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_One Year After: A John Matherson Novel_ by William R. Forstchen

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Lynn McGuire

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_One Year After: A John Matherson Novel_ by William R. Forstchen
https://www.amazon.com/One-Year-After-Matherson-Novel/dp/0765376717/

Book number two of a three book series. The third book is due to be published on January 3, 2017, "The Final Day: A Novel (A John
Matherson Novel)".
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765376733/

It has been two years since the three nuclear bombs were exploded over the east coast, Kansas, and west coast of the USA. And the
bombs over Moscow and Tokyo. Tehran, Iran and Pyongyang, North Korea are radioactive ruins. There is now more food but food is not
plentiful for the survivors. But, the survivors of Washington DC are trying to assert authority and bring the destroyed nation back
together. At any cost.

I believe that Forstchen is overly aggressive on the effects of an EMP, especially for today's cars and trucks. Just about all
trucks and cars built since 1990 will not run without their computers. But, their computers sit in a semi-closed Faraday cage with
their inputs and outputs being highly regulated. However, my former USMC son with the chemistry and physics degrees tells me that
the USA government has decreed that car computers will lockup using an EMP gun:

https://www.policeone.com/police-products/Pursuit-Management-Technology/articles/6755618-Vehicle-mounted-device-disables-car-electronics-at-50-meters/

My review of the first book in the series is after this review.

My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (1,212 reviews)

Lynn



My review of _One Second After_ on Feb 27, 2015:

_One Second After_ by William R. Forstchen
http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-William-Forstchen/dp/0765356864/

A free standing novel with no known sequels.

Wow! Wow! You want apocalyptic novels, I’ve got your book right here. Wow! I stayed up until 3 am reading this last night. Fits right
in with my rule, if I have to stay up all night to finish the book then it is a five star book.

The author starts the story with somebody exploding a large nuclear weapon 25 miles above Kansas in the USA, causing a large EMP
event in the continental USA. There is another weapon exploded above Moscow and another above Tokyo. Basically all electronic devices
and electrical equipment are destroyed. Then, the author explores what can go wrong in the next twelve months. Actually, it is more
like what does not go wrong in the next twelve months.

I am not going to go into the number of problems experienced in the USA but there are many. Life becomes cheap, very cheap. Food is
scarce after sixty days. Food is below subsistence level after 90 days.

About 1/3rd of the way in the book, I noted that the main character had two golden retrievers. “Oh no”, I said to myself, “they are
food on four legs”. I am not going to spoil that but tough, very tough decisions have to be made.

Great character development that make you feel very empathetic to their issues and needs.

I have no idea if we could actually protect the USA against an EMP first strike. The cost for a rogue state to commit the act is
actually very low. The USA military is mostly hardened against EMP but they are few and far between. There is no way that they could
ramp up for food production, distribution and area protection in a short time period. More like years or more to recivilize the nation.

My rating: 6 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (4,291 reviews)

Lynn

William December Starr

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Aug 22, 2016, 9:47:12 PM8/22/16
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In article <npg4dn$jq3$1...@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> said:

> It has been two years since the three nuclear bombs were exploded
> over the east coast, Kansas, and west coast of the USA. And the
> bombs over Moscow and Tokyo. Tehran, Iran and Pyongyang, North
> Korea are radioactive ruins. There is now more food but food is
> not plentiful for the survivors. But, the survivors of Washington
> DC are trying to assert authority and bring the destroyed nation
> back together. At any cost.

You mean just like that guy that the Republicans are always calling
themselves The Party Of?

-- wds

Lynn McGuire

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Aug 22, 2016, 11:00:58 PM8/22/16
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He did not nuke Chicago. But he did have Sherman burn Atlanta.

At any cost does not mean strafing small towns with Apache helicopters using 20mm cannons. Or does it ?

Lynn

David Johnston

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Aug 22, 2016, 11:31:17 PM8/22/16
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That's exactly what it means. That's war.


Ted Nolan <tednolan>

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Aug 23, 2016, 12:22:54 AM8/23/16
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In article <npg4dn$jq3$1...@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>_One Year After: A John Matherson Novel_ by William R. Forstchen
> https://www.amazon.com/One-Year-After-Matherson-Novel/dp/0765376717/
>
>Book number two of a three book series. The third book is due to be
>published on January 3, 2017, "The Final Day: A Novel (A John
>Matherson Novel)".

Wish he would finish the Lost Regiment series!
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Lawrence Watt-Evans

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Aug 23, 2016, 1:16:49 AM8/23/16
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:12:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>It has been two years since the three nuclear bombs were exploded over the east coast, Kansas, and west coast of the USA. And the
>bombs over Moscow and Tokyo. Tehran, Iran and Pyongyang, North Korea are radioactive ruins. There is now more food but food is not
>plentiful for the survivors. But, the survivors of Washington DC are trying to assert authority and bring the destroyed nation back
>together. At any cost.

"The survivors of Washington DC" probably wouldn't include many
politicians, you know.

If you mean the surviving government, say so. Most of Washington
isn't government.





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Dimensional Traveler

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Aug 23, 2016, 10:45:43 AM8/23/16
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On 8/22/2016 9:22 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <npg4dn$jq3$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> _One Year After: A John Matherson Novel_ by William R. Forstchen
>> https://www.amazon.com/One-Year-After-Matherson-Novel/dp/0765376717/
>>
>> Book number two of a three book series. The third book is due to be
>> published on January 3, 2017, "The Final Day: A Novel (A John
>> Matherson Novel)".
>
> Wish he would finish the Lost Regiment series!
>
"Lost Regiment 328: The Found Regiment"

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Peter Trei

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Aug 23, 2016, 11:56:10 AM8/23/16
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On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 12:22:54 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <npg4dn$jq3$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >_One Year After: A John Matherson Novel_ by William R. Forstchen
> > https://www.amazon.com/One-Year-After-Matherson-Novel/dp/0765376717/
> >
> >Book number two of a three book series. The third book is due to be
> >published on January 3, 2017, "The Final Day: A Novel (A John
> >Matherson Novel)".
>
> Wish he would finish the Lost Regiment series!

How many copies does a survivalist porn book need to sell to justify a sequel?

pt

Don Bruder

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Aug 23, 2016, 12:05:45 PM8/23/16
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In article <npg4dn$jq3$1...@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

You've got to be <PUKE> joking, right? <BARF>

And you're only just discovering this steaming pile? Is this called
"luck", or "willful ignorance"?

The first one was pathetic, the second even worse, and god forbid that a
third one actually gets published! Can you say "blatant nutbar-ism"? can
you say "Let's pump out some crap to pander to the most lunatic-fringe
idiots in existence, and call it a "novel""? Can you say "Reality has no
bearing whatsoever"? Can you say "Look at all the nice little
puppet-women who exist only to satisfy the males"? Can you say
"Characters punched out of 100% pure non-recycled cardboard"? (On second
thought, make that Kleenex...)

How many ways was this pile of shit bad? I can't even make a dent in
starting to count!

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Aug 23, 2016, 9:08:06 PM8/23/16
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On 2016-08-23, Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How many copies does a survivalist porn book need to sell to justify
> a sequel?


Assuming:
ebook only
$1 per copy
70% royalties
cover assembled by the author from public domain sources in five hours
80,000 words
author turns out copy at 125 words per hour = 640 hours
no editing
minimum wage is $8/hour where the author happens to live

( 8 * 645 )/ 0.7 = 7371 copies

But if the book can be sold for $5 they only need to sell 1474 copies
to equal minimum wage.

If they can also manage 250 words per hour, 737 copies will do.

In this case, there is a real publisher involved (Tor/Forge) and the
Kindle price is $10, hardcover for $17 and paperback for $7.70. The real
publisher means that an editor and a copyeditor and an artist and art
director were paid, and it also means that the 1200 or so reviews on Big
River probably reflect at least 12000 sales, so there will be a sequel.

-dsr-

Lynn McGuire

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Aug 25, 2016, 6:18:21 PM8/25/16
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> How many ways was this pile of s*** bad? I can't even make a dent in
> starting to count!

I am sorry that you did not like it. Somebody besides me liked it as 63% of the 1,222 reviews on Amazon gave it five stars. And the
first book was a New York Times best seller for a year ?

Lynn

Don Bruder

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Aug 25, 2016, 9:20:48 PM8/25/16
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In article <npnqra$j7j$1...@dont-email.me>,
Several hundred million cockroaches think that rotting garbage is good...

Lynn McGuire

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:34:36 AM8/28/16
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Depends on the author's day job. If he makes good, only 1 sale is
required (his mom). I'll bet most people need 5,000 to 10,000 copes to
make it worth their while.

And this book is professionally published and stocked at B&N. Maybe
some Walmarts.

Lynn


Lynn McGuire

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:35:51 AM8/28/16
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Isn't that a false analogy ? You are implying that the book is edible.

Lynn


Dimensional Traveler

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:40:10 AM8/28/16
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To a cockroach, it is. :)

Lynn McGuire

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:43:06 AM8/28/16
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Snerk ! Big River. Snerk !

BTW, this book is the sequel to _One Second After_ which has 6,276
reviews on Big River and was on the NYT bestseller list for a year.
https://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-William-Forstchen/dp/0765356864/

BTW, I highly doubt that 10% of the purchasers will provide a review.
Maybe 2 or 3% at most.

Lynn

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:48:54 AM8/28/16
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In article <nptpv7$v6p$1...@dont-email.me>,
That's silverfish I think.

Don Bruder

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Aug 28, 2016, 2:20:51 AM8/28/16
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In article <nptpn5$us1$2...@dont-email.me>,
Not even gonna bother. Sorry, Lynn, but by giving this steaming pile of
crap a 5 star rating, you manage, in one stroke, to both destroy *ANY*
hint of credibility you've ever managed to establish as a reviewer, and
demonstrate beyond any doubt that your literary taste is not only
nonexistent, but downright malignant. Giving this book (or its
predecessor) a five star rating is indistinguishable from calling a dog
turd covered with drunkard's puke served on a paper plate a gourmet
meal. How much did you get paid to flog such utter garbage, anyway? I
hope it was worth it...

David Johnston

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Aug 28, 2016, 2:29:20 AM8/28/16
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Be fair. He just really really likes the right wing apocalypse novel
genre.

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

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Aug 28, 2016, 2:39:14 AM8/28/16
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In article <npu0bu$d3u$1...@dont-email.me>,
Genre not my cuppa, but I'm prepared to believe that if it were written by
Forstchen, it's readable.

Don Bruder

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Aug 28, 2016, 2:44:47 AM8/28/16
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In article <npu0bu$d3u$1...@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <Davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hell, *I* really like 'em - when they're any good! But the crap that
Forstchen spewed when he released this pair (and apparently soon to be a
trio) of steamers is unforgivable *GARBAGE*. Even "A. American"'s
"__________ing Home" series - which I consider to be about as close to
"the ultimate in prepper-circle-jerk material" as it gets - is better
than Forstchen's dreck!

Dimensional Traveler

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:09:48 PM8/28/16
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Cockroaches will eat paper and glue. They prefer other things but they
do eat paper and glue.

Dimensional Traveler

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:10:38 PM8/28/16
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You appear to have never heard that different people have different tastes.

Brian M. Scott

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:20:56 PM8/28/16
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On 28 Aug 2016 06:39:11 GMT, "Ted Nolan <tednolan>"
<t...@loft.tnolan.com> wrote
in<news:e2ff8e...@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> In article <npu0bu$d3u$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston
> <Davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

>> Be fair. He just really really likes the right wing
>> apocalypse novel genre.

> Genre not my cuppa, but I'm prepared to believe that if
> it were written by Forstchen, it's readable.

Almost certainly more readable in terms of basic craft than
a lot of stuff that gets mostly 4- and 5-star ratings at
Amazon.

Brian
--
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holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

Lynn McGuire

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Aug 28, 2016, 5:59:35 PM8/28/16
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Sorry, no payola here. In fact, I rated the first book in the series 6
out of 5 stars, an honor that I have given to only one other book. I
might need to retro rate some other books some day for that privilege,
COTG, TMIAHM, and LH might be a few.

Probably time you kill file me if I am worthless in your eyes. Kinda
sad, that.

I've got 43 people following me on Big River. Kinda freaky that. But
I'll bet that James Nicoll has 4,300.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2P5WAAF0R125O

Lynn

Lynn McGuire

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Aug 29, 2016, 12:31:26 AM8/29/16
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Well Don, one of my friends agrees with you:
http://www.ttgnet.com/journal/2014/11/28/friday-28-november-2014/

Lynn


Don Bruder

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Aug 29, 2016, 1:08:10 AM8/29/16
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In article <nq0dqr$pqt$1...@dont-email.me>,
Smart fellow :) Can't disagree with even one word he said there. Well,
almost... It's not a bad rewrite of Lucifer's Hammer - It's just bad,
full stop. Never mind that Lucifer's Hammer was/is a rewrite of Footfall
- "hold the alien invaders, please", and that both of them were good
fun. And both were actually plausible, (yes, even "with aliens, please")
give or take a few basically insignificant details. No major strain on
the WSOD circuits for either of them.

And he's right about it desperately needing an editor, too.

And I'd forgotten about the annoyance factor of the "of/have" mangling -
But to be fair, that complaint is so far down on my list of what makes
both of them lousy books that it's barely worth a (dis)honorable mention.

James Nicoll

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Aug 29, 2016, 10:20:12 AM8/29/16
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In article <nq0fvm$fip$3...@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> wrote:

>
>Smart fellow :) Can't disagree with even one word he said there. Well,
>almost... It's not a bad rewrite of Lucifer's Hammer - It's just bad,
>full stop. Never mind that Lucifer's Hammer was/is a rewrite of Footfall
>- "hold the alien invaders, please"

Not that I live to nitpick but as I recall it was a bit more complicated
(and also, Footfall is 1986, whereas Lucifer's Hammer is 1977). Early drafts
of Lucifer's Hammer had aliens but the editor preferred a pure natural
distaster. Nine years later, N&P published Footfall, which has both a
impact scenario and an alien invasion. Or perhaps that should be "an
impact scenario thanks to an alien invasion."

http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/lucifers-hammer
http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/footfall

(short version: wasn't crazy about either one)
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Don Bruder

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Aug 29, 2016, 12:14:14 PM8/29/16
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In article <nq1gap$ojj$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

> In article <nq0fvm$fip$3...@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Smart fellow :) Can't disagree with even one word he said there. Well,
> >almost... It's not a bad rewrite of Lucifer's Hammer - It's just bad,
> >full stop. Never mind that Lucifer's Hammer was/is a rewrite of Footfall
> >- "hold the alien invaders, please"
>
> Not that I live to nitpick but as I recall it was a bit more complicated
> (and also, Footfall is 1986, whereas Lucifer's Hammer is 1977). Early drafts
> of Lucifer's Hammer had aliens but the editor preferred a pure natural
> distaster. Nine years later, N&P published Footfall, which has both a
> impact scenario and an alien invasion. Or perhaps that should be "an
> impact scenario thanks to an alien invasion."
>
> http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/lucifers-hammer
> http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/footfall
>
> (short version: wasn't crazy about either one)

True? False? Retcon? Dunno, but the way I've always heard the story
(supposedly as told by Niven and Pournelle themselves) Footfall was
written first, flogged around to publishers, and after getting enough
"Not bad, but the aliens just make it too
(stupid/overdone/sci-fi/fantasy/etc)" gripes from everybody and their
dog in the publishing industry, they wrote out the aliens and did some
other tuning, and PRESTO! Lucifer's Hammer was published in '77. (And
frankly, it absolutely *REEKS* of 1977, particularly the whole "black
power" sub-theme. But they both still liked the aliens, so after waiting
for a while, and doing some other tuning on the original story, they
started passing it around, and POOF! Footfall hit the store shelves. And
the rest, as they say, is history...

Personally, I like both of them - Hard for me to choose which one I like
better - "Give my grandchildren the lightning again" is a hard act to
top. On the other hand, the "awesome" of an Orion ship just can't be
ignored. On the gripping hand, I absolutely hated the death of "Hairy
Red", and think that Pyotr Jakov needed the stupid slapped out of him
(and a new name - The first couple "Hey, check out this clever joke we
made" scenes that used it were sorta-kinda cute, but before the end, it
was just tiresome). At final count, they both stay in my rotation.

Brian M. Scott

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:20:09 +0000 (UTC), James Nicoll
<jdni...@panix.com> wrote
in<news:nq1gap$ojj$1...@reader2.panix.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]
Wasn’t even interested enough to read either of them.

Greg Goss

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Aug 29, 2016, 10:51:28 PM8/29/16
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The version I heard, long before Footfall came out, was that the
editor wanted to tie it into Kohoutek hysteria, so asked them to take
out the aliens and just make it a comet story.
--
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Greg Goss

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Aug 29, 2016, 10:55:06 PM8/29/16
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"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:20:09 +0000 (UTC), James Nicoll
><jdni...@panix.com> wrote
>in<news:nq1gap$ojj$1...@reader2.panix.com> in
>rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>[...]
>
>> http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/lucifers-hammer
>> http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/footfall
>
>> (short version: wasn't crazy about either one)
>
>Wasn’t even interested enough to read either of them.

I loved the early Niven / Pournelle collaborations. Niven ran a bit
too wild without a collaborator to weigh him down, while Pournelle
runs a bit too slow for me.

Hammer was my official "favourite novel" for a couple of decades. But
as Don points out, the "Black Power" stuff has moved on, and while I'm
willing to argue about the female roles in the novel, the female
characters would react differently now to those pressures.

Don Bruder

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Aug 29, 2016, 11:06:37 PM8/29/16
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In article <e2kald...@mid.individual.net>,
I've heard variants that either call that a main reason, or suggest that
it was a strong driver. Either way ends up the same: Footfall was
*WRITTEN* first, but Hammer got *PUBLISHED* first.

Brian M. Scott

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Aug 29, 2016, 11:22:53 PM8/29/16
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:54:57 -0600, Greg Goss
<go...@gossg.org> wrote
in<news:e2kas7...@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> I loved the early Niven / Pournelle collaborations.
> Niven ran a bit too wild without a collaborator to weigh
> him down, while Pournelle runs a bit too slow for me.

In my opinion Niven’s best work is solo and predates _The
Mote in God’s Eye_, with the possible exception of Mote
itself. Of the other collaborations with Pournelle I’ve
read _Inferno_, _Oath of Fealty_, and _Burning Tower_; all
were readable, and none is especially memorable.

[...]

Gene Wirchenko

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Aug 30, 2016, 6:11:20 PM8/30/16
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:59:18 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>I've got 43 people following me on Big River. Kinda freaky that. But

My blog is unfamous, too: http://genew.ca/

>I'll bet that James Nicoll has 4,300.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2P5WAAF0R125O

How many of them are wanting to do injury to him? (He does have
a reputation to uphold.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

James Nicoll

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Aug 30, 2016, 10:19:12 PM8/30/16
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In article <j11csb9qh62hnks6m...@4ax.com>,
Hey! I don't need other people to hurt me. That's what I am for.

(It's been a good 15 months since I was last attacked by a human while I
was out walking)

I bet I don't have any followers. I link to Amazon but otherwise don't do
much to raise my profile.

Kevrob

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Aug 30, 2016, 11:28:20 PM8/30/16
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On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 10:19:12 PM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <j11csb9qh62hnks6m...@4ax.com>,
> Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:59:18 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> ><lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >>I've got 43 people following me on Big River. Kinda freaky that. But
> >
> > My blog is unfamous, too: http://genew.ca/
> >
> >>I'll bet that James Nicoll has 4,300.
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2P5WAAF0R125O
> >
> > How many of them are wanting to do injury to him? (He does have
> >a reputation to uphold.)
> >
> Hey! I don't need other people to hurt me. That's what I am for.
>
> (It's been a good 15 months since I was last attacked by a human while I
> was out walking)
>
> I bet I don't have any followers. I link to Amazon but otherwise don't do
> much to raise my profile.
> --

I could see myself following James, but from a safe distance,
and off to one side, wearing protective gear.

What does one wear to survive random meteor strikes?

Kevin R

Alie...@gmail.com

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Aug 31, 2016, 12:24:43 AM8/31/16
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And carrying a videocamera, one hopes. With a telephoto lens...

> What does one wear to survive random meteor strikes?

A planet. It hits NY, you're in Melbourne. Hard to photograph it that way though.


Mark L. Fergerson

Dimensional Traveler

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Aug 31, 2016, 10:37:35 AM8/31/16
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I was going to say "That's what spy satellites are for" but I haven't
finished waking up this morning so it took me an extra half-second to
remember that since this would be a Nicoll Event, the satellite would
have been knocked out of orbit by the meteor and would be coming down in
his vicinity shortly as well.

Michael F. Stemper

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Aug 31, 2016, 11:02:45 AM8/31/16
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On 2016-08-29 22:22, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:54:57 -0600, Greg Goss
> <go...@gossg.org> wrote
> in<news:e2kas7...@mid.individual.net> in
> rec.arts.sf.written:

>> I loved the early Niven / Pournelle collaborations.
>> Niven ran a bit too wild without a collaborator to weigh
>> him down, while Pournelle runs a bit too slow for me.
>
> In my opinion Niven’s best work is solo and predates _The
> Mote in God’s Eye_, with the possible exception of Mote
> itself.

I'm basically in agreement with this. The one exception is
that I view Mote as being completely orthogonal to Niven's
early solo work and thus incommensurable. Asking whether I
like "Grendel" or Mote better is like asking if I like paella
or a grilled rib-eye better.

However, I do believe that _The Mote in God's Eye_ is a
superb work.

> Of the other collaborations with Pournelle I’ve
> read _Inferno_, _Oath of Fealty_, and _Burning Tower_; all
> were readable, and none is especially memorable.

Pretty much, yeah. I picked up _Escape From Hell_ three years ago,
intending to re-read _Inferno_ first. It hasn't happened yet.

--
Michael F. Stemper
There's no "me" in "team". There's no "us" in "team", either.

Lynn McGuire

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On 8/30/2016 9:19 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <j11csb9qh62hnks6m...@4ax.com>,
> Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:59:18 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> I've got 43 people following me on Big River. Kinda freaky that. But
>>
>> My blog is unfamous, too: http://genew.ca/
>>
>>> I'll bet that James Nicoll has 4,300.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2P5WAAF0R125O
>>
>> How many of them are wanting to do injury to him? (He does have
>> a reputation to uphold.)
>>
> Hey! I don't need other people to hurt me. That's what I am for.
>
> (It's been a good 15 months since I was last attacked by a human while I
> was out walking)
>
> I bet I don't have any followers. I link to Amazon but otherwise don't do
> much to raise my profile.

What ? I walk two miles just every night on the circular road behind my house and have never been attacked by a human. I have
shooed off stray dogs want to meet my dog and heard several coyote packs hunting over the levee (we live out in the county).

Now mosquitoes, I have been attacked by many, many mosquitoes. And been yelled at by many squirrels and birds.

Lynn

James Nicoll

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Aug 31, 2016, 3:56:03 PM8/31/16
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In article <ad965693-f068-49d6...@googlegroups.com>,
That only happened once. ONCE!

Gene Wirchenko

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Aug 31, 2016, 4:42:55 PM8/31/16
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 02:19:09 +0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>In article <j11csb9qh62hnks6m...@4ax.com>,
>Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net> wrote:
>>On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:59:18 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>><lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>I've got 43 people following me on Big River. Kinda freaky that. But
>>
>> My blog is unfamous, too: http://genew.ca/
>>
>>>I'll bet that James Nicoll has 4,300.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2P5WAAF0R125O
>>
>> How many of them are wanting to do injury to him? (He does have
>>a reputation to uphold.)
>>
>Hey! I don't need other people to hurt me. That's what I am for.

Sorry. I thought you might have run out of the other kinds.

>(It's been a good 15 months since I was last attacked by a human while I
>was out walking)

Good, good.

>I bet I don't have any followers. I link to Amazon but otherwise don't do
>much to raise my profile.

I am not any good at SEO either. Nor do I care. If someone
finds my blog and enjoys it, great, but it is more for me. I think I
have some things of value to share; I do not require others to partake
of them.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Kevrob

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Aug 31, 2016, 6:44:44 PM8/31/16
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That you _remember_. I'd be suspicious of your memory of
specific instances after so many close calls that might have
left you concussed and/or dazed. You might want to think about
donating your brain when you are done with it, as some ex-NFL
players have promised to do. :)

Kevin R

Dimensional Traveler

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Aug 31, 2016, 8:11:17 PM8/31/16
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That you've told us about.... :)

Greg Goss

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Aug 31, 2016, 11:45:33 PM8/31/16
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"Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2016-08-29 22:22, Brian M. Scott wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:54:57 -0600, Greg Goss

>>> I loved the early Niven / Pournelle collaborations.
>>> Niven ran a bit too wild without a collaborator to weigh
>>> him down, while Pournelle runs a bit too slow for me.
>>
>> In my opinion Niven’s best work is solo and predates _The
>> Mote in God’s Eye_, with the possible exception of Mote
>> itself.
...
>> Of the other collaborations with Pournelle I’ve
>> read _Inferno_, _Oath of Fealty_, and _Burning Tower_; all
>> were readable, and none is especially memorable.
>
>Pretty much, yeah. I picked up _Escape From Hell_ three years ago,
>intending to re-read _Inferno_ first. It hasn't happened yet.

I loved Oath. Inferno and Burning city felt like lightweights.
Burning Tower was even ligher. Escape from Hell was almost unreadable
to me. Heorot 2 was actually better than #1.

I seem to be the only one on the planet who liked Ringworld Throne,
though it needs then next book in the series for completion. I had to
read it in bootleg since no-one sells it in e-book.

To me, the classic Niven/Pournelle books run from Mote or Hammer to
Fealty or Footfall. Angels is fun, but it's a totally different kind
of book.

Robert Carnegie

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Sep 1, 2016, 8:09:49 AM9/1/16
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You'd think that accidentally receiving secret
superhuman powers is a /good/ thing. But the lying
gets to you. Eventually, you just take the meteorite,
throw it back into space, pretend that it never happened,
and hope that you calculated "escape velocity" correctly.

Let's just say I feel your pain. Well, not /all/
of it, obviously. That would be another bad thing.

Dimensional Traveler

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Sep 1, 2016, 12:53:39 PM9/1/16
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I don't think Mr. Nicoll feels all of his own pain anymore. :D
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