There are only two ways of telling the complete truth - anonymously and
posthumously.
Thomas Sowell
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I should never believe in a God who would not know how to dance.
Nietzche
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Left wing, right wing? I'm for the whole bird.
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Don't do any kinky stunts!
Houdini
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Leave Naturally
PARAPHRASE: We eat Salsa; we dance Mambo — Tito Puente
BROADCAST OF SEPTEMBER 22
DEBI: Sallsih – Too many tricks, too little dancing. Very high tempo
for a newbie. Great potential. My score=21
MELISSA: Viennese Waltz – Real Waltz to real Waltz music. Nice. My
score=21
MYA: Viennese Waltz – Bad timing; otherwise nice but too many tricks.
My score=18
KATHY: Sallsih – Pretty good but no fire. My score=21
NATALIE: Sallsih – Bouncy East Coast Swing music more suited to Jive.
Weak dance. My score=15
MACY: Viennese Waltz – Lotsa faking and pauses but it wasn't awful. My
score=18
JOANNA: Sallsih – A repetitive dance but I predict she'll be a
finalist. My score=24
KELLY: Viennese Waltz – Terrific! Good frame! Best dance of the
evening! Wow! I predict she'll be a finalist and just might win but,
then I didn't see The Men. My score=27
MY SCORES are multiples of three 'cause I can't give scores
differently than the competent judges.
The quality of the music selections this year was bad. Latin dance
should be done to Latin music and the American songbook has so much to
offer that they dont need to be playing childish worthless drivel like
"Wild Thing". I couldn't care less if the contestants are stars or
not, they work hard and I enjoy seeing their progress, I cant
disparage any contestant because I enjoy dance too and like to see
them doing the same. In fact I probably prefer the non-stars over the
"stars", because they have to get votes based on actually dancing, not
their un-earned popularity.
But the music selections have to improve for me to continue watching
this show. Otherwise I'll just be at my local clubs dancing on Mon/
Tue nights and I'll DVR it but probably not bother watching it.
> CountFloyd scribed:
>
>>My wife and I are watching the new season, and it seems that it is
>>lacking "stars". C'mon, Tom DeLay?
>
> That's enough to keep me from watching it. As one reviewer put it today,
> they need to rename the show ""Dancing With Disgraced Republican Douche
> Bags." :-)
At least this way he can't do any harm. I can think of any number of
people I'd love to see on TV, if it would only get them out of
Congress...
--
Jim Janney
>CountFloyd scribed:
>
>>My wife and I are watching the new season, and it seems that it is
>>lacking "stars". C'mon, Tom DeLay?
>
>That's enough to keep me from watching it. As one reviewer put it today,
>they need to rename the show ""Dancing With Disgraced Republican Douche
>Bags." :-)
Great, now maybe we can get yet another of these famous political
discussions going which is what mostly killed this group to begin
with.
R.I.P. rad, I won't miss you at all when my Forte APN account expires.
Bob Ford
Images In Motion
www.imagesinmotion.com
I havn't been here for about a year, I did notice it pretty much
died. I tried to change the subject to the really crappy song/
wardrobe they gave DeLay instead of his profession. If anyone else
feels the music selections (not the band) are going downhill, I dont
think I'm alone. After all they do have those guest artist nights to
inject a little pop music, so I think the bulk of the remaining music
should be the best of proven ballroom tunes. We'll suffer the pop
drivel on guest artist night.
Hmm....
I think somewhere around 535 episodes would do the trick.
Can we start with the Pelosi episode....PLEASE?
Bob Wheatley
Ahh yes......
Those unbiased dance experts...Blitzer and Cafferty....:>)
Bob Wheatley
Whuzzamatta, Bob? Have trouble with San Francisco values such as our
current Minium Wage of $9.79 that should be two dollars greater? Our
banning of smoking in the workplace twenty-five years ago? Our Health
Care Security Ordinance requiring health insurance for employees?
Yeah, we're terrible people and we love our beautiful representative.
She'll have the job for as long as she wants it.
Dianne and Barbara will probably keep their jobs, too, for as long as
they want them but we don't have much control over that.
She wouldn't last a week of rehearsals, too fragile. And she'd have
to learn to stop sticking her tongue out as she's constantly using it
to massage her dentures behind the podium when the prez speaks.
Make it 635, let's not forget the Senate. I was thinking more on the
lines of Orrin Hatch, but we all have our favorites :-)
--
Jim Janney
Oops, 535 *does* include the Senate. I obviously need more caffeine
in the mornings.
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Jim Janney
That's okay.:>)
But in that number Mr. Hatch would definitely have his own episode. Which
one, I don't care. As long as the whole corrupt lot is gone I'd be happier.
Bob Wheatley
Forgot to mention that we voted to prohibit the sale of guns and
ammunition, and ban the possession of hand guns by residents who
aren't police, security guards or military personnel.
There's currently a proposal to terminate gun shows at the Cow Palace.
Have trouble with San Francisco values, Bob?
One man's trash is another man's treasure......
Enjoy your trash.
Bob Wheatley
JOANNA: Jive. Very weak. My score=21, Judges'=20
NATALIE: QuickStep. Tough music, little control but OK dance. : My
score=21, Judges'=21
CHUCK: Tango. Impossible music! He was doing steps, not dancing. My
score=18, Judges'=19
MELISSA: Jive. Too stiff, better towad the end. My score=18,
Judges'=19
MICHAEL: QuickStep. Good music. Horrid camera work that did not allow
us to see the dance, dammit! Weak technique. My score=18, Judges'=20
DEBI: Tango. Good music. He literally carried her! My score=18,
Judges'=??
LOUIS: Jive. Weak Swivel. Unclean kicks. My score=18, Judges'=19
ANN: QuickStep. Fear-filled face. Good frame and leaps. My score=27,
Judges'=??
KELLY: Tango. Poor music. OK dance. My score=24, Judges'=19
KATHY: QuickStep. Wrong and impossible music. Weak dance. My score=18,
Judges'=??
MARK: QuickStep. OK music. Horrid camera work (we were shown a run
head-on, not from the side!). OK dance. My score=21, Judges'=21
MYA: Jive. OK music. Too little Jive. My score=21, Judges'=27
TOM: Tango. Fine 'til fin. My score was 24 but became 21, Judges'=18
DONNY: Jive. OK music. Not bad dance. Bad camera work. My score=21,
Judges'=25
My consistent complaint about this program since its inception is that
the director, on a program about DANCING, prefers to show us the
dancers' faces, the dancers' torsos', the dancers' feet, the dancers'
judges, and dancers' audience while the dancers are DANCING the dances
that are being judged! How'n'ell're we s'posed to have an opinion on
dances that we aren't allowed to see? Obviously that hasn't stopped me
but I'm not confident that my judgements are worth much.
JOANNA: Sammbih to Reggae music. She can't move; awful to watch. My
score=15; Judges'=23
MÝA: Rumba. Music started as NC2S to become C2S. Nice but dull dance.
My score=21; Judges'=27
MELISSA: Sammbih. Good music. Horrid, awful, bad footwork and
placement; off time. My score=15; Judges'=19
LOUIE: Rumba to NC2S music. Nice dance. My score=24; Judges'=21
DEBI: Sammbih. Good music. Just barely not awful. My score=18;
Judges'=17
DONNY: Rumba music OK. He was Leading (what a concept!). Lovely dance.
My score=24; Judges'=21
MICHAEL: Sammbih to difficult music. He was on time. My score=12;
Judges'=14
NATALIE: Rumba to unsuitable semi-ChaCha (Són?) music. Nice dance. My
score=24; Judges'=26
CHUCK: Sammbih music very good. Character of the dance was there but
very poorly executed. My score=18; Judges'=17
AARON: Rumba to what we dance Swing/Hustle/ChaCha. Lovely but dull. My
score=21; Judges'=21
TOM: Samba to bad music. OK dance. My score=24; Judges'=15 (Guess I
overcompensated for the pain.)
KELLY: Good music; good footwork. Nice dance. My score=24; Judges'=20
> But the music selections have to improve for me to continue watching
> this show. Otherwise I'll just be at my local clubs dancing on Mon/
> Tue nights and I'll DVR it but probably not bother watching it.
I have always thought the music choices on this show are nice songs
but completely unsuitable for the dances. But I have to say that the
show hit a new low this season with the use of the Muppet Show theme
song last week. Amazing that Aaron Carter managed to do a good dance
while dressed up like Kermit!
Christine Elowitt
Pretty well, yes. While the technique was used before, ever since the
advent of music videos in the 80s, it's been common to use frequent
changes in camera viewpoints to repetitively trigger an orientation
response. It's now so common that people who have grown up used to it
(the majority of the audience for SYTYCD and probably a good portion of
the same for DWTS) are addicted to the intense focus it triggers and find
boring anything without it. The more you watch TV, the more it happens.
Unfortunately that Muppet tune IS a stape quickstep number in the
standard ballroom world, (it's on one of the Casa Musica CD's). The
new low for me was cha cha to "Wild Thing".
CHUCK: C2S music good. No C2S QQSS was danced! My score=15; Judges'=17
MELISSA: Charleston music good. Apparently a cute, fun dance with
Charleston character but the director didn't let us see it! [See
“Shoot the Director!”] My score=24; Judges'=28
NATALIE: Bolero difficult to force into NC2S music. Nice dance that
even included some Bolero. My score=24; Judges'=24
AARON: Lambada music? It was a nice dance except for a missed
connection. My score=18; Judges'=18
MARK: C2S music good. Some C2S in dance danced off time. My score=18;
Judges'=22
KELLY: Charleston music good. Smokin' dance sans tricks. THAT's
dancing!!! Brought tears to m'eyes. My score=30; Judges'=23
JOANNA: Lambada music OK. Too many tricks, too little dancing poorly
executed. My score=18; Judges'=26
DONNY: OK Charleston music. Fun dance nicely done. My score=24;
Judges'=24
MICHAEL: Rhythm and tempo wrong for Bolero. Nice dance. My score=18;
Judges'=15
LOUIE: C2S music OK. A great many Slows, very few Quicks, badly
danced. My score=15; Judges'=16
MÝA: OK music. OK dance, what the director let us see of it [See
“Shoot the Director!”]; low fire. My score=24; Judges'=28
NATALIE: Passoh Dohblay — Impossible music! No Paso Doble danced. OK
dance. My score=21; Judges'=22
AARON: Argentyne Taingo — Bad music! Clumsy but cool. My score=24;
Judges'=24
MICHAEL: Paso Doble — Not good music! Stiff, rough. My score=21;
Judges'=21
MÝA: Tango Argentino — Horrid music! Smokin' dance! My score=27;
Judges'=27
MARK: Paso Doble forced into Samba music! — Nice dance. My score=27;
Judges'=26
DONNY: Tango Argentino — Very good music. OK dance. My score=24;
Judges'=29
LOUIE: Tango Argentino — Music OK. Dance had no fire. My score=24;
Judges'=22
MELISSA: Tango Argentino — Good music. Fiery dance poorly executed. My
score=24; Judges'=23
KELLY: Paso Doble forced into ChaCha/Swing music! — She was doing
steps, not dancing. My score=21; Judges'=?
JOANNA: Tango Argentino forced into ChaCha music!* — OK dance. My
score 24; Judges'=24
GROUP: Disco Hustle — Five recognizable Hustle steps were danced. But
it was called “Disco Hustle” and I don't know what that is.
*Just as Swing dancers, Tangueros will dance their dance to anything!
Some years ago, I was investigating the ship I'd just boarded.
Overlooking a rail, I saw a couple of Tangueros on the deck below
dancing to Norteño music. I recognized the Leader as one of the
foremost local Tango teachers to whom I shouted “You Tangueros'll
dance to anything!”
He looked up and, recognizing me, shouted back “Just as you
Swingers!”
The judges' comments about having a different partner is a statement
that they are not Social Dancers. Last night I went to a bar where
there were many dancers, none with whom I'd danced before. I had
outstanding dances with three strangers because we're Social Dancers
who can dance with anyone who knows how to dance!
KELLY: Paso Doble forced into ChaCha/Swing music! —
She was doing steps, not dancing. My score=21; Judges'=24
A miracle: ALL of tonight's music was suitable for the dance danced!
Can't remember that ever before happening on this program.
MÝA: Jitterbug*. Lotsa Jive and Lindy Hop; not really Jitterbug/East
Coast Swing. – My score=24; Judges'=24
MELISSA: Waltz. Ugly, awkward, awful. My score=18; Judges'=20
MARK: Jitterbug. Too much Jive, too many acrobatics, but a good dance.
My score=27; Judges'=26
AARON: Waltz. Where was the Waltz? Unrecognizable dance awkardly
performed. My score=21; Judges'=25
MICHAEL: Waltz. Other than being off-time, the best Waltz so far. My
score=21; Judges'=20
KELLY: Jitterbug. Lotsa Jitterbug but not danced well. My score=21;
Judges'=20
LOUIE: Jitterbug. Lotsa Jitterbug danced well. Fun dance. My score=24;
Judges'=21
JOANNA: Waltz. Lovely dance. Best of the evening. My score=27;
Judges'=26
DONNY: Jitterbug. Where was the Jitterbug? Some Lindy, some Jive, not
danced well. My score=24; Judges'=24
MAMMBOH: Classic Mambo music, lotsa fun. Joanna earned her win.
*As far as I know, there's no real definition of “Jitterbug” but I
think most people agree that it's probably formally known as East
Coast Swing. It is definitely not Jive nor Lindy Hop.
> JOANNA: Waltz. Lovely dance. Best of the evening. My score=27;
> Judges'=26
>
> MAMMBOH: Classic Mambo music, lotsa fun. Joanna earned her win.
>
> *As far as I know, there's no real definition of “Jitterbug” but I
> think most people agree that it's probably formally known as East
> Coast Swing. It is definitely not Jive nor Lindy Hop.
I would totally disagree. Jitterbug can definitely be the Lindy Hop or
East Coast Swing. Lindy Hop, not East Coast Swing, is the primary
dance done in competitions at the American Jitterbug Championships,
the Australian Jitterbug Championships, and Camp Jitterbug. Even if
you go all the way back to 1944, in the movie "Groovie Movie" they
have a funny sequence about a jitterbug lesson, and you can clearly
see the dancers doing the Lindy Hop 8-count whip as a basic step of
the jitterbug.
And I guess I am missing whatever it is that you and the judges think
is so great about Joanna Krupa's dancing. She is OK most of the time
and sometimes shines. But more often, I see an awkwardness in her
feet, knees and arms that I don't enjoy watching at all. I thought it
was obvious that Mya should have been the winner of the mambo dance-
off. I have also found Donny to be an excellent competitor this
season.
Christine Elowitt
And you did so very well. Thank you.
> I thought it was obvious that Mya should have been the
> winner of the mambo dance-off.
My comment would've been the same had Mya won. It was difficult to see
who was doing what but I thought they were quite equal in that dance.
> I have also found Donny to be an excellent competitor
Yup. He's doing well.
> And I guess I am missing whatever it is that you and the
> judges think is so great about Joanna Krupa's dancing.
They like her more than I do and I've had some strong criticisms of
her dancing. I've given her 105 points, they 119. But I restrict
myself to being divisible by three so I can't give a score of, for
example, 16.
October 26
My score=27; Judges'=26
October 19
My score 24; Judges'=24
October 12:
My score=18; Judges'=26
October 6:
My score=15; Judges'=23
September 29
My score=21, Judges'=20
September 22
My score=24
MICHAEL: FoxTrot music good — Very nice dance. My score=24; Judges'=23
DONNY: QuickStep music good — Lotsa problems and misses. My score=21;
Judges'=24
MARK: Samba music OK — Too many tricks, some off-time, generally
awful. My score=18; Judges'=19
MÝA: FoxTrot music OK — Too many tricks but a lovely dance. My
score=24; Judges'=25
AARON: Jive music good — Some non-Jive done well. My score=27;
Judges'=29
KELLY: Salsa music OK — No fire; doing steps, not dancing. My
score=18; Judges'=24
JOANNA: Rumba music good — Not much Rumba; some Bolero. Two big
bobbles. My score=21; Judges'=27
TEAM PASO DOBLE forced into Swing/Hustle/ChaCha music — Dullsville;
found nothing to like. My score=21; Judges'=24
TEAM TANGO also forced into Swing/Hustle/ChaCha music — Good dance. My
score=27; Judges'=28
*I found this evening's broadcast to be unusually entertaining.
There are only two ways of telling the complete truth - anonymously and
posthumously.
Thomas Sowell
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I should never believe in a God who would not know how to dance.
Nietzche
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Left wing, right wing? I'm for the whole bird.
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Don't do any kinky stunts!
Houdini
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Leave Naturally
That being said, there are some folks I'm really enjoying watching...
Aaron, Donnie, and sometimes Mya.
Speaking of Mya, it seems to me that she was such a strong contender
in the beginning, to the extent it was almost a case of 'who's the
pro?". But as the dance load increased she seems to have plateaued -
she doesn't seem to be dancing the multiple routines as strongly as
she was at the beginning and it's very obvious that she is not the
pro.
Loving Donnie, and it's nice that my pre-adolescent crush can be
resumed at this late date, LOL.
Kelly is not the most technical or showy of dancers but I have come to
admire her spirit and despite daddy Oz and tattoos and reality tv
shows, she genuinely seems like a sweet girl.
What puzzles me the most this season is the judges uneven comments.
Did someone blow Les? He used to be the arbiter of dance taste, at
least in the traditional ballroom dances, but now he's actually
being... dare I say..nice? Bruno seems to have been handed the role of
the baddie and Carrie Ann, well... 'nuff said. Performances they rave
about I'm scratching my head over, going "Whaaa???" And their scores
seem to be all over the board, much more so than other seasons.
And the music... [retch]
Loved watching the chemistry between Alec & Editya (sp?) on Tuesdays
results show. Beautiful couple.
just rambling..
MÝA: QuickStep music OK — Smokin' dance absent tricks. Thank you,
Director, for letting us see it. My score=30; Judges'=29
AARON: FoxTrot music good — Odd frame; too-bent knees, dorky dance. My
score=21; Judges'=23
JOANNA: QuickStop music OK— Timing problems; stiff. My score=24;
Judges'=23
KELLY: FoxTrot music OK — Dull dance nicely done. My score=24;
Judges'=25
DONNY: Viennese Waltz forced into NC2S music* — Pretty dance difficult
to judge because of the wrong music. My score=24; Judges'=26
MÝA: Samba music good— Another smokin' dance absent tricks! My
score=30; Judges'=30
AARON: Samba music not good — Not much Samba but OK dance. My
score=24; Judges'=27
JOANNA: Paso Doble forced into Samba music — Too little Paso Doble not
well done. My score=21; Judges'=29
KELLY: Jive music OK — Dance OK. My score=24; Judges'=24
DONNY:Paso Doble music OK — Dance OK. My score=24; Judges'=24
I think my scores are at greater variance from the judges' than any
other week.
*Failing to find the Waltz in the music, I got up asking my feet find
it. They found NC2S!
DONNY: Tango forced into FoxTrot music. Very weak dance. My score=21;
Judges'=21
JOANNA: Viennese Waltz to difficult music. Some off time. My score=24;
Judges'=27
KELLY: Rumba to indecipherable music. Very nice, but a bit awkward,
dance. My score=27; Judges'=24
MÝA: Waltz music good. Too many poses and tricks; too little Waltz. My
score=24; Judges'=28
DONNY: Sammbih music OK. A bit awkward but damn good! My score=27;
Judges'=26
JOANNA: ChaCha music good. Where was the ChaCha? Nice dance, whatever
it was. My score=27; Judges'=27
KELLY: QuickStep music OK. Smokin' dance! Thanks, Director, for
letting us see it. My score=27; Judges'=27
MÝA: Salsa forced into Samba music. Where was the Salsa? Nice dance.
My score=27; Judges'=30
DONNY: Jitterbug musicOK. Too many tricks but a fun dance. My
score=27; Judges'=27
JOANNA: Salsih music OK. Some Salsa hidden in the many tricks. Same
ol' wigglin' (that's not a bad thing). My score=27; Judges'=27
KELLY: ChaCha music OK. Good dance. My score=27; Judges'=27
MÝA: ChaCha music OK. Good dance. My score=27; Judges'=27
Didn't think to take paper and pen so no report on scores BUT:
I was there! So was Buddy Schwimmer.
It was great fun! The 'tween acts rouser guy is absolutely terrific
and we weren't forced to see commercial announcements.
The set looks much better than on screen and the band's sound was
vastly superior to what we got on-air.
It was also nice to see the dancing without pans, cuts, close-ups and
all the other jazz that prevents us from seeing the dancers dance.
The floor is quite large and very nice to look at. It was swept 'tween
each act and aguy with some sort of spray and a cloth took care of
troublesome spots. I was impressed! After the broadcast, I got on the
floor to feel it of moderate speed but seemingly unsprung. I think
most of us would find it fine for dancing.
Whitney Houston, to be broadcast tonight, isn't here but she was
there. She wasn't satisfied with her first performance so did it
again, a treat for us.
Someone who probably knows told me tales about the competitive ice
skating world and all the nasty things they do one to another. Before
the group dance, each of the dancers embraced each of the others in
apparent support. It was nice to see and good to know. As I always say
I always say: Dancers Are Different!
Next to me was a girl from the Dominican Republic and another from
Costa Rica. They were very loud, screaming and stuff attracting much
favorable attention 'cause they were fun, not offensive. It wouldn't
suprise me if I got some air time because of them.
I didn't see last night's broadcast and won't see tonight's, too, as
I'll be at the Double H Club and will see you tomorrow at the USOpen
after a visit to the Getty Villa.
Writing from Torrance.
> Next to me was a girl from the Dominican Republic and another from
> Costa Rica. They were very loud, screaming and stuff attracting much
> favorable attention 'cause they were fun, not offensive. It wouldn't
> suprise me if I got some air time because of them.
You did get air time, recognizably so! I was watching with a group of
dancers and we all pointed and shouted: There's Lew!!!