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David
Oct 7, 2016, 7:23:39 PM10/7/16
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http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apology-1201881989/
Billy Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ‘I’m
Embarrassed & Ashamed’
by Elizabeth Wagmeister
Billy Bush has broken his silence, just hours after a vulgar video of
him with Donald Trump from 2005 surfaced.
In the video, Bush and Trump were caught on hot mics, speaking lewdly
about women.
“Obviously I’m embarrassed and ashamed. It’s no excuse, but this
happened eleven years ago — I was younger, less mature, and acted
foolishly in playing along. I’m very sorry,” Bush said in a statement
released to Variety on Friday evening.
Billy Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ‘I’m
Embarrassed & Ashamed’
by Elizabeth Wagmeister
Billy Bush has broken his silence, just hours after a vulgar video of
him with Donald Trump from 2005 surfaced.
In the video, Bush and Trump were caught on hot mics, speaking lewdly
about women.
“Obviously I’m embarrassed and ashamed. It’s no excuse, but this
happened eleven years ago — I was younger, less mature, and acted
foolishly in playing along. I’m very sorry,” Bush said in a statement
released to Variety on Friday evening.
Obveeus
Oct 8, 2016, 9:26:00 AM10/8/16
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On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apology-1201881989/
>
> Billy Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ‘I’m
> Embarrassed & Ashamed’
this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
higher standard than politicians:
https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
BTR1701
Oct 8, 2016, 11:55:45 AM10/8/16
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Unreal...
Barb May
Oct 8, 2016, 1:09:53 PM10/8/16
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Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault. Billy Bush
encouraged him, joined in, and egged him on, even to the point of
talking the very next female they encountered into hugging Trump.
No one is surprised that you are quick to whine about the reactions to
this.
--
Barb
moviePig
Oct 8, 2016, 2:08:54 PM10/8/16
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I wish were its focus) is in confirming Trump's adolescence.
--
- - - - - - - -
YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
Irish Ranger
Oct 8, 2016, 3:14:14 PM10/8/16
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On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 7:23:39 PM UTC-4, David wrote:
> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apology-1201881989/
>
> Billy Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ‘I’m
> Embarrassed & Ashamed’
> by Elizabeth Wagmeister
If Trump ever gets caught getting blow jobs in the Oval Office from an Intern young enough to
> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apology-1201881989/
>
> Billy Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ‘I’m
> Embarrassed & Ashamed’
> by Elizabeth Wagmeister
be his daughter, I think he should resign. Which would show more class than Bill Clinton displayed.
Irish Mike
jgro...@hotmail.com
Oct 8, 2016, 3:32:33 PM10/8/16
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Barb May
Oct 8, 2016, 3:55:28 PM10/8/16
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important part?
--
Barb
Barb May
Oct 8, 2016, 3:55:29 PM10/8/16
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say it's not as bad as what Bill Clinton did.
--
Barb
FPP
Oct 8, 2016, 4:06:19 PM10/8/16
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condemnation... although he *CAN* be fired for that. He can be fired
for almost anything, unless contractually protected.
Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
--
Donald J. (check out sex tape) Trump's fitting end:
"This is what we call irony… A guy who really loves fucking, you know,
he basically just fucked himself out of the race.” - Unnamed Clinton
Supporter
FPP
Oct 8, 2016, 4:10:37 PM10/8/16
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It takes away any defense he has for the allegations that have been made.
http://qz.com/804486/the-women-whove-accused-donald-trump-of-sexual-assault/
There are women who have accused him of sexual assault - and it puts
those allegations in a new light, seeing as how he's admitted to the
behavior, and his reasoning behind it. (You can get away with
anything!)
And the fact that the guy helping his is Roger Ailes, a serial sexual
assaulter who just got drummed out of his job... well, you do the math.
FPP
Oct 8, 2016, 4:15:49 PM10/8/16
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On 2016-10-08 19:14:03 +0000, Irish Ranger <ace...@att.net> said:
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 7:23:39 PM UTC-4, David wrote:
>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-ap
> ology-1201881989/
>>
>> Billy Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ‘Iâ
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 7:23:39 PM UTC-4, David wrote:
>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-ap
> ology-1201881989/
>>
> €™m
>> Embarrassed & Ashamed’
>> by Elizabeth Wagmeister
>
> If Trump ever gets caught getting blow jobs in the Oval Office from an
> Intern young enough to be his daughter, I think he should resign.
> Which would show more class than Bill Clinton displayed.
Trump isn't getting ANY jobs that involve the Oval Office, clown.
>> by Elizabeth Wagmeister
>
> If Trump ever gets caught getting blow jobs in the Oval Office from an
> Intern young enough to be his daughter, I think he should resign.
> Which would show more class than Bill Clinton displayed.
And Monica Lewinsky wasn't assaulted against her will. But don't take
*MY* word for it, here it is from the horse's mouth:
> Lewinsky — who once boasted to a pal that she was bringing her
> “presidential kneepads” to the White House — wrote that her Oval Office
> affair with the Horndog in Chief was consensual.
>
> “Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on
> this point: it was a consensual relationship. Any ‘abuse’ came in the
> aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful
> position,” Lewinsky wrote.
http://nypost.com/2014/05/06/monica-lewinsky-breaks-silence-on-affair-with-bill-clinton/
Awwww...
that's gonna leave a mark!
moviePig
Oct 8, 2016, 4:20:11 PM10/8/16
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today I think it'll be dismissed by the willing as boys being/talking
like boys -- whereas it's nearly impossible to picture a speaker of
these lines, be they true or not, as a desirable Commander-In-Chief.
trotsky
Oct 8, 2016, 4:23:50 PM10/8/16
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jobs.
moviePig
Oct 8, 2016, 4:42:39 PM10/8/16
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specifically covered in his taped braggery? If not, I'd expect little
impact on public opinion, and none on eventual courtroom outcomes.
FPP
Oct 8, 2016, 4:43:56 PM10/8/16
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I'm a boy... and I never attempted to rape anyone. How about you?
> Jill Harth speaks out about alleged groping by Donald Trump in 1997
>
> “He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and
> tried to get up my dress again,” Harth said, “and I had to physically
> say: ‘What are you doing? Stop it.’ It was a shocking thing to have him
> do this because he knew I was with George, he knew they were in the
> next room. And how could he be doing this when I’m there for business?”
>
> A woman at the centre of sexual assault allegations against Donald
> Trump has spoken for the first time in detail about her personal
> experience with the billionaire tycoon who this week became the
> Republican nominee for president.
>
> Jill Harth, a makeup artist, has stayed quiet for almost 20 years about
> the way Trump pursued her, and – according to a lawsuit she instigated
> – cornered her and groped her in his (Trump's) daughter’s bedroom.
>
> Harth said she stands by her charges against Trump, which run from
> low-grade sexual harassment to an episode her lawyers described in the
> lawsuit as “attempted ‘rape’”.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview
shawn
Oct 8, 2016, 4:52:29 PM10/8/16
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 16:20:04 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
wrote:
Certainly that's true of the fanatics but the people Trump is trying
to win over with his attack on HRC through Bill will have an issue
with Trump's own past but his admission on the tape of making moves on
a married woman. That really works against his plan to attack Hillary
because of her husband's past issues with women.
wrote:
to win over with his attack on HRC through Bill will have an issue
with Trump's own past but his admission on the tape of making moves on
a married woman. That really works against his plan to attack Hillary
because of her husband's past issues with women.
FPP
Oct 8, 2016, 5:00:19 PM10/8/16
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And NONE of this is about his legal jeopardy. It's all about his run
for the White House, and the fate of the entire Republican Party.
All this needs to do is sway a few percent of undecided voters to shift
the balance of power in the most powerful nation in the world. The
Supreme Court hangs in the balance - LITERALLY, the BALANCE.
The stakes are way, way more than just some boy-talk and Trump's image, pig.
He's fucked. Really and truly fucked. In the ass.
And the party he represents is in existential crisis. You think the
down ballot pols in close races are worried about TRUMP'S image, pig?
moviePig
Oct 8, 2016, 6:06:16 PM10/8/16
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pessimistic and/or paranoid to do that. I won't feel safe until Nate
Silver says I can.
moviePig
Oct 8, 2016, 6:09:10 PM10/8/16
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FPP
Oct 8, 2016, 7:00:24 PM10/8/16
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gonna need them both, no matter which way this goes.
I'm not taking anything for granted... because it's never over until
it's over - but any idiot can see Trump is not going to get any
undecideds.
Whoever is "undecided" looks at the election today and says "Yeah...
this makes me want to vote for THAT guy!"
Really... who?
FPP
Oct 8, 2016, 7:05:08 PM10/8/16
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Look at the Alicia Machado attack... Hillary had that info back in May,
and yet, she chose until the end of September to use it. In front of
84,000,000 million people, where it would be sure to leave a mark.
You DO NOT seriously think she's blown her wad this early, right? Not
while there's still time for the Republicans to jump the HMS
Trumptanic...
In fact, I'd say that Pussygate was something Hillary's camp would have
hoped would've stayed hidden for a few more weeks.
Hillary plays Chess. Trump plays Grab-ass.
Michael Black
Oct 8, 2016, 7:49:09 PM10/8/16
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views.
He comes across as a stereotype of the newly rich, some guy who wins the
loto and doesn't know how to behave. Far worse than Rodney Dangerfield in
"Caddyshack". His political views are tainted by a very juvenile language
and apparently view of the world.
Michael
Barb May
Oct 8, 2016, 9:40:55 PM10/8/16
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FPP wrote:
> You DO NOT seriously think she's blown her wad this early, right? Not
> while there's still time for the Republicans to jump the HMS
> Trumptanic...
For the benefit of the country, the party and his family, and for his
> You DO NOT seriously think she's blown her wad this early, right? Not
> while there's still time for the Republicans to jump the HMS
> Trumptanic...
own good, @realDonaldTrump should withdraw. More and worse oppo
coming. -- Hugh Hewitt
--
Barb
Tom Benton
Oct 8, 2016, 10:30:52 PM10/8/16
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 14:08:47 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
wrote:
There was any doubt? Even after Trump's sparring about the size of
his...hands, with Rubio?
__________________________________________________
"It's just a flying saucer, Ed...We gotta go!"
Peggy Blumquist
wrote:
his...hands, with Rubio?
__________________________________________________
"It's just a flying saucer, Ed...We gotta go!"
Peggy Blumquist
FPP
Oct 9, 2016, 12:59:42 AM10/9/16
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Trump, and then after he was nominated, he embraced him with a big wet
kiss.
Now he's getting his principals back? What are principals to him...
like, dry cleaning?
FPP
Oct 9, 2016, 1:00:23 AM10/9/16
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TeeJay1952
Oct 9, 2016, 4:24:43 AM10/9/16
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On 10/8/2016 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
> Well, you're treating the top race as a foregone conclusion. I'm too
> pessimistic and/or paranoid to do that. I won't feel safe until Nate
> Silver says I can.
>
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
> Well, you're treating the top race as a foregone conclusion. I'm too
> pessimistic and/or paranoid to do that. I won't feel safe until Nate
> Silver says I can.
>
trotsky
Oct 9, 2016, 6:26:50 AM10/9/16
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On 10/8/16 10:55 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
>
>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apology-1201881989/
>>>
>>> Billy Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ‘I’m
>>> Embarrassed & Ashamed’
>>
>> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired for
>> this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
>> higher standard than politicians:
>> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
>
> So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
>
> Unreal...
It sounds like you need to grab a few women by their pussies and report
> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
>
>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apology-1201881989/
>>>
>>> Billy Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ‘I’m
>>> Embarrassed & Ashamed’
>>
>> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired for
>> this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
>> higher standard than politicians:
>> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
>
> So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
>
> Unreal...
back to us.
"I can't believe their locking me up for this! Unreal..."
Idiot.
trotsky
Oct 9, 2016, 6:28:45 AM10/9/16
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fucked in the head.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2016/10/08/donald-trump-billy-bush-were-talking-nancy-odell-leaked-audio/91786526/
trotsky
Oct 9, 2016, 6:33:37 AM10/9/16
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http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now
moviePig
Oct 9, 2016, 9:53:16 AM10/9/16
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probabilities of *winning*. It's paralyzing merely to see Trump in
double figures. Think of him as an incoming asteroid eyeing Earth...
moviePig
Oct 9, 2016, 9:59:35 AM10/9/16
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has to wonder what Trump's opponents were occupying themselves with
throughout primary season...
moviePig
Oct 9, 2016, 10:01:32 AM10/9/16
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ability to look under the hood. Now, what does that tell you?...
moviePig
Oct 9, 2016, 10:10:16 AM10/9/16
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rating from 1 to 10 ring a bell?) And, though to a lesser extent, vice
versa. I don't see it as a death blow to Trump's candidacy.
BTR1701
Oct 9, 2016, 5:47:38 PM10/9/16
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In article <ntbjj9$16f$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2016-10-08 15:55:38 +0000, BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> said:
>
> > Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
> >
> >>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apo
> >>> logy-1201881989/
>
> Billy
> >>>
> >>> Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ŚIąm
> >>> Embarrassed & Ashamedą
> Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
> given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
Yeah, and when a woman presses charges against him for doing that, I'll
be the first to say he should go to prison. However right now, all there
is him bragging about that's what he does. I've been in enough gyms, and
locker rooms, and cop shops and other places where guys puff their
chests out and brag about their exploits to each other to know it's
almost always bullshit, and every guy knows it's bullshit. Well, every
non-beta male who's actually experienced such things, I guess.
I guarantee you that Bill Clinton has said the same sort of thing or
worse to his buddies. Several of his golfing partners have said he has,
in fact. Trump was just stupid enough to do it around an open mic.
wrote:
> On 2016-10-08 15:55:38 +0000, BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> said:
>
> > Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
> >
> >>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apo
> >>> logy-1201881989/
>
> Billy
> >>>
> >>> Embarrassed & Ashamedą
> >>
> >> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired for
> >> this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
> >> higher standard than politicians:
> >> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
> >
> > So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
> >
> > Unreal...
> Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
> >> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired for
> >> this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
> >> higher standard than politicians:
> >> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
> >
> > So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
> >
> > Unreal...
> Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
> given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
Yeah, and when a woman presses charges against him for doing that, I'll
be the first to say he should go to prison. However right now, all there
is him bragging about that's what he does. I've been in enough gyms, and
locker rooms, and cop shops and other places where guys puff their
chests out and brag about their exploits to each other to know it's
almost always bullshit, and every guy knows it's bullshit. Well, every
non-beta male who's actually experienced such things, I guess.
I guarantee you that Bill Clinton has said the same sort of thing or
worse to his buddies. Several of his golfing partners have said he has,
in fact. Trump was just stupid enough to do it around an open mic.
moviePig
Oct 9, 2016, 5:57:34 PM10/9/16
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On 10/9/2016 5:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ntbjj9$16f$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-08 15:55:38 +0000, BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> said:
>>
>>> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apo
>>>>> logy-1201881989/
>>
>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ŒI¹m
> In article <ntbjj9$16f$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-08 15:55:38 +0000, BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> said:
>>
>>> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apo
>>>>> logy-1201881989/
>>
>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> Embarrassed & Ashamed¹
>>>>
>>>> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired for
>>>> this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
>>>> higher standard than politicians:
>>>> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
>>>
>>> So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
>>>
>>> Unreal...
>
>> Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
>> Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
>> given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
>
> Yeah, and when a woman presses charges against him for doing that, I'll
> be the first to say he should go to prison. However right now, all there
> is him bragging about that's what he does. I've been in enough gyms, and
> locker rooms, and cop shops and other places where guys puff their
> chests out and brag about their exploits to each other to know it's
> almost always bullshit, and every guy knows it's bullshit. Well, every
> non-beta male who's actually experienced such things, I guess.
>
> I guarantee you that Bill Clinton has said the same sort of thing or
> worse to his buddies. Several of his golfing partners have said he has,
> in fact. Trump was just stupid enough to do it around an open mic.
I don't think you can make that guarantee. Certainly not every
>>>> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired for
>>>> this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
>>>> higher standard than politicians:
>>>> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
>>>
>>> So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
>>>
>>> Unreal...
>
>> Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
>> Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
>> given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
>
> Yeah, and when a woman presses charges against him for doing that, I'll
> be the first to say he should go to prison. However right now, all there
> is him bragging about that's what he does. I've been in enough gyms, and
> locker rooms, and cop shops and other places where guys puff their
> chests out and brag about their exploits to each other to know it's
> almost always bullshit, and every guy knows it's bullshit. Well, every
> non-beta male who's actually experienced such things, I guess.
>
> I guarantee you that Bill Clinton has said the same sort of thing or
> worse to his buddies. Several of his golfing partners have said he has,
> in fact. Trump was just stupid enough to do it around an open mic.
philanderer is a braggart, and likewise vice versa.
Ubiquitous
Oct 9, 2016, 10:38:17 PM10/9/16
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Someone's sockpuppet wrote:
>Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
>Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
>given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
So you agree that Bill Clinton is a rapist? Thanks!
>Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
>Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
>given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
--
"Gotta have them ribs and pussy too!"
-- Barack Obama
FPP
Oct 9, 2016, 11:51:24 PM10/9/16
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On 2016-10-09 21:48:43 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> I guarantee you that Bill Clinton has said the same sort of thing or
> worse to his buddies.
So I'm taking you up on that guarantee.
> I guarantee you that Bill Clinton has said the same sort of thing or
> worse to his buddies.
Show me. You made the offer, counselor... I'm taking you up on it.
Go ahead. I'm waiting.
FPP
Oct 9, 2016, 11:51:58 PM10/9/16
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What about THAT surprised you?
FPP
Oct 9, 2016, 11:52:51 PM10/9/16
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On 2016-10-10 02:38:53 +0000, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> said:
> Someone's sockpuppet wrote:
>
>> Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
>> Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
>> given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
>
> So you agree that Bill Clinton is a rapist? Thanks!
Talking to yourself is a sign of mental illness. Seek help.
> Someone's sockpuppet wrote:
>
>> Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
>> Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
>> given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
>
> So you agree that Bill Clinton is a rapist? Thanks!
trotsky
Oct 10, 2016, 7:00:35 AM10/10/16
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On 10/9/16 4:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ntbjj9$16f$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-08 15:55:38 +0000, BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> said:
>>
>>> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apo
>>>>> logy-1201881989/
>>
>> Billy
>>>>>
> In article <ntbjj9$16f$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-08 15:55:38 +0000, BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> said:
>>
>>> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apo
>>>>> logy-1201881989/
>>
>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: ŒI¹m
>>>>> Embarrassed & Ashamed¹
>>>>
>>>>> Embarrassed & Ashamed¹
>>>>
>>>> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired for
>>>> this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
>>>> higher standard than politicians:
>>>> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
>>>
>>> So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
>>>
>>> Unreal...
>
>> Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
>> Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
>> given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
>
> Yeah, and when a woman presses charges against him for doing that, I'll
> be the first to say he should go to prison. However right now, all there
> is him bragging about that's what he does. I've been in enough gyms, and
> locker rooms, and cop shops and other places where guys puff their
> chests out and brag about their exploits to each other to know it's
> almost always bullshit, and every guy knows it's bullshit. Well, every
> non-beta male who's actually experienced such things, I guess.
>
> I guarantee you that Bill Clinton has said the same sort of thing or
> worse to his buddies. Several of his golfing partners have said he has,
> in fact. Trump was just stupid enough to do it around an open mic.
That "he's just as shitty as Trump is" defense never gets old!!
>>>> this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV hosts to a
>>>> higher standard than politicians:
>>>> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
>>>
>>> So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
>>>
>>> Unreal...
>
>> Trump is another matter. His actions are called "assault" counselor.
>> Admitting that you just go for it and start kissing women who haven't
>> given consent is assault. So is a pussy grab.
>
> Yeah, and when a woman presses charges against him for doing that, I'll
> be the first to say he should go to prison. However right now, all there
> is him bragging about that's what he does. I've been in enough gyms, and
> locker rooms, and cop shops and other places where guys puff their
> chests out and brag about their exploits to each other to know it's
> almost always bullshit, and every guy knows it's bullshit. Well, every
> non-beta male who's actually experienced such things, I guess.
>
> I guarantee you that Bill Clinton has said the same sort of thing or
> worse to his buddies. Several of his golfing partners have said he has,
> in fact. Trump was just stupid enough to do it around an open mic.
newreal...@gmail.com
Oct 10, 2016, 12:08:58 PM10/10/16
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On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-7, FPP wrote:
> I'm a boy...
LOL
and I never attempted to rape anyone. How about you?
>
> > Jill Harth speaks out about alleged groping by Donald Trump in 1997
> >
> > “He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and
> > tried to get up my dress again,” Harth said, “and I had to physically
> > say: ‘What are you doing? Stop it.’ It was a shocking thing to have him
> > do this because he knew I was with George, he knew they were in the
> > next room. And how could he be doing this when I’m there for business?”
> >
> > A woman at the centre of sexual assault allegations against Donald
> > Trump has spoken for the first time in detail about her personal
> > experience with the billionaire tycoon who this week became the
> > Republican nominee for president.
> >
> > Jill Harth, a makeup artist, has stayed quiet for almost 20 years about
> > the way Trump pursued her, and – according to a lawsuit she instigated
> > – cornered her and groped her in his (Trump's) daughter’s bedroom.
> >
> > Harth said she stands by her charges against Trump, which run from
> > low-grade sexual harassment to an episode her lawyers described in the
> > lawsuit as “attempted ‘rape’”.
> >
> > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview
> On 2016-10-08 20:20:04 +0000, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> said:
>
> > On 10/8/2016 4:51 PM, Barb May wrote:
>
> > On 10/8/2016 4:51 PM, Barb May wrote:
> >> moviePig wrote:
> >>> On 10/8/2016 1:57 PM, Barb May wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> On 10/8/2016 1:57 PM, Barb May wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apology-1201881989/
>
> Billy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bush Apologizes for Lewd Donald Trump Conversation: 'I'm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/7/2016 7:23 PM, David wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/billy-bush-reaction-donald-trump-video-apology-1201881989/
>
> Billy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Embarrassed & Ashamed'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired
> >>>>>> for this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV
> >>>>>> hosts to a higher standard than politicians:
> >>>>>> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unreal...
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At least from the success of the petition to have Billy Bush fired
> >>>>>> for this, it seems that America isn't really trying to hold TV
> >>>>>> hosts to a higher standard than politicians:
> >>>>>> https://www.change.org/p/nbc-fire-billy-bush-immediately
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So now mere boorish behavior is categorized as "sexual violence".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unreal...
> >>>>
> >>>> Where does either of the links posted say "sexual violence"
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault. Billy Bush
> >>>> encouraged him, joined in, and egged him on, even to the point of
> >>>> talking the very next female they encountered into hugging Trump.
> >>>>
> >>>> No one is surprised that you are quick to whine about the reactions
> >>>> to this.
> >>>
> >>> Not to seem insensitive, but the major insight of this revelation
> >>> (which I wish were its focus) is in confirming Trump's adolescence.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault. Billy Bush
> >>>> encouraged him, joined in, and egged him on, even to the point of
> >>>> talking the very next female they encountered into hugging Trump.
> >>>>
> >>>> No one is surprised that you are quick to whine about the reactions
> >>>> to this.
> >>>
> >>> Not to seem insensitive, but the major insight of this revelation
> >>> (which I wish were its focus) is in confirming Trump's adolescence.
> >>
> >> You don't think his admission of sexually assaulting women is the
> >> important part?
> >
> > It may be the important part to future generations, but in the U.S.
> > today I think it'll be dismissed by the willing as boys being/talking
> > like boys -- whereas it's nearly impossible to picture a speaker of
> > these lines, be they true or not, as a desirable Commander-In-Chief.
>
> Sure... boys will be boy's right?
> >> important part?
> >
> > It may be the important part to future generations, but in the U.S.
> > today I think it'll be dismissed by the willing as boys being/talking
> > like boys -- whereas it's nearly impossible to picture a speaker of
> > these lines, be they true or not, as a desirable Commander-In-Chief.
>
> I'm a boy...
LOL
and I never attempted to rape anyone. How about you?
>
> > Jill Harth speaks out about alleged groping by Donald Trump in 1997
> >
> > “He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and
> > tried to get up my dress again,” Harth said, “and I had to physically
> > say: ‘What are you doing? Stop it.’ It was a shocking thing to have him
> > do this because he knew I was with George, he knew they were in the
> > next room. And how could he be doing this when I’m there for business?”
> >
> > A woman at the centre of sexual assault allegations against Donald
> > Trump has spoken for the first time in detail about her personal
> > experience with the billionaire tycoon who this week became the
> > Republican nominee for president.
> >
> > Jill Harth, a makeup artist, has stayed quiet for almost 20 years about
> > the way Trump pursued her, and – according to a lawsuit she instigated
> > – cornered her and groped her in his (Trump's) daughter’s bedroom.
> >
> > Harth said she stands by her charges against Trump, which run from
> > low-grade sexual harassment to an episode her lawyers described in the
> > lawsuit as “attempted ‘rape’”.
> >
> > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview
jgro...@hotmail.com
Oct 13, 2016, 8:39:40 PM10/13/16
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On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 9:10:16 AM UTC-5, moviePig wrote:
> The elephant in the room is that men routinely objectify women. (Does a
> rating from 1 to 10 ring a bell?) And, though to a lesser extent, vice
> versa. I don't see it as a death blow to Trump's candidacy.
Power trips were common behavior by 1970s men who had money. My boss at a small shop was a playah, advertising jobs for "store models/sales consultants". The sick thing is his MOTHER worked in the shop 5 days a week. Imagine a buffed up Louie from Taxi. Shout-out to Gail for setting Louie Jr. straight !!
> The elephant in the room is that men routinely objectify women. (Does a
> rating from 1 to 10 ring a bell?) And, though to a lesser extent, vice
> versa. I don't see it as a death blow to Trump's candidacy.
BTR1701
Oct 13, 2016, 10:34:31 PM10/13/16
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In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
And all this hypocritical faux hysteria is ridiculous. We have Michelle
Obama today clutching her pearls and staggering to the fainting couch
over Trump's comments to Billy Bush:
"I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of
the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women. I
can't stop thinking about this. It has shaken me to my core in a way
that I couldn't have predicted."
But she apparently had no shaken core over an *actual* president of the
United States using an intern's vagina as his personal humidor in the
Oval Office. If that bothered her at all, she's never seen the need to
publicly mention it. Hmmm... wonder why?
Obama went on to say:
"The shameful comments about our bodies, the disrespect of our
ambitions and intellect, the belief that you can do anything you
want to a woman-- it is cruel, it's frightening, and the truth is,
it hurts."
And yet she and her husband have personally invited and feted rappers at
the White House who not only speak of women and how they treat them in
the most despicable of terms-- bitches, hos, their fat asses, and all
the ways they love to fuck them-- but they also glorify murdering each
other and police officers in their "art".
Weird how none of that shakes Michelle to her core, huh?
Strange how none of those rappers' "shameful comments about our bodies,
the disrespect of our ambitions and intellect, the belief that you can
do anything you want to a woman" are considered cruel or frightening.
Obama says she doesn't "know men who talk or think that way". Really?
Has she forgotten about all those hip-hoppers she posed for pictures
with and whose "music" she danced on the White House lawn to?
Or-- as it seems to be with everything-- is it just "different" when a
liberal does it?
Michelle doesn't know "decent guys who talk that way". No, she only
invites them to the White House to perform, and then lauds them on what
wonderful "artists" they are.
Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
And all this hypocritical faux hysteria is ridiculous. We have Michelle
Obama today clutching her pearls and staggering to the fainting couch
over Trump's comments to Billy Bush:
"I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of
the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women. I
can't stop thinking about this. It has shaken me to my core in a way
that I couldn't have predicted."
But she apparently had no shaken core over an *actual* president of the
United States using an intern's vagina as his personal humidor in the
Oval Office. If that bothered her at all, she's never seen the need to
publicly mention it. Hmmm... wonder why?
Obama went on to say:
"The shameful comments about our bodies, the disrespect of our
ambitions and intellect, the belief that you can do anything you
want to a woman-- it is cruel, it's frightening, and the truth is,
it hurts."
And yet she and her husband have personally invited and feted rappers at
the White House who not only speak of women and how they treat them in
the most despicable of terms-- bitches, hos, their fat asses, and all
the ways they love to fuck them-- but they also glorify murdering each
other and police officers in their "art".
Weird how none of that shakes Michelle to her core, huh?
Strange how none of those rappers' "shameful comments about our bodies,
the disrespect of our ambitions and intellect, the belief that you can
do anything you want to a woman" are considered cruel or frightening.
Obama says she doesn't "know men who talk or think that way". Really?
Has she forgotten about all those hip-hoppers she posed for pictures
with and whose "music" she danced on the White House lawn to?
Or-- as it seems to be with everything-- is it just "different" when a
liberal does it?
Michelle doesn't know "decent guys who talk that way". No, she only
invites them to the White House to perform, and then lauds them on what
wonderful "artists" they are.
FPP
Oct 13, 2016, 11:13:01 PM10/13/16
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On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>
> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
Wrong, again counselor.
> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>
> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
> “I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her,”
> Trump says. “You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just
> start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”
Get that? "I don't even wait." That's assault - and it wasn't limited
to kissing.
> “And when you’re a star, they let you do it,” Trump says. “You can do
> anything.”
> “Grab them by the p---y,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”
So, tell me again how you're NOT a Trump supporter. Please, I need a
good laugh, right about now.
Who would excuse what Trump has done, except someone who supported that
orange shit-stain?
Then there's the tape of him saying how he likes to walk in on naked
contestants at one of his pageants. Teen aged contestants. Yeah, he's
your kind of guy, all right. If he wasn't, why are you defending him?
You have legal training? That's the biggest laugh of all...
--
- "I'm telling you, global warming is real!"
- "And I'm telling YOU that Krypton is merely shifting its orbit.
-Howard Bryant
FPP
Oct 14, 2016, 12:07:42 AM10/14/16
to
> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>
> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>
> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
an assault if they let you do it?
Do tell, do tell...
So, if a boss tells you to lie down and spread them, and you do it,
it's not sexual assault because you let him?
Really... that's what a legal scholar like yourself is telling us? I
can't WAIT to hear the dodge you must be cooking up for your reply.
Please, make sure the bullshit is nice and fresh.
BTR1701
Oct 14, 2016, 12:28:06 AM10/14/16
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In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
> >
> > Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
> >
> > If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>
> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
> an assault if they let you do it?
Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
> So, if a boss tells you to lie down and spread them, and you do it,
> it's not sexual assault because you let him?
No, that's not sexual assault. It could be sexual harassment, depending
on the circumstances, but it's certainly not a crime.
Bosses have sex with subordinates all the time, even female bosses do
it. No gets arrested for it, unless force is involved and it's
non-consensual.
wrote:
> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
> >
> > Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
> >
> > If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>
> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
> an assault if they let you do it?
> So, if a boss tells you to lie down and spread them, and you do it,
> it's not sexual assault because you let him?
on the circumstances, but it's certainly not a crime.
Bosses have sex with subordinates all the time, even female bosses do
it. No gets arrested for it, unless force is involved and it's
non-consensual.
FPP
Oct 14, 2016, 12:46:53 AM10/14/16
to
--
Trump on Gropeghazi: "These things never happened, and furthermore,
they never happened a long time ago." - Farhad Manjoo
FPP
Oct 14, 2016, 12:52:27 AM10/14/16
to
On 2016-10-14 00:28:58 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>
>>> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>>>
>>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>>>
>>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>>
>> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
>> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
>> an assault if they let you do it?
>
> Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
And what constitutes an objection? I mean, by your definition, if
> In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>
>>> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>>>
>>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>>>
>>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>>
>> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
>> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
>> an assault if they let you do it?
>
> Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
someone had a medical episode, and couldn't object, you can rape them
at will?
How about comatose patients? Are they ripe pickins' for you too? How
about heavy sleepers?
Why can't you use the c-word? Consent...
FPP
Oct 14, 2016, 1:34:33 AM10/14/16
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trotsky
Oct 14, 2016, 6:48:07 AM10/14/16
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On 10/13/16 11:52 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-10-14 00:28:58 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
>> In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>
>>>> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>>>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>>>>
>>>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>>>
>>> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
>>> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
>>> an assault if they let you do it?
>>
>> Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
>
> And what constitutes an objection? I mean, by your definition, if
> someone had a medical episode, and couldn't object, you can rape them at
> will?
>
> How about comatose patients?
Now you've done it, he's going to say his brain's been violated!
> On 2016-10-14 00:28:58 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
>> In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>
>>>> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>>>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>>>>
>>>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>>>
>>> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
>>> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
>>> an assault if they let you do it?
>>
>> Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
>
> And what constitutes an objection? I mean, by your definition, if
> someone had a medical episode, and couldn't object, you can rape them at
> will?
>
> How about comatose patients?
LOL. Thanny is getting more stupid by the day.
Ubiquitous
Oct 14, 2016, 7:40:13 AM10/14/16
to
atr...@mac.com wrote:
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
>Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>
>If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>
>And all this hypocritical faux hysteria is ridiculous. We have Michelle
>Obama today clutching her pearls and staggering to the fainting couch
>over Trump's comments to Billy Bush:
>
> "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of
> the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women. I
> can't stop thinking about this. It has shaken me to my core in a way
> that I couldn't have predicted."
>
>But she apparently had no shaken core over an *actual* president of the
>United States using an intern's vagina as his personal humidor in the
>Oval Office. If that bothered her at all, she's never seen the need to
>publicly mention it. Hmmm... wonder why?
One also has to wonder why Michelle Obama had nothing but praise for Ted
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
>Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>
>If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>
>And all this hypocritical faux hysteria is ridiculous. We have Michelle
>Obama today clutching her pearls and staggering to the fainting couch
>over Trump's comments to Billy Bush:
>
> "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of
> the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women. I
> can't stop thinking about this. It has shaken me to my core in a way
> that I couldn't have predicted."
>
>But she apparently had no shaken core over an *actual* president of the
>United States using an intern's vagina as his personal humidor in the
>Oval Office. If that bothered her at all, she's never seen the need to
>publicly mention it. Hmmm... wonder why?
Kennedy, the man who routinely sexually harassed women and left one to drown
in Chappaquiddick Bay.
>Obama went on to say:
>
> "The shameful comments about our bodies, the disrespect of our
> ambitions and intellect, the belief that you can do anything you
> want to a woman-- it is cruel, it's frightening, and the truth is,
> it hurts."
>
>And yet she and her husband have personally invited and feted rappers at
>the White House who not only speak of women and how they treat them in
>the most despicable of terms-- bitches, hos, their fat asses, and all
>the ways they love to fuck them-- but they also glorify murdering each
>other and police officers in their "art".
>
>Weird how none of that shakes Michelle to her core, huh?
>
>Strange how none of those rappers' "shameful comments about our bodies,
>the disrespect of our ambitions and intellect, the belief that you can
>do anything you want to a woman" are considered cruel or frightening.
>
>Obama says she doesn't "know men who talk or think that way". Really?
>Has she forgotten about all those hip-hoppers she posed for pictures
>with and whose "music" she danced on the White House lawn to?
>
>Or-- as it seems to be with everything-- is it just "different" when a
>liberal does it?
--
Referring to Trump, Michelle said she hasn't heard such words demeaning
women since, well since Wednesday night's White House hip-hop party.
Ubiquitous
Oct 14, 2016, 7:44:57 AM10/14/16
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then starts posting followups to them? One can almost smell FPP's desperation.
FPP
Oct 14, 2016, 8:58:05 AM10/14/16
to
On 2016-10-14 09:41:10 +0000, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> said:
> atr...@mac.com wrote:
>> In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>>>>
>>>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>>>
>>> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
>>> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
>>> an assault if they let you do it?
>>
>> Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
>>
>>> So, if a boss tells you to lie down and spread them, and you do it,
>>> it's not sexual assault because you let him?
>>
>> No, that's not sexual assault. It could be sexual harassment, depending
>> on the circumstances, but it's certainly not a crime.
>>
>> Bosses have sex with subordinates all the time, even female bosses do
>> it. No gets arrested for it, unless force is involved and it's
>> non-consensual.
>
> Ever notice how when FPPsky's losing a debate, he posts multiple followups and
> then starts posting followups to them? One can almost smell FPP's desperation.
Ever notice that when "Ubi and the Socks" are losing a debate, they
> atr...@mac.com wrote:
>> In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>>>>
>>>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>>>
>>> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
>>> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
>>> an assault if they let you do it?
>>
>> Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
>>
>>> So, if a boss tells you to lie down and spread them, and you do it,
>>> it's not sexual assault because you let him?
>>
>> No, that's not sexual assault. It could be sexual harassment, depending
>> on the circumstances, but it's certainly not a crime.
>>
>> Bosses have sex with subordinates all the time, even female bosses do
>> it. No gets arrested for it, unless force is involved and it's
>> non-consensual.
>
> Ever notice how when FPPsky's losing a debate, he posts multiple followups and
> then starts posting followups to them? One can almost smell FPP's desperation.
whine about off-topic posts?
--
Here's Donald Trump, who doesn't know the details of his own business,
but by golly, he keeps track of the weight of Miss Universe from years
ago. -David Cay Johnston
moviePig
Oct 14, 2016, 9:39:59 AM10/14/16
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On 10/14/2016 12:46 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-10-14 00:28:58 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
>> In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>
>>>> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>>>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>>>>
>>>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>>>
>>> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
>>> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
>>> an assault if they let you do it?
>>
>> Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
I'm pretty sure the "she enjoyed it" defense seldom prevails.
> On 2016-10-14 00:28:58 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
>> In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>
>>>> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>>>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>>>>
>>>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
>>>
>>> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
>>> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
>>> an assault if they let you do it?
>>
>> Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
>>> So, if a boss tells you to lie down and spread them, and you do it,
>>> it's not sexual assault because you let him?
>>
>> No, that's not sexual assault. It could be sexual harassment, depending
>> on the circumstances, but it's certainly not a crime.
>>
>> Bosses have sex with subordinates all the time, even female bosses do
>> it. No gets arrested for it, unless force is involved and it's
>> non-consensual.
policies against it, as well as to successful litigation. Ethically,
you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no. And if you
make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney could somehow
muster a criminal proceeding.
FPP
Oct 14, 2016, 9:45:28 AM10/14/16
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Well, people are complaining now.
BTR1701
Oct 14, 2016, 10:04:32 AM10/14/16
to
In article <ntpo9m$49u$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2016-10-14 00:28:58 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> >>
> >>> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> >>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
> >>>
> >>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
> >>>
> >>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
> >>
> >> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
> >> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
> >> an assault if they let you do it?
> >
> > Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
>
> And what constitutes an objection? I mean, by your definition, if
> someone had a medical episode, and couldn't object, you can rape them
> at will?
>
> How about comatose patients? Are they ripe pickins' for you too? How
> about heavy sleepers?
And what about women who are in cryo-suspension?!?!? ZOMG!!!
> On 2016-10-14 00:28:58 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ntpllq$u27$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-10-13 22:35:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> >>
> >>> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> >>> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
> >>>
> >>> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
> >>>
> >>> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
> >>
> >> So, Great Legal Scholar (and part-time grammar nazi) you're saying that
> >> if you grab someone from behind and forcefully penetrate them, it's not
> >> an assault if they let you do it?
> >
> > Yeah, if they don't object, no crime has occurred.
>
> And what constitutes an objection? I mean, by your definition, if
> someone had a medical episode, and couldn't object, you can rape them
> at will?
>
> How about comatose patients? Are they ripe pickins' for you too? How
> about heavy sleepers?
BTR1701
Oct 14, 2016, 10:07:08 AM10/14/16
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In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
If it's a crime, it's a crime when done once. And if it's not a crime,
doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
FPP
Oct 14, 2016, 10:20:49 AM10/14/16
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It is a crime. It's a crime if you do it once. Unwanted actions for
the purpose of sexual gratification is a crime, unless the two parties
are consenting.
What about that do you think is legal? Because the party being
violated doesn't complain?
Funny how the same people complain about Bill Clinton and Monica
Lewinsky - even though Lewinsky has admitted she was a willing
participant.
But, to you, rape is OK as long as it isn't reported? It isn't a crime
because the victim is too traumatized to report it? What kind of a
caveman are you?
FPP
Oct 14, 2016, 10:22:06 AM10/14/16
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moviePig
Oct 14, 2016, 10:33:22 AM10/14/16
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On 10/14/2016 10:07 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
>
> But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
Assuming your point is something other than my "sexist" phrasing, I
> In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
>
> But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
don't understand.
>> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
>> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
>
> If it's a crime, it's a crime when done once. And if it's not a crime,
> doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
time is shoplifting...
Barb May
Oct 14, 2016, 2:23:52 PM10/14/16
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BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
> Well, not really.
Yes, really.
> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
> Well, not really.
And now, by lying about it in order to defend Trump, you've finally hit
bottom. I've seen a lot of insane and craven bullshit from you over the
years but this really takes the cake.
--
Barb
trotsky
Oct 14, 2016, 4:50:49 PM10/14/16
to
to play well as an accident.
Arc Michael
Oct 14, 2016, 4:53:36 PM10/14/16
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> Barb
did you see all those rape victums at debate #2, and Rape = OK by Hillaryclinton supporters.
Arc Michael
Oct 14, 2016, 4:59:30 PM10/14/16
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WIKILEAKS: Clinton Camp Worried Clinton Came Off as ‘Bitch’ in Email Interview
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moviePig
Oct 14, 2016, 5:46:17 PM10/14/16
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of illegals. The first one, he might have been in love with...
trotsky
Oct 15, 2016, 5:41:47 AM10/15/16
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trotsky
Oct 15, 2016, 7:10:03 AM10/15/16
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moviePig
Oct 15, 2016, 9:04:05 AM10/15/16
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further invocation.
trotsky
Oct 16, 2016, 10:32:46 AM10/16/16
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On 10/13/16 9:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>
> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
Sure, just like when women "let" you rape them, right Borat?
> In article <ntb98u$1tt$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Barb May" <bar...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump admitted to behavior that amounts to sexual assault.
>
> Well, not really. He said, "If you're a celebrity, they let you do it."
>
> If they're letting him do it, then it's not assault, "Barb May".
FPP
Oct 16, 2016, 4:07:08 PM10/16/16
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over to me, do I still go to jail?
Micky DuPree
Oct 16, 2016, 5:52:02 PM10/16/16
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moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> writes:
> The elephant in the room is that men routinely objectify women. (Does
> a rating from 1 to 10 ring a bell?) And, though to a lesser extent,
> vice versa. I don't see it as a death blow to Trump's candidacy.
There's more than simple objectification in Trump's words. It's natural
that people find some people more physically attractive than others.
Yes, it's crass to routinely downgrade people in one's remarks based on
appearance, but it's still mere opinion and doesn't sink to the level of
a crime.
Forced sexual contact is not routine. It's both a crime, and it's
immoral. Bragging about forced sexual contact is, at least to my
knowledge, not typical "locker-room talk." Sure, a lot of guys like to
brag about having sex with women, but typically they want a James Bond
style fantasy: i.e., the women love it. The women say yes eagerly. The
women even come on to him.
What really puts Trump's remarks beyond the pale is not only that he's
forced sexual contact on women, but also the fact that he's done it
without their consent is part of what makes the experience so great for
him. This is how you tell a sociopath from just another horndog. That
this distinction is lost on so many people is problematic.
However, a lot of conservative men are pulling away from Trump anyway
based on the fact that Trump also bragged about this particular object of
his attentions being married. When it's just single women being groped,
men are often dismissive, but when a predator sets his sights on married
women, then married men feel threatened, and even single men might see
that as a bridge too far (because they respect other men's "property"
rights, not the women themselves).
It was tiresome how many Republican politicians felt they had to preface
their unendorsement of Trump with "I have a wife/mother/sister
/daughter," as if sexual assault against women would be O.K. as long as
no other men had any skin in the game via personal relationship, but on
the bright side, at least some of them were unendorsing Trump.
Before this latest scandal, the only real peel-off issue I could see for
Trump's base was dissing servicepeople, veterans, and their families.
Some Trump followers are obviously going to stick it out with him, but
some aren't taking this new issue well.
-Micky
> The elephant in the room is that men routinely objectify women. (Does
> a rating from 1 to 10 ring a bell?) And, though to a lesser extent,
> vice versa. I don't see it as a death blow to Trump's candidacy.
There's more than simple objectification in Trump's words. It's natural
that people find some people more physically attractive than others.
Yes, it's crass to routinely downgrade people in one's remarks based on
appearance, but it's still mere opinion and doesn't sink to the level of
a crime.
Forced sexual contact is not routine. It's both a crime, and it's
immoral. Bragging about forced sexual contact is, at least to my
knowledge, not typical "locker-room talk." Sure, a lot of guys like to
brag about having sex with women, but typically they want a James Bond
style fantasy: i.e., the women love it. The women say yes eagerly. The
women even come on to him.
What really puts Trump's remarks beyond the pale is not only that he's
forced sexual contact on women, but also the fact that he's done it
without their consent is part of what makes the experience so great for
him. This is how you tell a sociopath from just another horndog. That
this distinction is lost on so many people is problematic.
However, a lot of conservative men are pulling away from Trump anyway
based on the fact that Trump also bragged about this particular object of
his attentions being married. When it's just single women being groped,
men are often dismissive, but when a predator sets his sights on married
women, then married men feel threatened, and even single men might see
that as a bridge too far (because they respect other men's "property"
rights, not the women themselves).
It was tiresome how many Republican politicians felt they had to preface
their unendorsement of Trump with "I have a wife/mother/sister
/daughter," as if sexual assault against women would be O.K. as long as
no other men had any skin in the game via personal relationship, but on
the bright side, at least some of them were unendorsing Trump.
Before this latest scandal, the only real peel-off issue I could see for
Trump's base was dissing servicepeople, veterans, and their families.
Some Trump followers are obviously going to stick it out with him, but
some aren't taking this new issue well.
-Micky
Micky DuPree
Oct 16, 2016, 8:37:07 PM10/16/16
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Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> writes:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016, moviePig wrote:
>> Not to seem insensitive, but the major insight of this revelation
>> (which I wish were its focus) is in confirming Trump's adolescence.
"Adolescence" is letting him off lightly.
> I can't see how he can be elected, and I'm not talking about political
> views.
>
> He comes across as a stereotype of the newly rich, some guy who wins
> the loto and doesn't know how to behave. Far worse than Rodney
> Dangerfield in "Caddyshack". His political views are tainted by a
> very juvenile language and apparently view of the world.
The (de-)evolution of the American power elite seems to go like this:
Starting with the self-styled English country gentlemen in the manner of
noblesse oblige, but without titles, the class that the founding fathers
were drawn from,
to the scions of the founders of late 19th and early 20th century
industrial empires, who wanted to assimilate with the blue bloods of
old,
to today's bizarrely undereducated nouveau riche who simply chase fame,
influence, and social-climbing access for their own sake, e.g., Trump
himself.
Not that the earlier elites were without their faults, but I hope more
of those older-style elites can see fit to make common cause against
this new strain that worships the superficial and the poisonous. Some
people, when they go upwardly mobile, do a self-Pygmalion and embrace
education and the folkways of the middle and upper classes. Others turn
out offspring like Donald, who looked out from Brooklyn to Manhattan,
and didn't want to join them. He wanted to beat them by hook or by
crook.
Back in July, satirist Jon Stewart said (from memory), "'Blue-collar
billionaire'? Donnie, that's not a thing." Stewart's audience cheered,
but to Trump's base, it is a thing. It's what they aspire to when they
buy lottery tickets. It's what they aspire to when they send "seed
money" to prosperity evangelists. It's what some aspire to when they
compete on _American Idol_ or try to break into major league sports.
They think that Trump represents themselves at their full potential.
His crafted image as a blue-collar billionaire keeps hope alive for
them.
But of course, it's a sham. Not even the most successful small-business
owners among them got their start with a million-dollar loan from their
fathers. None of them got to skip out on one huge debt after another.
Trump is not one of them, and he thinks of them as losers. He cheats
the blue-collar people he has business dealings with because he knows
they can't afford the legal fees to take him to court. But they still
think of him as their guy, because he panders to their aggrieved
blue-collar white (usually male) identity politics.
-Micky
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016, moviePig wrote:
>> Not to seem insensitive, but the major insight of this revelation
>> (which I wish were its focus) is in confirming Trump's adolescence.
> I can't see how he can be elected, and I'm not talking about political
> views.
>
> He comes across as a stereotype of the newly rich, some guy who wins
> the loto and doesn't know how to behave. Far worse than Rodney
> Dangerfield in "Caddyshack". His political views are tainted by a
> very juvenile language and apparently view of the world.
The (de-)evolution of the American power elite seems to go like this:
Starting with the self-styled English country gentlemen in the manner of
noblesse oblige, but without titles, the class that the founding fathers
were drawn from,
to the scions of the founders of late 19th and early 20th century
industrial empires, who wanted to assimilate with the blue bloods of
old,
to today's bizarrely undereducated nouveau riche who simply chase fame,
influence, and social-climbing access for their own sake, e.g., Trump
himself.
Not that the earlier elites were without their faults, but I hope more
of those older-style elites can see fit to make common cause against
this new strain that worships the superficial and the poisonous. Some
people, when they go upwardly mobile, do a self-Pygmalion and embrace
education and the folkways of the middle and upper classes. Others turn
out offspring like Donald, who looked out from Brooklyn to Manhattan,
and didn't want to join them. He wanted to beat them by hook or by
crook.
Back in July, satirist Jon Stewart said (from memory), "'Blue-collar
billionaire'? Donnie, that's not a thing." Stewart's audience cheered,
but to Trump's base, it is a thing. It's what they aspire to when they
buy lottery tickets. It's what they aspire to when they send "seed
money" to prosperity evangelists. It's what some aspire to when they
compete on _American Idol_ or try to break into major league sports.
They think that Trump represents themselves at their full potential.
His crafted image as a blue-collar billionaire keeps hope alive for
them.
But of course, it's a sham. Not even the most successful small-business
owners among them got their start with a million-dollar loan from their
fathers. None of them got to skip out on one huge debt after another.
Trump is not one of them, and he thinks of them as losers. He cheats
the blue-collar people he has business dealings with because he knows
they can't afford the legal fees to take him to court. But they still
think of him as their guy, because he panders to their aggrieved
blue-collar white (usually male) identity politics.
-Micky
moviePig
Oct 17, 2016, 10:51:38 AM10/17/16
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braggart' and a 'locker-room *criminal* braggart'. But you're also
right that the distinction's largely lost on his public. Sadly, I'll
guess its main effect will be a further down-ratcheting of whatever
acceptability standards his supporters yet maintain.
BTR1701
Oct 17, 2016, 3:18:09 PM10/17/16
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In article <ntqpjc$bpp$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2016-10-14 14:07:58 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
> >
> > But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
> >
> >> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
> >> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
> >
> > If it's a crime, it's a crime when done once. And if it's not a crime,
> > doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
>
> Do you EVER listen to yourself?
>
> It is a crime. It's a crime if you do it once. Unwanted actions for
> the purpose of sexual gratification is a crime, unless the two parties
> are consenting.
Which is exactly what I said. If the women let him do it, then they've
consented.
wrote:
> On 2016-10-14 14:07:58 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
> >
> > But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
> >
> >> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
> >> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
> >
> > If it's a crime, it's a crime when done once. And if it's not a crime,
> > doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
>
> Do you EVER listen to yourself?
>
> It is a crime. It's a crime if you do it once. Unwanted actions for
> the purpose of sexual gratification is a crime, unless the two parties
> are consenting.
consented.
BTR1701
Oct 17, 2016, 3:18:09 PM10/17/16
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In article <5800ecae$0$61725$c3e8da3$e074...@news.astraweb.com>,
No, the first time is shoplifting also.
Barb May
Oct 17, 2016, 3:56:35 PM10/17/16
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inferred from the mere absence of an objection.
--
Barb
moviePig
Oct 17, 2016, 5:04:04 PM10/17/16
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moviePig
Oct 17, 2016, 5:06:07 PM10/17/16
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On 10/17/2016 3:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
noun: shoplifting
the criminal action of stealing goods from a shop while pretending
to be a customer.
BTR1701
Oct 17, 2016, 5:07:35 PM10/17/16
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In article <58053c5b$0$57950$c3e8da3$c8b7...@news.astraweb.com>,
The law doesn't examine motive. If she says yes or gives other indicia
of consent, it's not a crime.
of consent, it's not a crime.
BTR1701
Oct 17, 2016, 5:25:46 PM10/17/16
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Adam H. Kerman
Oct 17, 2016, 5:28:48 PM10/17/16
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committed shoplifting on ten different occassions by "forgetting to pay
for an item". Even on the first occassion, it was shoplifting.
FPP
Oct 17, 2016, 5:47:36 PM10/17/16
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consent. He admitted he doesn't wait for it.
His own words, counselor. He's the BEST witness against himself an
attorney could EVER wish for.
--
Trump on Gropeghazi: "These things never happened, and furthermore,
they never happened a long time ago." - Farhad Manjoo
FPP
Oct 17, 2016, 5:49:42 PM10/17/16
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does - in HIS mind, anyway. He's said it. On tape.
FPP
Oct 17, 2016, 5:52:02 PM10/17/16
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Mostly because it usually renders his argument un-winnable.
BTR1701
Oct 17, 2016, 6:34:55 PM10/17/16
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In article <nu3gt2$ot4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
have.
wrote:
> On 2016-10-17 15:19:54 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ntqpjc$bpp$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-10-14 14:07:58 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> >>
> >>> In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >>> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
> >>>
> >>> But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
> >>>
> >>>> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
> >>>> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
> >>>
> >>> If it's a crime, it's a crime when done once. And if it's not a crime,
> >>> doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
> >>
> >> Do you EVER listen to yourself?
> >>
> >> It is a crime. It's a crime if you do it once. Unwanted actions for
> >> the purpose of sexual gratification is a crime, unless the two parties
> >> are consenting.
> >
> > Which is exactly what I said. If the women let him do it, then they've
> > consented.
>
> And if you "just do it" "I don't even wait" - then there is NO
> consent. He admitted he doesn't wait for it.
>
> His own words, counselor. He's the BEST witness against himself an
> attorney could EVER wish for.
Good luck prosecuting someone for that if that's all the evidence you
> On 2016-10-17 15:19:54 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ntqpjc$bpp$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-10-14 14:07:58 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> >>
> >>> In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >>> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
> >>>
> >>> But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
> >>>
> >>>> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
> >>>> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
> >>>
> >>> If it's a crime, it's a crime when done once. And if it's not a crime,
> >>> doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
> >>
> >> Do you EVER listen to yourself?
> >>
> >> It is a crime. It's a crime if you do it once. Unwanted actions for
> >> the purpose of sexual gratification is a crime, unless the two parties
> >> are consenting.
> >
> > Which is exactly what I said. If the women let him do it, then they've
> > consented.
>
> And if you "just do it" "I don't even wait" - then there is NO
> consent. He admitted he doesn't wait for it.
>
> His own words, counselor. He's the BEST witness against himself an
> attorney could EVER wish for.
have.
BTR1701
Oct 17, 2016, 6:35:58 PM10/17/16
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In article <58053d3c$0$56168$c3e8da3$b135...@news.astraweb.com>,
again, then it's stealing the first time also.
moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On 10/17/2016 3:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <5800ecae$0$61725$c3e8da3$e074...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/14/2016 10:07 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >>> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
> >>>
> >>> But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
> >>
> >> Assuming your point is something other than my "sexist" phrasing, I
> >> don't understand.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
> >>>> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
> >>>
> >>> If it's a crime, it's a crime when done once. And if it's not a crime,
> >>> doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
> >>
> >> The first time you forget to pay for an item is an accident, the tenth
> >> time is shoplifting...
> >
> > No, the first time is shoplifting also.
>
> Well, no...
Well, yes. If you're positing someone doing the same act over and over
> On 10/17/2016 3:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <5800ecae$0$61725$c3e8da3$e074...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/14/2016 10:07 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <5800dee1$0$2519$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >>> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ethically, you can't screw someone who *might* feel she can't say no.
> >>>
> >>> But ethically you can do it to someone who might feel he can't say no?
> >>
> >> Assuming your point is something other than my "sexist" phrasing, I
> >> don't understand.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> And if you make a habit of it, I'd think any good state's attorney
> >>>> could somehow muster a criminal proceeding.
> >>>
> >>> If it's a crime, it's a crime when done once. And if it's not a crime,
> >>> doing it a bunch of times doesn't turn it into one.
> >>
> >> The first time you forget to pay for an item is an accident, the tenth
> >> time is shoplifting...
> >
> > No, the first time is shoplifting also.
>
> Well, no...
again, then it's stealing the first time also.
FPP
Oct 17, 2016, 6:50:39 PM10/17/16
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any prosecution to be had, most likely.
That doesn't negate the fact of anything I said, though. A witness
like Trump is a dream for the prosecution.
And, yeah... it it ever went to trial, I think he'd be convicted by his
own words and actions. Ask Bill Cosby.
moviePig
Oct 17, 2016, 6:52:50 PM10/17/16
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BTR1701
Oct 17, 2016, 6:57:18 PM10/17/16
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In article <nu3kj8$51h$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
And even if it hadn't, if that's all you had-- some guy boasting about
being an ass to women-- as I said, good luck in court.
being an ass to women-- as I said, good luck in court.
Barb May
Oct 17, 2016, 8:56:36 PM10/17/16
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Trump isn't just a celebrity. He is a very powerful businessman who has
control over the careers of thousands.
--
Barb
FPP
Oct 17, 2016, 9:11:34 PM10/17/16
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him... he could use you to represent him.
--
I have to admit, in the First Presidential Debate, Hillary Clinton did
"women's work".
She absolutely mopped the floor with Trump...
BTR1701
Oct 17, 2016, 10:11:14 PM10/17/16
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In article <nu3srf$p4q$2...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
Why would it be? He's not boasting about having been as ass to women.
Tom Benton
Oct 18, 2016, 5:56:36 AM10/18/16
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Trump indicate that he sought it.
__________________________________________________
"It's just a flying saucer, Ed...We gotta go!"
Peggy Blumquist
Tom Benton
Oct 18, 2016, 6:00:18 AM10/18/16
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repetition being stated or implied in the definition.
trotsky
Oct 18, 2016, 7:16:33 AM10/18/16
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public opinion and Trump has lost the election?
Lesmond
Oct 18, 2016, 11:50:05 AM10/18/16
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shoplifting. Except once they realized they could get away with it...
All right, how about this: I was buying lottery tickets and put my $10 into
the machine. I wasn't paying too much attention, although it seemed like an
awful lot of tickets when I gathered them. I got to the car and looked at
them. I had over $25 worth of lottery tickets. I asked my son (who was 12
at the time) what he thought I should do. He told me very confidently that
I needed to give them back.
20 minutes later, two managers, a call to the lottery commission, the
machine being unplugged - one of the managers even suggested that I "forgot"
how much money I put into the machine - I went on my way with the 10 bucks
worth of tickets I had paid for.
I have told this story dozens of times and have never spoken to anyone who
thought I should have bothered, that I should have kept the tickets.
Including someone who drove back to the store to pay for a stray 50 cent can
of pineapple.
Had I been alone? I don't know. I was torn and already late to the party
where the tickets were planned as part of a gift.
What would you have done? Is it a lesser crime? Should I have taken the
time?
--
She may contain the urge to run away
But hold her down with soggy clothes and breeze blocks
BTR1701
Oct 18, 2016, 12:15:35 PM10/18/16
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In article <yrfzbaqirevmbaar...@192.168.0.6>,
a case of someone doing the same thing over and over, and moviePig has
moved the goalposts.
Conversely, if the first time isn't inadvertent, then the first time is
stealing just as much as the tenth time.
And while a store owner might decline to press charges if you can
convince him/her of your lack of intent, it's still technically stealing
regardless.
> All right, how about this: I was buying lottery tickets and put my $10 into
> the machine. I wasn't paying too much attention, although it seemed like an
> awful lot of tickets when I gathered them. I got to the car and looked at
> them. I had over $25 worth of lottery tickets. I asked my son (who was 12
> at the time) what he thought I should do. He told me very confidently that
> I needed to give them back.
>
> 20 minutes later, two managers, a call to the lottery commission, the
> machine being unplugged - one of the managers even suggested that I "forgot"
> how much money I put into the machine - I went on my way with the 10 bucks
> worth of tickets I had paid for.
>
> I have told this story dozens of times and have never spoken to anyone who
> thought I should have bothered, that I should have kept the tickets.
> Including someone who drove back to the store to pay for a stray 50 cent can
> of pineapple.
>
> Had I been alone? I don't know. I was torn and already late to the party
> where the tickets were planned as part of a gift.
>
> What would you have done? Is it a lesser crime? Should I have taken the
> time?
That's an interesting scenario, but it's not one that has any relation
to the situation moviePig described.
"Lesmond" <les...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:37:45 -0700, BTR1701 wrote:
>
> >In article <58053d3c$0$56168$c3e8da3$b135...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/17/2016 3:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >> > In article <5800ecae$0$61725$c3e8da3$e074...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >> > moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> The first time you forget to pay for an item is an accident, the tenth
> >> >> time is shoplifting...
> >> >
> >> > No, the first time is shoplifting also.
> >>
> >> Well, no...
> >
> >Well, yes. If you're positing someone doing the same act over and over
> >again, then it's stealing the first time also.
>
> Assuming the first time is inadvertent, I wouldn't consider that
> shoplifting.
If the first time is inadvertent, but the others are not, then it's not
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:37:45 -0700, BTR1701 wrote:
>
> >In article <58053d3c$0$56168$c3e8da3$b135...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/17/2016 3:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >> > In article <5800ecae$0$61725$c3e8da3$e074...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >> > moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> The first time you forget to pay for an item is an accident, the tenth
> >> >> time is shoplifting...
> >> >
> >> > No, the first time is shoplifting also.
> >>
> >> Well, no...
> >
> >Well, yes. If you're positing someone doing the same act over and over
> >again, then it's stealing the first time also.
>
> Assuming the first time is inadvertent, I wouldn't consider that
> shoplifting.
a case of someone doing the same thing over and over, and moviePig has
moved the goalposts.
Conversely, if the first time isn't inadvertent, then the first time is
stealing just as much as the tenth time.
And while a store owner might decline to press charges if you can
convince him/her of your lack of intent, it's still technically stealing
regardless.
> All right, how about this: I was buying lottery tickets and put my $10 into
> the machine. I wasn't paying too much attention, although it seemed like an
> awful lot of tickets when I gathered them. I got to the car and looked at
> them. I had over $25 worth of lottery tickets. I asked my son (who was 12
> at the time) what he thought I should do. He told me very confidently that
> I needed to give them back.
>
> 20 minutes later, two managers, a call to the lottery commission, the
> machine being unplugged - one of the managers even suggested that I "forgot"
> how much money I put into the machine - I went on my way with the 10 bucks
> worth of tickets I had paid for.
>
> I have told this story dozens of times and have never spoken to anyone who
> thought I should have bothered, that I should have kept the tickets.
> Including someone who drove back to the store to pay for a stray 50 cent can
> of pineapple.
>
> Had I been alone? I don't know. I was torn and already late to the party
> where the tickets were planned as part of a gift.
>
> What would you have done? Is it a lesser crime? Should I have taken the
> time?
to the situation moviePig described.
Lesmond
Oct 18, 2016, 12:30:05 PM10/18/16
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Alzheimer's.
Forgive me for (never heard of before) thread drift.
But, I think if I walked away with the tickets it would clearly be stealing.
I haven't yet met anyone (except my son) who felt the same way.
I ask again: What would YOU have done?
And that "you" can work for anyone. I've been fascinated by this for years.
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