're happy that people watch dreck like Urkel and the other ABC
Friday night so-called comedies instead of dramas?
--
unk...@apple.com Apple II Forever
These opinions are mine, not Apple's.

R S Rodgers

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Sep 13, 1994, 6:56:41 PM9/13/94
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In article <354s31$2...@apple.com>, Matt Ackeret <unk...@apple.com> wrote:
>In article <34qdve$g...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>,
>R S Rodgers <rsro...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>>It's good, cheery news like this that restores my faith that the typical
>>American television watcher is not a gullible, sappy sucker that sits back
>>just waiting for the incompetent, shallow productions of the self-appointed
>>"serious thought" segment of producers.
>
> You're happy that people watch dreck like Urkel and the other ABC
>Friday night so-called comedies instead of dramas?

Oh, you're so right. They should be watching Televisionally Correct deep,
insightful, boring, unclever, cliche and stupid dramas like MSCL.

How could I ever think otherwise? I take it all back.


Blanca L. Austin

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Sep 13, 1994, 10:58:45 AM9/13/94
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>Jason A. Miller <doc...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Yes, you should be very heartened by the fact that the one TV
>>show in history not to employ a single stereotype in its portrayal of
>>teenagers can't outdraw *WINGS*, the one TV show in history which has
>>last 5 years without A) any fan following of any kind, B) any famous
>>or memorable episodes, C) any main characters who people have even heard
>>of, and D) airs 4 times a day on the USA network ...
>

[good comments about Wings being popular deleted]

> John Carr (j...@mit.edu)

I for one really like the way that the characters in Wings interact.
They seem to care for each other and, the actors, work very well as
a team. Noone is really trying to be "the star".

To me, it is just a fun, light-hearted comedy that works.
I watch TV, not to try to solve the problems of the world, but as mere
entertainment. So a show like "Wings" is great for me.

If I want intellectual estimulation, I read a book.

Blanca

--
=============================================================================
Blanca L. Austin | E-MAIL: bla...@eecom.gatech.edu
Electrical and Computer Engineering | PHONE: (404) 853-9041
Georgia Tech Atlanta, Ga 30332 |

ANTHONY C MATTHEWS

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Sep 13, 1994, 7:12:28 PM9/13/94
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In article <352fnd$7...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, j...@athena.mit.edu (John F Ca
rr) writes:
>In article <11SEP199...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>,

>Jason A. Miller <doc...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Yes, you should be very heartened by the fact that the one TV
>>show in history not to employ a single stereotype in its portrayal of
>>teenagers can't outdraw *WINGS*, the one TV show in history which has
>>last 5 years without A) any fan following of any kind, B) any famous
>>or memorable episodes, C) any main characters who people have even heard
>>of, and D) airs 4 times a day on the USA network ...
>
>I don't know how you measure fan following, but Wings has been moderately
>popular since its first episode. The regularly scheduled episodes are
>nearly always in the top half of TV shows and usually in the top 30.
>People don't talk about it much here, but as with most sitcoms there
>isn't much to say.
>
>I also don't know what it takes for an episode to become famous, but there
>are some I consider memorable. Wings doesn't do "very special" episodes
>(network-speak for a serious episode of a comedy which the critics are
>supposed to love) and they can show an extreme lack of subtlety in their
>humor at times so maybe they won't win many awards but I've found it
>worth a half hour of my time per week for the past few years.
>
>I guess it shows that a good show can succeed with a cast of unknowns.
>
>
>--
> John Carr (j...@mit.edu)
>

I agree with John, albeit, I've only discovered WINGS last year, I'm now a
die-hard fan. I think the show is very well-written and funny. As for a cast
of unknowns, I've seen Tim Daly, Steven Weber, Crystal Bernard and Thomas
Hayden Church in other works before and during WINGS. As for a fan following,
I have friends that have become hooked to the show.

I haven't been following this chain from the beginning, but Jason implied
that WINGS didn't have any memorable episodes. If I said "the episode where
Roy's son confesses his gayness," I'm sure that WINGS watchers would know
exactly what I was referring to. However, I must concur with John as to how
you came about with your definition about a "memorable episode". Wouldn't the
episode be memorable to the intended audience or do you mean the media? This
isn't a flame, just a difference in opinion.

This lead me to my last question. Dou you watch WINGS?

Warmest Regards,

Anthony Matthews | If if's and but's
Computer Science | were candy and nuts,
Graduate Student | we would all have a wonderful Christmas.
Lehigh University | -- Joe Hackett, "WINGS"

John Winder Taber

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Sep 14, 1994, 8:07:05 PM9/14/94
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I

>I don't know how you measure fan following, but Wings has been moderately
>popular since its first episode. The regularly scheduled episodes are
>nearly always in the top half of TV shows and usually in the top 30.
>People don't talk about it much here, but as with most sitcoms there
>isn't much to say.

>I also don't know what it takes for an episode to become famous, but there
>are some I consider memorable. Wings doesn't do "very special" episodes
>(network-speak for a serious episode of a comedy which the critics are
>supposed to love) and they can show an extreme lack of subtlety in their
>humor at times so maybe they won't win many awards but I've found it
>worth a half hour of my time per week for the past few years.

>I guess it shows that a good show can succeed with a cast of unknowns.


I, for one, became attracted to Wings because it had the same cast
interactions as "Cheers", and while it wasn't a spinoff, there were crossover
episodes. That's one reason for its appeal, and why Frasier has a similar
appeal.

Steve Wall

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Sep 16, 1994, 12:45:41 AM9/16/94
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In article <355an9$2...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, rsro...@wam.umd.edu (R S
Rodgers) wrote:

Oh, MSCL isn't that bad. If you want stupid drama, go back and watch
some of the "serious" M*A*S*H episodes some time. Or worse, do you
remember Lou Grant? There's nothing like whacking the viewer over the
head with Message! Message! Message!

MSCL is just what I expected from the creators of Thirtysomething.
It's teensomething. And since I found Thirtysomething somewhat
of a guilty pleasure, I'm sure I'll wind up feeling the same way
about MSCL.

--
Steve W.

Dennis Nedblake

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Sep 14, 1994, 11:50:47 PM9/14/94
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In article <34qdve$g...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>
rsro...@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes:
>In article <IJBall-0909940903030001@mac_rbk_3.chem.ucla.edu>,
>Ian J. Ball <IJB...@aol.com> wrote:
>>In article <34o3ht$6...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, rsro...@wam.umd.edu (R S
>>Rodgers) wrote:
>>> In article <34o07u$d...@lucy.infi.net>, Danny Moses <nit...@infi.net> wrote:
>>> >74. "Wings - Friday" (NBC)....................
......................... 06.1
>>> >75. "M.A.N.T.I.S. - Friday" (FOX).............
......................... 06.0
>>> >76. "My So-Called Life" (ABC).................
......................... 05.9

hey... how *about* those 80 column wide posts...

>>> HAhahahahahahah.
>>> Scored below MANTIS and *Wings*?

yeah. ouch.

>>
>>MSCL lost 32% of its ratings between the premiere and the 2nd show. As I
>>said, the show is too dark to be called entertaining by the vast majority
>>of the TV public. ABC should never have ordered 9 more episodes before the

i'm sure they're glad to have you to speak for them.

>>ratings for the 2nd episode were in.

fair enough. but the same applies to any show.

>>MSCL should be gone in no more than 6 weeks.

people should be able to live in bosnia without being mortared
by militant loonies. life isn't fair.

>It's good, cheery news like this that restores my faith that the typical
>American television watcher is not a gullible, sappy sucker that sits back
>just waiting for the incompetent, shallow productions of the self-appointed
>"serious thought" segment of producers.

of course they *do* seem to be the kind of gullible, sappy sucker
that believes any type of statistic without even reading it...

the given statistics compare MSCL to two shows that are on on a
different day. MSCL is up against 'mad about you' (can we all
say "abc executives making a dumb decision if they're going to
promote this as their best show"?). I seem to recall turning off
the tv last friday because mantis was so horrid, and there was
nothing else better on (i can't comment on 'wings' but i suspect
a similar situation).

if you're going to blindly believe misleading statistics, don't
speak for others who might be less gullible.

--dennis, garden-variety statistic-hater

smarshall

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Sep 16, 1994, 1:16:35 PM9/16/94
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In article <swall-15099...@wallmac.planet.net> Steve Wall,

sw...@earth.planet.net writes:
>MSCL is just what I expected from the creators of Thirtysomething.
>It's teensomething. And since I found Thirtysomething somewhat
>of a guilty pleasure, I'm sure I'll wind up feeling the same way
>about MSCL.
>
I saw the pilot show and thought "gosh! they took my 11th grade diary and
put it into a tv show!". I watched a couple more episodes and decided
that I don't feel like living my teenage years over again, they weren't
that good to begin with and I don't feel like reliving them. I watched
the Due South pilot repeat instead and found it much more to my liking
last night.

Sandy M.

Vidiot

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Sep 18, 1994, 6:05:55 PM9/18/94
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And a real landslide at that :-)
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Sep 23, 1994, 3:37:54 AM9/23/94
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In article <354en5$j...@hardy.ee.gatech.edu>,

Blanca L. Austin <bla...@shockley.eecom.gatech.edu> wrote:

>I watch TV, not to try to solve the problems of the world, but as mere
>entertainment.

>If I want intellectual estimulation, I read a book.

And people bitch and moan about television failing miserably at attaining
its potential as a communications medium. This sort of attitude is at least
partially responsible for that. It's self-fulfilling prophecy. Catch-22.
Something like that.

If the TV-viewing public and the snobbish, highbrow "I turn to *books* for
intellectual stimulation" crowd refuse to recognize the potential of
television for being more than "mere entertainment", then television will
remain an underachieving medium.


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Byron C. Go

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Sep 23, 1994, 3:43:42 AM9/23/94
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In article <35cjtj$7...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Sandy M.
<smar...@uv1.im.med.umich.edu> wrote:

>I saw the pilot show and thought "gosh! they took my 11th grade diary and
>put it into a tv show!". I watched a couple more episodes and decided
>that I don't feel like living my teenage years over again, they weren't
>that good to begin with and I don't feel like reliving them. I watched
>the Due South pilot repeat instead and found it much more to my liking
>last night.

My general impression is that the people who don't like MSCL are the ones
who don't recognize the situations or for whom it cuts too close to the
bone. (Maybe both -- can you say "selective memory"?)

Me, I'll admit the show has its faults but in my book it's still the best
damn show on TV this season. (No, I don't have cable. Some of us don't lead
pampered lives, you know.)

Steven Chung

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Sep 23, 1994, 2:17:07 PM9/23/94
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In article <byronCw...@netcom.com>, Byron C. Go <by...@netcom.com> wrote:
# Me, I'll admit the show has its faults but in my book it's still the best
# damn show on TV this season. (No, I don't have cable. Some of us don't lead
# pampered lives, you know.)

Check out Party of Five.

Anyway, I was ready to dump MSCL after last week's episode, but it was a
bit better this week. I think the rule is: the more the parents are on,
the worse the show. And the character development moves at a glacial
pace.

Byron C. Go

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Sep 24, 1994, 12:42:44 PM9/24/94
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In article <35v633$q...@marlin.ssnet.com>,
Steven Chung <s...@marlin.ssnet.com> wrote:

>Check out Party of Five.

I have. I like it. :)

>Anyway, I was ready to dump MSCL after last week's episode, but it was a
>bit better this week. I think the rule is: the more the parents are on,
>the worse the show. And the character development moves at a glacial
>pace.

Oh I don't know. Character development at a glacial pace... sort of like
life, right?

I don't think the parents are that bad, really. I could really sympathize
with the mother in the episode where the printing firm gets audited and she
has to deal with *her* father's bull-headedness. And Angela's dad... well,
I've always liked Tom Irwin.

byron (:

Ian J. Ball

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Sep 24, 1994, 5:57:35 PM9/24/94
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In article <35v633$q...@marlin.ssnet.com>, s...@marlin.ssnet.com (Steven
Chung) wrote:

> Check out Party of Five.

Yep. I like that one a lot. I can relate much more.

> Anyway, I was ready to dump MSCL after last week's episode, but it was a
> bit better this week. I think the rule is: the more the parents are on,
> the worse the show. And the character development moves at a glacial
> pace.

Huh? I'm surprised. MSCL seems to get worse by the week, to me. While I
liked the fact that this week's ep. featured some devolpement of Sharon,
this one had way too much whining from Angela, way too much of the mom and
managed to make the character of Rayanne look worse than usual. This is
not a good thing.
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