2000 Squiddy Winners--Full Results
Carl Henderson
Below are the full results of the 2000 Squiddies. These results were complied
from 144 eligible ballots, with votes covering a total of 1108 separate items.
Results are listed by category and number of votes received.
BEST WRITER
30: Alan Moore
16: Brian Michael Bendis
14: Warren Ellis
11: Christopher Priest, Kurt Busiek
7: Garth Ennis
6: Mark Millar
4: J. Michael Straczynski
3: Ed Brubaker, Greg Rucka, Paul Jenkins
2: Chuck Dixon, Dave Sim, Eddie Campbell, Fabian Nicieza, Linda Medley, Mark
Waid, Mike Carey, Peter David, Terry Moore
1: Alex Robinson, Andi Watson, Batton Lash, Brian Azzarello, Chris Claremont,
David Mack, Eric Shanower, Grant Morrison, Howard Mackie, James Robinson, Joe
Sacco, John Kovalic, John Porcellino, John Wagner, Mike Mignola
BEST PENCILLER
19: George Perez
14: Bryan Hitch, J.H. Williams III
9: John Cassaday
7: Gene Ha
7: P. Craig Russell
4: Alan Davis, Gary Frank
3: Carla Speed McNeil, Darick Robertson, Dave Sim, Eric Shanower, Frank
Quitely, Jeff Moy, Phil Jimenez
2: Andy Kubert, Brent Anderson, Jeff Smith, John Byrne, Mark Bagley, Peter
Snejbjerg, Stephen Sadowski
1: Adam Kubert, Andi Watson, Chris Ware, Dale Eaglesham, Damion Scott, Dave
Cooper, Eduardo Risso, Jackson Guice, Jae Lee, Joe Quesada, John Romita, Jr.,
Juan Gimenez, Michael Lark, Paul Chadwick, Paul Smith, Peter Gross, Rick
Veitch, Ryan Sook, Sal Velluto, Salvador Larocca, Sean Chen, Steve Conley,
Steve Dillon, Terry Moore, Ty Templeton, Walt Simonson, Zander Cannon
BEST INKER
13: Mick Gray, Paul Neary
8: Al Vey, Jimmy Palmiotti
7: Gerhard
6: Mark Farmer, Wade Von Grawbadger
5: Gene Ha
4: Stan Sakai, Zander Cannon
3: Al Milgrom, Andy Lanning, Bob Almond, Karl Story, Scott Hanna, Tom Palmer
2: Art Thibert, Cory Carani, Drew Geraci, Gilbert Hernandez, Kevin Nowlan,
Mike Allred, P. Craig Russell, Rachel Dodson, Terry Austin
1: Al Gordon, Bud Larosa, D-Tron, Don Hillsman, Eric Shanower, Guy Davis, Joe
Pimentel, John Costanza, John Floyd, Mark Heike, Mark Pennington, Michael
Bair, Rob Hunter, Robert Campanella, Robin Riggs, Rodney Ramos, Stephanie
Gladden, No Award
BEST PAINTER
39: Alex Ross
15: David Mack
11: Glenn Fabry
6: Charles Vess
5: Andrew Robinson, Dan Brereton, Jose Ladronn
4: Greg Horn, Joe Jusko, Tony Harris
3: Phil Hale
2: Ariel Olivetti, Christopher Moeller, Eddie Campbell, Jose Villarrubia, Mark
Smylie, Sam Kieth
1: Brian Stelfreeze, Jill Thompson, John Byrne, Massimo Frezatto, Phil
Winslade, Scott Hampton, Steve Purcell, Yslaire, No Award
BEST LETTERER
34: Todd Klein
27: Dave Sim
11: Comicraft
9: Chris Eliopoulos, John Workman
5: Tom Orzechowski
4: John Costanza, Richard Starkings
3: Ken Bruzenak, Stan Sakai
2: David Mack, William Oakley
1: Bill O'Neill, Clem Robbins, Dreamer Design, John Byrne, Ken Lopez, Kitof,
No Award
BEST COLORIST
47: Laura Depuy
10: Chris Ware
8: Laura Allred
7: Jose Villarrubia
6: Steve Oliff
4: Lynn Varley, Tom McCraw
3: Liquid! Graphics
2: Carla Feeny, Gregory Wright, Jeromy Cox, John Kalisz, Pamela Rambo, Pat
Garrahy, Richard Isanove
1: Alex Sinclair, Andrew Crossley, Dan Kemp, James Sinclair, Matt
Hollingsworth, Sherilyn von Valkenberg, Tom Luth, Tom Smith, No Award
BEST CREATIVE TEAM
15: Ellis/Cassaday/Depuy (Planetary)
Moore/Williams/Gray (Promethea)
13: Busiek/Perez/Vey/Smith (Avengers)
12: Moore/Ha/Cannon/Sinclair/Klein (Top Ten)
9: Ennis/Dillon (Preacher)
7: Bendis/Oeming/Garrahy (Powers)
Millar/Quitely (Authority)
Priest/Velluto/Almond (Black Panther)
4: Azzarello/Risso (100 Bullets)
Busiek/Immonen/Von Grawbadger/Cox (Shockrockets)
3: Aragones/Evanier/Sakai/Luth (Groo, Space Circus)
Jenkins/Lee (Sentry)
2: Bendis/Bagley (Ultimate Spider-Man)
Dixon/Guice (Birds of Prey)
Gossett/Kayl/Coulter/Snakebite (The Red Star)
Nicieza/Bagley (Thunderbolts)
Robinson/Snejbjerg (Starman)
Sim/Gerhard (Cerebus)
Straczynski/Frank (Midnight Nation)
1: Allred/Allred (Atomics)
Brubaker/McDaniel/Story (Batman)
Brubaker/Pleece/Stewart (Deadenders)
Busiek/Stern/Chen/Hunter (Iron Man)
Byrne/Palmer/Wright (X-Men: The Hidden Years)
Casey/Phillips (Wildcats)
Claremont/Larroca/Townsend (Uncanny X-Men)
David/Kirk/Riggs (Supergirl)
Dezago/Wieringo/Stull (Tellos)
Dupuy/Berberian (Drawn & Quarterly)
Ennis/McCrea (Hitman)
Jenkins/Buckingham (Peter Parker, Spider-Man)
Moore/Sprouse/Gordan (Tom Strong)
Morrison/Porter/Geraci (JLA)
Peyer/Morales/Meikis (Hourman)
Rucka/Martinbrough/Mitchell (Detective Comics)
Wood/Pugh (Generation X)
BEST COVER ARTIST
13: John Cassaday
10: Adam Hughes, Tim Bradstreet
9: Alex Ross
7: Dave Johnson, Glenn Fabry, Phil Jimenez
6: Alan Davis
5: Brian Bolland
4: Andrew Robinson, David Mack. Jae Lee
3: Andi Watson
2: J. Scott Campbell, Michael Kaluta, Rags Morales, Raven Mimura, Sean Chen,
Stan Sakai, Todd McFarlane
1: Ariel Olivetti, Arthur Adams, Carla Speed McNeil, Dave Dorman, Dave McKean,
Duncan Fegredo, Elizabeth Watasin, Erik Larsen, Gerhard, J.G. Jones, Jeff
Matsuda, John Byrne, John McCrea, Jose Ladronn, Juan Giminez, Leonardo Manco,
Mark Smylie, Mark Texeira, Mike Mignola, Mike Weiringo, Paul Grist, Phillip
Bond, Salvador Larocca, Terry Dodson, Yukito Koshiro, No Award
BEST EDITOR
47: Tom Brevoort
13: Joe Quesada
9: Scott Dunbier
8: Axel Alonso
4: Dan Raspler, Heidi MacDonald, No Award
3: Diana Schutz, Jamie S. Rich, Peter Tomasi
2: Denny O'Neil, Eddie Campbell, Gary Groth, Mark Alessi, Scott Allie, Stuart
Moore
1: Joey Cavalieri, Ralph Macchio, Renae Geerlings, Shelley Bond
BEST POLITICAL CARTOONIST
14: Garry Trudeau
12: Jeff MacNelly
11: Tom Tomorrow
4: Joe Sacco, John Kovalic, No Award, Peter Kuper, Tom Toles
3: Garrick Tremain, Steve Bell
2: Jim Borgman, Mike Luckovitch
1: Aaron McGruder, Herbert Block, John Sherffius, Martin Rowson, Matt (Daily
Telegraph), Pat Oliphant, Terho Ovaska, Vance Rodewalt
BEST COMICS SHORT STORY
8: Promethea #10 "Sex, Stars & Serpents"
7: Rising Stars #4 "Masques"
Starman #73 "Grand Guignol Epilogue"
Transmetropolitan #40 "Business"
4: Black Panther #27 "An Epidemic Insanity"
Lucifer #4 "Born with the Dead"
Planetary #12 "Memory Cloud"
Planetary #9 "Planet Fiction"
Powers #7 "Guest-starring Warren Ellis"
3: Expo 2000 "Trondheim in America"
Promethea #6 "The 5 Swell Guys in Firefight on 5th Avenue!"
Supreme: The Return #6 "New Jack City"
Top 10 #8 "The Overview"
2: "Last Day in Vietnam"
Astounding Space Thrills #2 "The Criminal Code"
Harley Quinn #3 "Welcome to the Party!"
Oni Press Summer Vacation Supercolor Fun Special "Sticks and Stones"
Peter Parker: Spider-Man #20 "The Best Medicine"
Peter Parker: Spider-Man #26 "Police Story"
Promethea #12 "Metaphore"
Promethea #8 "Guys and Dolls"
Sock Monkey V3 #2
Stray Bullets #21 "Little Love Tragedy"
1: 100 Bullets #11 "Heartbreak, Sunny Side Up"
Astounding Space Thrills #3 "The Craving of Consumorr!"
Authority #14 "The Nativity - Part 2 of 4"
Batman: Turning Points #5 "Old as the Stars"
Cable #88 "Earth Abides"
Detective Comics #747 "Happy Birthday Two You"
Dork Tower #11 "World of Dorkness"
Eddie Campbell's Bacchus #54 "The Move to Straight Street"
Elvira #88 "...That Old Get-Up and Glow"
Generation X #71 "Four Days 1 of 4"
Gotham Knights #11 "Batman's Son"
Hey Mister #7 "Eye on the Prize"
Marvel Boy #3 "Digital Koncentration Kamp One"
Nightwing #52 "Modern Romance"
Optic Nerve #7 "Summer Blonde"
Orion #5 "Day of Wrath"
Preacher #66 "A Hell of a Vision"
Promethea #7 "Rocks and Hard Places"
Red Sonja: Death In Scarlet #1
Sleeping Dragons #1
Spider-Girl #27 "Endgame"
Star Wars Tales #6 "Thank the Maker"
Strapazin "Midori"
Sunburn
Thunderbolts #39 "Black Hearts"
Tomorrow Stories #7 "Grooveweb"
BEST COMICS NOVELLA
23: Superman & Batman: World's Funnest
12: JLA: Heaven's Ladder
10: Preacher #66
8: Planetary/Authority: Ruling the World
5: Merv Pumpkinhead, Agent of DREAM, Rose #1, Shazam!: Power of Hope
4: Batman: Ego, No Award
3: Faith: A Fable, Realworlds: Wonder Woman, Superman/Green Lantern: Legend of
the Green Flame, XXXenophile Vol. 6
2: Astronauts in Trouble: One Shot, One Beer, Hulk 2000, Last Knight, X-Men
100
1: Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Ring of Fire, From Cloud 99: Memories part1, JLA
80-Page Giant #3, Last Lonely Saturday, Maximum Security: Dangerous Planet,
Peanutbutter & Jeremy, Realworlds: Batman, Realworlds: JLA
BEST ORIGINAL GRAPHIC NOVEL
21: Safe Area Gorazde
17: Pedro & Me
16: Reinventing Comics
7: JLA: League of One
4: Minor Miracles, No Award
3: Last Day in Vietnam
2: Louis: Red Letter Day
1: Blockade, Monkey vs. Robot, Star Trek: Next Generation: Gorn Crisis
BEST MULTI-PART STORY
13: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen #1-6
11: Powers #1-6 "Death of Retro Girl"
7: Age of Bronze #1-9
6: Authority #13-16 "Nativity"
Starman #62-73 "Grand Guignol"
5: Black Panther #13-25 "Killmonger Returns"
Castle Waiting (v2) #1-? "Origin of Sister Peace"
Preacher #59-66 "Alamo"
4: Black Panther #26-29 "Sturm Und Drung"
Planetary #1-12 "Who Is the Fourth Man?"
3: 100 Bullets #15-18 "Hang Up on the Hang Low"
Acme Novelty Library "Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth"
JLA #36-41 "World War III"
JLA #43-46 "Tower of Babel"
Legends of the DC Universe #30-32 "The 18th Letter"
2: Batman: Dark Victory #1-13
Hitman #53-60 "Closing Time"
Red Star #1-4 "The Battle of Kar Dathra's Gate"
Swamp Thing #4-6 "Killing Time"
Top 10 #1-12
Transmetropolitan #34-36 "Gouge Away"
Ultimate Spider-Man #1-5 "Origin"
Wolverine #150-153 "Blood Debt"
1: 100 Bullets #12-14 "Parlez Kung Vous"
Books of Magic #73-75 "The Closing"
Box Office Poison #1-21
Finder #15-18 "King of the Cats"
Fortune & Glory #1-3
Generation X #67-70 "Come On Die Young"
Hellblazer #145-150 "Hard Times"
Inhumans v. 3 #1-4
Kabuki Agents: Scarab #1-?
Louis Riel #1-?
Nevermen #1-4
Promethea #1-8
Reign of Emperor Joker (Emperor Joker #1, Superman #161, Adventures
of Superman #583, Man of Steel #105, Action Comics #770)
Rising Stars #1-8 "Born in Fire"
Rising Stars #6-8 "Things Fall Apart"
Scary Godmother: Wild About Harry #1-3
Tellos #1-10
The Sentry
The Silver Age
Usagi Yojimbo#39-45 "Grasscutter II"
Wildcats #14-19 "Serial Boxes"
X-Men: Hidden Years "In the Savage Land"
No Award
BEST ONGOING SERIES
13: Black Panther, Planetary
12: Top 10
11: Authority
8: Promethea
7: 100 Bullets, Thunderbolts
4: Age of Bronze, Finder, Rising Stars
3: Castle Waiting, Deadenders, Transmetropolitan
2: Astounding Space Thrills, Birds of Prey, Box Office Poison, Cerebus, Dork
Tower, Kane, Powers, Preacher, Starman, Strangers in Paradise, Metabarons, Tom
Strong, Usagi Yojimbo, Young Justice
1: Arsenic Lullaby, Artesia, Atomics, Black Hole, Blade of the Immortal,
Books of Magic (v2), Cable, Detective Comics, Femforce, Hitman, Invisibles ,
JSA, Kurt Busiek's Astro City, Nodwick, Orion, Ring of the Nibelung, Robin,
Supernatural Law, X-Men: The Hidden Years
BEST NEW SERIES
22: Powers
18: Lucifer
16: Ultimate Spider-Man
11: Jack Staff
8: Orion
7: Harley Quinn, The Red Star
4: No Award
3: Batman: Gotham Knights, Powerpuff Girls, Swamp Thing, The Atomics
2: Deadenders, Section Zero, Ultimate X-Men
1: Astounding Space Thrills, Batgirl, Epoxy, Knights of the Dinner Table:
Hackmasters of Evernight, Nodwick, The First
BEST LIMITED SERIES
27: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
13: Sentry
11: Midnight Nation
8: Shockrockets
7: Breakfast After Noon
6: Batman/Huntress: Cry for Blood
5: Marvel: The Lost Generation
4: Punisher
3: Blaze of Glory, Fortune & Glory, Jenny Sparks: The Secret History of the
Authority, Legion Lost, Proposition Player
2: Astronauts in Trouble: Space 1959, Blue Monday: The Kids Are Alright,
Daredevil: Ninja, Inhumans (vol. 3), Jet, Kin, Marvel Boy, Rose, Sins of Youth
1: Avengers Infinity, Battle Pope, Black Widow, Pablo's Inferno, Robin: Year
One, Space Circus, Zero Girl
BEST REPRINT BOOK/COLLECTION
10: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Lone Wolf & Cub
9: Jimmy Corrigan
8: Clan Apis
7: Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD
5: Little Nemo 1905-1914
4: Adventures of Barry Ween, Boy Genius 2.0, Castle Waiting: The Lucky Road,
Marvel Masterworks: Fantastic Four #51-60
3: Essential Avengers #2, Fortune & Glory, Inhumans (Vol. 2), Planetary: All
Over the World, Spirit Archives Vol. 1, Tales of the Bizarro World
2: Astronauts in Trouble: Space 1959, Avengers Backpack #1, Dreadstar: The
Price, Green Lantern/Green Arrow HC, Legion of Super-Heroes Archives Vol. 10,
Little Annie Fanny, No Award, Sonovawitch! And Other Tales of Supernatural
Law, Thunderbolts #39 (Monster edition), Transmetropolitan: The New Scum
1: Bughouse, Daredevil Visionaries: Frank Miller, Dork Covenant , Essential
Captain America, Essential Conan, Essential Starchild, Gatecrasher: Ring of
Fire, Gon on Safari, Here Comes a Candle, Mirror, Window, Plastic Man Archives
2, Preacher: All Hell's A-Coming, Robert E. Howard's Horror, Spirit Archives
Vol. 3, The Authority: Under New Management, Wonder Woman Archives 2
BEST ANTHOLOGY
20: Tomorrow Stories
13: America's Best Comics Special #1
6: Drawn & Quarterly #3, No Award
5: Expo 2000, Flinch
4: Jingle Belle's All-Star Holiday Hullabaloo, Knights of the Dinner Table,
Super Manga Blast
3: Astounding Space Thrills, Eddie Campbell's Bacchus, Streetwise
2: Dark Horse Presents, Gangland, Lenore, Oni Press Summer Vacation Supercolor
Fun Special, Star Wars Tales
1: Bart Simpson's Treehouse of Horror, Batman Chronicles, Batman: Gotham
Knights #2, Comix 2000, Dork Tower, Femforce #113, JLA Showcase 80-Page Giant
#2, Pulp, Simpsons Comics #50
BEST COMIC STRIP
13: Dilbert
8: For Better or For Worse, Liberty Meadows, Mutts
6: Doonesbury, Foxtrot
5: Dork Tower
4: Boondocks, Get Fuzzy, Peanuts, This Modern World (Tom Tomorrow)
3: Robotman, Zits
2: Desperate Times, If..., Rose is Rose, Speed Bump, Zippy the Pinhead 1:
Alley Oop, Baby Blues, Dykes to Watch Out For, Family Circus, Funky
Winkerbean, Life in Hell, Maakies, Mister Boffo, Modesty Blaise, No Award, Pop
Vulture, Raising Duncan, Sherman's Lagoon, Sluggy Freelance, This City
BEST WEB COMIC
29: Zot! Hearts & Minds (www.cbr.cc)
15: Astounding Space Thrills (www.astoundingspacethrills.com)
5: Dork Tower (www.kovalic.com)
Sluggy Freelance (www.sluggy.com)
4: No Award
3: I Can't Stop Thinking! (www.thecomicreader.com/html/icst/icst.html)
Liberty Meadows (www.SunnyFundays.com)
PvP (www.pvponline.com)
Ultimate Spider-Man (www.marvel.com/ultimate)
2: Frightening Curves (www.opi8.com/fc.shtml )
The Crater Kid (www.craterkid.com)
1: Aftermath (www.thehud.com)
Alice ! (www.alicecomics.com/today.html)
Electric Sheep (www.e-sheep.com)
Gilgamesh (www.eddiecampbellcomics.com/gilgamesh/gilgamesh1.html)
Kevin & Kell (www.herdthinners.com)
Lethargic Lad Adventures (www.lethargiclad.com)
Rust (www.popimage.com/rust/index.htm)
Sabrina Online (www.sabrina-online.com)
Sinfest (www.sinfest.net)
Spex and Wally (www.spexandwally.com)
The Japanese Beetle! (www.wfcomics.com/beetle)
User Friendly (www.userfriendly.org)
BEST COMPANY/IMPRINT
27: DC Comics
16: Marvel
15: DC/America's Best Comics
12: DC/Wildstorm
10: Marvel Knights
8: DC/Vertigo
5: Top Cow/Joe's Comics
4: Fantagraphics, Gorilla, Oni Press
3: Dark Horse Comics, Drawn & Quarterly, Image
2: AiT/PlaNETlar, Amaze Ink/Slave Labor Graphics, Dark Horse/Maverick,
Milestone, Top Shelf
1: AC Comics, Cartoon Books, Dancing Elephant Press, Dork Storm Press,
Humanoids Publishing, No Award, Pantheon Books, Shanda Fantasy Arts, Top Cow
BEST CHARACTER
13: Black Panther
6: Promethea, Everett K. Ross (Black Panther)
5: Batman, Jack Knight (Starman), Jenny Sparks (The Authority), Sentry, Spider
Jerusalem (Transmetropolitan), Tom Strong
4: Jaeger (Finder)
3: Cerebus, Jimmy Corrigan, Wonder Woman
2: Brian Michael Bendis (Fortune & Glory), Elijah Snow (Planetary), Girl One
(Top 10), Hitman, Jack Hawksmoor (The Authority), Jennie 2.5 (Channel Zero),
Lucifer, Magical Witch Girl Bunny (Charm School), Midnighter (The Authority),
Nightwing, Oracle, Orion, Tefe Holland (Swamp Thing), Thor, No Award
1: Agent Graves (100 Bullets), Alec (Eddie Campbell), Argosy Smith (Astounding
Space Thrills), Arrowette (Young Justice), Artesia, Aunt May, Bleu (Blue
Monday), Cannonball, Captain Marvel (Billy Batson), Flash, Gilly the Perky
Goth (Dork Tower), Harley Quinn, Hawkeye, Hawley Griffin (League of
Extraordinary Gentlemen), Hellboy, Hexus, the Living Corporation (Marvel Boy),
Iron Man, Jesse Custer (Preacher), John Constantine, Mavis (Supernatural Law),
Nikopol (Nikopol Trilogy), Odysseus (Age of Bronze), Phantom Stranger, Poet
(Rising Stars), Queen Divine Justice (Black Panther), Rogue, Saturn Girl,
Spectre (Hal Jordan), Spider-Man, Spirit, Superboy, Superman, Ted Knight
(Starman), The Doctor (The Authority), Theremin (Astounding Space Thrills),
Usagi Yojimbo, Virginia (Electric Girl)
BEST CHARACTER TEAM
15: The Authority, Top Ten (cast of)
12: Avengers
11: JSA
8: JLA, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Planetary
6: Thunderbolts, Young Justice
5: Legion of Super-Heroes
4: Black Panther (cast of), Spider Jerusalem & "filthy assistants"
3: Box Office Poison (cast of), X-Men, No Award
2: Bone (cast of), Knights of the Dinner Table, Starman (cast of), Wolff &
Byrd/Supernatural Law (cast of)
1: The Atomics, Birds of Prey, Breakfast After Noon (cast of), Fantastic Four,
Femforce, Generation X, Hitman (cast of), Metabarons, Midnight Nation (cast
of), Quantum & Woody, Specials (from Rising Stars), Titans, Wildcats
BEST DRAMATIC ADAPTATION
60: X-Men movie
11: No Award
6: Batman Beyond
6: Static Shock
4: Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
3: Witchblade, X-Men: Evolution
2: Sabrina the Teenage Witch
1: Batman Beyond "Out of the Past," Space Travelers
BEST TEXT ADAPTATION
15: Transmetropolitan: I Hate It Here
14: No Award
6: Batman: No Man's Land, Grendel: Past Prime
4: Gamma Quest Trilogy (X-Men/Avengers)
3: Akiko on the Planet Smoo, X-Men: Shadows of the Past
1: Sable
BEST MERCHANDISE ADAPTATION
10: Spider-Man video game
8: No Award
4: Promethea statue, Sandman mini-bookends
3: Bizarro watch, Death Row Marv, Green Lantern Power Battery,
Hawkman/Hawkwoman action figure set, Shazam! deluxe action figure set, Silent
Bob action figure
2: Black Widow statue, Delirium soft toy, Doctor Doom statue, Golden Age
Wonder Woman action figure, Wonder Woman statue
1: Bat-Mite soft toy, Batman Beyond Burger King toys, Batman Masterpiece
Collection action figure, Bottle City of Kandor, Death Ankh, Flash PVC set,
Gilly the Perky Goth's Perky Ankh, Golden Age Flash action figure, Golden Age
GL action figure, Hellblazer action figure, Ignatz statue, JSA PVC set, Kabuki
Scarab bust, Kaneda action figure, Mr. Miracle/Big Barda action figure set,
Rogue in X-Men Uniform action figure, Spawn V action figure, Vision bust,
Wonder Woman Barbie doll
BEST COMICS PUBLICATION
22: Comics Journal
14: Comic Buyers Guide
11: Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay, Comic Book Artist
10: Comics International
8: Wizard
7: Alter Ego
4: Comicology, No Award
3: Comic Shop News, Comics Retailer
2: Busted (CBLDF Newsletter)
1: Comics Scene 2000, Jack Kirby Collector, Reinventing Comics, Vertigo
Visions
BEST FOCUSED COMICS WEBSITE
14: Warren Ellis Forum (www.delphi.com/ellis)
7: Marvel Chronology Project (www.chronologyproject.com)
Warren Ellis site (www.warrenellis.com)
6: Avengers Assemble (www.avengersassemble.org)
DigitalPriest.com (www.digital-priest.com)
5: Grant Morrison (www.grant-morrison.com)
Jinxworld (www.jinxworld.com)
4: Jess Nevins' Annotations Page
(www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/7160/annos.html)
X-Fan (www.fandom.com/x-men)
3: Astounding Space Thrills (www.astoundingspacethrills.com)
2: Andi Watson (www.andiwatson.com)
Eddie Campbell (www.eddiecampbellcomics.com)
Legion of Super-Resources (www.idyllmtn.com/rac/dc/lsh/lsh_res.htm)
No Award
1: Better Batman Bureau (www.weld18.demon.co.uk/Default.htm)
Dark Horse (www.darkhorse.com)
DCU Animated (users.ev1.net/~kryptcom/animatrix.html)
Dixonverse (www.dixonverse.com)
Encyclopedia Galactica (www.exploremaine.com/~duke)
Femfans Clubhouse (users.erols.com/psmonsky/club.html)
Fonts of Wisdom (home.att.net/~lubakmetyk)
John Byrne (www.acc.umu.se/~alpha/byrne/start.html)
JSA Appreciation Association
(clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thejsaappreciationassociation)
Mike Grell Page (members.tripod.com/colinhome/grell.htm)
Mikel Midnight's Golden Age Directory
(www.best.com/~blaklion/comics.html)
PvP Online (www.pvponline.com)
Roger Langridge (www.hotelfred.com)
Scott McCloud (www.scottmccloud.com)
Sugar & Spike Webpage (beam.to/sugarandspike)
Superman CINEMA (www.deceptions.net/superman/)
Tellos (www.tellos.com)
The Comics Journal (tcj.com)
The Marvel Family Web (shazam.imginc.com)
Titan's Lair (www.keeffee.com/titans)
Unoffical Green Arrow Compendium (www.fgi.net/~grnarrow/ga.html)
BEST GENERAL COMICS WEBSITE
33: Comic Book Resources (www.cbr.cc)
25: Newsarama (www.fandom.com/comics)
9: Comicon (www.comicon.com)
7: All the Rage (www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/index1.htm)
6: Comics Continuum (www.comicscontinuum.com)
Sequential Tart (www.sequentialtart.com)
5: Fandom.com (www.fandom.com)
4: NCRL (www.comiclist.com)
Savant (www.savantmag.com)
3: Comic Book Galaxy (www.comicbookgalaxy.com)
2: 4-Color Review (www.4colorreview.com)
Comics Worth Reading (www.comicsworthreading.com)
1: Alvaro's Boards (www.comicboards.com)
Comic Books Awards Almanac
(www.enteract.com/~aardy/comics/awards/index.html)
Jay's Comic Book Compendium (www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/1434/)
Popimage (www.popimage.com)
Psycomic (www.psycomic.com)
Silver Bullet Comics (www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com)
Slush Factory (www.slushfactory.com)
No Award
BEST COMICS JOURNALIST
35: Rich Johnston
11: Michael Doran
7: Paul O'Brien
5: Steven Grant
4: Warren Ellis
3: Matt Brady, Johanna Draper Carlson, Randy Lander, Beau Yarbrough, Dave Van
Domelen, No Award
2: Michael Dean, Alan David Doane, Ed Mathews, Alex Tam, Maggie Thompson,
Larry Young
1: Rob Alstetter, Jason Baldwin, Bart Beaty, Brian Domingos, R.C. Harvey, Jim
"Spooon" Henry, Patrick Keller, John Morrow, Rob Nott, Mike Sangiacomo, J.
Michael Straczynski, Rick Veitch, Jonah Weiland, Douglas Wolk
FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
32: Johanna Draper Carlson
26: Paul O'Brien
17: Dave Van Domelen
15: Sidne Gail Ward
13: Tom Galloway
11: Carl Henderson, Elayne Riggs, Todd VerBeek
10: Michael Alan Chary
8: Bala Menon, Talon (Rick Sharer)
7: Loren Di Iorio, No Award
6: Owen Erasmus
5: Randy Lander, Kevin Maroney
4: Kate Hahn, Rob Hansen, Matt High, Ralph Mathieu, David W. Stepp
3: Carl Fink, Bennet H. Marks, Alan Travis, Sean Walsh
2: Jerry Boyajian, Adrian Brown, Brad Chamberlain, Chip, Alan David Doane,
Jacob T. Levy, Jess Nevins, T. Troy McNemar
1: Matt Adler, Joe Ankenbauer, John Bacon, Lia Brown, Consul de Designers,
Thad A Dora, Forge, Brian Fried, Jim "Spooon" Henry, Sean Kleefeld, Todd
Kogutt (Scavenger), Ali T. Kokmen, Soleil Lapierre, Laurent Lehmann, Todd
Luck, De Parker, Rutog, Katie Schwarz, Lee Seitz, Chris Small, Dezmo Steed,
Alan Stone, Nenad Vidovic, Ed Whitmore, Dwight Williams, Will/Squidly,
FAVORITE RAC'ER (CREATOR)
68: Kurt Busiek
50: Christopher Priest
19: Tom Brevoort
15: Peter David, Steve Lieber
14: Warren Ellis, Dwayne McDuffie, Fabian Nicieza
9: Mark Evanier
8: Ty Templeton
7: Rich Johnston, Joe Quesada
5: Brian Michael Bendis, Tony Isabella, Erik Larsen
4: Chris Claremont, D. Curtis Johnson, Walt Simonson, No Award
3: Terry Beatty, Paul Jenkins, Richard Pace, Larry Young
2: Ed Brubake, Jackie Estrada, Lea Hernandez, Scott McCloud, Heidi MacDonald,
Jeff Moy
1: Steve Conley, Steven Grant, John Kovalic, Richard Pini, Robin Riggs, Ted
Rall, Greg Rucka
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Charles LePage
wrote:
>BEST GENERAL COMICS WEBSITE
>4: NCRL (www.comiclist.com)
Thank you to the four people who voted for my site, whomever you are.
*Charles S. LePage www.comiclist.com *
* NCRL: New Comic Book Releases List *
James Schee
>2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
Woo hoo! When you vote on the first day as I did, it then seems like ages to
finish.:)
You and Johanna did a great job on the awards, and I (and I'm sure others)
really appreciate it!
>BEST WRITER
>
>30: Alan Moore
>16: Brian Michael Bendis
>14: Warren Ellis
>11: Christopher Priest, Kurt Busiek
>7: Garth Ennis
Hmm must say I'm not that shocked by the first 5, Ennis is a little surprising
to me though.
>BEST PENCILLER
>
>19: George Perez
Wow Geogre wins this every year it seems.:)
I'll be interested in seeing if George maintains the same popularity by this
time next year. (if he's still with CrossGen that is)
Of course since JLA/Avengers is possible by that time I'm sure he will be.
>7: P. Craig Russell
Hmm a new name to me anyway. What does he/she work on?
>BEST CREATIVE TEAM
>15: Ellis/Cassaday/Depuy (Planetary)
> Moore/Williams/Gray (Promethea)
>13: Busiek/Perez/Vey/Smith (Avengers)
>12: Moore/Ha/Cannon/Sinclair/Klein (Top Ten)
Wow now that was one really tight race!
>BEST ORIGINAL GRAPHIC NOVEL
>
>21: Safe Area Gorazde
I'll have to give this a try I guess.
>16: Reinventing Comics
This too. Would this have also fit in the publication about comics category?
>BEST NEW SERIES
>
>22: Powers
>18: Lucifer
I did not realize Lucifer was so popular, I've found it to be an interesting
series but didn't see much talk about it. I may have to start looking at the
vertigo group a bit more closely now.:)
>BEST LIMITED SERIES
>
>27: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Wow, is this finally finished yet?:)
>FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
>
>32: Johanna Draper Carlson
>26: Paul O'Brien
>17: Dave Van Domelen
>15: Sidne Gail Ward
Yep all 4 are people whose posts I specifically seek out on my visits here..
Congrats to all of the winners!
James
Thomas Galloway
>
>32: Johanna Draper Carlson
>26: Paul O'Brien
>17: Dave Van Domelen
>15: Sidne Gail Ward
>13: Tom Galloway
>11: Carl Henderson, Elayne Riggs, Todd VerBeek
Always the most difficult category for me to vote in, since there are
so many worthy candidates. While thanks to those who voted for me (I really
wasn't expecting to make top five this year), I have to say that I think
at least two of you were nuts in that Carl certainly deserved a higher
ranking than me this year (i.e. anyone who voted for me and not him) based
both on general posts and sheer service to r.a.c. for the combo of FAQkeeping,
net.copping for sale posts, and administering the Squiddies, a trifecta
I don't think anyone else has done.
tyg t...@panix.com
Talon The Merciful
carl.he...@airmail.net says...
>
>2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
>
>Below are the full results of the 2000 Squiddies. These results were complied
>from 144 eligible ballots, with votes covering a total of 1108 separate items.
>Results are listed by category and number of votes received.
Wow. Once again, thanks to both Carl and Johanna for the incredible amount of
work. Yes, the job is still yours! :)
>BEST WRITER
>
>30: Alan Moore
Great choice. If the true winner can't get it, this one fills in nicely.
>2: Dave Sim
True winner. Heh. Looks like this was me and Brandt?
>BEST PENCILLER
>
>19: George Perez
Good, safe choice.
4: Gary Frank
Only four?
3: Dave Sim
Oooh! An extra vote! OK, confess!
>BEST INKER
>13: Mick Gray, Paul Neary
Weak.
>7: Gerhard
By far. Good to see the better support here.
And you know, Sim also inks his own pencils. :)
>BEST PAINTER
>
>39: Alex Ross
In a league of his own.
>BEST LETTERER
>
>34: Todd Klein
Adequate.
>27: Dave Sim
Hands down winner of this category.
>BEST CREATIVE TEAM
>
>15: Ellis/Cassaday/Depuy (Planetary)
> Moore/Williams/Gray (Promethea)
Neither one thrills me.
>2: Sim/Gerhard (Cerebus)
Me and you, Brandt!! :)
>BEST EDITOR
No such thing! ;)
>BEST COMICS SHORT STORY
>
>8: Promethea #10 "Sex, Stars & Serpents"
>7: Rising Stars #4 "Masques"
Wow. Finally, a little reward. Very cool.
>BEST ONGOING SERIES
>
>13: Black Panther, Planetary
Again, adequate.
>4: Rising Stars
Great! Just in time for the current issue!
>2: Cerebus
Who could possibly be voting for this great title?!?!? :)
>BEST NEW SERIES
>
>22: Powers
Agreed. Congrats.
>BEST LIMITED SERIES
>
>27: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Well-deserved.
>11: Midnight Nation
Yes!
>BEST WEB COMIC
>
>29: Zot! Hearts & Minds (www.cbr.cc)
Never a doubt.
>BEST CHARACTER
>
>13: Black Panther
If you say so...
>3: Cerebus
OK, who's the other voter??? You are so correct.
>BEST DRAMATIC ADAPTATION
>
>60: X-Men movie
The only question was whether it would break 100.
>BEST COMICS PUBLICATION
>
>22: Comics Journal
Disagree! ;)
>BEST GENERAL COMICS WEBSITE
>
>33: Comic Book Resources (www.cbr.cc)
Congrats. This is where most people go.
>4: NCRL (www.comiclist.com)
Way to go, Charles!
>3: Comic Book Galaxy (www.comicbookgalaxy.com)
Whoa! All that hype and only three votes?
>BEST COMICS JOURNALIST
>
>35: Rich Johnston
Another hard worker gets a well-deserved award. Congrats.
>FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
>
>32: Johanna Draper Carlson
Absolutely! The Darling of the Opera. :)
>15: Sidne Gail Ward
Does she still post here? ;)
>11: Carl Henderson
You deserved better, but congrats, you earned every vote.
>8: Talon (Rick Sharer)
Oh. This beats my previous high by two votes. God bless all of you, but next
time vote for Sim too, fer cryin' out loud!!!!!! :)
>FAVORITE RAC'ER (CREATOR)
>
>68: Kurt Busiek
>50: Christopher Priest
The Battle of the Bands. Kurt, if Astro City came out monthly you might've
broken the century mark.
>1: Robin Riggs
It's nice to be married!
Talon T M
Absolute Ruler of RACM
THANKS FOR YOUR VOTES!!
Nenad Vidovic
Carl Henderson wrote:
>
> 2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
>
> Below are the full results of the 2000 Squiddies. These results were complied
> from 144 eligible ballots, with votes covering a total of 1108 separate items.
> Results are listed by category and number of votes received.
First of all thanks goes to the Carl and Johanna for organizing this
thing. Although there were some problems with my ballot, it turned out
that it didn't matter in the end.
Sometimes I feel like either I have bad taste or the world is turned
upside down.
>
> BEST WRITER
>
> 30: Alan Moore
Recently I visited Alan Moore fan site and the best work of Alan Moore
is 'Watchmen'. Hm...in opinion 'V for Vendetta' is far way ahead and 'A
Small Killing' is also better than 'Watchmen'. I haven't read any of the
'new' Alan Moore stuff (at some point I'll try it out), but it all seems
JASS.
What did I vote here? Let's see...ah,yes...
> 1: John Porcellino
>
> BEST PENCILLER
And here?
> 1: Juan Gimenez
I am starting to see a pattern here
> BEST PAINTER
> 1: Yslaire
Best damned painter - read 'From Clouds' to see why...
>
> BEST CREATIVE TEAM
>
> 1: Dupuy/Berberian (Drawn & Quarterly)
Yes of course.
> BEST COMICS SHORT STORY
> 1: Strapazin "Midori"
>
> BEST COMICS NOVELLA
> 1: From Cloud 99: Memories part1
How many people have actually read this, I wonder?
>
> BEST ORIGINAL GRAPHIC NOVEL
> 2: Louis: Red Letter Day
Well, well...someone else gave a vote to this. How odd.
> BEST ONGOING SERIES
> 1: Black Hole
But of course back to the usual...
> BEST NEW SERIES
> 1: Epoxy
>
> BEST LIMITED SERIES
I can see that my vote for 'Metabarons' was not even included
here...Doesn't really matter - I was the only one, anyway.
>
> BEST REPRINT BOOK/COLLECTION
> 1: Mirror, Window
> BEST ANTHOLOGY
> 6: Drawn & Quarterly #3
Wow, 5 other people felt this deserved an award! I am thrilled...
>
> BEST COMIC STRIP
1: This City
Yes, of course...and a correction there - it is 'The City' by Derf.
Although quality varied from week to week it still keeps me enough
entertained to keep opening the 'Escort' section where this strip is
printed in eye magazine and that ain't a small thing.
>
> BEST COMPANY/IMPRINT
>
> 27: DC Comics
> 16: Marvel
> 15: DC/America's Best Comics
> 12: DC/Wildstorm
> 10: Marvel Knights
> 8: DC/Vertigo
> 5: Top Cow/Joe's Comics
this above is of course - just depresing...maybe the criteria was best
in terms of available market share or cash - well, it certainly isn't
quality of comics.
> 4: Fantagraphics, Gorilla, Oni Press
> 3: Dark Horse Comics, Drawn & Quarterly, Image
> 2: AiT/PlaNETlar, Amaze Ink/Slave Labor Graphics, Dark Horse/Maverick,
> Milestone, Top Shelf
> 1: AC Comics, Cartoon Books, Dancing Elephant Press, Dork Storm Press,
> Humanoids Publishing, No Award, Pantheon Books, Shanda Fantasy Arts, Top Cow
>
> BEST CHARACTER
> 1: > Nikopol (Nikopol Trilogy)
Ok, I didn't really know what to put here...oh yeah maybe Gabriel Marpa
:)
>
> BEST CHARACTER TEAM
> 1: Metabarons
Same here!
> BEST COMICS PUBLICATION
>
> 22: Comics Journal
Wow, I have voted for this...but let me check...there isn't any other
comics magazine on market.
> 14: Comic Buyers Guide
> 11: Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay, Comic Book Artist
> 10: Comics International
> 8: Wizard
8 people thought that Wizard is the best comics publication..I think
Wizard deserves some kind of award...after all it is quite hard to make
a magazine that contains nothing on 100 pages!
> 7: Alter Ego
> 4: Comicology, No Award
> 3: Comic Shop News, Comics Retailer
> 2: Busted (CBLDF Newsletter)
> 1: Comics Scene 2000, Jack Kirby Collector, Reinventing Comics, Vertigo
> Visions
>
>
> BEST GENERAL COMICS WEBSITE
>
> 33: Comic Book Resources (www.cbr.cc)
> 25: Newsarama (www.fandom.com/comics)
> 9: Comicon (www.comicon.com)
I think Comicon beats the shit out of CBR and Newsarama combined!
> FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
> 1: Nenad Vidovic
No, silly...I didn't vote for myself. I do thank the soul who felt I
have somehow contributed to this newsgroup, though it is disputable how.
Regards,
nenad
Eric J. Moreels
>
> 4: Jess Nevins' Annotations Page
> (www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/7160/annos.html)
> X-Fan (www.fandom.com/x-men)
Many thanks to those 4 of you who voted for X-Fan. I really do appreciate
the support!
Cheers,
--
Eric J. Moreels
X-Fan @ Fandom.com
e-mail: xf...@fandom.com
Web: x-men.fandom.com
ICQ: 162622 AIM/MSN: XFan2K
Slushfactory.com
>BEST GENERAL COMICS WEBSITE
>1: Slush Factory (www.slushfactory.com)
Wow, thanks Ed for voting for Slush.
-brian
The Slush Factory: Your Home For Comics On The Web. Featuring interviews,
reviews, columns and more at Http://www.slushfactory.com. Visit us today!
Carl Henderson
>I can see that my vote for 'Metabarons' was not even included
>here...Doesn't really matter - I was the only one, anyway.
We got your vote, but METABARONS was ineligible for the "Best Limited Series"
award. I know that seems bizare, but Johanna and I felt constrained to go by
the defintion of that category as listed in the ballot:
:Best Limited Comic Series of 2000:
: A self-contained comic serial planned to run from 2 to 12 episodes that
: had at least one new episode published in 2000.
Since METABARONS is a 16 issue limited series, it was ineligible. We ran into
this same problem with P. Craig Russell's adaptation of RING OF THE NIBELUNGS,
which at 14 issues also was disqualified. Similarly, RISING STARS, scheduled
to run 24 issues was ineligible.
The "2 to 12 episodes" clause in the "Best Limited Series" defintion is
something that will very likely get reworked for the 2001 awards.
Carl Henderson
>>From: carl.he...@airmail.net (Carl Henderson)
>
>>2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
>>BEST PENCILLER
>>19: George Perez
>Wow Geogre wins this every year it seems.:)
Perez has won three years in a row now. But he's still way behind Alex Ross,
who has won "Best Painter" for the past EIGHT years...
>I'll be interested in seeing if George maintains the same popularity by this
>time next year. (if he's still with CrossGen that is)
>
>Of course since JLA/Avengers is possible by that time I'm sure he will be.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Perez do it again--even without a
JLA/Avengers book in 2000.
>>7: P. Craig Russell
>Hmm a new name to me anyway. What does he/she work on?
He's been working in comic--on and off--for over twenty-five years, actually.
He's best known for his work on WAR OF THE WORLDS (with Don MacGregor) back in
the 70s, his adapatations of Moorecock's Elric novels, and--most recently--for
an adaptation of RING OF THE NIBELUNGS cycle.
>>BEST ORIGINAL GRAPHIC NOVEL
>>21: Safe Area Gorazde
>I'll have to give this a try I guess.
I am going to, as well. On thing I really like the Squiddies is finding out
about good comics I've never heard of. I'm probably going to finally break
down and by PEDRO AND ME, as well.
>>16: Reinventing Comics
>This too. Would this have also fit in the publication about comics category?
Technically, it was eligible in both.
Ruckus24
>>1: Slush Factory (www.slushfactory.com)
>
>Wow, thanks Ed for voting for Slush.
>
Yes, well... next time vote. :)
Ed Mathews
Associate Editor
The Slush Factory
http://www.slushfactory.com
Carl Henderson
>In article <485A50D82AA152A5.FA761103...@lp.airnews.net>,
>Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
>>2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
>>FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
>>11: Carl Henderson, Elayne Riggs, Todd VerBeek
>Always the most difficult category for me to vote in, since there are
>so many worthy candidates. While thanks to those who voted for me (I really
>wasn't expecting to make top five this year), I have to say that I think
>at least two of you were nuts in that Carl certainly deserved a higher
>ranking than me this year (i.e. anyone who voted for me and not him) based
>both on general posts and sheer service to r.a.c. for the combo of FAQkeeping,
>net.copping for sale posts, and administering the Squiddies, a trifecta
>I don't think anyone else has done.
I really do appreciate the kind words. But eleven votes is more than cool with
me. Ultimately, I do stuff like the Squiddies, the FAQ, the Top 300 lists
because I enjoy doing it. As Mike Chary wisely pointed out to me, expecting
Usenet to love you back is kind of dumb. Nevertheless, many thanks to all
eleven of you who voted for me!
But if you want to talk about someone who deserved more votes than they got,
I'd like to point out Kate Hahn (aka Kate the Short). Not only is she the
keepers of several RAC.xbooks FAQs, she also maintains the RAC FAQ
archive--which is an invaluable service to RAC*, in particular, and to comics
fans online, in general.
During the voting, I was very tempted to make "Vote for Kate" posts. The
only thing that stopped me was the feeling that it really would have been
improper for one of the Squiddy admins to campaign for someone during the
voting. However--there's always next year. So remember: "Kate Hahn for
Favorite RAC'er in 2001."
Dave Joll
> Below are the full results of the 2000 Squiddies. These results were
complied
> from 144 eligible ballots, with votes covering a total of 1108 separate
items.
And thanks for all the hard work...
> Results are listed by category and number of votes received.
> BEST CREATIVE TEAM
> 1: Dezago/Wieringo/Stull (Tellos)
Oh well, at least I enjoyed the series...
> BEST POLITICAL CARTOONIST
> 3: Garrick Tremain
Now *that* is a surprise. Wonder who the other two were...
> BEST COMIC STRIP
> 1: Sluggy Freelance
I honestly thought Sluggy Freelance was a web comic. Or
are web comic strips eligible in the above category as well?
> FAVORITE RAC'ER (CREATOR)
> 68: Kurt Busiek
(Resisting - but only just - the temptation to utter any
questionable-taste "Superstar" references...)
Carl Henderson
>Wow. Once again, thanks to both Carl and Johanna for the incredible amount
>of work. Yes, the job is still yours! :)
In article <20010207235737...@ng-cf1.aol.com>,
jame...@aol.comNOSPAM (James Schee) wrote:
>You and Johanna did a great job on the awards, and I (and I'm sure others)
>really appreciate it!
In article <3A822F2C...@yesic.com>, ne...@yesic.com wrote:
Results are listed by category and number of votes received.
>First of all thanks goes to the Carl and Johanna for organizing this
>thing.
And a sincere "you're welcome" to all of you. For myself, I'll be glad of ten
or so Squiddy-free months, but I'm also looking forward to the 2001 awards.
Johanna and I have beem keeping notes of problems to fix, and improvements to
make so--hopefully--next year's Squiddies will be even better.
And while we are thanking people, I'd like to again recognize Todd VerBeek's
contribution in administering/maintaining the Squiddies.org website and mail
server. It has become a bit of a cliche to say "without ____, this never would
have been possible," but in Todd's case, it is the unexaggerated truth.
He kept us up and running in during a week-long nameserver outage that hit
right in the middle of voting--and the Squiddies website looks better than
ever.
Thomas Galloway
Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
>During the voting, I was very tempted to make "Vote for Kate" posts. The
>only thing that stopped me was the feeling that it really would have been
>improper for one of the Squiddy admins to campaign for someone during the
>voting. However--there's always next year. So remember: "Kate Hahn for
>Favorite RAC'er in 2001."
To be really honest (and this is not a slam at either Kate or Sidne [the
two people I can think of who had/have "campaigns" being run for 'em by
someone else]), while I like the posting of prelim "who's gotten a vote"
Squiddies postings, I really dislike campaigns being done for items.
Especially in the Favorite r.a.c.er categories. It's a combination of
thinking that, particularly in the r.a.c.er categories, people should be
familiar with who/what they like already and shouldn't be "campaigned"
into voting one way or another, as well as it bringing back memories of
the Sluggy Freelance incident (for newcomers, a couple of years ago the
voting for the Squiddies was done on the web, intended as a convenience
for voters. Which it was. But there was an unfortunate side effect that
the web ballot, combined with the notification of the Squiddies being
promoted by many websites, resulted in large numbers of people who were
unfamiliar with r.a.c. voting and skewing the results from representing
what readers of r.a.c. thought. In particular, the web comic Sluggy
Freelance urged its readers to vote for it, and a few hundred votes came
in. To his considerable credit, Pete Abrams, the creator of Sluggy,
declined the award when it was explained what'd happened and what the
problem was. But we still ended up with things like Mark Waid placing
high in the Favorite r.a.c.er despite making fewer than ten posts all
that year based just on his name recognition to non-r.a.c.ers).
Anyway, I really hope there aren't any "campaigns" for folks next year.
Just feels wrong, in a way giving me more the feeling that such turn
the category into a "X vs. Y" scenario than a way of recognizing folk.
tyg t...@panix.com
Thomas Galloway
Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
>Since METABARONS is a 16 issue limited series, it was ineligible. We ran into
>this same problem with P. Craig Russell's adaptation of RING OF THE NIBELUNGS,
>which at 14 issues also was disqualified. Similarly, RISING STARS, scheduled
>to run 24 issues was ineligible.
>
>The "2 to 12 episodes" clause in the "Best Limited Series" defintion is
>something that will very likely get reworked for the 2001 awards.
I hope not. Unless you want to count Cerebus as a limited series, you have
to pick some number between 2 and 300 as a stopping point, and 12 has been
the industry standard for the upper bound on a limited series. And with
a number of "ongoing" series being cancelled before or shortly after the
12 issue mark, it'd sure seem odd for a series running considerably longer
than that to be counted as "limited".
I think the real problem is that RING ended up as an unusual number of
issues (quick, name another 14 issue limited series...) that's also
very close to the 12 issue limit. To paraphrase from discussion about
Hugo Award categories, sometimes you just have to live with the fact
that something unusual comes down the pike that doesn't fit existing
categories well and so won't win an award; we don't have to give awards
to everything/category.
The three categories I think need tweaking for next year are the
Comic Strip/Web Comic combo and Publication About Comics. For the
former two, comic strip should be limited to something like "syndicated or
primary appearance in a non-electonic form" (the second in case someone
wants to nominate something like a strip appearing in a college newspaper
which is also in that paper's web version) and web comic to something
like "first appearance on the web with a significant time difference
before appearing on paper" (i.e. just because you can read For Better Or
For Worse on the Houston Chronicle website at 0100 Eastern time each day
but not in a printed newspaper until 0300 or so Eastern time doesn't make
it a web comic).
For Publication About Comics, the intent has always been "Periodical
Publication About Comics"; Kavalier and Clay and Reinventing Comics never
should have been eligible in the category as its a serious apples and
oranges situation to do so.
tyg t...@panix.com
Alan David Doane
wrote:
>>3: Comic Book Galaxy (www.comicbookgalaxy.com)
>Whoa! All that hype and only three votes?
Three more than your web site got, Talon.
Thanks to the three voters, it's nice to be noticed. I would have
voted if I could have figured out how to.
: )
Alan David Doane
Editor-in-Chief
Comic Book Galaxy
http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com
Dave Joll
> I think the real problem is that RING ended up as an unusual number of
> issues (quick, name another 14 issue limited series...)
Earth X (0-12 and issue X)
(took me half a minute to think of it though...)
Rich Johnston
>34: Todd Klein
>27: Dave Sim
Question to the Squiddy voters. Are there people here who are familiar with both
Klein and Sim's lettering work this year who still voted for Todd?
If so, I'd like to try and understand why.
>BEST COMICS JOURNALIST
>35: Rich Johnston
You're mentallists the lot of you. But thanks. And I bet it's given one or two
people ulcers already.
>>FAVORITE RAC'ER (CREATOR)
>7: Rich Johnston, Joe Quesada
Hey Joe, gizza job, I'm as popular as you...
Rich Johnston twis...@hotmail.com
The first reporter on the comics industry for the internet
All The Rage at http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com
Ramblings 2000 at http://www.twistandshoutcomics.com
Selling lots of comics at http://www.geocities.com/evenwood/alphabet.htm
David Welsh
t...@panix.com (Thomas Galloway) wrote:
> >The "2 to 12 episodes" clause in the "Best Limited Series" defintion
is
> >something that will very likely get reworked for the 2001 awards.
>
> I hope not. Unless you want to count Cerebus as a limited series, you
have
> to pick some number between 2 and 300 as a stopping point, and 12 has
been
> the industry standard for the upper bound on a limited series.
There are others means than an arbitrary number that can decide what
constitutes a limited series. How about this: "a multi-issue series
with a pre-planned ending number, the majority of which series is
scheduled to be published entirely within the year under consideration."
That would leave out Cerebus (which was not initially a limited series,
but became one) while not accidentally leaving out a 14 issue series-
although a series with more than 12 issues would only be considered
eligible for voting in a single year during its publication, unless it
would have exactly half the series published in each of two separate
years.
David Welsh
--
"For the one thing that continually amazes me in my fellow human beings,
intellectual or not, is their lack of imagination." - Ray Bradbury
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Eric J. Moreels
> to pick some number between 2 and 300 as a stopping point, and 12 has been
> the industry standard for the upper bound on a limited series. And with
> a number of "ongoing" series being cancelled before or shortly after the
> 12 issue mark, it'd sure seem odd for a series running considerably longer
> than that to be counted as "limited".
Actually, I'd always known it as that 6 issues was the upper limit for a
limited series (such as the recent X-Men Forever and Sentry series'), with
anything from 7 to about 12 issues being a maxi-series (such as the upcoming
The Brotherhood from Marvel, or Earth X and Universe X).
--
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"Thomas Galloway" <t...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:95tiq3$qa0$1...@panix3.panix.com...
Rich Johnston
>>Rich Johnston at twis...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Are there people here who are familiar with both
>> Klein and Sim's lettering work this year who still voted for Todd?
>> If so, I'd like to try and understand why.
>
Ha.
>But that's the will of the people -- everyone has different tastes, and
>everyone gets a chance to express them.
I know, and I agree. I'm just interested in why people think Klein is a better
letterer over Sim...
>Thomas Galloway at t...@panix.com wrote:
>> Unless you want to count Cerebus as a limited series
>
>And why not? It is, isn't it?
It is now. It wasn't intended to be when Sim started it.
hbrandt
> >2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
> >BEST WRITER
> >2: Dave Sim
>
> True winner. Heh. Looks like this was me and Brandt?
> >BEST CREATIVE TEAM
> >2: Sim/Gerhard (Cerebus)
>
> Me and you, Brandt!! :)
> >BEST ONGOING SERIES
> >2: Cerebus
>
> Who could possibly be voting for this great title?!?!? :)
Yep. I guess we're howling into the wind, you and me. Where are the
other 6,998 readers?
> >BEST LETTERER
> >27: Dave Sim
>
> Hands down winner of this category.
Undeniably.
> >BEST PENCILLER
> 3: Dave Sim
>
> Oooh! An extra vote! OK, confess!
> >BEST CHARACTER
> >3: Cerebus
>
> OK, who's the other voter??? You are so correct.
He/she (not an hermaphrodite reference!) is probably scared of being
labeled an Evil Misogynist.
> >BEST EDITOR
>
> No such thing! ;)
That's the one category I left blank. Agreed!
Yer aardvarkian pal,
/hal
Talon The Merciful
alandav...@yahoo.communication.breakdown says...
>>>3: Comic Book Galaxy (www.comicbookgalaxy.com)
>
>>Whoa! All that hype and only three votes?
>
>Three more than your web site got, Talon.
Heh. You're right...just giving you the business. Hey, I still want that Dave
Sim interview, you hear? :)
Anyway, at least it's nice and neat...you got one vote for each name. ;)
>Thanks to the three voters, it's nice to be noticed. I would have
>voted if I could have figured out how to.
See, Johanna could've helped you if only...ok, won't go there. :)
Talon T M
Absolute Ruler of RACM
THANKS FOR YOUR VOTE!!
Talon The Merciful
>
>To be really honest (and this is not a slam at either Kate or Sidne [the
>two people I can think of who had/have "campaigns" being run for 'em by
>someone else]), while I like the posting of prelim "who's gotten a vote"
>Squiddies postings, I really dislike campaigns being done for items.
I don't see the harm of a campaign run exclusively in the RAC communities, as
long as it is done so in a moderate way.
>Especially in the Favorite r.a.c.er categories.
I disagree. Sure, it can be abused, but I think that had Carl made his
'campaign' argument for Kate, she would've gotten more votes (that she
deserved), not because Carl promoted her, but because it brought to mind all
that she does here...which people tend to forget.
>Anyway, I really hope there aren't any "campaigns" for folks next year.
>Just feels wrong, in a way giving me more the feeling that such turn
>the category into a "X vs. Y" scenario than a way of recognizing folk.
I hope that there are more, so that we the voters can be reminded of all the
reasons to vote for a deserving candidate (not that it helped Sim this year! :)
Now, if it turns into negative campaigning and mudslinging, well *then* you have
a point.
Talon The Merciless
>>2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
>>BEST LETTERER
>>34: Todd Klein
>>27: Dave Sim
>
>Question to the Squiddy voters. Are there people here who are familiar with
>both Klein and Sim's lettering work this year who still voted for Todd?
It is *certainly* not based on the actual Lettering...most probably those who
voted did not see Sim's lettering genius this past year.
>If so, I'd like to try and understand why.
If they did see it, yeah...WHY?
>>BEST COMICS JOURNALIST
>>35: Rich Johnston
>
>You're mentallists the lot of you. But thanks. And I bet it's given one or two
>people ulcers already.
Who out there is like unto you, oh...no, wait. Hey, you deserved it.
Rich Johnston
Something I forgot to do... thank my campaign manager.
Cheers, Talon.
Talon The Merciful
>> Unless you want to count Cerebus as a limited series
>
>And why not? It is, isn't it?
Yes, it is, but I think the category is misnamed at "LIMITED SERIES" when what
it really *means* is "SHORT SERIES".
The question is, just how short is short? And right now it's 2 to 12.
owene...@my-deja.com
Rich Johnston <twis...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article
<485A50D82AA152A5.FA761103...@lp.airnews.net>,
> carl.he...@airmail.net says...
> >
> >2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
> >BEST LETTERER
> >34: Todd Klein
> >27: Dave Sim
>
> Question to the Squiddy voters. Are there people here who are
familiar with both
> Klein and Sim's lettering work this year who still voted for Todd?
>
> If so, I'd like to try and understand why.
Primarily because I only read it in phonebooks so I haven't read any of
Sim's 2000 output.
I guess the Going Home phonebook itself counts but I just didn't think
of it as 2000 material and the tpb itself is 10 months old now so he
wasn't in my mind when I voted. Given that so many people have switched
over to the phonebooks and therefore only read Sim once a year or so I
can see why material that is fresher in the mind might get a vote.
For whats its worth I think he is much better than Klein who is no
slouch himself (and got my vote) if you had started campaigning before
I voted I would have chosen Sim but I honestly forgot that I'd read
anything eligible.
Owen Erasmus
owene...@my-deja.com
Johanna. From the outside at least it seemed to be organised really
well this year. Well done.
> FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
>
> 32: Johanna Draper Carlson
> 26: Paul O'Brien
> 17: Dave Van Domelen
> 15: Sidne Gail Ward
> 13: Tom Galloway
> 11: Carl Henderson, Elayne Riggs, Todd VerBeek
> 10: Michael Alan Chary
> 8: Bala Menon, Talon (Rick Sharer)
> 7: Loren Di Iorio, No Award
> 6: Owen Erasmus
>
And thanks to the 6 of you who voted for me. I am totally amazed to be
honest as I've never picked up a single vote in the last 8 years and
probably posted less times than anyone else who got a vote this year so
I'm not entirely sure what I've done to deserve this but I'm ecstatic
all the same. Thanks whoever you were you made my day.
Alan David Doane
wrote:
>In article <3a8252ee...@news.cityusa.net>,
>alandav...@yahoo.communication.breakdown says...
>
>>>>3: Comic Book Galaxy (www.comicbookgalaxy.com)
>>
>>>Whoa! All that hype and only three votes?
>>
>>Three more than your web site got, Talon.
>
>Heh. You're right...just giving you the business. Hey, I still want that Dave
>Sim interview, you hear? :)
You have his phone number or e-mail address? If so, send it along.
jaye...@my-deja.com
> James Schee <jame...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote
>>> 7: P. Craig Russell
>> Hmm a new name to me anyway.
> You should try him, then ... he's been at work in
> the industry for over two decades, maybe three.
Closer to three. If memory serves, he worked on the
"Ant Man" strip in MARVEL FEATURE (I think it was)
back in '71 or '72.
He was part of that surge of talented young artists
that popped up seemingly out of nowhere in the early
70s (among the others being Starlin, Simonson,
Nasser/Netzer, and Chaykin).
--- jayembee (Jerry.B...@eds.com)
"Diane, 3 P.M. Just back from the Lydecker Clinic. While
a llama may produce some of the finest wools prized around
the world, their breath on the other hand could only be
prized somewhere in the far reaches of llama hell."
hbrandt
> > I still want that Dave
> >Sim interview
Alan David Doane:
> You have his phone number? If so, send it along.
Call Aardvark-Vanaheim at 519.576.7820 + leave a message if Dave's not
answering.
/hal
Eric Gimlin
> I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus of people thanking Carl and
> Johanna. From the outside at least it seemed to be organised really
> well this year. Well done.
I know "me too" posts are generally discouraged, but this is
one of the cases where an exception should be made. Thanks to both of
you (and Todd), once again. Great job.
Eric Gimlin
jaye...@my-deja.com
> [...] I have to say that I think at least two of you
> were nuts in that Carl certainly deserved a higher
> ranking than me this year (i.e. anyone who voted for
> me and not him) [...]
Not half as nuts as the two who voted for me.
While I suppose the "favorite" part of the category title
means that one should vote based on how much enjoyment
one gets from someone's postings rather than how much a
person posts, I don't feel that I've contributed enough
to the groups to be deserving of any votes.
(Says the man who didn't vote at all...)
Nevertheless, thanks to whomever those two are.
Michael Alan Chary
Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
Thanks Carl, Johanna and Todd, for your work.
>BEST WRITER
>
>30: Alan Moore
>16: Brian Michael Bendis
>14: Warren Ellis
>11: Christopher Priest, Kurt Busiek
I am very disappointed in 6 of you,
>BEST COMICS JOURNALIST
>
>35: Rich Johnston
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
>
>15: Sidne Gail Ward
Finally!
--
Court Philosopher and Barbarian, DNRC
"I bought the Star Trek chess set and the Civil War chess set. Now I have
the South fight the Klingons." -- Dave Spensley
"Ipsa scientia potestas est." -- Roger Bacon
Bill Kte'pi
> Question to the Squiddy voters. Are there people here who are familiar with both
> Klein and Sim's lettering work this year who still voted for Todd?
> If so, I'd like to try and understand why.
I voted for John Costanza, because I always vote for John Costanza. If
not for that, I likely would've voted for Klein -- but I haven't read more
than one or two issues of Cerebus, years ago, and just never saw the
appeal ... so that doesn't address your question.
--
----
Bill Kte'pi /// bwk...@hampshire.edu /// http://ktepi.freeservers.com
Do not taunt Happy Fun Bill.
Michael Alan Chary
Thomas Galloway <t...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <26E124DD9406005C.E78FC08D...@lp.airnews.net>,
>Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
>>During the voting, I was very tempted to make "Vote for Kate" posts. The
>>only thing that stopped me was the feeling that it really would have been
>>improper for one of the Squiddy admins to campaign for someone during the
>>voting. However--there's always next year. So remember: "Kate Hahn for
>>Favorite RAC'er in 2001."
>
>To be really honest (and this is not a slam at either Kate or Sidne [the
>two people I can think of who had/have "campaigns" being run for 'em by
>someone else]), while I like the posting of prelim "who's gotten a vote"
>Squiddies postings, I really dislike campaigns being done for items.
>Especially in the Favorite r.a.c.er categories. It's a combination of
You know, tyg, tough. Go sleep it off. The only people who have been
posting the hierarchy for longer than 7 or 8 years who care are... well,
actually, it's just you. Okay, I suppose David Goldfarb and Kevin Maroney
might care too. Actually, most of my old friends have stopped posting:
Glenn, Iain, Mike Kelly, Elmo, Jim Drew, Paul Estin, Dani...in fact, I
blame you :)
Sidne does a whole lot of stuff for people in the real world. She
organizes get togethers at cons, she helps people find comics, and
basically in addition to doing stuff to make online more pleasant, she
make real life more pleasant. People who spend their vacations traveling
to San Diego or Chicago for the big conventions have had their times made
better by Sidne volunteering her time and effort. Think about that. You
spend several hundred dollars going to San Diego, and Sidne hooks you up
with dinner and online friends, maybe organizes dinner with some comics
creators and even helps you track down back issues. All because she's a
supernice person.
This service has never been reflected in the voting. I don't know or
really care who wins. I think it's irrelevant. In fact, had I known ten
people were voting for me, I would have told them to vote for her instead.
Not in addition to. Instead. But really, as long as we are going to hold a
vote, I just want to remind people that Sidne exists, because she is so
self-effacing that I suspect people just forget about her at vote time.
>thinking that, particularly in the r.a.c.er categories, people should be
>familiar with who/what they like already and shouldn't be "campaigned"
>into voting one way or another, as well as it bringing back memories of
>the Sluggy Freelance incident (for newcomers, a couple of years ago the
>voting for the Squiddies was done on the web, intended as a convenience
>for voters. Which it was. But there was an unfortunate side effect that
>the web ballot, combined with the notification of the Squiddies being
>promoted by many websites, resulted in large numbers of people who were
>unfamiliar with r.a.c. voting and skewing the results from representing
>what readers of r.a.c. thought. In particular, the web comic Sluggy
>Freelance urged its readers to vote for it, and a few hundred votes came
>in. To his considerable credit, Pete Abrams, the creator of Sluggy,
>declined the award when it was explained what'd happened and what the
>problem was. But we still ended up with things like Mark Waid placing
>high in the Favorite r.a.c.er despite making fewer than ten posts all
>that year based just on his name recognition to non-r.a.c.ers).
Of course, 7 years ago, a bunch of us pissed tyg off by fabricating the
Squiddies (which were six months or so late) because we got his hopes up
or something. This stuff does not matter. It's a piece of whimsy.
>Anyway, I really hope there aren't any "campaigns" for folks next year.
I really hope that you learn to stop whining whenever people don't do
things exactly the way youi want them done. I don't remember you
complaining when I campaigned for Hosun.
>Just feels wrong, in a way giving me more the feeling that such turn
>the category into a "X vs. Y" scenario than a way of recognizing folk.
There are three votes.
Michael Alan Chary
Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
>Galloway) wrote:
>>In article <485A50D82AA152A5.FA761103...@lp.airnews.net>,>>>FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
>
>>>11: Carl Henderson, Elayne Riggs, Todd VerBeek
>
>>so many worthy candidates. While thanks to those who voted for me (I really
>>wasn't expecting to make top five this year), I have to say that I think
>>at least two of you were nuts in that Carl certainly deserved a higher
>>both on general posts and sheer service to r.a.c. for the combo of FAQkeeping,
>>net.copping for sale posts, and administering the Squiddies, a trifecta
>>I don't think anyone else has done.
>
>I really do appreciate the kind words. But eleven votes is more than cool with
>me. Ultimately, I do stuff like the Squiddies, the FAQ, the Top 300 lists
>because I enjoy doing it. As Mike Chary wisely pointed out to me, expecting
>Usenet to love you back is kind of dumb. Nevertheless, many thanks to all
>eleven of you who voted for me!
>
>But if you want to talk about someone who deserved more votes than they got,
>I'd like to point out Kate Hahn (aka Kate the Short). Not only is she the
>keepers of several RAC.xbooks FAQs, she also maintains the RAC FAQ
>archive--which is an invaluable service to RAC*, in particular, and to comics
>fans online, in general.
>During the voting, I was very tempted to make "Vote for Kate" posts. The
>only thing that stopped me was the feeling that it really would have been
>improper for one of the Squiddy admins to campaign for someone during the
>voting. However--there's always next year. So remember: "Kate Hahn for
>Favorite RAC'er in 2001."
I actually considered addding a plug for Kate, but a) she threatened me is
I did so, and b) after the rac.o-m vote, I didn't wanbt to risk the wrath
of Ken.
Alan David Doane
wrote:
Thanks.
Talon the Merciful
>
>In article <95ued...@drn.newsguy.com>, tal...@visto.com says...
>
>Something I forgot to do... thank my campaign manager.
>
>Cheers, Talon.
No problem....at the other end of the rainbow, Dave just fired me.
Ah, you win some, you lose some.
Well, I ain't worried, he'll be back!
Thomas Galloway
Alan Sepinwall <sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu> wrote:
>How, then, do you deal with the case of a Kavalier & Clay? Sure,
>award-winning mainstream novels about the comic book industry are few and
>far between, but when they come up, it might be nice if they fit into some
>category.
Ironically (for reasons given below), I tend to agree with the attitude
that a number of SMOFs have about the Hugo Awards for science fiction in
this regard. Namely, there shouldn't be a specific Hugo category for
something until there's not just a worthy winner each year, but consistently
enough nominees that one wouldn't be embarrassed to have win that they
make up the full five item final ballot year in and year out. For example,
there isn't a Hugo for Best SF/Fantasy Graphic Novel, even though it's
fairly standard these days for one or two a year to be generally considered
worthy of an award. But there aren't five or more per year, pretty much
every year, yet. This means, unfortunately, that sometimes something will
come up that just doesn't fit into the categories, but that a lot of people
think should get an award. It's just something you have to live with.
Although there is the advantage with the Hugos that, while not a Hugo,
the convention committee for a year's Worldcon (at which Hugos are given),
can give its own special, one time only, award(s) to pretty much anything
it wants. A classic example would be Apollo 11 given an award for "The Best
Moon Landing Ever". Perhaps the Squiddies could add a special "Administrator's
Choice" category where people could nominate things which don't fit the
other categories, such as Kavalier and Clay or Reinventing Comics, and
at the administrator(s)'s option they could recognize what they consider
either significant enough items or such items which receive substantial
support/nominations. Important things should be that no administrator
should feel they have to make an award in the category in any year, and
that items in this shouldn't be eligible in any other category (i.e. no
"life achievement award" when Cerebus hits 300 issues, or no "Well,
Black Panther placed second in continuing series, but we think it really
should get an award" type of decision).
The irony mentioned above is that I do have an issue with how graphic
novels are currently treated by the Hugos. So far, save for an anomaly
involving Watchmen not worth getting into here, the default has been to
put any graphic novel into the Best Non-Fiction/Related Book (the name
has changed over the years) category, leading to the interesting bit
of Dark Knight Returns being implicitly refered to as non-fiction. This
is due to that being the category for art books, and essentially graphic
novels are being treated as if only the art is what warrants nomination,
ignoring the words and any nomiations for a graphic novel in the
written fiction categories.
tyg t...@panix.com
Kevin J. Maroney
>The only people who have been
>posting the hierarchy for longer than 7 or 8 years who care are... well,
>actually, it's just you. Okay, I suppose David Goldfarb and Kevin Maroney
>might care too.
Actually, I do. I have some of Tom's inherited sense of distrust of
campaigns for fan-voted awards because of the long history of distrust
of such campaigns for the Hugo award.
>[Sidne's] service has never been reflected in the voting.
Does it make sense for a poll about participation on r.a.c.* to
reflect behavior outside of r.a.c.*?
The main reason I supported the "Vote for Sidne" campaign was that I
hoped it would encourage her to post more.
--
Kevin J. Maroney | Unplugged Games | kmar...@ungames.com
"Love doesn't have a point. Love *is* the point."--Alan Moore
Kevin J. Maroney
>Unless you want to count Cerebus as a limited series, you have
>to pick some number between 2 and 300 as a stopping point,
See, there's the problem--there are people who are under the insane
impression that _Cerebus_ isn't a miniseries.
It basically is. Has been for about 15 years. Will be for another 3.
Live with it.
>I think the real problem is that RING ended up as an unusual number of
>issues (quick, name another 14 issue limited series...)
And _Metabarons_ (16 issues).
Kevin J. Maroney
>> What does he/she work on?
>
>Right now, THE RING OF THE NIBELUNG from Dark Horse.
The second volume of his _The Fairy Tales of Oscar Wilde_ includes
"The Young King", which I think is a strong candidate for the
prettiest comic story ever drawn.
Thomas Galloway
Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>t...@panix.com (Thomas Galloway) wrote:
>>Unless you want to count Cerebus as a limited series, you have
>>to pick some number between 2 and 300 as a stopping point,
>See, there's the problem--there are people who are under the insane
>impression that _Cerebus_ isn't a miniseries.
>It basically is. Has been for about 15 years. Will be for another 3.
>Live with it.
Well, yeah. But 300 issues is longer than 90% of the books that'll come
out during its run, most of which didn't set out to be limited series.
I think this should be thought of more as the difference between
short fiction and a novel, or planned finite length and ongoing (and
I'll argue that 25 years of a series is "ongoing" for all intents and
purposes). Problem is that we're seeing some upping of the previous
generally accepted 12 issue bar for such with Earth X, Universe X,
Ring Cycle, Metabarons, and Rising Stars. However, one can argue that
Sandman, Preacher, Hitman, and Starman are all also "limited series"
in that each had a single writer who considered the book's run a
single overall story and had a rough idea of when it'd end, if not
a specific number of issues.
So I'd say to look at the best single story/novella/graphic novel
categories as amounting to divisions in "short story", the best multi-part
story and limited series as "novelette" and "novella", and the best
ongoing series as "novel" in terms of story length. Certainly not a
perfect analogy as an entry in graphic novel could very well be longer
than an entry in multi-part story, but close enough to work.
tyg t...@panix.com
ATKokmen
>Thomas Galloway at t...@panix.com wrote:
>
>> For Publication About Comics, the intent has always been "Periodical
>> Publication About Comics"
>
>It has? I never knew that. We'll have to add that to the notes to discuss,
>because if the group wants to limit it that way, it should be explicitly
>stated.
I for one would strongly disagree with limiting the category to just
magazines/periodicals. Obviously, it's not *necessary* to limit the
category, since the overwhelming majority of votes are cast for
periodicals/magazines anyway. If anything, books are *under-
represented* among the votes cast, which would imply that if any
action is warranted (and I'm not saying it is) then it should be to
promote the eligibility of books as well as magazines.
2000 was the year that saw published books like "The Amazing World of
Carmine Infantino," "Wonder Woman: A Complete History,"
"Comic Book Culture" as well as other meritorious books about comics. That
none of them received a single Squiddies nod, but other (IMO)
lesser magazines got votes in the category tells me that excluding
books from consideration will just further prevent works of merit from
possible acknowledgement--and that can't be the goal.
On another note, if y'all are keeping notes on stuff to re-cogitate for
next year, I'd suggest rethinking the "Sin City" rule which, though I
understand *what* it says, I don't understand *why* it's relevant, nor
what works or categories are better served by the exception. At the
very least, I'd suggest that the phrase "...for marketing reasons..." be
rewritten since 1) it invites hair-splitting ("This series of mini-series isn't
being issued that way for marketing reasons, but for aesthetic reasons.")
and 2) as a somewhat semantic consideration, it is impossible (and
arguably inappropriate) for we fans not part of a publisher's marketing
department to claim to speak for a publisher's marketing rationale.
But first things first: This was the first time I bothered to vote for
the Squiddies, and I know that's because of the great job the
adminitrators did. Kudos and thanks!
ATK
____________________________
"You won it, wore it, kept it, gave it me;
Then plain and right must my possession be:
Which I with more than with a common pain
'Gainst all the world will rightfully maintain."
--Henry the Fourth, Part 2 IV.iv
Johanna Draper Carlson
> How, then, do you deal with the case of a Kavalier & Clay? Sure,
> award-winning mainstream novels about the comic book industry are few and
> far between, but when they come up, it might be nice if they fit into some
> category.
What category do you think they should go in? I don't know that things like
that (or Derby Dugan's Depression Funnies, to name an earlier example)
really fit anywhere in the established paradigm.
owene...@my-deja.com wrote:
> From the outside at least it seemed to be organised really
> well this year. Well done.
Thank you. We hope that we're learning more about how best to do things
every year. Hopefully, next year will be even better... assuming we're both
still around. (Not that we're *planning* on going anywhere...)
Johanna Draper Carlson joh...@comicsworthreading.com
Reviews of Comics Worth Reading -- http://www.comicsworthreading.com
Johanna Draper Carlson
> 2000 was the year that saw published books like "The Amazing World of
> Carmine Infantino," "Wonder Woman: A Complete History,"
> "Comic Book Culture" as well as other meritorious books about comics. That
> none of them received a single Squiddies nod
The WW book did receive one vote, but in the Text Adaptation category, for
which it was ineligible.
(Personally, I thought Comic Book Culture was a badly written and reasoned
book that ignored major categories of fandom to ride the author's apparent
hobbyhorses. Come on, a scholarly work that stereotypes one of the groups
(alternative comic readers) it's supposedly analyzing?)
> but other (IMO)
> lesser magazines got votes in the category tells me that excluding
> books from consideration will just further prevent works of merit from
> possible acknowledgement--and that can't be the goal.
No, but neither is it the goal to have a category for every possible item
related to comics. The adaptation, merchandise, and similar categories get
poor turnout as it is. Some voters seem to want to just talk comics.
> I'd suggest rethinking the "Sin City" rule
Already on the plate. :)
> But first things first: This was the first time I bothered to vote for
> the Squiddies, and I know that's because of the great job the
> adminitrators did. Kudos and thanks!
You're welcome! Thank you for participating!
Michael Alan Chary
>>The only people who have been
>>posting the hierarchy for longer than 7 or 8 years who care are... well,
>>actually, it's just you. Okay, I suppose David Goldfarb and Kevin Maroney
>>might care too.
>
>Actually, I do. I have some of Tom's inherited sense of distrust of
>campaigns for fan-voted awards because of the long history of distrust
>of such campaigns for the Hugo award.
I know. David too, I suspect. That was my reasoning.
>>[Sidne's] service has never been reflected in the voting.
>
>Does it make sense for a poll about participation on r.a.c.* to
>reflect behavior outside of r.a.c.*?
Apparently. They split off into pro and nonpro categories.
>The main reason I supported the "Vote for Sidne" campaign was that I
>hoped it would encourage her to post more.
Good for you.
David Goldfarb
Michael Alan Chary <mch...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>In article <485A50D82AA152A5.FA761103...@lp.airnews.net>,
>Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
>>BEST WRITER
>>
>>30: Alan Moore
>>16: Brian Michael Bendis
>>14: Warren Ellis
>>11: Christopher Priest, Kurt Busiek
>
>I am very disappointed in 6 of you,
What?
Why 6 specifically? You wanted to see Priest get 6 more votes and take
clear second place?
--
David Goldfarb <*>|From the fortune cookie file:
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |
aste...@slip.net |"Sell your ideas -- they are totally acceptable."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu |
David Goldfarb
>Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>>mch...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael Alan Chary) wrote:
>>>The only people who have been
>>>posting the hierarchy for longer than 7 or 8 years who care are... well,
>>>actually, it's just you. Okay, I suppose David Goldfarb and Kevin Maroney
>>>might care too.
>>
>>Actually, I do. I have some of Tom's inherited sense of distrust of
>>campaigns for fan-voted awards because of the long history of distrust
>>of such campaigns for the Hugo award.
>
>I know. David too, I suspect. That was my reasoning.
Well, actually, no -- not really. Heck, I voted for Katie Schwarz
even though she didn't post anything really substantial all year.
She is nonetheless easily my favorite person who posts to RAC.
I think large amounts of campaigning could well become obnoxious;
but I can't see any reason not to let people post their ballots saying
"here's what I voted for, and why" for all categories, including
Favorite RAC'er.
--
David Goldfarb <*>|"To the general public "calories" are not units
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |of measurement but evil creatures that live in
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu |tasty food and make people fat."
aste...@slip.net | -- Bill Jennings on rec.arts.comics.misc
Michael Alan Chary
David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>In article <95undk$ooq$1...@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>,
>Michael Alan Chary <mch...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>>In article <485A50D82AA152A5.FA761103...@lp.airnews.net>,
>>Carl Henderson <carl.he...@airmail.net> wrote:
>>>BEST WRITER
>>>
>>>30: Alan Moore
>>>16: Brian Michael Bendis
>>>14: Warren Ellis
>>>11: Christopher Priest, Kurt Busiek
>>
>>I am very disappointed in 6 of you,
>
>What?
>
>Why 6 specifically? You wanted to see Priest get 6 more votes and take
>clear second place?
I acknowledge that although Priest is my favorite write, Moore is better
than he is. Ellis and Bendis are not.
ATKokmen
>(Personally, I thought Comic Book Culture was a badly written and reasoned
>book that ignored major categories of fandom to ride the author's apparent
>hobbyhorses. Come on, a scholarly work that stereotypes one of the groups
>(alternative comic readers) it's supposedly analyzing?)
For the record, when I mentioned "Comic Book Culture" as
a meritorious book about comics, I was referring to "Comic
Book Culture: An Illustrated History" by Ron Goulart,
the color-laden coffee table book published by Collectors Press
and not "Comic Book Culture: Fanboys and True Believers" by Matthew
Pustz, the (ostensibly) academic analysis of fandom.
> neither is it the goal to have a category for every possible item
>related to comics.
Exactly. I *don't* think you need a seperate category for books
about comics. But I also don't think that you need to exclude
books from the "best publication" category, which is what was
being suggested. Despite my comics avocation, I'm more a bibliophile
than a magazine-reader, so as long as books are eligible somewhere,
I'm content. And I'll always rail against the idea of excluding books ;-)
As for the sui generi cases that came up in this year's awards
(Kavalier & Clay, Unbreakable,) maybe the best way to address
them in the future (if similar odd things ever get done again) is to
tweak the definitions of the "Dramatic Adaptation" and "Text
Adaptation" categories so that they cover comics-themed performances
and texts, including but not necessarily limited to
strict adaptations of pre-existing comics characters or ideas.
Of course, then you'd be without a good category for a
non-fiction TV show, movie, play (something like "Crumb.")
Ah, well... I promise to contribute some more cents' worth when
y'all feel rested enough to open the discussion about next time.
Johanna Draper Carlson
> when I mentioned "Comic Book Culture" as
> a meritorious book about comics, I was referring to "Comic
> Book Culture: An Illustrated History" by Ron Goulart
Oops! Sorry.
> I also don't think that you need to exclude
> books from the "best publication" category
No decisions are being made right now -- at least in my case, I'm still
riding the high from getting the things done! Your input is appreciated, of
course; personally, excluding books never even occurred to me until Tom
suggested it.
> tweak the definitions of the "Dramatic Adaptation" and "Text
> Adaptation" categories so that they cover comics-themed performances
Should Unbreakable have been eligible, though? What about the Simpsons,
because of Comic Book Guy? Or Chasing Amy because of the setting? Or Coyote
Ugly because an issue of Amazing Spider-Man features in a major subplot? In
other words, how do you draw the line?
> Ah, well... I promise to contribute some more cents' worth when
> y'all feel rested enough to open the discussion about next time.
Thank you! :)
Kevin J. Maroney
>Well, yeah. But 300 issues is longer than 90% of the books that'll come
>out during its run, most of which didn't set out to be limited series.
So? 12 issues is longer than 90% of the books which come out now, most
of which don't set out to be limited series.
>I think this should be thought of more as the difference between
>short fiction and a novel, or planned finite length and ongoing (and
>I'll argue that 25 years of a series is "ongoing" for all intents and
>purposes).
But, you know, it *isn't*. The fact that _Cerebus_ is working towards
an ending has been a significant fact of its life for a very long
time.
>However, one can argue that
>Sandman, Preacher, Hitman, and Starman are all also "limited series"
>in that each had a single writer who considered the book's run a
>single overall story and had a rough idea of when it'd end, if not
>a specific number of issues.
The "specific number of issues" is an important distinction, although
I will admit that the vast number of issues that Sim chose as his
"definite number" does put it in a different category than even
something as "small" as _Transmetropolitan_ (a 60-issue limited
series, if Warren is to be believed).
>So I'd say to look at the best single story/novella/graphic novel
>categories as amounting to divisions in "short story", the best multi-part
>story and limited series as "novelette" and "novella", and the best
>ongoing series as "novel" in terms of story length.
But "ongoing series" and "novel" *aren't comparable concepts*. It's
not only not a perfect analogy, it's not even a a *useful* analogy.
It's like claiming that a city is like a house because they're both
bigger than sheds. Size isn't the best determinant.
The question is, what is the difference between "ongoing series" and
"limited series" that makes them worth considering as separate
categories? It isn't just length, or _Chase_ would have had to be
considered as a limited series. No, the difference is that the author
of a limited series (usually) sets out to tell a single story with a
beginning, a middle, and an end. There might be arcs within the
story--this is the case with _Ring of the Niebelung_ and
_Transmet_--but there is still an overall story and an end in sight at
the beginning.
Nenad Vidovic
which attracted some discussions. You are the guy that started that,
right?
nenad
owene...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus of people thanking Carl and
> Johanna. From the outside at least it seemed to be organised really
> well this year. Well done.
>
> > FAVORITE RAC'ER (NON-CREATOR)
> >
> > 32: Johanna Draper Carlson
> > 26: Paul O'Brien
> > 17: Dave Van Domelen
> > 15: Sidne Gail Ward
> > 13: Tom Galloway
> > 11: Carl Henderson, Elayne Riggs, Todd VerBeek
> > 10: Michael Alan Chary
> > 8: Bala Menon, Talon (Rick Sharer)
> > 7: Loren Di Iorio, No Award
> > 6: Owen Erasmus
> >
>
> And thanks to the 6 of you who voted for me. I am totally amazed to be
> honest as I've never picked up a single vote in the last 8 years and
> probably posted less times than anyone else who got a vote this year so
> I'm not entirely sure what I've done to deserve this but I'm ecstatic
> all the same. Thanks whoever you were you made my day.
>
> Owen Erasmus
Michael Alan Chary
David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>In article <95vdno$skr$1...@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>,
>Michael Alan Chary <mch...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>>In article <di668t8onlqs384mu...@4ax.com>,
>>Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>>>mch...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael Alan Chary) wrote:
>>>>The only people who have been
>>>>posting the hierarchy for longer than 7 or 8 years who care are... well,
>>>>actually, it's just you. Okay, I suppose David Goldfarb and Kevin Maroney
>>>>might care too.
>>>
>>>Actually, I do. I have some of Tom's inherited sense of distrust of
>>>campaigns for fan-voted awards because of the long history of distrust
>>>of such campaigns for the Hugo award.
>>
>>I know. David too, I suspect. That was my reasoning.
>
>Well, actually, no -- not really. Heck, I voted for Katie Schwarz
Okay, so I was wrong. I'm wrong several times a day. It's a hobby.
>even though she didn't post anything really substantial all year.
>She is nonetheless easily my favorite person who posts to RAC.
Glad to hear it. Good karma and all that.
>I think large amounts of campaigning could well become obnoxious;
>but I can't see any reason not to let people post their ballots saying
>"here's what I voted for, and why" for all categories, including
>Favorite RAC'er.
Okay, remember Sidne Gail Ward in 2002!
Dale Hicks
> >ranking than me this year (i.e. anyone who voted for me and not him) based
> >both on general posts and sheer service to r.a.c. for the combo of FAQkeeping,
> >net.copping for sale posts, and administering the Squiddies, a trifecta
> >I don't think anyone else has done.
>
> I'd like to point out Kate Hahn (aka Kate the Short). Not only is she the
> keepers of several RAC.xbooks FAQs, she also maintains the RAC FAQ
> archive--which is an invaluable service to RAC*, in particular, and to comics
> fans online, in general.
It's called favorite RAC'r not most useful RAC'r.
I vote by entertainment value, not by worth.
--
Cranial Crusader dgh...@bellsouth.net
Dale Hicks
>
> Not half as nuts as the two who voted for me.
Actually, you could count three if I'd been smart enough to remember you
when voting.
> [...] I don't feel that I've contributed enough
> to the groups to be deserving of any votes.
??? I know that I bump into you on other newsgroups which increases my
personal exposure, but you're the first person I think of when someone
asks for the list of Millenium reprints, or to explain a bit of history,
or ... I remember quite a bit of posting with some blackout periods.
RAC now has you back to add to the core knowledge base of tyg and Bala.
--
Cranial Crusader dgh...@bellsouth.net
David Welsh
Johanna Draper Carlson <joh...@comicsworthreading.com> wrote:
>
> > I also don't think that you need to exclude
> > books from the "best publication" category
>
> No decisions are being made right now -- at least in my case, I'm
still
> riding the high from getting the things done! Your input is
appreciated, of
> course; personally, excluding books never even occurred to me until
Tom
> suggested it.
>
Most books should be included as "Best comics reference material".
This would allow for scholarly dissertations, albums of cover art, and
biographies to fall under the same umbrella.
> > tweak the definitions of the "Dramatic Adaptation" and "Text
> > Adaptation" categories so that they cover comics-themed performances
>
> Should Unbreakable have been eligible, though? What about the
Simpsons,
> because of Comic Book Guy? Or Chasing Amy because of the setting? Or
Coyote
> Ugly because an issue of Amazing Spider-Man features in a major
subplot? In
> other words, how do you draw the line?
>
Don't draw such a line. All the ones you mentioned should be eligible
for some sort of acknowledgement because they broaden the base of the
subculture. "Comics-related, non-comic book, not categorized
elsewhere" would cover all those, along with books such as "What They
Did to Princess Paragon" or "Bimbos of the Death Sun"; or pop-art by a
Roy Lichenstein type. It could and should be a catch-all for such
things.
David Welsh
--
"For the one thing that continually amazes me in my fellow human beings,
intellectual or not, is their lack of imagination." - Ray Bradbury
Avram Grumer
kmar...@ungames.com wrote:
> t...@panix.com (Thomas Galloway) wrote:
> >Unless you want to count Cerebus as a limited series, you have
> >to pick some number between 2 and 300 as a stopping point,
>
> See, there's the problem--there are people who are under the insane
> impression that _Cerebus_ isn't a miniseries.
>
> It basically is. Has been for about 15 years. Will be for another 3.
> Live with it.
I'm one of those insane people.
There's probably a good term for what _Cerebus_ is that distinguishes it
from comics that are just published for as long as they keep selling.
"Miniseries" isn't it. "Limited series" is better, but not great.
If I wanted to categorize the various limited-length series by number of
issues, I'd start out by listing all the ones I could think of and see if
there was any clumping in the "number of issues" column.
--
Avram Grumer | av...@grumer.org | http://www.PigsAndFishes.org
"Soon everyone will be playing with a wireless device in their pocket."
-- from Unplugged Games business plan
Sidne G. Ward
>The main reason I supported the "Vote for Sidne" campaign was that I
>hoped it would encourage her to post more.
Thanks for kind words. There are a few reasons I don't post more, but the
most important one, as many of you know, is the RSI I've been experiencing
for the past 5 years or so. Writing posts takes quite a bit more time and
effort than reading them.
I have to save the effort I can exert using the computer for my job.
But rest assured, that I do read several r.a.c.* groups almost every
day. So I'm here in spirit at least.
Sidne Gail Ward
sw...@primenet.com
Sidne G. Ward
>It's called favorite RAC'r not most useful RAC'r.
>I vote by entertainment value, not by worth.
While I hesitate to get involved in this thread... :)
I vote for r.a.c.ers I'm most glad are posting on r.a.c.*. In my case,
that's most likely to be people I've met in person (though I have voted
for posters I've never met or even communicated with outside of r.a.c.*).
It's the people I personally would miss most if they quit participating.
To be honest, I can't even remember exactly who I did vote for this year.
There's a list of about 6 r.a.c.ers who are all particular "favorites" of
mine.
Which doesn't mean I don't appreciated the contributions of most of the
other regular r.a.c.* posters. If I divided up all of r.a.c.*'s posters
into people I'm glad are on r.a.c.* and people I wish would leave, the
former list would be much, much longer than the latter.
Sidne Gail Ward
sw...@primenet.com
ATKokmen
>> tweak the definitions of the "Dramatic Adaptation" and "Text
>> Adaptation" categories so that they cover comics-themed performances
>
>Should Unbreakable have been eligible, though? What about the Simpsons,
>because of Comic Book Guy? Or Chasing Amy because of the setting? Or Coyote
>Ugly because an issue of Amazing Spider-Man features in a major subplot? In
>other words, how do you draw the line?
I take your point, but my instinctive reaction is to say, "Don't draw
that line." The Squiddies are a fan awards, after all. If some fan
honestly thinks that, say, a "Comic Book Guy meets Radioactive Man" episode of
The Simpsons is the best example comics-themed media in
a given year--one better than whatever major motion picture comic book
adaptation might have been released--then why not let him/her vote
that way? I don't see that the spirit of the award for the category
would be mis-served by applying broad, sweeping, inclusive
standards for eligibility.
Then again, I'm not the guy who'd be on the receiving end of such
a diversity of votes, so take what I say with appropriate numbers
of salt grains.
Did I mention how great a job y'all did administering this puppy?
James Schee
>> James Schee <jame...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote
>
>>>> 7: P. Craig Russell
>
>>> Hmm a new name to me anyway.
>He was part of that surge of talented young artists
>that popped up seemingly out of nowhere in the early
>70s (among the others being Starlin, Simonson,
>Nasser/Netzer, and Chaykin).
Hmm I wasn't born until the mid 70s so the name wasn't familiar to me.:) I'll
be on the lookout for his stuff.
Thanks gang!
James
Alan Sepinwall
>> How, then, do you deal with the case of a Kavalier & Clay? Sure,
>> award-winning mainstream novels about the comic book industry are few and
>> far between, but when they come up, it might be nice if they fit into some
>> category.
>
>What category do you think they should go in? I don't know that things like
>that (or Derby Dugan's Depression Funnies, to name an earlier example)
>really fit anywhere in the established paradigm.
I did like the suggestion of some kind of catch-all "Best Comics-Related
Book/Movie/TV Show" category. You could argue that a given year might only
include one or two things worth voting for (in addition to Kavalier &
Clay, I might also have thrown my support behind Unbreakable and the Sex &
the City episode where Carrie dated the comic store owner), but the same
could be said for the Best Dramatic Adaptation category.
-Alan
Johanna Draper Carlson
> I did like the suggestion of some kind of catch-all "Best Comics-Related
> Book/Movie/TV Show" category.
Ah, a rac.other-media category! Now that makes sense.
Alan Sepinwall
>
>> I did like the suggestion of some kind of catch-all "Best Comics-Related
>> Book/Movie/TV Show" category.
>
>Ah, a rac.other-media category! Now that makes sense.
Glad you like it. I'd say there are enough comics-related bits of pop
culture each year that aren't direct adaptations of anything to make a
category like this worthwhile.
-Alan
Jacob T. Levy
ATKokmen wrote:
> 2000 was the year that saw published books like "The Amazing World of
> Carmine Infantino," "Wonder Woman: A Complete History,"
> "Comic Book Culture" as well as other meritorious books about comics.
Including the scholarly volume _Black Superheroes, Milestone Comics, and Their
Fans_,
which I didn't get a chance to read in time to consider it for my ballot but which
is
high on my list (and not only because of the cool Static picture on the cover).
I'm with Ali--let's not lose the chance to vote for works like these. Even if we
think Kavalier & Clay is a funny case, we *at least* should be able to vote
for non-fiction books about the industry; I just can't see a distinction worth
emphasizing between them and the periodicals.
Jacob T. Levy
The Phantom Stranger:
http://polisci.uchicago.edu/~jtlevy/stranger.html
Lester Spiffany
> > How, then, do you deal with the case of a Kavalier & Clay? Sure,
> > award-winning mainstream novels about the comic book industry are
few and
> > far between, but when they come up, it might be nice if they fit
into some
> > category.
>
> What category do you think they should go in? I don't know that
things like
> that (or Derby Dugan's Depression Funnies, to name an earlier example)
> really fit anywhere in the established paradigm.
>
My recommendation would be to change BEST TEXT ADAPTATION to BEST PROSE
WORK TIED TO THE COMICS INDUSTRY. This way it could cover adaptations,
works of fiction like Kavalier & Clay, and biographies like Julie
Schwartz's MAN OF TWO WORLDS.
-lester
Paul O'Brien
<sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu> writes
>
>I did like the suggestion of some kind of catch-all "Best Comics-Related
>Book/Movie/TV Show" category.
The problem is that it ends up being a charter for arguments about
what counts as being sufficiently comics-related.
I really don't see the need for the Squiddies to cover anything other
than comics themselves and, perhaps, journalism and works of non-
fiction concerned with comics. You don't see the Oscars giving out
awards for "Best Novelisation of a Film."
Paul O'Brien
THE X-AXIS REVIEWS - http://www.esoterica.demon.co.uk
From the relatively fashionable west end of Glasgow.
Michael Alan Chary
Paul O'Brien <pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <963r3j$r...@force.stwing.upenn.edu>, Alan Sepinwall
><sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu> writes
>>
>>I did like the suggestion of some kind of catch-all "Best Comics-Related
>>Book/Movie/TV Show" category.
>
>The problem is that it ends up being a charter for arguments about
>what counts as being sufficiently comics-related.
>
>I really don't see the need for the Squiddies to cover anything other
>than comics themselves and, perhaps, journalism and works of non-
>fiction concerned with comics. You don't see the Oscars giving out
>awards for "Best Novelisation of a Film."
They also don't give out awards for best movie budget, which is arguably
the most importasnt aspect of creating cinema.
OTOH, the Nobel Prize award to medicine, economics and literature but not
mathematics.
The Squiddies are a self-defining institution and shouldn't have to define
itself by other institutions.
Todd Kogutt: Scavenger
>
> Not half as nuts as the two who voted for me.
>
> While I suppose the "favorite" part of the category title
> means that one should vote based on how much enjoyment
> one gets from someone's postings rather than how much a
> person posts, I don't feel that I've contributed enough
> to the groups to be deserving of any votes.
>
Oh, you're a RAC legend. Heck, you got written in LNH history without
even being around!
Plus you're part of an immortal Starfleet security team..that counts
for something!
---SCAVENGER
The National Folk Hero of the Net
>
> In article <95um9h$36o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <jaye...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> > While I suppose the "favorite" part of the category title
> > means that one should vote based on how much enjoyment
> > one gets from someone's postings rather than how much a
> > person posts, I don't feel that I've contributed enough
> > to the groups to be deserving of any votes.
>
> Oh, you're a RAC legend. Heck, you got written in LNH history without
> even being around!
Jerry is missing the point. We admire him because he rarely
contributes anything! If only more of us would follow his
example. . . .
Of course, it depends on which era you're stuck in. I still
read net.comics regularly.
-:-
There was a touch of spring in the air, a poisonous,
malefic spring that seemed to burst from the manholes.
--Henry Miller, _Tropic of Cancer_
--
Col. G. L. Sicherman
home: col...@mail.monmouth.com
work: sich...@lucent.com
web: <http://www.monmouth.com/~colonel/>
Mark
I believe, Amazing Adventures, taking over the series began by Neal Adams
and Howard Chaykin. Originally, it was titled War of the Worlds and is a
spin-off of the H.G. Wells storyline. He soon became a favorite of readers
and did most of the Killraven stories in that run.
He did a fabulous version of Dr. Strange in an annual which was later
reprinted with additional material and sold as a one shot.
He did a lot of very nice material for StarReach productions and was
represented by Archie Goodwin for many years. He moved back to Marvel when
Archie gave up StarReach to help them found thier Heavy Metal-type
magazine, Epic and did several things for them there.
He has since done mostly opera adaptations, though his Oscar Wilde material
and his Shakespeare adaptations are wonderful too. He has a close
relationship with Charles Vess and has been known to ink other people's
work, most notably Elric by Michael T. Gilbert and George Freeman.
In article <95u9bi$iiqt3$1...@ID-40971.news.dfncis.de>, "Bala Menon"
<b.m...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> James Schee <jame...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:20010207235737...@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> > >From: carl.he...@airmail.net (Carl Henderson)
> >
> > >2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
> >
> > >7: P. Craig Russell
> >
> > Hmm a new name to me anyway.
>
> You should try him, then ... he's been at work in the
> industry for over two decades, maybe three. And
> his work's _gorgeous_.
>
> > What does he/she work on?
>
> Right now, THE RING OF THE NIBELUNG from Dark Horse.
>
> But for some of his best past work, check out his
> beautiful Elric material (Marvel Graphic Novel No. 2,
> THE DREAMING CITY; ELRIC OF MELNIBONE;
> ELRIC: STORMBRINGER (available from Dark Horse
> as a TPB), and more), and his OPERA TPB, which
> includes a magnificent adaptation of SALOME.
>
> And if you've read SANDMAN #50, RAMADAN,
> you've already seen his work.
>
> --
> Bala Menon (b.m...@worldnet.att.net)
Dale Hicks
says...
> P. Craig Russel started his career at Marvel doing the Killraven series in,
> I believe, Amazing Adventures, taking over the series began by Neal Adams
> and Howard Chaykin.
Those guys and Giffen as well? Wow. What a series.
--
Cranial Crusader dgh...@bellsouth.net
Zavfx
"Dale Hicks" <dgh...@bellSPAMsouth.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> In article <markboyd-ya02408000R2102011101380001@news>, mark...@home.net
> says...
> > P. Craig Russel started his career at Marvel doing the Killraven series
in,
> > I believe, Amazing Adventures, taking over the series began by Neal
Adams
> > and Howard Chaykin.
>
> Those guys and Giffen as well? Wow. What a series.
Not at all, Neal Adams was only on the first issue, Chaykin inked it and
penciled the 2nd.
He was followed by Herb Trimpe, Rick Buckler and Gene Colan.
Then Russell followed.
Giffen was only on issue 38 (39 being last).
Steve Block
Nenad Vidovic <ne...@yesic.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Carl Henderson wrote:
> >
> > 2000 SQUIDDY AWARD WINNERS--FULL RESULTS
> > 2: Louis: Red Letter Day
>
That would have been me. Sorry.