OT -- Brokeback Mountain
Anthony D. Langford
been excellent, which is shocking to me, frankly. But as I don't know
anyone who lives in New York, L.A. or San Fran, no one I know has seen
it yet and I'm not sure when it'll be playing in my town. Luckily, I'm
visiting NYC over the weekend so I'll catch it while I'm there. Just
curious if anyone here has seen it yet and what they thought. And while
I've read the book and I know what happens (the movie is reportedly very
faithful to the book), no spoilers please.
Anthony
SFJason
SOLD OUT! I will definitely see it this weekend. Two of my friends
that saw it raved about how good the acting was.
SFJason
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <1134516255.6...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
> I live in San Francisco and I wanted to see it last weekend but it was
> SOLD OUT! I will definitely see it this weekend. Two of my friends
> that saw it raved about how good the acting was. <<
I think it'll hit wide distribution pretty fast, what with all the good
press. I'm astonished that I can't see it anywhere in Philadelphia yet!
Aisling
FAC Will Cortlandt
Jewelled Frango 2001
Patricia Wadley
the local movie reviewer wrote a really pretentious review of it. In
short, he liked the movie. But, I don't think it is the second coming.
No pun intended.
I think it is a movie which is not for the normal 18+ male crowd. No
drugs, no car chases, no shootings, no screaming music, no cussing, in
short, it is a movie for adults about adults dealing with their lives in
the best way that they can.
I, for one, cannot wait to see it. Please let me know what you think.
my2cents
p
Marlene Blanshay
not a 'makeout, movie' for couples. I think women will like it more than
men because it's a love story and has two great looking guys. One thing
for sure, the George Bushes of the world are going to skip it and go see
"The family stone" or something.
record...@gmail.com
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <9t0vp15ph9lg9h691...@4ax.com>):
> On 13 Dec 2005 18:17:44 -0800, record...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> A friend told me it opens on Friday in DC.
>
> It opens here in the Phila area on Friday too. <<
Really? Good! I couldn't get Fandango.com to cough up showings for me for
the weekend.
Vox Singularis
wasn't it a short story? Anyway, it is my third most eagerly
anticipated film of 2005. I just read the short story
(http://www.newyorker.com/archive/content/articles/051212fr_archive01)
and heard the screenwriter's interview on NPR this weekend
(http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5046849)
I am always intrigued at how well or poorly a work of writing
translates to film. This short story was so elegantly written and I
hope the film does it justice.
Debbie
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <rr2vp1taflt0iqk75...@4ax.com>):
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:49:08 GMT, Aisling Willow Grey
> <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:30:19 -0500, Queenie wrote
>> (in article <9t0vp15ph9lg9h691...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> On 13 Dec 2005 18:17:44 -0800, record...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> A friend told me it opens on Friday in DC.
>>>
>>> It opens here in the Phila area on Friday too. <<
>>
>> Really? Good! I couldn't get Fandango.com to cough up showings for me for
>> the weekend.
>
> IIRC, it's only opening at the two "art" theatres, The Ritz in center
> city Philly and the Ritz Sixteen in Vorhees NJ.<<
Dang! I looked on ritzfilmbill.com and didn't see it listed! Thanks,
Queenie.
Marlene Blanshay
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:18:46 -0500, "Anthony D. Langford"
> <anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Netflix unless somebody I know tells me it's a great film. So much of
> what we see these days is just hype to get people into the theatres
> during that first week for the big debut before word trickles out that
> the movies sucks.
>
Or even if it doesn't suck, it's like "HUH?" It's not bad but not all
that praiseworthy. About half the movies I see are like that.
Grace Noble
nearly the attention that Ledger has, although Ledger's role is more
complex. Both give remarkable performances, though I'm biased about Jake.
He's been a favorite of mine since "Donnie Darko" and "The Good Girl." The
boy just turned 25 this week and I think he is one of the most gifted and
layered actors around today.
Don't expect to see any straight men in the audience, which is a sad
reflection on the depth of homophobia in our society. Too bad because they
will be missing one of the best movies of the year.
Oh, nd bring kleenex. It's a heartwrencher.
Susan Barnett
anthonyd...@comcast.net wrote on 12/14/05 6:18 AM:
> This movie is gobbling up awards and nominations and the reviews have
> been excellent, which is shocking to me, frankly.
Why are you shocked, Anthony? Ang Lee is a fantastic director, they had a
script by Larry McMurtry, and Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal in the leads.
I was expecting it to be great!
But as I don't know
> anyone who lives in New York, L.A. or San Fran, no one I know has seen
> it yet and I'm not sure when it'll be playing in my town.
I just read in the latest Entertainment Weekly that it has done incredible
box office numbers in the few cities it's currently being shown. So I think
it'll roll out to the rest of the country pretty quickly.
Luckily, I'm
> visiting NYC over the weekend so I'll catch it while I'm there. Just
> curious if anyone here has seen it yet and what they thought. And while
> I've read the book and I know what happens (the movie is reportedly very
> faithful to the book), no spoilers please.
I can't wait to see it, but probably won't get to it until after Christmas.
I'll tell you one thing, though -- I'm already SICK of the stupid,
sophomoric jokes about the movie on all the talk shows. So dumb and
juvenile.
Susan
dmitri
can't wait to see this movie, but I will wait until it comes to
Netflix unless somebody I know tells me it's a great film.
I've also heard that it was very faithful to the short story it's based
on and if that's the case it's bound to be great. I've read the story.
Bawled like a baby at two points in the story. Sigh.
Douglas
Iowa City, FAC Dimitri's goatee
T. David Bamford
Not being interested in a gay love story does not equal homophobia.
Thank you.
David
Grace Noble
"T. David Bamford" <tdbamford2...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:439ff358...@news.adelphia.net...
David, you know perfectly well that at least 80% of the men out there would
react at the suggest of seeing "Brokeback Mountain" with a look of horror
and a reaction of scorn, usually followed by something like "I'm not going
to any god-damned fag movie."
I worked with people with HIV/AIDS for 20 years and I can tell you there is
a sad truth in the riddle: You know what a fag is? He's that nice gay
gentleman that just left the room.
FWIW, "Brokeback Mountain" is way more than a gay love story. It is about
two men who love their wives and children and how one in particular
struggles so hard to not give in to his feelings for the other guy because
of his upbringing, his family, his morals, his environment, etc. and how
this affair affects all their lives, including their wives over twenty
years. It's really quite amazing. As for the homo-sex, there's probably less
than 60 seconds of any actual man-on-man touching in the whole film, but
that's enough to have it reduced to being called simply a "gay cowboy movie"
by the mainstream press. It's like calling "Titanic" an iceberg movie.
Carol Frilegh
<record...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A friend told me it opens on Friday in DC.
>
Make that AC/DC
Carol Frilegh
Blanshay <blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> Queenie wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:18:46 -0500, "Anthony D. Langford"
> > <anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
>
> > I can't wait to see this movie, but I will wait until it comes to
> > Netflix unless somebody I know tells me it's a great film. So much of
> > what we see these days is just hype to get people into the theatres
> > during that first week for the big debut before word trickles out that
> > the movies sucks.
Please keep a civil tongue in your head!
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <439ff358...@news.adelphia.net>):
True dat. I'd also like to add that I know at least a handful of straight
men who plan on seeing it. I suppose though, in many places they will be in
the minority in the audiences, but that's no different from straight guys not
going to see chick flicks in droves, and any other group not going out to see
'special interest group' movies in droves. I didn't go see The Original
Kings of Comedy or Barbershop, but that doesn't make me a racist.
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <suVnf.3855$Kk7.1288@trndny05>):
>
> "T. David Bamford" <tdbamford2...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:439ff358...@news.adelphia.net...
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:57:46 GMT, "Grace Noble"
>> <grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic and touching film. I'm annoyed that Gyllenhall hasn't received
>>> nearly the attention that Ledger has, although Ledger's role is more
>>> complex. Both give remarkable performances, though I'm biased about Jake.
>>> He's been a favorite of mine since "Donnie Darko" and "The Good Girl." The
>>> boy just turned 25 this week and I think he is one of the most gifted and
>>> layered actors around today.
>>>
>>> Don't expect to see any straight men in the audience, which is a sad
>>> reflection on the depth of homophobia in our society. Too bad because they
>>> will be missing one of the best movies of the year.
>>>
>>> Oh, nd bring kleenex. It's a heartwrencher.
>>
>> Not being interested in a gay love story does not equal homophobia.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> David
>
> David, you know perfectly well that at least 80% of the men out there would
> react at the suggest of seeing "Brokeback Mountain" with a look of horror
> and a reaction of scorn, usually followed by something like "I'm not going
> to any god-damned fag movie." <<
I guess it depends on the crowd you run with. Most of the men I know -
married, straight - would go see it because it's such a highly-regarded good
film.
Also, when you say "80% of the men out there," I think you meant to say "80%
of the _straight_ men out there." Or maybe even "80% of the straight men in
red states out there." :-)
>> I worked with people with HIV/AIDS for 20 years and I can tell you there is
> a sad truth in the riddle: You know what a fag is? He's that nice gay
> gentleman that just left the room. <<
I have a pretty broad and alll-encompassing sense of humor (I enjoy both
Gilbert & Sullivan and South Park, just to give you two examples on the outer
verges), and I don't even get that.
>> As for the homo-sex,<<
Wow. It would never occur to me to segregate that out from "sex" in general
when describing the movie to someone. So I guess that places "Bound" firmly
in the camp of "lesbo-sex" in your book?
Grace Noble
"Aisling Willow Grey" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BFC5969F...@news.verizon.net...
You've obviously never been in this kind of minority or you would know that
it is indeed the red state folks (which make up 80% of the US if not more)
that feel VERY strongly in defining gay and lesbian sex differently than
their sexual relations. I'm not one of them, Aisling, so please don't
interpret my pointing out how I have seen people react in homophobic ways to
my being homophobic. I've been fighting homophobia for 30 years and I've
seen shit you wouldn't believe. All you have to do is recall the looney
tunes who showed up at Matthew Shephard's funeral (among dozens of others
who have died of AIDS) with their signs and bullhorns to be reminded of the
kind of crap that goes on daily, unreported, in the US and Canada.
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <_JWnf.3149$Bj4.3023@trndny01>):
It just so happens that I do have firsthand experience with discrimination,
although not based on sexual orientation. And it's not like I'm living under
a rock - I do know what goes on out there. But obviously I misinterpreted
your statements. It's just that the way you phrased some of the things you
said - culminating in "homo-sex" - set off some alarms for me. Sorry to have
misunderstood what it was you were trying to say (or how you were trying to
say it).
Xan
I heard on Countdown that the film is deliberately being released
slowly, starting with only five theaters, then 25, then more, because
with the recent emphasis on religious films, the producers are concerned
that the subject matter will be offensive to many movie-goers. Full
release will not occur until sometime in January. That's why it's
difficult to find the film in your hometown.
Xan
Laney
"Grace Noble" <grace...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_JWnf.3149$Bj4.3023@trndny01...
I know it may seem like 80% of people, or seem like
all of "the red state folks" when you're the one in the
minority, but it's really insulting to the vast number of
people, including conservatives, in those areas, who
are not crazy, homophobic, bigoted, or cruel. Are
there a bunch who are? Sure. (But there are a bunch
in the "blue states", too.) And the fact that they are
really loud tends to grab a lot of attention. But to
assume that people feel that way because of where
they live, or their religious affiliation, or even because
of their political preference, is just as insulting as making
generalizations about people because they are homosexual.
Laney
Marlene Blanshay
I think for a lot of guys, even if they aren't necessarily homophobic,
are probably a bit sqeamish about 'that kind of thing.' it's like
"black" movies. They probably attract a more black audience, but it's
not so much about hatred- people also like to see things they are
comfortable with, share experiences with and can relate to. Of course,
most guys have no trouble seeing gay movies if it shows two WOMEN, but
that's a whole nother story,....
Marlene Blanshay
doubt there are those who do.
Marlene Blanshay
oy...
Dana Carpender
Grace Noble wrote:
I'd be willing to bet I could get my husband to watch it, and he's
straight. He's just not at all macho nor homophobic.
Dana
Dana Carpender
T. David Bamford wrote:
Have to agree. Love stories in general have long been considered "chick
flicks."
Dana
Dana Carpender
Grace Noble wrote:
No, they don't. They occupy more ground, but in terms of actual
numbers, red and blue are divided roughly 50-50. The red states only
make up 80% or more of the US if you believe that 1 person in Montana is
somehow worth more than one person in New York City.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Laney wrote:
>
>
> I know it may seem like 80% of people, or seem like
> all of "the red state folks" when you're the one in the
> minority, but it's really insulting to the vast number of
> people, including conservatives, in those areas, who
> are not crazy, homophobic, bigoted, or cruel. Are
> there a bunch who are? Sure. (But there are a bunch
> in the "blue states", too.) And the fact that they are
> really loud tends to grab a lot of attention. But to
> assume that people feel that way because of where
> they live, or their religious affiliation, or even because
> of their political preference, is just as insulting as making
> generalizations about people because they are homosexual.
>
>
This is true, too. Example: I wrote here recently about my pal Tonya,
who is Pentacostal. Years ago, her son Mike, who was then in high
school, told me that his youth pastor had told them that, sure, the
Bible said homosexuality was a sin, but that it also said we were all
sinners, that there was nothing to indicate that homosexuality was a
worse sin than, say, fornication, or divorce, and no one could say that
gay folks weren't going to Heaven like everyone else.
I thought that was a reasonably enlightened attitude.
Dana
Nicola
>
> I have a pretty broad and alll-encompassing sense of humor (I enjoy both
> Gilbert & Sullivan and South Park, just to give you two examples on the outer
> verges), and I don't even get that.
>
I have the most sincerest desire to see this film and am really looking
forward to it even if I can't convince my homo-phobic boyfriend to
accompany me. But, your reference to South Park is quite ironic. If
you recall the episode where the film festival comes to South Park
(perhaps best known for the Chef's Salty Chocolate Balls) then you
might remember that Cartman thinks all "art" films are about gay
cowboys eating pudding. I don't know if there is any pudding in this
film or not. If indeed there is, Cartman might be on to something.
Nicola
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <1134589862.7...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I actually heard a reviewer - it may even have been on NPR - mention this
very episode. The guy suggested that film could in fact use more pudding!
Meaning, more messiness. Too funny, to think that snooty literati indy film
reviewers are looking to Cartman for inspiration and direction! :-)
Dana Carpender
Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
Are you saying they respect his authori-tie?
Dana
T. David Bamford
<grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>"T. David Bamford" <tdbamford2...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>news:439ff358...@news.adelphia.net...
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:57:46 GMT, "Grace Noble"
>> <grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Fantastic and touching film. I'm annoyed that Gyllenhall hasn't received
>>>nearly the attention that Ledger has, although Ledger's role is more
>>>complex. Both give remarkable performances, though I'm biased about Jake.
>>>He's been a favorite of mine since "Donnie Darko" and "The Good Girl." The
>>>boy just turned 25 this week and I think he is one of the most gifted and
>>>layered actors around today.
>>>
>>>Don't expect to see any straight men in the audience, which is a sad
>>>reflection on the depth of homophobia in our society. Too bad because they
>>>will be missing one of the best movies of the year.
>>>
>>>Oh, nd bring kleenex. It's a heartwrencher.
>>
>> Not being interested in a gay love story does not equal homophobia.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> David
>
>David, you know perfectly well that at least 80% of the men out there would
>react at the suggest of seeing "Brokeback Mountain" with a look of horror
>and a reaction of scorn, usually followed by something like "I'm not going
>to any god-damned fag movie."
I would go if I were dating a woman that just *had* to see it. I'm a
good sport when it comes to that sorta thing. I'm not "horrified",
just disinterested. Most of my movie experiences right now are via
the trusty DVD player and alone. (Not seeing anyone at present).
I'm not downing the movie. In fact, I'm glad it was made and I hope
it does well; not just in awards and critical praise, but BIG box
office receipts. Anything that makes the neo-con knuckle-draggers and
the religious impositionists froth at the mouth is A-OK in my book.
It's just not my cup of tea. I may see it in the future if
convenient.
>I worked with people with HIV/AIDS for 20 years and I can tell you there is
>a sad truth in the riddle: You know what a fag is? He's that nice gay
>gentleman that just left the room.
Sure, just sub out spic, n*&&er, chink, etc... Any form of cowardly
bigotry is like that. Polite and cordial, with a dagger hidden behind
the back.
I was on the other side of the fence for 15 years or better. I was
involved in a militantly fundamentalist church that regarded folks
like Falwell and Robertson as "pussy-footing liberals". Trust me, I'm
not proud of that time in my life. Just like any cultic group, they
offered a sense of belonging to something larger than one's self.
That's a powerful incentive.
The "gay thing" was one of *many* reasons I rejected and repudiated
these guys (it's a men's club, make no mistake) and their three-headed
bronze-age deity in the later part of the nineties. It was a long and
torturous process, but I won't go into it here.
I fight these bastards tooth and nail whenever I get the chance. I'll
be damned if I'm going to let anyone lump me in with 'em. Sorry,
Grace.
>FWIW, "Brokeback Mountain" is way more than a gay love story. It is about
>two men who love their wives and children and how one in particular
>struggles so hard to not give in to his feelings for the other guy because
>of his upbringing, his family, his morals, his environment, etc. and how
>this affair affects all their lives, including their wives over twenty
>years. It's really quite amazing.
Any man - or woman for that matter - that lives a life in which they
are not true to who they truly are will pay heavily for that choice.
I know. (Experience talking here). Call it what you will... denial,
self-deception, living a lie... it will devastate your life and the
lives of those close to you. That's not a "gay thing". It's a "human
thing". I get it. Really.
>As for the homo-sex, there's probably less
>than 60 seconds of any actual man-on-man touching in the whole film, but
>that's enough to have it reduced to being called simply a "gay cowboy movie"
>by the mainstream press. It's like calling "Titanic" an iceberg movie.
Whatever. It's not an issue with me. I don't get queasy or agitated
at male on male PDA's. I'm neither attracted or repulsed. Oh, and I
don't get excited over girl/girl stuff either, so I must be really
strange(?). It's just life and just people. Not my business.
Just remember, Grace, veteran cops tend to see everyone as liars
because they are lied to every day on the job. Retail people tend to
see everyone as assholes because they deal with them all day long.
I'm sure you have had your fill of dealing with bigots and homophobes
over the years, but just remember that you may be a wee bit
oversensitive in that regard.
David, not Roger Ebert ;-)
SFJason
the episode where the film festival comes to South Park
>(perhaps best known for the Chef's Salty Chocolate Balls) then you
>might remember that Cartman thinks all "art" films are about gay
>cowboys eating pudding. I don't know if there is any pudding in this
>film or not. If indeed there is, Cartman might be on to something
I have seen that episode of South Park and it was hilarious. I think
the film festival was supposed to be Sundance. I saw an interview with
Trey Parker and Matt Stone (creators of South Park) recently on TV
Guide online, I think. They were asked that very question and they
joked about how Cartman was prophetic. Matt Stone joked that if the
Brokeback Mountain gay cowboys eat any pudding in the movie he was
going to sue. It was a funny article.
SFJason
T. David Bamford
Thank you!
David, and you're welcome
T. David Bamford
I don't watch "Lifetime" much either!
David, guy
T. David Bamford
>are probably a bit sqeamish about 'that kind of thing.' it's like
>"black" movies. They probably attract a more black audience, but it's
>not so much about hatred- people also like to see things they are
>comfortable with, share experiences with and can relate to. Of course,
>most guys have no trouble seeing gay movies if it shows two WOMEN, but
>that's a whole nother story,....
I've never understood that (male attraction to lesbian action). Even
as a teen who snuck into pornos in Times Square (it was the 70's
folks... rite of passage) I didn't "get" why they snuck those scenes
into EVERY one of 'em. Does nuthin' for me at all.
David, clueless
T. David Bamford
>I'd be willing to bet I could get my husband to watch it, and he's
>straight. He's just not at all macho nor homophobic.
>
>Dana
I've already stated that I would take a lady if she were disposed to
go. Not a big deal.
David, I could always nap
Dana Carpender
T. David Bamford wrote:
>>I'd be willing to bet I could get my husband to watch it, and he's
>>straight. He's just not at all macho nor homophobic.
>>
>>Dana
>
>
> I've already stated that I would take a lady if she were disposed to
> go. Not a big deal.
>
>
Yep. Just making the point that my husband definitely doesn't lean to
movies with car chases and crashes or lots of gun-play. Indeed, human
stories -- often considered chick-flicks -- often hold his attention.
He liked Gods and Monsters, for instance.
Dana
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <43a07f8...@news.adelphia.net>):
>
> I was on the other side of the fence for 15 years or better. I was
> involved in a militantly fundamentalist church that regarded folks
> like Falwell and Robertson as "pussy-footing liberals". Trust me, I'm
> not proud of that time in my life. Just like any cultic group, they
> offered a sense of belonging to something larger than one's self.
> That's a powerful incentive.
>
> The "gay thing" was one of *many* reasons I rejected and repudiated
> these guys (it's a men's club, make no mistake) and their three-headed
> bronze-age deity in the later part of the nineties. It was a long and
> torturous process, but I won't go into it here.<<
Congrats on getting out, David.
T. David Bamford
>> involved in a militantly fundamentalist church that regarded folks
>> like Falwell and Robertson as "pussy-footing liberals". Trust me, I'm
>> not proud of that time in my life. Just like any cultic group, they
>> offered a sense of belonging to something larger than one's self.
>> That's a powerful incentive.
>>
>> The "gay thing" was one of *many* reasons I rejected and repudiated
>> these guys (it's a men's club, make no mistake) and their three-headed
>> bronze-age deity in the later part of the nineties. It was a long and
>> torturous process, but I won't go into it here.<<
>Congrats on getting out, David.
>
>Aisling
Thanks. It only cost me every material thing I owned, my wife and my
son.
David, but worth it
Cheri
--
Cheri
Susan Barnett wrote in message ...
>I can't wait to see it, but probably won't get to it until after
Christmas.
>I'll tell you one thing, though -- I'm already SICK of the stupid,
>sophomoric jokes about the movie on all the talk shows. So dumb and
>juvenile.
>
>Susan
Since talk shows are always dumb and juvenile, I'm not surprised. :-)
Cheri
>
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <43a09a46...@news.adelphia.net>):
Wow. Just...wow.
(patting you on the shoulders and sending a hug)
Dana Carpender
T. David Bamford wrote:
Wow. I'm sorry it cost you so much, but glad you've got your self and
your soul back.
Dana
Mary B
tdbamford2...@adelphia.net (T. David Bamford) wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:54:32 GMT, "Grace Noble"
> <grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"T. David Bamford" <tdbamford2...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> >news:439ff358...@news.adelphia.net...
> >> Not being interested in a gay love story does not equal homophobia.
> >David, you know perfectly well that at least 80% of the men out there would
> >react at the suggest of seeing "Brokeback Mountain" with a look of horror
> >and a reaction of scorn, usually followed by something like "I'm not going
> >to any god-damned fag movie."
>
> I would go if I were dating a woman that just *had* to see it. I'm a
> good sport when it comes to that sorta thing. I'm not "horrified",
> just disinterested. Most of my movie experiences right now are via
> the trusty DVD player and alone. (Not seeing anyone at present).
>
> I'm not downing the movie. In fact, I'm glad it was made and I hope
> it does well; not just in awards and critical praise, but BIG box
> office receipts. Anything that makes the neo-con knuckle-draggers and
> the religious impositionists froth at the mouth is A-OK in my book.
> It's just not my cup of tea. I may see it in the future if
> convenient.
Good for you, David.
Flashback to circa 1988 or so. One of my male roommates, a 20-
something-year-old, post college guy, was bored and checked
out my videotape collection for something to watch.
He happened across "My Beatiful Laundrette," and, knowing it
was critically acclaimed & I had recommended it, decided to watch
it.
When I got home, he was all like, "eeeeew, why didn't you tell
me there was gonna be guys tongue-kissing and stuff in that?"
The irony of it was our third roommate was gay. He'd bring
home guys, occasionally, but was far less publicly affectionate
than what Rob had just been treated to. So, it wasn't like
this Rob was a phobe, necessarily, he was just freaked out from
actually watching his first gay make-out session in a movie.
Mary
--
watch out for spam filter. take my name out of the domain.
Mary B
Xan <jbetto...@charter.net> wrote:
> Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
> >>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:24:15 -0500, SFJason wrote
> > I think it'll hit wide distribution pretty fast, what with all the good
> > press. I'm astonished that I can't see it anywhere in Philadelphia yet!
> I heard on Countdown that the film is deliberately being released
> slowly, starting with only five theaters, then 25, then more, because
> with the recent emphasis on religious films, the producers are concerned
> that the subject matter will be offensive to many movie-goers. Full
> release will not occur until sometime in January. That's why it's
> difficult to find the film in your hometown.
What they're hoping to do is build a word-of-mouth campaign,
similar to the success of 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding.'
From what I've heard, the religious anti-gay crowd are
keeping quiet for now, hoping the movie will just bomb. I'm
in the buckle of the bible belt and have yet to hear a peep
of protest.
Mary B
"Anthony D. Langford" <anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> This movie is gobbling up awards and nominations and the reviews have
> been excellent, which is shocking to me, frankly.
I don't think Ang Lee makes bad movies. Can't think of one, anyway.
And every reviewer knows it.
Mary
> But as I don't know
> anyone who lives in New York, L.A. or San Fran, no one I know has seen
> it yet and I'm not sure when it'll be playing in my town. Luckily, I'm
> visiting NYC over the weekend so I'll catch it while I'm there. Just
> curious if anyone here has seen it yet and what they thought. And while
> I've read the book and I know what happens (the movie is reportedly very
> faithful to the book), no spoilers please.
>
> Anthony
T. David Bamford
Right on the head, Dana.
David, hard bargainer
Dana Carpender
(((((((((((((((((((((((David))))))))))))))))))))))
Would it mean anything if I said I'm really impressed with your personal
strength and courage? Because I am.
Dana
SFJason
boyfriend that visited us had the same problem. he was married with
children when he came out as gay. he was excommunicated and (at the
time) hadn't seen his kids or ex-wife in 10 years. That story made me
so sad even to this day. His family completely turned there back on
him. To them he is dead. The children even tell people that if asked.
"My father is dead". *shudder*
My roommate was also another sad "bad religion" story. He was a closet
case and also had bipolar, but because "good mormons" don't take mind
altering substances he didn't take the medication that would have
easily helped him. He would go into depressive moods and hide in his
room for days not coming out. I don't think he even graduated (at
least not while I was there) because he missed a bunch of his finals
during one of his episodes. I lost touch with him after graduation (he
was a very strange guy and we were never really friends), but it is sad
that religion has so badly affected his life. If he wasn't a Mormon
he would have had a much easier time with both his bipolar disorder and
being gay.
I sometimes wonder where he is now, probably stuck in some horrible
loveless marriage arranged by his family while he sneaks out having sex
with men on the side. Not the happiest way to live.
SFJason
Donna B
<2k2of.18973$O27.1...@wagner.videotron.net>, Marlene Blanshay
<blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
> > Queenie wrote in message <40vup1pdujs7784br...@4ax.com>...
> >>I can't wait to see this movie, but I will wait until it comes to
> >>Netflix unless somebody I know tells me it's a great film.
SERENITY, if you can find it on a big screen still, see it. Unless you
simply don't like any SciFi.
HARRY POTTER: GOBLET OF FIRE, see it on the big screen, too. Unless you have
no interest at all in the HP movies.
I want to see BROKEBACK, KING KONG, HARRY POTTER again, and RENT all on the
big screen. Waiting for Netflix for CAPOTE, PRIME, etc.
So much of
> >>what we see these days is just hype to get people into the theatres
> >>during that first week for the big debut before word trickles out that
> >>the movies sucks.
> >
> > Boy, that's the truth. War of the Worlds comes to mind as one of those,
> > and also the remake of The Stepford Wives. Terrible movies that got a
> > lot of hype around here.
I only recently watched the STEPFORD remake from Netflix. I enjoyed it. I'm
not sure if it's as good as the original movie or book, but, it wasn't bad.
Big screen & theatre experience, though? Nope, doesn't call for it.
> I think WWW was alrady under a shadow, rumors were going around that it
> stunk before it was released.
I was deflated as soon as I heard the casting for it. Sheesh.
--
Donna B 8^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel
http://www.pcavote.com/ for People's Choice Awards voting
Nicola
Having been the Grace to many Wills, I congratulate you.
When I was in college there was a student that was simply a mess. He
was a young millionaire, but lost every penny he had on drugs and
lawyers and hospitals and other people's drugs and lawyers and was on
his way out of this world due to heroin and alcohol addiction. Today
he is living as a she and is healthy and happy and sober. I think
realizing that you are not only gay, but living in the wrong body has
to be amazingly difficult. Each time we speak I tell (now) her how
proud I am that she made the decision to live no matter how difficult.
Happiness is always worth it.
Nicola
Nicola
Well, perhaps it is not so funny. South Park, especially in the
beginning, was certainly cutting edge and surprisingly smart. While I
used to be an avid watcher (I found myself too cheap and busy for cable
for several years), I am just starting to watch again. I know a lot of
pretentious indie film watchers and most of them also enjoy South
Park... and pudding.
Nicola
Donna B
> This movie is gobbling up awards and nominations and the reviews have
> been excellent, which is shocking to me, frankly. But as I don't know
> anyone who lives in New York, L.A. or San Fran, no one I know has seen
> it yet and I'm not sure when it'll be playing in my town. Luckily, I'm
> visiting NYC over the weekend so I'll catch it while I'm there. Just
> curious if anyone here has seen it yet and what they thought. And while
> I've read the book and I know what happens (the movie is reportedly very
> faithful to the book), no spoilers please.
I think it's spreading in limited release to many cities beginning this
Friday, 12-16.
Just curious, Anthony, but why are the reviews shocking to you at this
point? Didn't it do extremely well at Sundance, etc., pre-commercial
release?
Donna B
<_4Jnf.33439$q%.13241@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, Patricia Wadley
<mj...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I think it is a movie which is not for the normal 18+ male crowd. No
> drugs, no car chases, no shootings, no screaming music, no cussing, in
> short, it is a movie for adults about adults dealing with their lives in
> the best way that they can.
I love reading this description & trying to apply it to most cowboy movies!!
LOL
Grace Noble
"Queenie" <coaste...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:dnl1q1pj62ke3ca2j...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:53:26 -0500, Marlene Blanshay
> <blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>I think for a lot of guys, even if they aren't necessarily homophobic,
>>are probably a bit sqeamish about 'that kind of thing.' it's like
>>"black" movies. They probably attract a more black audience, but it's
>>not so much about hatred- people also like to see things they are
>>comfortable with, share experiences with and can relate to. Of course,
>>most guys have no trouble seeing gay movies if it shows two WOMEN, but
>>that's a whole nother story,....
>
> couldn't get into "The L Word"? ;-) On the other hand, I liked the
> film "Bound".
I tried to get into "The L Word" the first season but it just didn't seem to
be going anywhere. "Queer As Folk" was always jumping and the characters
seemed more layered. Sniffle. I miss my boys. :(
Grace Noble
Damn, David. I was hoping you could explain it to us. I've never been able
to figure it out either. I always thought it would be funny if someone
slipped a "reality" Lesbian couple in one of these movies. You know,
middle-aged, not so blonde, perky, silicon-enhanced. Like everyday women.
Scare the hell out of the men in the audience to see their wives or
neighbors instead of the fantasies they crave.
Grace Noble
But David we already know you are a rare gem so your going wouldn't surprise
me. Now Baba...
Grace Noble
You know the mantra within the gay community is that whenever the station
identification comes on for Lifetime it is important to amend it out loud to
say "Lifetime, television for women AND GAY MEN." I've been in a bar and had
a couple of hundred people shout it out all at once. I think I peed a
little. ;)
Grace Noble
*snippage*
>
> Just remember, Grace, veteran cops tend to see everyone as liars
> because they are lied to every day on the job. Retail people tend to
> see everyone as assholes because they deal with them all day long.
> I'm sure you have had your fill of dealing with bigots and homophobes
> over the years, but just remember that you may be a wee bit
> oversensitive in that regard.
>
> David, not Roger Ebert ;-)
I'm sure you are right about that, David. It is a very sore subject with me
for many reasons, and, like you, I won't bore people with the details, but
I've experienced some of the worst behavior I could ever imagine over the
past few decades and I am easily pissed.
On the other hand, I always remember my dearest friend of all time, and his
response to a what could have been a bad situation. He was, as they say,
tres gay, and made quite an impression with his long black hair and colorful
scarves. We were in a crosswalk on Congress Street in Portland, Maine one
day when a guy in a pick-up rounded the corner, rolled down his window and
screamed "Get out of the way you stupid faggot!" at my friend. Without
missing a single beat, my wonderful, adorable friend screamed back "I am not
stupid!" That's just the way he was. He was not the least bit offended by
the homophobic references, but God forbid someone insult his intelligence.
That was fifteen years ago and I still laugh when I think about it.
Unfortunately, he died just a few months later, but it's a great memory. :(
Grace Noble
"Aisling Willow Grey" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BFC601C7...@news.verizon.net...
Really, David. Someday you'll have to tell us about that when you feel up to
it.
>
Susan Barnett
shall...@delphiforums.com wrote on 12/15/05 9:53 AM:
> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:18:46 -0500 in Msg.#
> <sfydnQ7DKft...@comcast.com>, "Anthony D. Langford"
> <anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> This movie is gobbling up awards and nominations and the reviews have
>> been excellent, which is shocking to me, frankly. But as I don't know
>> anyone who lives in New York, L.A. or San Fran, no one I know has seen
>> it yet and I'm not sure when it'll be playing in my town. Luckily, I'm
>> visiting NYC over the weekend so I'll catch it while I'm there. Just
>> curious if anyone here has seen it yet and what they thought. And while
>> I've read the book and I know what happens (the movie is reportedly very
>> faithful to the book), no spoilers please.
>
> I think it's spreading in limited release to many cities beginning this
> Friday, 12-16.
>
> Just curious, Anthony, but why are the reviews shocking to you at this
> point? Didn't it do extremely well at Sundance, etc., pre-commercial
> release?
I asked Anthony the same question. I was expecting the reviews to be good --
I just hope the box office is. I'm going to be disgusted if we have to hear
about how "America isn't ready for this."
Susan
Donna B
<439ff358...@news.adelphia.net>, tdbamford2...@adelphia.net (T.
David Bamford) wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:57:46 GMT, "Grace Noble"
> <grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >Don't expect to see any straight men in the audience, which is a sad
> >reflection on the depth of homophobia in our society. Too bad because they
> >will be missing one of the best movies of the year.
> >
> >Oh, nd bring kleenex. It's a heartwrencher.
>
> Not being interested in a gay love story does not equal homophobia.
Of course, it's not one for one, T. David, but, still, I would bet that
Grace is right, that the number of people who wouldn't even consider going
to a movie like this, is a reflection of how much institutionalized
homophobia we have in our society.
> Thank you.
You're welcome. I remember seeing MAKING LOVE in the theatre & only
peripherally being aware of some people grumbling & leaving because I was so
enrapt part of the time & weeping the rest of the time.
But, sure, we can chide Grace that it's *many straight men* rather than
*any* to make it exactimundo. <G>
T. David Bamford
<shall...@delphiforums.com> wrote:
>In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:27:16 GMT in Msg.#
><439ff358...@news.adelphia.net>, tdbamford2...@adelphia.net (T.
>David Bamford) wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:57:46 GMT, "Grace Noble"
>> <grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Don't expect to see any straight men in the audience, which is a sad
>> >reflection on the depth of homophobia in our society. Too bad because they
>> >will be missing one of the best movies of the year.
>> >
>> >Oh, nd bring kleenex. It's a heartwrencher.
>>
>> Not being interested in a gay love story does not equal homophobia.
>
>Of course, it's not one for one, T. David, but, still, I would bet that
>Grace is right, that the number of people who wouldn't even consider going
>to a movie like this, is a reflection of how much institutionalized
>homophobia we have in our society.
Of course she's correct. Plenty of meatheads out there in the
straight male ranks, but there's no place for me to turn in my card.
I don't like being lumped in with idiots via sweeping generalizations.
>> Thank you.
>
>You're welcome. I remember seeing MAKING LOVE in the theatre & only
>peripherally being aware of some people grumbling & leaving because I was so
>enrapt part of the time & weeping the rest of the time.
>
>But, sure, we can chide Grace that it's *many straight men* rather than
>*any* to make it exactimundo. <G>
My point precisely. There are hetero men out there that are accepting
of alternative lifestyles. Flocking to Brokeback Mountain shouldn't
be a prequalifier to enlightenment status.
David, feels that this has been beaten to death already
Anthony D. Langford
> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs on Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:01:15 -0500 in Msg.#
> <2k2of.18973$O27.1...@wagner.videotron.net>, Marlene Blanshay
> <blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Cheri wrote:
>>
>>>Queenie wrote in message <40vup1pdujs7784br...@4ax.com>...
>>>
>>>>I can't wait to see this movie, but I will wait until it comes to
>>>>Netflix unless somebody I know tells me it's a great film.
>
>
> SERENITY, if you can find it on a big screen still, see it. Unless you
> simply don't like any SciFi.
I want to see it, but I want to watch the tv series first so I'll have a
fuller picture of what's going on.
>
> HARRY POTTER: GOBLET OF FIRE, see it on the big screen, too. Unless you have
> no interest at all in the HP movies.
Oh it's great. I loved it. The Narnia movie is also very good.
>
> I want to see BROKEBACK, KING KONG, HARRY POTTER again, and RENT all on the
> big screen. Waiting for Netflix for CAPOTE, PRIME, etc.
I learned that BROKEBACK will start in DC this weekend. But, as I
mentioned, I'll be in NYC over the weekend, so I guess I'll see it
there. I was iffy about KK, but it's gotten my attention so I'll catch
it next week. Seen CAPOTE and loved it. Phillip Seymour Hoffman
deserves an Oscar nom for his performance. Also looking forward to
seeing Syriana and The Producers.
>
> So much of
>
>>>>what we see these days is just hype to get people into the theatres
>>>>during that first week for the big debut before word trickles out that
>>>>the movies sucks.
>>>
>>>Boy, that's the truth. War of the Worlds comes to mind as one of those,
>>>and also the remake of The Stepford Wives. Terrible movies that got a
>>>lot of hype around here.
>
>
> I only recently watched the STEPFORD remake from Netflix. I enjoyed it.
I caught a bit of it on HBO the other day and liked it. I'll catch the
rest another time. WWW was dead in the water as soon as I heard Cruise
was in it. Don't like him, never did, even before he got all weird.
Anthony
Donna B
<43a0ffc0...@news.adelphia.net>, tdbamford2...@adelphia.net (T.
David Bamford) wrote:
> Of course she's correct. Plenty of meatheads out there in the
> straight male ranks, but there's no place for me to turn in my card.
This is one time when you want to be in the minority that you're in, though.
LOL
> >But, sure, we can chide Grace that it's *many straight men* rather than
> >*any* to make it exactimundo. <G>
>
> My point precisely. There are hetero men out there that are accepting
> of alternative lifestyles. Flocking to Brokeback Mountain shouldn't
> be a prequalifier to enlightenment status.
Maybe, maybe not. Especially if signs of enlightenment are a checklist & one
has to get 10 out of every 15 in 3 different groupings! IOW, it could be *a*
but it's surely not *the*, not the only one.
Of course, part of it can just be a kind of defiance. Certain very loud
people say NO NO NO & it just makes me want to plonk down my money for a
ticket because they're so wrong & so annoying.
> David, feels that this has been beaten to death already
Hmm, pretty new thread. Big topic movie. Better buckle in with the beverage
of your choice. <G>
Now would be a good time for someone to make a coupla batches of net-tinis.
Anthony D. Langford
> You're welcome. I remember seeing MAKING LOVE in the theatre & only
> peripherally being aware of some people grumbling & leaving because I was so
> enrapt part of the time & weeping the rest of the time.
ML never played in my theatre (I grew up in a small town) so I didn't
see it until CBS aired it one Saturday night. I remember loving it (I
also remember how CBS darkened the kissing scene between the lead
actors). I saw it 'uncut' on VHS sometime later. It recently aired
late one night on Starz and I was surprised at how well it holds up
years later. Frankly, you could tell the exact same story today with
few changes. It really didn't do as well as it should and it's a shame
how it damaged the careers of everyone involved, especially Harry Hamlin.
Anthony
Anthony D. Langford
> In article <sfydnQ7DKft...@comcast.com>,
> "Anthony D. Langford" <anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>This movie is gobbling up awards and nominations and the reviews have
>>been excellent, which is shocking to me, frankly.
>
>
> I don't think Ang Lee makes bad movies. Can't think of one, anyway.
> And every reviewer knows it.
>
> Mary
>
I've enjoyed all his movies, even the Hulk, which really got a bad rap.
I think it was much better than it was given credit for.
Anthony
Donna B
<gfWdnUB2-L4...@comcast.com>, "Anthony D. Langford"
<anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Donna B wrote:
> > SERENITY, if you can find it on a big screen still, see it. Unless you
> > simply don't like any SciFi.
>
> I want to see it, but I want to watch the tv series first so I'll have a
> fuller picture of what's going on.
You don't need to, really. You can always watch FIREFLY later, or not at
all. But, it just cries out to be seen on a big screen & with other people
in the dark.
> > HARRY POTTER: GOBLET OF FIRE, see it on the big screen, too. Unless you have
> > no interest at all in the HP movies.
>
> Oh it's great. I loved it. The Narnia movie is also very good.
That's the other one I want to see on the big screen right now. I knew I was
leaving one out!
> I learned that BROKEBACK will start in DC this weekend. But, as I
> mentioned, I'll be in NYC over the weekend, so I guess I'll see it
> there. I was iffy about KK, but it's gotten my attention so I'll catch
> it next week. Seen CAPOTE and loved it. Phillip Seymour Hoffman
> deserves an Oscar nom for his performance. Also looking forward to
> seeing Syriana and The Producers.
If was iffy about KONG, too, and then I saw the previews in the theatre &
read some more about it & changed my mind.
Glad to hear that from someone I know <g> about CAPOTE. Phillip Seymour
Hoffman can't deserve enough accolades if you ask me!! He is that good.
> > I only recently watched the STEPFORD remake from Netflix. I enjoyed it.
>
> I caught a bit of it on HBO the other day and liked it. I'll catch the
> rest another time. WWW was dead in the water as soon as I heard Cruise
> was in it. Don't like him, never did, even before he got all weird.
You & me, too. He's not a very good actor! Never has been, never grew or got
better.
Anthony D. Langford
>
> My point precisely. There are hetero men out there that are accepting
> of alternative lifestyles. Flocking to Brokeback Mountain shouldn't
> be a prequalifier to enlightenment status.
>
Maybe, maybe not. But to me, being open to seeing it and not dismissing
it out of hand is a good indicator.
Anthony
T. David Bamford
Anthony:
>>WWW was dead in the water as soon as I heard Cruise
>>was in it. Don't like him, never did, even before he got all weird.
Donna B:
>You & me, too. He's not a very good actor! Never has been, never grew or got
>better.
My reaction to Cruise is much the same as to other gee-whiz
"superstars".... BFD. Over-rated and certainly over-priced.
And what is up with his being cast in War of the Worlds anyway? There
must be many thousands of actors out there who could've played a
dockworker who basicly runs like hell for most of the movie. Wow,
that'll stretch the ol' craft six ways from Sunday. <eye roll>. I
coulda done it, except for the part where I'd have to actually give a
shit about Dakota Fanning. (And I was hoping the aliens would find a
ball-gag for her. Jeezuz, my ears were bleeding.)
David, suffering tinitus from that experience
T. David Bamford
I've stated many times in this thread that if I had anyone in my
circle who wanted to see it, I would go. In my book, that says
"open". <shrug>.
David, no proving a negative, so I'll throw in the towel
Anthony D. Langford
I'm not criticizing you or aiming my comment at you. I'm just stating
how I feel about the subject. We've discussed gay issues many times and
you've never come across as anything less than open-minded and
non-judgemental.
Anthony
T. David Bamford
Gotcha. We be cool. Heh.
David, just checking
Carol Frilegh
<shall...@delphiforums.com> wrote:
> I think it's spreading in limited release to many cities beginning this
> Friday, 12-16.
>
Spreading? Are we speaking of a film or a disease?
Diva
Carol Frilegh
<grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
I'm waiting for a feature length film about Stanford Blatch (Stanny)
and Marcus, the gay couple from "Sex and the City" as long as the
awesome foursome and their partners are also included.
Diva
Mourning the loss of Carrie, Sam, Charlotte and Miranda
Scott
I'm not open to seeing it. But then, I really
don't watch *any* movies, so not seeing the movie is
not exactly indicative of the subject matter.
Scott, culturally illiterate that way
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <spambox-89CAC7...@news.newsguy.com>):
> In article <sfydnQ7DKft...@comcast.com>,
> "Anthony D. Langford" <anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> This movie is gobbling up awards and nominations and the reviews have
>> been excellent, which is shocking to me, frankly.
>
> I don't think Ang Lee makes bad movies. Can't think of one, anyway.
> And every reviewer knows it.<<
Hulk.
Dana Carpender
Queenie wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:25:55 -0500, Donna B
> <shall...@delphiforums.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I only recently watched the STEPFORD remake from Netflix. I enjoyed it. I'm
>>not sure if it's as good as the original movie or book, but, it wasn't bad.
>>Big screen & theatre experience, though? Nope, doesn't call for it.
>
>
> I saw Stepford on a plane and I was glad I didn't see it in the movies
> or waste one of my picks from Netflix. The original film was much
> better and darker, imo.
I didn't bother with the remake, because they had so clearly tried to
make it a comedy. The original had the occasional funny moment ("Oh,
Frank! You're the champ!") but it was *not* a comedy. It was chilling
as hell.
>
> Another movie that got a lot of hype was "In the Bedroom". Boy, was
> that a snoozer--and I saw that in the theatre.
I found In the Bedroom riveting. Not "entertaining" -- pretty tough to
watch -- but never dull. Truly astonishing performances.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Queenie wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:16:23 GMT, "Grace Noble"
> <grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Queenie" <coaste...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:dnl1q1pj62ke3ca2j...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:53:26 -0500, Marlene Blanshay
>>><blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think for a lot of guys, even if they aren't necessarily homophobic,
>>>>are probably a bit sqeamish about 'that kind of thing.' it's like
>>>>"black" movies. They probably attract a more black audience, but it's
>>>>not so much about hatred- people also like to see things they are
>>>>comfortable with, share experiences with and can relate to. Of course,
>>>>most guys have no trouble seeing gay movies if it shows two WOMEN, but
>>>>that's a whole nother story,....
>>>
>>>Hmmm Could that be why I liked "Queer As Folk" on Showtime but I
>>>couldn't get into "The L Word"? ;-) On the other hand, I liked the
>>>film "Bound".
>>
>>I tried to get into "The L Word" the first season but it just didn't seem to
>>be going anywhere. "Queer As Folk" was always jumping and the characters
>>seemed more layered. Sniffle. I miss my boys. :(
>
>
> Yes, it was a good show.
I actually got to meet Hal Sparks from Queer as Folk; we were on the
Wayne Brady Show the same day, and I spent a good 15 minutes chatting
with him in the green room. Very nice guy. Cute, too.
Dana
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <njd1q1di4isgbm16g...@4ax.com>):
> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs on Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:01:15 -0500 in Msg.#
> <2k2of.18973$O27.1...@wagner.videotron.net>, Marlene Blanshay
> <blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Boy, that's the truth. War of the Worlds comes to mind as one of those,
>>> and also the remake of The Stepford Wives. Terrible movies that got a
>>> lot of hype around here.
>
> I only recently watched the STEPFORD remake from Netflix. I enjoyed it. I'm
> not sure if it's as good as the original movie or book, but, it wasn't bad.
> Big screen & theatre experience, though? Nope, doesn't call for it.<<
The problem with a lot of these remakes is both that they lose the sense of
the original ("Rollerball" and "Planet of the Apes," I'm looking at you!),
but also that the filmmakers of the remake fail to take into account that
often, they were perfect products of their time. WIth "Stepford," we were in
the thick of women's liberation, and men were _frightened_ of their wives
wanting to go out and work and not take care of them anymore. They were
_frightened_ of the women in their lives being less womanly. So that the
idea of turning your wife - a woman you can at least control to some degree -
into a Disney animatron - a woman you can _completely_ control - was very
attractive, and hit a cultural chord.
Now it's just a silly story about putting chips in the heads of people and
getting laughs out of it (and which apparently doesn't even have any internal
consistency - although I've not seen it, I know about the bit with the woman
spitting out money like an ATM machine; how would putting a chip in a woman's
head turn her into a cash machine??).
It's the same reason why "Interview with the Vampire" worked so well both
when it came out as a book, and when it came out as a movie. Because even in
1994 (when the film came out), the gay community was still largely isolated
and marginalized, and there was also the added spectre of HIV and AIDS which
wasn't around when the book first came out.
This is a real pet peeve of mine - these lazy filmmakers who don't have a new
idea in their heads and so have to grave-rob Hollywood. Don't even get me
started on the remake of "Psycho"!
One notable exception is the remake of "The Manchurian Candidate" - that's a
_perfect_ film to remake because it not only _still_ has relevance; it has
nuanced relevance today as compared to when it was originally released.
Off my soapbox now,
Dana Carpender
Donna B wrote:
> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:43:30 -0500 in Msg.#
> <gfWdnUB2-L4...@comcast.com>, "Anthony D. Langford"
> <anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Donna B wrote:
>>
>>>SERENITY, if you can find it on a big screen still, see it. Unless you
>>>simply don't like any SciFi.
>>
>>I want to see it, but I want to watch the tv series first so I'll have a
>>fuller picture of what's going on.
>
>
> You don't need to, really. You can always watch FIREFLY later, or not at
> all. But, it just cries out to be seen on a big screen & with other people
> in the dark.
>
>
>>>HARRY POTTER: GOBLET OF FIRE, see it on the big screen, too. Unless you have
>>>no interest at all in the HP movies.
>>
>>Oh it's great. I loved it. The Narnia movie is also very good.
We very much liked Goblet of Fire, too. Not really interested in Narnia.
>
>
> That's the other one I want to see on the big screen right now. I knew I was
> leaving one out!
>
>
>>I learned that BROKEBACK will start in DC this weekend. But, as I
>>mentioned, I'll be in NYC over the weekend, so I guess I'll see it
>>there. I was iffy about KK, but it's gotten my attention so I'll catch
>>it next week. Seen CAPOTE and loved it. Phillip Seymour Hoffman
>>deserves an Oscar nom for his performance. Also looking forward to
>>seeing Syriana and The Producers.
>
>
> If was iffy about KONG, too, and then I saw the previews in the theatre &
> read some more about it & changed my mind.
It got a rave review in the local paper today. It's a "must see on the
big screen" for me.
Dana
Dana Carpender
> In article <Yh5of.3526$pF.2300@trndny08>, Grace Noble
> <grace...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"T. David Bamford" <tdbamford2...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>>news:43a093ca...@news.adelphia.net...
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:53:26 -0500, Marlene Blanshay:
>>>
>>>>I think for a lot of guys, even if they aren't necessarily homophobic,
>>>>are probably a bit sqeamish about 'that kind of thing.' it's like
>>>>"black" movies. They probably attract a more black audience, but it's
>>>>not so much about hatred- people also like to see things they are
>>>>comfortable with, share experiences with and can relate to. Of course,
>>>>most guys have no trouble seeing gay movies if it shows two WOMEN, but
>>>>that's a whole nother story,....
>>>
>>>I've never understood that (male attraction to lesbian action). Even
>>>as a teen who snuck into pornos in Times Square (it was the 70's
>>>folks... rite of passage) I didn't "get" why they snuck those scenes
>>>into EVERY one of 'em. Does nuthin' for me at all.
>>>
>>>David, clueless
>>
>>Damn, David. I was hoping you could explain it to us. I've never been able
>>to figure it out either. I always thought it would be funny if someone
>>slipped a "reality" Lesbian couple in one of these movies. You know,
>>middle-aged, not so blonde, perky, silicon-enhanced. Like everyday women.
>>Scare the hell out of the men in the audience to see their wives or
>>neighbors instead of the fantasies they crave.
>>
Years ago, when 900 sex lines were the hot new thing, I saw an ad that
said something like, "Lesbians need men for hot sex!" All I could think
was "Somebody's unclear on the concept." I got a great idea -- set up a
900 number, and run an ad that said something like, "Real lesbians are
waiting to talk to you!" When a guy called, a woman would say, "Hey,
breeder-boy, get that ugly dick away from me. What the hell do you
think I'd want you for? Geez..."
Dana
Carol Frilegh
<anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
A movie called "Carla" is being screened in Toronto about Carla Homolka
and Paul Teale Bernardo( her husband) the couple who raped and mudered
two teens and Carla's little sister. The real Carla Homolka has served
her time and is out. She got a short sentence because she made a
deal.She has had restrictions on her removed by a judge and this has
been appealed and challenged back and forth..
Opinion is divided on whether or not people will see this movie. having
Carla free and the movie opening just keeps the wounds open for the
families of the victims.
I'll pass on it but did see "Capote."
--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman
Dana Carpender
Karen wrote:
> Marlene Blanshay <blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Queenie wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:18:46 -0500, "Anthony D. Langford"
>>><anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>This movie is gobbling up awards and nominations and the reviews have
>>>>been excellent, which is shocking to me, frankly. But as I don't know
>>>>anyone who lives in New York, L.A. or San Fran, no one I know has seen
>>>>it yet and I'm not sure when it'll be playing in my town. Luckily, I'm
>>>>visiting NYC over the weekend so I'll catch it while I'm there. Just
>>>>curious if anyone here has seen it yet and what they thought. And while
>>>>I've read the book and I know what happens (the movie is reportedly very
>>>>faithful to the book), no spoilers please.
>>>
>>>
>>>I can't wait to see this movie, but I will wait until it comes to
>>>Netflix unless somebody I know tells me it's a great film. So much of
>>>what we see these days is just hype to get people into the theatres
>>>during that first week for the big debut before word trickles out that
>>>the movies sucks.
>>>
>>
>>Or even if it doesn't suck, it's like "HUH?" It's not bad but not all
>>that praiseworthy. About half the movies I see are like that.
>
>
> That's why I'll keep up my Netflix subscription. Movies, even the
> great ones, go to DVD so fast these days, it's not a hardship to wait
> a bit. 'Beats sitting in a noisey movie theatre with gum permenantly
> affixed to the seats and popcorn "butter" lubing the floors.
Until I have a home theater with a huge-assed, wide-screen TV and great
sound, there will be movies I want to see in the theater. Easy to avoid
the noise; just wait a week or two after the film opens, then go to an
unpopular show. My husband and I did the 6:50 Saturday evening show of
Harry Potter last weekend; we were two of maybe a dozen people in the
theater.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Karen wrote:
> Aisling Willow Grey <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:51:02 -0500, Nicola wrote
>>
>>(in article <1134589862.7...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>
>>>Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a pretty broad and alll-encompassing sense of humor (I enjoy both
>>>>Gilbert & Sullivan and South Park, just to give you two examples on the
>>>>outer
>>>>verges), and I don't even get that.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have the most sincerest desire to see this film and am really looking
>>>forward to it even if I can't convince my homo-phobic boyfriend to
>>>accompany me. But, your reference to South Park is quite ironic. If
>>>you recall the episode where the film festival comes to South Park
>>>(perhaps best known for the Chef's Salty Chocolate Balls) then you
>>>might remember that Cartman thinks all "art" films are about gay
>>>cowboys eating pudding. I don't know if there is any pudding in this
>>>film or not. If indeed there is, Cartman might be on to something. <<
>>
>>I actually heard a reviewer - it may even have been on NPR - mention this
>>very episode. The guy suggested that film could in fact use more pudding!
>>Meaning, more messiness. Too funny, to think that snooty literati indy film
>>reviewers are looking to Cartman for inspiration and direction! :-)
>
>
> That's because most viewers wouldn't understand any references to
> Gilbert & Sullivan, your other parameter in this taste sensor.
>
> Karen, a Savoyard who also watches South Park.
Add me to the list of fans of both G&S and SP.
Dana
>
>
Nicola
> Anthony:
> >>WWW was dead in the water as soon as I heard Cruise
> >>was in it. Don't like him, never did, even before he got all weird.
>
> Donna B:
> >You & me, too. He's not a very good actor! Never has been, never grew or got
> >better.
>
The only thing I ever liked him in was Magnolia.
Nicola
Dana Carpender
Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
>>>On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:25:55 -0500, Donna B wrote
>
> (in article <njd1q1di4isgbm16g...@4ax.com>):
>
>
>>In rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs on Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:01:15 -0500 in Msg.#
>><2k2of.18973$O27.1...@wagner.videotron.net>, Marlene Blanshay
>><blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Boy, that's the truth. War of the Worlds comes to mind as one of those,
>>>>and also the remake of The Stepford Wives. Terrible movies that got a
>>>>lot of hype around here.
>>
>>I only recently watched the STEPFORD remake from Netflix. I enjoyed it. I'm
>>not sure if it's as good as the original movie or book, but, it wasn't bad.
>>Big screen & theatre experience, though? Nope, doesn't call for it.<<
>
>
> The problem with a lot of these remakes is both that they lose the sense of
> the original ("Rollerball" and "Planet of the Apes," I'm looking at you!),
> but also that the filmmakers of the remake fail to take into account that
> often, they were perfect products of their time. WIth "Stepford," we were in
> the thick of women's liberation, and men were _frightened_ of their wives
> wanting to go out and work and not take care of them anymore. They were
> _frightened_ of the women in their lives being less womanly. So that the
> idea of turning your wife - a woman you can at least control to some degree -
> into a Disney animatron - a woman you can _completely_ control - was very
> attractive, and hit a cultural chord.
>
>
Excellent, excellent point. Stephen King wrote a terrific book about
the horror genre, and how and why certain things scare us, and he talked
about exactly this (and even gave The Stepford Wives as an example.) He
mentioned that The Exorcist came out at a point when the parents of the
Baby Boomers were seeing their sweet little Mouseketeers become
drug-taking, foul-mouthed "monsters." Hit a chord, and did boffo box
office. But in Germany, where they were dealing with terrorism,
potty-mouthed kids weren't very scary, and the movie apparently didn't
do well.
Frankenstein was scary when modern science was in its infancy, and
seemed both marvelous and terrifying in its power. Now it's
commonplace, everyday, and Frankenstein, though still a good yarn, just
isn't terrifying anymore.
Dana
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <6t02q19d55efu5206...@4ax.com>):
> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:43:30 -0500 in Msg.#
> <gfWdnUB2-L4...@comcast.com>, "Anthony D. Langford"
> <anthonyd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Donna B wrote:
>>> SERENITY, if you can find it on a big screen still, see it. Unless you
>>> simply don't like any SciFi.
>>
>> I want to see it, but I want to watch the tv series first so I'll have a
>> fuller picture of what's going on.
>
> You don't need to, really. You can always watch FIREFLY later, or not at
> all. But, it just cries out to be seen on a big screen & with other people
> in the dark.<<
I think that chance is gone. It's gone from the theaters in the Phila. area,
at least - and it's coming out on DVD pretty soon, too.