Why is TV kind of pre-Crisis and comics Post-Crisis
Glenn E. Meyer
Watched the new Supergirl. Interesting - she is a Kryptonian
type but from a planet called Argo. Definitely more Kara than
current Angel-goo.
TV has Dr. Fate, comics have none.
So why did the TV go for the old ways?
Skip the netcop baloney about other newsgroups. It's relevant.
Richard D. Bergstresser Jr.
Glenn E. Meyer wrote:
>
> Watched the new Supergirl. Interesting - she is a Kryptonian
> type but from a planet called Argo. Definitely more Kara than
> current Angel-goo.
>
> TV has Dr. Fate, comics have none.
>
> So why did the TV go for the old ways?
I would gues public familiarity.
Even the obscure DC characters from pre-Crisis seem to have
longer track records than retcons of the week.
But can you really see trying to fit Pocket Universe/Matrix/Angel-goo
into a half hour without the non-comics audience going "Huh?"
Hell, some of us who are used to this stuff are still going "Huh?"
>
> Skip the netcop baloney about other newsgroups. It's relevant.
Agreed, but some won't catch why.
--
Danke,
Rich
(To respond by email remove the letters BLOCK from my address.)
Edward Mathews
Glenn E. Meyer (gme...@express-news.net) wrote:
: Watched the new Supergirl. Interesting - she is a Kryptonian
: type but from a planet called Argo. Definitely more Kara than
: current Angel-goo.
:
: TV has Dr. Fate, comics have none.
:
: So why did the TV go for the old ways?
Simplicity. I love the new Supergirl, but i'd be hard pressed to try and
do her origin justice as a back-up character in an Animated half-hour
show. And Dr. Fate is just cool. DC dropped the ball on that one.
: Skip the netcop baloney about other newsgroups. It's relevant.
Ed (follow-ups to: oh, wait... that group doesn't exist yet...) Mathews
*****
**-----
* ---
-
-------------------------------------------------------------------
http://pages.nyu.edu/~em11
Glenn Simpson
Glenn E. Meyer wrote in message <354E6E...@express-news.net>...
>Watched the new Supergirl. Interesting - she is a Kryptonian
>type but from a planet called Argo. Definitely more Kara than
>current Angel-goo.
>
>TV has Dr. Fate, comics have none.
>
>So why did the TV go for the old ways?
>
>Skip the netcop baloney about other newsgroups. It's relevant.
Maybe because the pre-Crisis versions either had simpler backgrounds, or
backgrounds more familiar to the viewer. But I could be wrong.
Brian H. Bailie
Glenn E. Meyer wrote:
>
> Watched the new Supergirl. Interesting - she is a Kryptonian
> type but from a planet called Argo. Definitely more Kara than
> current Angel-goo.
>
> TV has Dr. Fate, comics have none.
>
> So why did the TV go for the old ways?
Having talked to, and read interviews with the creators, my guess
is that they'd rather tell stories of the characters that they like
and grew up with, and they try to get as close as they can with
the limitations of the current continuity.
Brian
CaptT...@webtv.net
Actually, a point could be made that the animated Supergirl is much more
like Power Girl than the pre Crisis Supergirl.
For one thing she adopted the name Karen (Karen Starr was the name Kara
Zor-L created), also she wears PG's costume colors and has a strong
resentment toward's Clark's overprotectiveness. The only difference is
that the animated SG has the Kara Zor-El personality more than she does
Power Girl's.
P.S. A note to you younger RACers, Power Girl was the Earth-2 Supergirl
pre Crisis, and she ruled!
Juliesback
>From: CaptT...@webtv.net
>Date: Wed, May 6, 1998 02:08 EDT
>Message-id: <6iouoe$1jf$1...@newsd-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
>
>P.S. A note to you younger RACers, Power Girl was the Earth-2 Supergirl
>pre Crisis, and she ruled!
Question: Did she appear *after* Supergirl, but in the Earth 2 stories? In
other words, she doesn't predate Kara Zor-El.
Oh, and Timm and company seem to enjoy putting certain Golden Age aspects into
SUPERMAN. Did anyone see the Myxtylpk episode? :)
______________________________________
Stephen Robinson
scholar, lover, crimefighter
"Quiet! Or Papa spank!"
-Batman to Selina Kyle in BATMAN #1
John Bilow
In article <199805061553...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, julie...@aol.com (Juliesback) wrote:
>>From: CaptT...@webtv.net
>>Date: Wed, May 6, 1998 02:08 EDT
>>Message-id: <6iouoe$1jf$1...@newsd-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
>
>>
>>P.S. A note to you younger RACers, Power Girl was the Earth-2 Supergirl
>>pre Crisis, and she ruled!
>
>Question: Did she appear *after* Supergirl, but in the Earth 2 stories? In
>other words, she doesn't predate Kara Zor-El.
Yes, she appeared after the earth one supergirl. Kara Zor-L was sent to earth
from krypton (not argo city) on a slower moving rocket than her cousin.
John Bilow
To reply, remove "die.spammers.die" from my address
MPonte1006
>Oh, and Timm and company seem to enjoy putting certain Golden Age aspects
>into
>SUPERMAN. Did anyone see the Myxtylpk episode? :)
>
>
>
Hey McGurck!!!
Michael Ponte- Love Machine
Dale Hicks
CaptT...@webtv.net wrote in article <6iouoe$1jf$1...@newsd-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> Actually, a point could be made that the animated Supergirl is much more
> like Power Girl than the pre Crisis Supergirl.
> For one thing she adopted the name Karen (Karen Starr was the name Kara
> Zor-L created), also she wears PG's costume colors and has a strong
> resentment toward's Clark's overprotectiveness. The only difference is
> that the animated SG has the Kara Zor-El personality more than she does
> Power Girl's.
Yes, but does she have huge ... er, tracks of land?
--
Roman Numeral One icono...@mail.clis.com
Glenn E. Meyer
Another interesting point: Alternate Earths are verboten after the Crisis
although "dimensions" are allowed and the Time Trapper can generate
mini-ones. Who knows what was happening in Zero Hour as far
as the alternate universe ban?
Anyway TV DCU clearly has alternate Earths as in the Episode
where Lois meets the alternate Superman and smooches him.
bye
Daniel McKinney
Also this goes for Helen Slater's Character Role on Kara Zor-el for the
Original Supergirl on the 1st Movie came out and it was alot of boaring.
The Salkinds had 3 Supergirl Sequels for Slater to star in the Rest but
it got expired of DC that CRISIS killed of the Character
Kara already.Warner Brothers didn't get to produce the Movie at all.
The First Supergirl Movie had became a complete failure at the
Box-Office
i was hoping There will be a Remake Version Movie on Supergirl of Sarah
Michelle Gellar from "Scream 2" may get the Contract Role on "The Maid
of Steel".
Glenn Simpson
Glenn E. Meyer wrote in message <3553CA...@express-news.net>...
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to read a story that says that the Crisis
wiped out LOTS of universes, but not all of them ("infinite" being an
exaggeration). Plus, if alternate/parallel dimensions are off-shoots from
existing ones, then it would stand to reason that new ones are being created
ever since the Crisis.
Todd VerBeek, gwm
My pal Glenn Simpson said:
>Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to read a story that says that the Crisis
>wiped out LOTS of universes, but not all of them ("infinite" being an
>exaggeration). Plus, if alternate/parallel dimensions are off-shoots from
>existing ones, then it would stand to reason that new ones are being created
>ever since the Crisis.
But the explanation for the Multiverse was that the alternate worlds were
created shortly after the Creation itself. They weren't created as the
result of divergent timelines, but were simply different versions of the
universe, which had been independent of each other since the Beginning.
Cheers, Todd
--
"...It was the year everything changed."
Brian D. Smith
On Fri, 8 May 1998, Glenn Simpson wrote:
> Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to read a story that says that the Crisis
> wiped out LOTS of universes, but not all of them ("infinite" being an
> exaggeration).
Actually, it would be entirely possible to wipe out infinitely many of the
infinite universes and still have infinitely many left over.
Say we number the universes {1, 2, 3, 4, ...}. Now get rid of all the
universes with odd numbers; when you take out {1, 3, 5, ...}, you're left
with {2, 4, 6, ...}. All three of those sets are infinite.
So there could be plenty of universes left over, without "infinite"
being an exaggeration at all.
-- Brian (wonders if the number of universes is countable or uncountable).
BHMarks
ver...@bigfoot.com (Todd VerBeek, gwm) said:
{
But the explanation for the Multiverse was that the alternate worlds were
created shortly after the Creation itself. They weren't created as the
result of divergent timelines, but were simply different versions of the
universe, which had been independent of each other since the Beginning.
}
Leading to lengthy, highly abstract, theory-based conversations between me and
Mark Gruenwald about why those worlds were so *similar*. 8 billion years (more
or less) since divergence, and Superman *still* gets named Clark Kent?
Our theories diverged at about that point, too.
(Sorry for the name-dropping, which is not my usual vice. Mark and I were both
just fans back then.)
As ever,
Bennet
Ratbat
>On Fri, 8 May 1998, Glenn Simpson wrote:
>
>> Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to read a story that says that the Crisis
>> wiped out LOTS of universes, but not all of them ("infinite" being an
>> exaggeration).
>
>Actually, it would be entirely possible to wipe out infinitely many of the
>infinite universes and still have infinitely many left over.
> Say we number the universes {1, 2, 3, 4, ...}. Now get rid of all the
>universes with odd numbers; when you take out {1, 3, 5, ...}, you're left
>with {2, 4, 6, ...}. All three of those sets are infinite.
> So there could be plenty of universes left over, without "infinite"
>being an exaggeration at all.
Aye. Hmmm.
Of course, we know that the Crisis can't have wiped out all the other
universes... Otherwise, where's that place Access pops back and forth
from?
Urac 'Ratbat' Sigma, gonna cop it now...
===
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 'I always seem to be playing Gabrielle to his Xena.' - Myself |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Urac 'Ratbat' Sigma, the Green Flame rat...@rocketmail.com |
| To the Ratcave! http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1778 |
| Or come to Recycadelic Cacti Productions... |
| ...http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/davros/95 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
Michele Hall
Ratbat wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 May 1998 10:36:15 -0700, "Brian D. Smith"
> <bsm...@cc.wwu.edu> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 8 May 1998, Glenn Simpson wrote:
> >
> >> Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to read a story that says that the Crisis
> >> wiped out LOTS of universes, but not all of them ("infinite" being an
> >> exaggeration).
> >
> >Actually, it would be entirely possible to wipe out infinitely many of the
> >infinite universes and still have infinitely many left over.
> > Say we number the universes {1, 2, 3, 4, ...}. Now get rid of all the
> >universes with odd numbers; when you take out {1, 3, 5, ...}, you're left
> >with {2, 4, 6, ...}. All three of those sets are infinite.
> > So there could be plenty of universes left over, without "infinite"
> >being an exaggeration at all.
>
> Aye. Hmmm.
>
> Of course, we know that the Crisis can't have wiped out all the other
> universes... Otherwise, where's that place Access pops back and forth
> from?
That's a place the DC readers don't like to talk about ... Access? Bah.
And then there's that universe where Clark and Diana's daughter is
chasing giant turtles ...
CyberJohns
In a recent JEOPARDY where the catagory was "Secret Identities," they quizzed
players on the title subject. The writers had to be gingerly on some of the
queries because times had changed since the players read the comics (or watched
the TV versions of same). For example: The answer -- "TV's Barbara Gordon."
The question: "Who was Batgirl?" Naturally the query had to be phrased that
way because now Barbara is a CyberBarb, and the name "Batgirl" may be taken by
somebody else (Huntress? Spoiler? Lois Lane's niece Suzy?).
Dale Hicks
CyberJohns <cyber...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199805211849...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Well, they prolly wanted to remove the possiblity of Kathy Kane(?), the
pre-crisis Batgirl that was later retconned into Flamebird(?).
Glenn Simpson
Dale Hicks wrote in message
<01bd8510$4c35b100$d379...@iconoclast.clis.com>...
Bat-Girl was Betty Kane. Kathy Kane was Batwoman. And your average
Jeopardy contestant doesn't know about the whole Oracle business, they're
just expected to remember the TV show, where Barbara Gordon was Batgirl.
Which is actually fitting, since she appeared there before appearing in the
comics.
Post-Crisis, Betty Kane has the identity Flamebird, which is fitting since
Dick Grayson is Nightwing, and PRE-Crisis, Nightwing and Flamebird were
identities Superman and Jimmy Olsen used as "Batman & Robin" style heroes in
the bottle city of Kandor before they were replaced by natives of Kandor in
those roles. Whew!