Star Wars Episode VIII ... yet another lazy rip-off

[Your Name]

It looks like hopeless idiot JarJar Abrams and team have again simply
ripped off the Original Trilogy. The latest Star Wars movie has a young
Force user seeking help from an older Jedi Master, a big battle on a
white planet with walkers and troops in trenches, ... here we go again.
:-\

Is there really nobody left in Hollyweird with actual cerative talent
these days, or are they all simply lazy-ass, talentless "reboot"
morons?? :-(

[hector]

you 'member, I 'member

[Lynn McGuire]

Is Darth JarJar in the movie ?

Lynn

[Wolffan]

On 2017 Dec 17, Lynn McGuire wrote
(in article <p16r22$6os$1...@dont-email.me>):

I’ve seen in multiple places a simple, direct, elegant, way of removing JJB
and certain others. Forever.

JJB is a very large _poison frog_. Boil him up and feed him to Ewoks. Two
menaces removed at a stroke.

[TT]

Your Name kirjoitti 10.12.2017 klo 9:43:
> The latest Star Wars movie has a young Force user seeking help from an
> older Jedi Master

Would have been pretty lame if there wasn't.

The complaint for TFA was that Rey shouldn't have mastered the force yet
and there shouldn't have been a death star. Now your complaint is that
Rey wasn't fully learned and that you'd apparently wanted a story about
a death star.

If you're a Star Wars fan it's really hard to see how one wouldn't like
this film.

[Your Name]

On 2017-12-18 16:44:03 +0000, TT said:
> Your Name kirjoitti 10.12.2017 klo 9:43:
>> The latest Star Wars movie has a young Force user seeking help from an
>> older Jedi Master
>
> Would have been pretty lame if there wasn't.
>
> The complaint for TFA was that Rey shouldn't have mastered the force
> yet and there shouldn't have been a death star. Now your complaint is
> that Rey wasn't fully learned

I never said she should be fully trained.

> and that you'd apparently wanted a story about a death star.

Where did I ever say anything about wanting "a story about a death
star"!? Oh, that's right, nowhere at all. We didn't even want nor need
the ridiculous "Death Star" in JarJar Abrams' silly previous reboot
movie either. :-\

> If you're a Star Wars fan it's really hard to see how one wouldn't like
> this film.

The point was that this film, just like the previous Episode, is mostly
a lazy rip-off of the original movies. There's a bunch of brainless
numbnuts in Hollyweird who haven't got the talent nor creativity to
actually create a sensible movie that fits in with an existing
franchise. There's also an idiotic belief, which has been around for a
lot longer, that fans want just more of the exact same thing. A
lazy-ass re-hash is NOT what actual fans ever want. We've already "been
there, done that, got the T-shirt" (and the mug, action figures,
collectible cards, ...). "Jurassic Park" is doing the same thing too.

"Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH
better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new
story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in
existing ones towards the end). The Saga should have been left alone as
a six-part series that finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.

With JarJar Abrams coming back for Episode IX, we'll just get more of
the same lazy-ass rehashing, as well as probably his trademark
"ability" to screw it up so it makes no sense ... and then walk away to
let someone else try to clean up the mess.

[TT]

Your Name kirjoitti 18.12.2017 klo 22:11:
> On 2017-12-18 16:44:03 +0000, TT said:
>> Your Name kirjoitti 10.12.2017 klo 9:43:
>>> The latest Star Wars movie has a young Force user seeking help from
>>> an older Jedi Master
>>
>> Would have been pretty lame if there wasn't.
>>
>> The complaint for TFA was that Rey shouldn't have mastered the force
>> yet and there shouldn't have been a death star. Now your complaint is
>> that Rey wasn't fully learned
>
> I never said she should be fully trained.
>
>

My point was that with TFA Rey's Force ability without formal training
was a problem for many... and now when there's master-apprentice
relationship then that's not good enough either... seems that people are
displeased what ever the story is...

>> and that you'd apparently wanted a story about a death star.
>
> Where did I ever say anything about wanting "a story about a death
> star"!? Oh, that's right, nowhere at all. We didn't even want nor need
> the ridiculous "Death Star" in JarJar Abrams' silly previous reboot
> movie either.  :-\
>
>
>

Fair enough, I guess I was trying to say that at least there wasn't a
death star plot this time around.

>> If you're a Star Wars fan it's really hard to see how one wouldn't
>> like this film.
>
> The point was that this film, just like the previous Episode, is mostly
> a lazy rip-off of the original movies.

But you can argue the same about ROTJ with its Death Star etc.

> There's a bunch of brainless
> numbnuts in Hollyweird who haven't got the talent nor creativity to
> actually create a sensible movie that fits in with an existing
> franchise.

I agree.
I don't agree however that this director lacks creativity, at least he
didn't with "Looper", imo.

> There's also an idiotic belief, which has been around for a
> lot longer, that fans want just more of the exact same thing. A lazy-ass
> re-hash is NOT what actual fans ever want. We've already "been there,
> done that, got the T-shirt" (and the mug, action figures, collectible
> cards, ...). "Jurassic Park" is doing the same thing too.
>

You just said above "that fits the original franchise". Once again some
people are not happy if the film follows the franchise formula and some
are not happy if it doesn't.

> "Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH
> better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new
> story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in
> existing ones towards the end). The Saga should have been left alone as
> a six-part series that finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.
>

I totally disagree with Rogue One... I thought characterization was
rather weak and the film in general didn't fit the tone of previous
films. I agree it was different from other films of the franchise but I
don't think that was a good thing in this case, it didn't FEEL or look
like Star Wars to me.

> With JarJar Abrams coming back for Episode IX, we'll just get more of
> the same lazy-ass rehashing, as well as probably his trademark "ability"
> to screw it up so it makes no sense ... and then walk away to let
> someone else try to clean up the mess.
>
>

JJ Abrams didn't create a mess at all with EP 7... it was a basic
introduction to new characters leaving much open for Johnson whose film
was actually more messy and really left JJ with a formidable task.

I'm happy that JJ will be back to tie the story together hopefully with
similar elegant simplicity he displayed with TFA. I disliked his Star
Trek films but that's another story.

[Your Name]

On 2017-12-18 21:38:58 +0000, TT said:

> Your Name kirjoitti 18.12.2017 klo 22:11:
>> On 2017-12-18 16:44:03 +0000, TT said:
>>> Your Name kirjoitti 10.12.2017 klo 9:43:
>>>> The latest Star Wars movie has a young Force user seeking help from an
>>>> older Jedi Master
>>>
>>> Would have been pretty lame if there wasn't.
>>>
>>> The complaint for TFA was that Rey shouldn't have mastered the force
>>> yet and there shouldn't have been a death star. Now your complaint is
>>> that Rey wasn't fully learned
>>
>> I never said she should be fully trained.
>
> My point was that with TFA Rey's Force ability without formal training
> was a problem for many... and now when there's master-apprentice
> relationship then that's not good enough either... seems that people
> are displeased what ever the story is...

It's not the "master-apprentice relationship" that's the problem ...
that's simply one of the many things that mark this movie as simply yet
another lazy rehash of the originals.

>>> and that you'd apparently wanted a story about a death star.
>>
>> Where did I ever say anything about wanting "a story about a death
>> star"!? Oh, that's right, nowhere at all. We didn't even want nor need
>> the ridiculous "Death Star" in JarJar Abrams' silly previous reboot
>> movie either.  :-\
>
> Fair enough, I guess I was trying to say that at least there wasn't a
> death star plot this time around.

Nope, but there was a lightsabre battle in the Empero... err, Snoke's
throne room. Just yet another of the many many knock-off scenes in the
supposedly "new episodes".

>>> If you're a Star Wars fan it's really hard to see how one wouldn't like
>>> this film.
>>
>> The point was that this film, just like the previous Episode, is mostly
>> a lazy rip-off of the original movies.
>
> But you can argue the same about ROTJ with its Death Star etc.

Only in that there was another Death Star space battle. The rest of it
is pretty much new stuff.

>> There's a bunch of brainless numbnuts in Hollyweird who haven't got the
>> talent nor creativity to actually create a sensible movie that fits in
>> with an existing franchise.
>
> I agree.
> I don't agree however that this director lacks creativity, at least he
> didn't with "Looper", imo.
>
>> There's also an idiotic belief, which has been around for a lot longer,
>> that fans want just more of the exact same thing. A lazy-ass re-hash is
>> NOT what actual fans ever want. We've already "been there, done that,
>> got the T-shirt" (and the mug, action figures, collectible cards, ...).
>> "Jurassic Park" is doing the same thing too.
>>
>
> You just said above "that fits the original franchise". Once again some
> people are not happy if the film follows the franchise formula and some
> are not happy if it doesn't.

There's no need to lazily rehash what has been done already. It is
possible to create new stories within the universe that are actually
*new*.

>> "Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH
>> better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new
>> story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in
>> existing ones towards the end). The Saga should have been left alone as
>> a six-part series that finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.
>
> I totally disagree with Rogue One... I thought characterization was
> rather weak and the film in general didn't fit the tone of previous
> films. I agree it was different from other films of the franchise but I
> don't think that was a good thing in this case, it didn't FEEL or look
> like Star Wars to me.

I didn't say it was a good film in itself, simply that it's much better
than either of the lazy rehashes Episode VII or VIII. At least "Rogue
One" tells different story, rather than simply ripping off what has
already been done in the original movies.

>> With JarJar Abrams coming back for Episode IX, we'll just get more of
>> the same lazy-ass rehashing, as well as probably his trademark
>> "ability" to screw it up so it makes no sense ... and then walk away to
>> let someone else try to clean up the mess.
>
> JJ Abrams didn't create a mess at all with EP 7... it was a basic
> introduction to new characters leaving much open for Johnson whose film
> was actually more messy and really left JJ with a formidable task.
>
> I'm happy that JJ will be back to tie the story together hopefully with
> similar elegant simplicity he displayed with TFA. I disliked his Star
> Trek films but that's another story.

JJ Abrams always makes a mess, even when he starts off okay
(relatively). He screwed up Lost, Star Trek, Alias, Felicity, Fringe
... nothing he ever does makes sense.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:p19m50$1ab6$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

> I didn't say it was a good film in itself, simply that it's much
> better than either of the lazy rehashes Episode VII or VIII. At
> least "Rogue One" tells different story, rather than simply
> ripping off what has already been done in the original movies.
>

You do realize, don't you, that the entirety of that movie was based
on a line *in* the original movie?

--
Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[TT]

Your Name kirjoitti 19.12.2017 klo 2:22:
> Nope, but there was a lightsabre battle in the Empero... err, Snoke's
> throne room. Just yet another of the many many knock-off scenes in the
> supposedly "new episodes".
>

That was a definite 'callback' yes... I liked it.

But it was also different than in ROTJ where Vader turns from the dark
side... here Kylo Ren becomes more evil, takes Snoke's place...

It was also visually nice looking (red)... and I also liked to see Rey &
Ren fight in unison against Pretorian Guards (red).

>>>> If you're a Star Wars fan it's really hard to see how one wouldn't
>>>> like this film.
>>>
>>> The point was that this film, just like the previous Episode, is
>>> mostly a lazy rip-off of the original movies.
>>
>> But you can argue the same about ROTJ with its Death Star etc.
>
> Only in that there was another Death Star space battle. The rest of it
> is pretty much new stuff.
>

Well, one can make a film completely unrelated to Star Wars and call it
Star Wars... no Jedi etc. If they named "Chappie" Star Wars episode x,
it certainly would be different... but not really SW...

Star Wars has the Jedi, Force etc and it's about good vs evil, without
those aspects it would be easy to make it different but it wouldn't
really be SW... Lucas' prequels were ALL ABOUT callbacks, the very plots
themselves were one big callback to earlier SW films. So accusing only
new films on references to past films is not right.

>
> There's no need to lazily rehash what has been done already. It is
> possible to create new stories within the universe that are actually *new*.
>

Would be nice to see an entirely different world with, say, floating
islands, and dragons, and blue people... let's call them Na'vi. This
could be a successful new concept... Nah, probably not...

If you want entirely new universe and characters, try...
Starchaser: The Legend of Orin (1985)

I think it's pretty nice Star Warsy animation film.

>
>
>>> "Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH
>>> better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new
>>> story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in
>>> existing ones towards the end). The Saga should have been left alone
>>> as a six-part series that finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.
>>
>> I totally disagree with Rogue One... I thought characterization was
>> rather weak and the film in general didn't fit the tone of previous
>> films. I agree it was different from other films of the franchise but
>> I don't think that was a good thing in this case, it didn't FEEL or
>> look like Star Wars to me.
>
> I didn't say it was a good film in itself, simply that it's much better
> than either of the lazy rehashes Episode VII or VIII. At least "Rogue
> One" tells different story, rather than simply ripping off what has
> already been done in the original movies.
>
>
>

I'm not sure if it's a different story... as it was about death star
plans. It reminded more about standard war film than Star Wars film.

I think the ending was ripped big time from Von Trier's "Melancholia"

[Your Name]

There's an infinite number of stories within the Star Wars universe
that could be told. They don't even remotely have to have a Death Star,
an good Jedi battling evil Sith in the throne room, etc.

The animated Star Wars Rebels shows how such a thing could be done ...
at least it did to begin with, then it also started getting lazy and
dragging in all the same old characters again.

>>>> "Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH
>>>> better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new
>>>> story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in
>>>> existing ones towards the end). The Saga should have been left alone as
>>>> a six-part series that finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.
>>>
>>> I totally disagree with Rogue One... I thought characterization was
>>> rather weak and the film in general didn't fit the tone of previous
>>> films. I agree it was different from other films of the franchise but I
>>> don't think that was a good thing in this case, it didn't FEEL or look
>>> like Star Wars to me.
>>
>> I didn't say it was a good film in itself, simply that it's much better
>> than either of the lazy rehashes Episode VII or VIII. At least "Rogue
>> One" tells different story, rather than simply ripping off what has
>> already been done in the original movies.
>
> I'm not sure if it's a different story... as it was about death star
> plans. It reminded more about standard war film than Star Wars film.
>
> I think the ending was ripped big time from Von Trier's "Melancholia"

The point was that Episodes VII and VIII lazily ripped off most of the
original movies (oh dear, there's an orphan on a desert planet who is
really a Jedi, a large 'Death Star' destroying planets, a black-masked
baddie, they visit a criminal hangout and a nightclub, a big land
battle on a snowy/salty white planet... etc., etc., etc.). There's very
little that's actually new in either of them. (Not really surprising
with lazy-ass JarJar Abrams in charge.)

Rogue One was at least a new story (within the Star Wars franchise),
and it makes a better part of the overall story than simply rehahsing /
rebooting what has already been done just to be cash-in exercise. :-(

Lots of people are saying the same thing, including Mark Hamill.

[TT]

I've watched some of Rebels... ok not great imo. Clone Wars was pretty
good though... but would not necessarily make a good film (and it didn't).

Clone Wars was of course all about callbacks, good vs evil,
master-apprentice etc. I don't think you can make Star Wars without that
stuff.

Abrams wasn't in charge for the 8. Rian Johnson wrote and directed it.

I think 7 and 8 were quite different... and thus my claim that if you
disliked both then your real problem is probably not liking Rey, and
these plot grievances are just an excuse for that.

> Rogue One was at least a new story (within the Star Wars franchise), and
> it makes a better part of the overall story than simply rehahsing /
> rebooting what has already been done just to be cash-in exercise.   :-(
>
> Lots of people are saying the same thing, including Mark Hamill.
>
>

I haven't seen him say that, there's a popular youtube video which
claims that Mark says he hates TLJ - but when watching the clip he says
nothing of the kind.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in

news:p1brb8$eqk$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

> The animated Star Wars Rebels shows how such a thing could be
> done ... at least it did to begin with, then it also started
> getting lazy and dragging in all the same old characters again.
>

Because that's what the fans - who actually watch the show - keep
telling them they want to see.

You're clearly moer interested in whining than you are in *what*
you're whining about. If you didn't like the last movie, why did you
bother to see the new one? Other than to have something to whine
about, of course.

[TT]

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy kirjoitti 19.12.2017 klo 21:50:
> Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in
> news:p1brb8$eqk$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> The animated Star Wars Rebels shows how such a thing could be
>> done ... at least it did to begin with, then it also started
>> getting lazy and dragging in all the same old characters again.
>>
> Because that's what the fans - who actually watch the show - keep
> telling them they want to see.
>
> You're clearly moer interested in whining than you are in *what*
> you're whining about. If you didn't like the last movie, why did you
> bother to see the new one? Other than to have something to whine
> about, of course.
>

That's a good question... why see the 2nd film if you didn't like the
first?

[Neill Massello]

TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:

> That's a good question... why see the 2nd film if you didn't like the
> first?

Perhaps the Watercooler Effect. Some people go to these things just to
keep up with the popular culture, shallow and commercial as it is.

[Ninapenda Jibini]

nmas...@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) wrote in
news:1nhaenf.6ghog2jk896tN%nmas...@yahoo.com:

And some people are only happy when they can feel superior to their
better by whining about irrelevant shit.

--
Terry Austin

[Your Name]

"Rogue One" managed without an Master-Apprentice ... in fact it had
almost no Force stuff in it at all (the exception was the blind
character).

Abrams was still "Executive Producer" ... whether he actually did
anything is a different question though.

>> Rogue One was at least a new story (within the Star Wars franchise),
>> and it makes a better part of the overall story than simply rehahsing /
>> rebooting what has already been done just to be cash-in exercise.  
>> :-(
>>
>> Lots of people are saying the same thing, including Mark Hamill.
>
> I haven't seen him say that, there's a popular youtube video which
> claims that Mark says he hates TLJ - but when watching the clip he says
> nothing of the kind.

I never said that he said he "hated it" ... but he has said that he
thinks the Prequel Trilogy was better due to having it's own story,
rather than rehashing what has already been done. There are numerous
YouTube clips and websites with quotes.

Star Wars creator George Lucas' oft-maligned prequel trilogy is
a source of divisiveness for fans, but franchise veteran Mark
Hamill has praised the films, saying they offered a unique
experience.

"What I thought was great about the prequels was the different
technology that I had never seen before," Hamill told Metro.
"All that CGI. And the fact that [Lucas] wasn't trying to do
the same experience all over again."

The flashy trio of films featured characters from the original
movies - Yoda, Obi-Wan, Chewbacca, a younger Darth Vader, and
perennial companions R2-D2 and C-3PO - but they explored their
own path, instead of tapping into the source of what made
A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi so
popular.

"I thought The Force Awakens did that more than the early ones,
because it had that the girl from a different planet, the death
star, the Cantina sequence," Hamill said of director J.J.
Abrams' 2015 revival of the long running franchise.

[Your Name]

I didn't bother seeing the first rehash crap in cinemas. I won't be
bothering to watch the second (or third) rehash crap in cinemas either
... but I have read the reviews (many saying the exact same thing I
have said - too much of a knock-off of the originals) and seen the
trailers.

[BTR1701]

In article <SzWZB.70$8k...@uutiset.elisa.fi>, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:

> Your Name kirjoitti 18.12.2017 klo 22:11:

> > "Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH
> > better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new
> > story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in
> > existing ones towards the end).

The addition of Vader was fantastic. Finally getting to see him be a
badass (instead of being told by everyone how badass he is), was awesome.

> > The Saga should have been left alone as a six-part series that
> > finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.

Why would you want something as trite as that?

> I totally disagree with Rogue One... I thought characterization was
> rather weak and the film in general didn't fit the tone of previous
> films. I agree it was different from other films of the franchise but I
> don't think that was a good thing in this case, it didn't FEEL or look
> like Star Wars to me.

Well, one major reason for that different 'feel' was the use of a
different composer. John Williams' absence was keenly felt, and without
the Main Title march to go with it, they didn't do the traditional Star
Wars word crawl at the beginning, which set an entirely different tone
for the film.

Nevertheless, I thoroughly enjoyed ROGUE ONE. All three of the new films
have been a vast improvement over the prequels, in my opinion.

[BTR1701]

In article <p1brb8$eqk$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2017-12-19 11:03:37 +0000, TT said:

> > Star Wars has the Jedi, Force etc and it's about good vs evil, without
> > those aspects it would be easy to make it different but it wouldn't
> > really be SW... Lucas' prequels were ALL ABOUT callbacks, the very
> > plots themselves were one big callback to earlier SW films. So
> > accusing only new films on references to past films is not right.
>
> There's an infinite number of stories within the Star Wars universe
> that could be told. They don't even remotely have to have a Death Star,
> an good Jedi battling evil Sith in the throne room, etc.
>
> The animated Star Wars Rebels shows how such a thing could be done ...
> at least it did to begin with, then it also started getting lazy and
> dragging in all the same old characters again.

I thought the plotline for the FORCE UNLEASHED video games would have
made a great movie. I remember thinking at the time how ridiculous it
was the video game makers were coming up with better STAR WARS stories
than George Lucas.

[BTR1701]

In article <p1cllv$1gs5$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2017-12-19 20:24:54 +0000, TT said:

> > Clone Wars was of course all about callbacks, good vs evil,
> > master-apprentice etc. I don't think you can make Star Wars without
> > that stuff.
>
> "Rogue One" managed without an Master-Apprentice ... in fact it had
> almost no Force stuff in it at all (the exception was the blind
> character).

And Vader.

> The flashy trio of (prequel) films featured characters from

> the original movies - Yoda, Obi-Wan, Chewbacca, a younger Darth
> Vader

Don't forget a younger Luke and Leia, too.

[Your Name]

On 2017-12-20 04:41:25 +0000, BTR1701 said:
> In article <p1cllv$1gs5$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2017-12-19 20:24:54 +0000, TT said:
>>>
>>> Clone Wars was of course all about callbacks, good vs evil,
>>> master-apprentice etc. I don't think you can make Star Wars without
>>> that stuff.
>>
>> "Rogue One" managed without an Master-Apprentice ... in fact it had
>> almost no Force stuff in it at all (the exception was the blind
>> character).
>
> And Vader.

Doesn't really count seeing as he was only in it at the end.

>> The flashy trio of (prequel) films featured characters from
>> the original movies - Yoda, Obi-Wan, Chewbacca, a younger Darth
>> Vader
>
> Don't forget a younger Luke and Leia, too.

Definitely don't count since they had no lines. ;-)

[Dimensional Traveler]

I am NOT going back to rewatch that one to see if they cried as babies.

--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.

[Your Name]

They did cry in the birth sequence, since that's how movies / TV shows
always signify a new baby is alive.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohsLZxQYBk8>

[BTR1701]

In article <p1csl6$1o8j$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2017-12-20 04:41:25 +0000, BTR1701 said:

> > In article <p1cllv$1gs5$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> > Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:

> >> On 2017-12-19 20:24:54 +0000, TT said:
> >>>
> >>> Clone Wars was of course all about callbacks, good vs evil,
> >>> master-apprentice etc. I don't think you can make Star Wars
> >>> without that stuff.
> >>
> >> "Rogue One" managed without an Master-Apprentice ... in fact it
> >> had almost no Force stuff in it at all (the exception was the
> >> blind character).
> >
> > And Vader.
>
> Doesn't really count seeing as he was only in it at the end.

No, he was in it in the middle, also, when he used the Force to choke
Krennic.

[BTR1701]

In article <p1ctna$rk3$1...@dont-email.me>,

They did.

[trotsky]

On 12/19/17 10:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <SzWZB.70$8k...@uutiset.elisa.fi>, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>
>> Your Name kirjoitti 18.12.2017 klo 22:11:
>
>>> "Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH
>>> better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new
>>> story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in
>>> existing ones towards the end).
>
> The addition of Vader was fantastic. Finally getting to see him be a
> badass (instead of being told by everyone how badass he is), was awesome.
>
>>> The Saga should have been left alone as a six-part series that
>>> finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.
>
> Why would you want something as trite as that?
>
>> I totally disagree with Rogue One... I thought characterization was
>> rather weak and the film in general didn't fit the tone of previous
>> films. I agree it was different from other films of the franchise but I
>> don't think that was a good thing in this case, it didn't FEEL or look
>> like Star Wars to me.
>
> Well, one major reason for that different 'feel' was the use of a
> different composer. John Williams' absence was keenly felt,

http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2017/12/13/Star-Wars-new-last-jedi-john-williams-soundtrack-music-film-score-review/stories/201712120107

> John Williams' new 'Star Wars' soundtrack fails to excite

[hector]

That's because it's not part of the Star Wars series, but an extra.

[BTR1701]

In article <p1dek6$chp$1...@dont-email.me>, hector <bob...@there.com>
wrote:

No, Williams didn't score it because he didn't have time. He was already
scoring both LAST JEDI, THE POST, and READY PLAYER ONE. Even that was
too much and Alan Silvestri had to take over READY PLAYER ONE from him.

[Dimensional Traveler]

So they _did_ have lines.

[Your Name]

Rogue One was not part of the movie "Saga", but *everything* in the
franchise is part of the Star Wars series. That's something these
numbnuts who whine on about having a more "adult" TV series or movie
simply do not understand. It's also what Disney don't understand when
they ditched the entire existing Expanded Universe.

[Your Name]

Crying isn't "lines" ... it's "directing". It's the same as having the
script with the directing pointer "(laughs)". It's not a "line", just
something the actor needs to do.

In the case of the babies, they probably didn't cry, at least not
on-cue. The cries were most likely added in post-production and come
from different babies.

[Dimensional Traveler]

*WHOOSH*

[Your Name]

On 2017-12-19 11:03:37 +0000, TT said:
>

> If you want entirely new universe and characters, try...

I don't want something that is "entirely new universe and characters".
There's plenty of other sci-fi around to cover that.

What I, and most real fans, want is a new movie that fits within the
established Star Wars universe and is not just a lazy rehash / reboot
of what has already been done (and there's no need to keep dragging in
the same old characters and locations either - it's a massive
universe). It isn't that difficult to do, but it does require Disney
hiring someone with actual creative talent rather than a useless moron
with an over-bloated ego.

> Starchaser: The Legend of Orin (1985)
> I think it's pretty nice Star Warsy animation film.

I have got that, but haven't gotten around to watching it yet.

[trotsky]

On 12/20/17 8:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2017-12-19 11:03:37 +0000, TT said:
>>
>> If you want entirely new universe and characters, try...
>
> I don't want something that is "entirely new universe and characters".
> There's plenty of other sci-fi around to cover that.

"Star Wars" isn't sci fi, its' cowboys and Indians in space.

[Your Name]

They ride in spaceships, visit other planets and aliens, fire laser
guns, etc. ... that *IS* "sci-fi".

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in

news:p1h3pc$6cb$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

It is space opera, which does have some similarities to horse opera.

To a purist, it's science fantasy. To the average idiot on the
street, yeah, it's science fiction.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

[hector]

I meant that was why it didn't have the scrolling text at the beginning.
I wasn't commenting on the soundtrack entirely, though if Williams did
The Force Awakens maybe he should have a good look at himself for that
mangled mess.

[hector]

I was really referring to the lack of scrolling text. But Rogue One ran
rings around The Force Awakens. Many fans decided that Lucas wasn't
worthy to advance the saga's story line, so this is what we have.
Better not to care any more. I really would like to know what Lucas had
mapped out for the episodes 7-9. That is what these creators have had
to start with. It's just a reboot mentality, no class at all.
Spreading a story over 3 movies is too slow now, it's something else.

[BTR1701]

In article <p1j081$acq$1...@dont-email.me>, hector <bob...@there.com>

There's nothing mangled about the score to TFA. It's actually
thematically and harmonically very coherent.

[Your Name]

Originally Rogue One was going to have title crawl text, but they
changed their minds.
<https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1607290/rogue-one-originally-had-an-opening-crawl-heres-why-they-pulled-it>


There are some fan-made ones on places like YouTube.

[trotsky]

Oh yeah, Bach and Mozart are rolling over in their graves.

[BTR1701]

In article <tGq%B.94963$4Z6....@fx41.iad>,

Why on earth would you think Baroque-era composers would provide
appropriate scores for the STAR WARS films, you infected pissflap?

[Your Name]

For use in Steam Punk versions of the movies. ;-)

[trotsky]

Interesting, are you actually claiming that you don't comprehend why
"thematically and harmonically coherent" has relevance across all
periods of music?

[hector]

Compared to the earlier Star Wars movies, not so at all.
Anyone can hear the progress of the themes from movie to movie.
Now it's just pasted on music for a messy movie.