midnight express and hashish and turkish prison and our butts
Man...An Ancient Race
first time when i done see this movie, it done scare the hell outta
me.
i mean all that homoeroticism which i wasn't used to and all that
brutality and violence and crazy antics and such. freaked me out.
after seeing lots of crazy over the top movies since then, midnight
express is rather mild in comparison.
and brad davis... heck this guy lookie and act like cross between
anthony perkins and brad pitt. major weirdo. all american AND all
f***ed up.
now, my questions...
isn't it true that hashish is legal in muslim countries whereas
alcohol is illegal? this being so, why is the penalty for possession
of hashish so extreme against the guy in midnight express? and isn't
hashish just harmless sort of weed? it's not like heroin, right?
did the real dude--the movie was based on a true story--really kill a
fatbody turkish prison guard to break free?
are turkish baths as unsavory as turkish prisons?
oliver stone won an oscar for screenplay, right? what was his
acceptance speech like?
is american prison any better than a turkish prison? is being boofed
by bubba everyday better than being knocked hither and thither by
fatbody turks?
you tell me, i don't know.
Eowine Eomundsdottir
Man...An Ancient Race <anthony...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> isn't it true that hashish is legal in muslim countries whereas
> alcohol is illegal?
No. Alcohol is explicitly forbidden by the Qor'an, hashis is not.
> this being so, why is the penalty for possession
> of hashish so extreme against the guy in midnight express?
This being not so, the turks are (have been) known for their hars prison
terms since Osman times.
> and isn't hashish just harmless sort of weed?
Hashis is the resin of the Cannabis Sativa plant (weed). It is not
'harmless' (few things are), but nothing like heroin.
> did the real dude--the movie was based on a true story--really kill a
> fatbody turkish prison guard to break free?
I don't know.
> are turkish baths as unsavory as turkish prisons?
No. Turkish baths are a delight.
> is american prison any better than a turkish prison?
I lack personal expirience (fortunately) but I think so. At least Amnesty
International does not critizise the conditions in your prisons on a regular
basis, as it does with the turkish.
> is being boofed by bubba everyday better than being knocked hither and
thither by
> fatbody turks?
Again, no personal experience, but i'd say it does not make much of a
difference
Eowine.
Dave Foulger
Eowine Eomundsdottir <eow...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Man...An Ancient Race <anthony...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I lack personal expirience (fortunately) but I think so. At least Amnesty
> International does not critizise the conditions in your prisons on a
regular
> basis, as it does with the turkish.
From Amnesty International Report 2001 on the USA
Torture/ill-treatment in prisons and jails
Torture and ill-treatment were reported in prisons, jails and juvenile
detention facilities. Abuses included beatings and excessive force; sexual
misconduct; the misuse of electro-shock weapons and chemical sprays; and the
cruel use of mechanical restraints, including holding prisoners for
prolonged periods in four-point restraint as punishment. Many reported
abuses took place in isolation units or during forced removal of prisoners
from cells (''cell extractions'').
Cruel conditions in supermaximum security (supermax) prisons, where
prisoners are held in prolonged isolation, continued to be reported. AI's
requests to tour such facilities in Illinois and Virginia were turned down
by the authorities.
Up to 30 guards were alleged to have been involved in the systematic
ill-treatment of five prisoners in a high security wing of Cook County Jail,
Illinois, in July. It was alleged that guards kicked and punched the
prisoners without provocation during cell searches and subjected them to
racist abuse in retaliation for having reported earlier ill-treatment of
jail inmates. The prisoners - who were also reportedly beaten after they
were shackled - sustained lacerations, bruising and bone fractures. A civil
lawsuit in the case was pending at the end of the year.
In July, three Cook County sheriff's deputies were indicted on first degree
murder charges for the beating of inmate Louis Schmude in a holding cell in
another detention facility in May; he died hours later of a ruptured spleen.
In September the US Justice Department opened a civil rights investigation
into Red Onion State Prison, one of two supermax prisons in Virginia where
there had been persistent allegations of excessive use of force by guards,
including misuse of firearms, restraints and electro-shock weapons. AI
renewed its call for the suspension of the use of all electro-shock weapons
in Virginia prisons following the death in Wallens Ridge Prison, the state's
other supermax prison, of a diabetic prisoner shocked with a stun weapon in
July (see below). The Department of Corrections refused to ban the equipment
and turned down a request by AI to tour Wallens Ridge Prison.
Abuse of incarcerated children
Children in detention were subjected to ill-treatment which included the
cruel use of restraints and prolonged isolation as punishment. Many children
continued to be prosecuted as adults and sent to adult prisons where, in
some states, they were not separated from adults and were held in inhumane
or inappropriate conditions.
A study of the juvenile justice system published in April, sponsored by the
US Justice Department and six of the country's leading foundations, found
that youths from ethnic minority groups, especially African Americans, were
more likely to be imprisoned and to serve longer sentences than white youths
charged with similar offences.
In February a lawsuit was filed alleging widespread abuse at the State
Training School in Plankinton, South Dakota, a juvenile detention facility.
Children were reportedly placed in punitive handcuffs and shackles; forced
to lie spread-eagled in four-point restraints for hours at a time, including
overnight; and girls were forcibly stripped by male staff while held in
four-point restraint. It was also alleged that children, some of them
mentally ill, were routinely held in isolation for 23 hours a day, sometimes
for months at a time.
In December a federal judge approved a settlement which placed strict limits
on the use of force and punishment at Plankinton. This included a ban on
restraints as punishment and the removal of four-point rings used to tie
inmates to beds, and the setting of limits on the length of time children
could be confined to cells.
Ill-treatment of women prisoners
Male guards continued to have unsupervised access to women prisoners or
detainees in women's prisons and local jails. There were allegations of
sexual abuse of female prisoners by male staff in states including
California, Connecticut, New York, South Carolina and West Virginia. Draft
legislation was introduced in New York to ban pat-down searches of women
prisoners by male staff.
Reports of ill-treatment of inmates at Wayne County Jail, West Virginia,
included claims that women prisoners were made to parade partially naked in
front of male inmates, forced to undergo strip searches by male guards,
fondled by male officers or watched while dressing. One prisoner said she
was coerced into a sexual relationship with a guard who later resigned.
There were also allegations of assaults by guards against both male and
female inmates and the abusive use of pepper spray. The results of a Justice
Department investigation into allegations of federal criminal civil rights
violations by guards at the jail were not known by the end of the year.
In October a state legislative committee held hearings on ill-treatment in
two California prisons, Valley State Prison for Women and the California
Institute for Women. Women prisoners testified about medical neglect and
sexual abuse by male staff.
Deaths in prison
Lawrence Frazier, a diabetic, died in July after being restrained by guards
and zapped with a 45,000 volt electro-shock stun gun after becoming
delirious and ''combative'' in the Wallens Ridge Prison infirmary where he
had been taken for hypoglycemia. Although the prison authorities said
afterwards that a doctor had ruled out the stun weapon as a cause of death,
this was discounted by many observers as the doctor had had no access to the
autopsy results. Inquiries into the death were still pending at the end of
the year.
In October a state jury acquitted a former prison guard on a charge of
aggravated battery and coercion to falsify reports in the case of Frank
Valdez who died in Florida State Prison in July 1999. The guard was accused
of beating Valdez and breaking his jaw after he was handcuffed. Frank Valdez
died the next day after an altercation with four other guards whose trial on
second-degree murder charges was still pending at the end of 2000.
In June, eight prison guards accused of staging ''gladiator style'' fights
among prisoners at Corcoran State Prison, California, between 1989 and 1995,
were acquitted of criminal charges after a jury trial. Guards had shot 31
prisoners, seven of them fatally, while breaking up the fights. Although the
guards were acquitted, the state had earlier been forced to change its
policies after an independent panel found that 80 per cent of the shootings
had been unjustified. State legislative hearings in 1998 had found a pattern
of brutality at the prison.
Eowine Eomundsdottir
Dave Foulger <david....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> From Amnesty International Report 2001 on the USA
Jeeezzz... Well... Ummm...
Eowine.
Henry Glenworthy
> Dave Foulger <david....@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > From Amnesty International Report 2001 on the USA
> <snip horrifying report>
> Jeeezzz... Well... Ummm...
>>>>
Moral: Don't go to jail.
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Ed Stasiak
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>
> > isn't it true that hashish is legal in muslim countries whereas
> > alcohol is illegal?
> No. Alcohol is explicitly forbidden by the Qor'an, hashis is not.
I thought the Koran says something like "juice of the grape",
meaning wine is forbidden (like pork) but specifically excludes
beer? I used to work with a Bosnian Muslim who said beer was
OK as long as you didn't drink to get drunk.
Eowine Eomundsdottir
Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote in message
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Phew.... Ask a mullah about that. I suppose the muslim interpretations of
the Qor'an differ as widely as the Christian interpretations of the bible,
so I guess it's who you ask. I also heard that _any_ form of intoxication is
'haram' (sinfull), but I'm the last to claim any detailed knowledge of those
matters...
Eowine.
Mpoconnor7
>anthony perkins and brad pitt. major weirdo. all american AND all
>f***ed up.
>
When I first saw "Midnight Express" I thought he'd become a major film star;
this film was the only major starring role he ever got IIRC. And he was dead
of AIDS within ten years.
>isn't it true that hashish is legal in muslim countries whereas
>alcohol is illegal? this being so, why is the penalty for possession
>of hashish so extreme against the guy in midnight express? and isn't
>hashish just harmless sort of weed? it's not like heroin, right?
I never tried Hashish. I think it is legal to buy Hashish and use it but it is
illegal to try to smuggle it out of Turkey.
>
>did the real dude--the movie was based on a true story--really kill a
>fatbody turkish prison guard to break free?
No. he did not kill the guard. I read Billy Hayes' book and he escaped on a
homemade raft from an island prison IIRC. The gay shower scene and his
girlfriend pressing her breast against the glass never happened in the book
either; Oliver Stone took some liberties with his Oscar winning screenplay.
>oliver stone won an oscar for screenplay, right?
Best Screenplay Adaptation.
Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man
"The probability of one person being right increases in a direct porportion to
the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"
Hownow
<mpoco...@aol.comnojunk> wrote:
>
> No. he did not kill the guard. I read Billy Hayes' book and he escaped on a
> homemade raft from an island prison IIRC. The gay shower scene and his
> girlfriend pressing her breast against the glass never happened in the book
> either; Oliver Stone took some liberties with his Oscar winning screenplay.
>
I also read the book and remain with the impression that he escaped
from some sort of prison farm located near the Greek border, and that's
maybe why he was sent there.
Sort of like back in Depression Days when the sheriffs in some counties
would arrest a couple of dozen hobos; the judge would sentence them to
ten days; the sheriff would later take them all out on a work crew,
give 'em each a wrapped bologna sandwich then walk away after telling
them: "I have to go somewhere and I don't want to see you here when I
get back!"
My other impression was that drug-user Hayes had no intention of
escaping from the main prison but was using that story to wheedle money
out of his family ... particularly from his father.
- hm