Anime = silly cartoons?
Dylan F. Alexander
Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
eyes?
I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the
experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught
on with adults. Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really
have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which
every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of
a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high.
I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
Not that I'm against geeks or masturbation, you understand, but
I'd hope one would use real women for inspiration.
I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
David Crowe
Dylan F. Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
: Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
: eyes?
It must be lonely under that bridge.
For newer readers, this is a "troll," someone posting patently offensive
statements in order to see what he can stir up. The proper (but sadly
underused) reaction is to ignore such juvenile pap.
--
David "No Nickname" Crowe http://www.primenet.com/~jetman
You only read the manual when something you can't figure out. -Skuld
Dylan F. Alexander
In article <5o58po$4...@nntp02.primenet.com>, David Crowe
<jet...@primenet.com> wrote:
}Dylan F. Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
}: Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
}: eyes?
}
}It must be lonely under that bridge.
}
}For newer readers, this is a "troll," someone posting patently offensive
}statements in order to see what he can stir up. The proper (but sadly
}underused) reaction is to ignore such juvenile pap.
I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits
(in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any criticism
of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to "stir up" trouble.
Christ, if there was an alt.sex.rape group would I be "trolling" if I
went in there an told them they were a bunch of sickos? Of course not.
I also think you're being unduly sensitive if you consider what I
wrote "patently offensive." I've been a little too mature for some
years now to watch cartoons, so I was surprised to learn from an
aquaintance that these big eyed things are popular among a few
people. I'd appreciate any enlightenment you can offer on the subject.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Tsurugi
*BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*
"This is the Emergeny Flamebait System. This is not a test. Please
stay tuned for vital information to comba this emergency."
Alright kiddies, this guy is just begging for a flame.. So what do
you do? I'll give you a hint, see that button that says delete on it?
It has an awful lot to do with that button. This bastard wants
attention, so, don't give it too him. Delete this thread, mark it
ignore (which is what I'm doing as soon as thing goes out), killfile
it, whatever, just don't feed his petty need.
"This is not a text. The instructions that you have just recieved are
vital and of the greatest importance, please follow them to the letter
to insure your safety and the safety of the others in this newgroup.
This is a public service to keep you informed of when flamebait
arises. This has been the Emergency Flamebait System"
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"This is the Emergeny Flamebait System. This is not a test. Please
stay tuned for vital information to comba this emergency."
Alright kiddies, this guy is just begging for a flame.. So what do
you do? I'll give you a hint, see that button that says delete on it?
It has an awful lot to do with that button. This bastard wants
attention, so, don't give it too him. Delete this thread, mark it
ignore (which is what I'm doing as soon as thing goes out), killfile
it, whatever, just don't feed his petty need.
"This is not a text. The instructions that you have just recieved are
vital and of the greatest importance, please follow them to the letter
to insure your safety and the safety of the others in this newgroup.
This is a public service to keep you informed of when flamebait
arises. This has been the Emergency Flamebait System"
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"This is the Emergeny Flamebait System...."
Tsurugi
James R. Leek
>
>I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits
>(in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any criticism
>of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to "stir up" trouble.
>
>Christ, if there was an alt.sex.rape group would I be "trolling" if I
>went in there an told them they were a bunch of sickos? Of course not.
>
>I also think you're being unduly sensitive if you consider what I
>wrote "patently offensive." I've been a little too mature for some
>years now to watch cartoons, so I was surprised to learn from an
>aquaintance that these big eyed things are popular among a few
>people. I'd appreciate any enlightenment you can offer on the subject.
I donno my friend sounds like a troll to me. :) We tend to
ask for a few minor requirement from the critic in question before
accepting and criticisms from them, ie knowing something about the
subject. So come back after you've watched a few and become human
once again, other wise the Billy Goat patrol may come looking for
you.
jrleek
"Oooga booga!"
m...@mysolution.com
In article <dylan-17069...@news.tamu.edu>,
>years now to watch cartoons, so I was surprised to learn from an
>aquaintance that these big eyed things are popular among a few
>people. I'd appreciate any enlightenment you can offer on the subject.
It would be extremely diffucult to explain an entire industry
over text. You almost have to do a little research. You can try
the FAQ, but if your provider is any good, you should at least have a
45K link with average transfer rate of 3.9-4.0+K/s, so I'd suggest
going to Yahoo or other search engine and enter the following
search fields (much quicker for the lazy readers):
ANIME
Anime Titles
Or for specific titles or authors... Some of the popular ones are as
follows: (Just go to Yahoo and in search field, enter following)
Maison Ikkoku
Kimagure Orange Road
Rumiko Takahashi
Adachi Mitsuru
Izumi Matsumoto
Leiji Matsumoto
Uncle Milty
Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
>
> Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
> eyes?
You mean Disney movies? That would be alt.fan.untalented-ripoff
> I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the
> experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
> 60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
Wow, what a great theory! That would explain that mouse with the
2-dimensional head also.
> What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught
> on with adults.
I've never understood the appeal of hockey, myself.
> Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really
> have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which
> every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of
> a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dr. Freud, your slip is showing.
I suppose your ideal woman is somewhere between Storm and Betty Rubble.
> I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
> cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
> masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
I have this horrible suspicion that most people who complain about
things they know nothing about are socially inept geeks who would sit
alone in the dark and masturbate if they just understood the mechanics
of it.
> Not that I'm against geeks or masturbation, you understand, but
> I'd hope one would use real women for inspiration.
Yes, real women inspired me to become a geek. That's what you meant,
wasn't it?
> I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
> are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks.
Because our taste in entertainment has risen above the level of Aggie
jokes. (tamu.edu = Texas A&M University)
> Dylan Alexander
> dy...@tamu.edu
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Enrique Conty
In article <dylan-16069...@news.tamu.edu> dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan F. Alexander) writes:
[...]
>I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
>cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
>masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
>I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
>are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks.
Mm-hm. Continuous juvenile name-calling from someone who can obviously
express himself in a more civilized fashion, *and* a request for replies
to his post. I'd give it 98% probability "Dylan" is just trolling as a
way to blow off finals stress (either that, or someone is using his
account to perform a practical joke on the poor kid).
<pat pat> Sorry, son. You don't even rate as a mediocre troll.
Better luck next time! ^_^
--
Enrique Conty
Software Cowhand
co...@cig.mot.com
http://www.mcs.net/~conty
Dylan F. Alexander
In article <33A6A2...@basinDELETETHISlink.com>, Uncle Milty
<kyo...@basinDELETETHISlink.com> wrote:
}Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
}> Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
}> eyes?
}
}You mean Disney movies? That would be alt.fan.untalented-ripoff
Disney? I wouldn't watch anything that guy put out. I mean, I have
nothing against gays, but I think the underhanded way he's trying to
corrupt little boys to follow what many people consider a perversion
is wrong. Yeah, like we didn't catch on to that whole Bambi thing.
He's a male in Walt's cartoon and a popular name for topless dancers
everywhere else? And his corporation was one of the first to grant
benefits to same sex partners? Man, the Jewish conspiracy has nothing
on old Walt. I hope they never thaw him out.
}> I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the
}> experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
}> 60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
}
}Wow, what a great theory! That would explain that mouse with the
}2-dimensional head also.
"Head." See, that's how you remember Mickey. More of Walt's phallic
imagery.
}> What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught
}> on with adults.
}
}I've never understood the appeal of hockey, myself.
Me either.
}> Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really
}> have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which
}> every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of
}> a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high.
} ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
}
}Dr. Freud, your slip is showing.
}
}I suppose your ideal woman is somewhere between Storm and Betty Rubble.
I vaguely remember Betty from my kindergarten days, but who's this
Storm fellow?
}> I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
}> cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
}> masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
}
}I have this horrible suspicion that most people who complain about
}things they know nothing about are socially inept geeks who would sit
}alone in the dark and masturbate if they just understood the mechanics
}of it.
I don't know. Explain the mechanics and I'll find out.
}> Not that I'm against geeks or masturbation, you understand, but
}> I'd hope one would use real women for inspiration.
}
}Yes, real women inspired me to become a geek. That's what you meant,
}wasn't it?
No, I meant I hoped they'd inspire masturbation.
No, wait, that's not what I meant either. I hope that _if_ you masturbate
(which is safer than homosexual sex for those of you who have watched
too many Disney cartoons) your inspiration is a real woman, not some poorly
drawn cartoon with eyes ten times wider than her vagina, that's all.
}> I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
}> are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks.
}
}Because our taste in entertainment has risen above the level of Aggie
}jokes. (tamu.edu = Texas A&M University)
I dunno, I've heard some pretty good Aggee jokes. I laughed really hard
after my mom explained 'em to me.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Mark David
dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan F. Alexander) wrote:
>Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
>eyes?
As far as trolls go, you're on the right track but you're being too
obvious. Tone it down a little and at the same time beef up your
argument a notch. The trick is to sound experienced, intellectual and
considerate; you'll lose that by running roughshod over 'geeks' like
what you've just done.
Mark David -- Super Genius! | "Just because it says DVD does not mean
mad...@achilles.net | the quality is there."
dl...@freenet.carleton.ca | --David Garber, Senior VP, LIVE Ent.
Blade
In article <dylan-16069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu says...
>Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
>eyes?
Nope, that would be rec.arts.anime.misc only. This is mostly fanfiction
and manga-oriented discussion on fandom. BTW, there's this newsgroup
called alt.flame which I think would be right up your alley. Why don't
you go there and stop soiling these newsgroups?
>I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the
>experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
>60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
Actually, they came from Japan. But then, I shouldn't expect a troll such as
yourself to really know anything about what he was insulting, should I?
>What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught
>on with adults. Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really
>have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which
>every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of
>a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high.
Ah. Let me make a psychic assumption: this imbecile has seen part of one
episode of NA Sailor Moon. He got told it was "anime" off-handedly by some
drooling fanboy, and now knows everything he thinks there is to know about
it.
>I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
>cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
>masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
I have this horrible suspicion that most people who troll newsgroups
are utter imbeciles who sit alone at their computer and masturbate
with excitement over somebody paying attention to them.
>Not that I'm against geeks or masturbation, you understand, but
>I'd hope one would use real women for inspiration.
Of course, you wouldn't know that from experience, would you?
>I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
>are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks.
No, thank YOU for once and for all proving that people with IQ's
in the single digits CAN live. As the inimitable Ms. Seawright
would say, "Smeg off, git."
Blade
Neil Scott Nadelman
Dylan F. Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
: Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
: eyes?
: I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the
: experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
: 60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
Hey, man. If I wanted to be insulted, I'll just hang out
on the comp.sys.amiga.* forums and let idiot PC users flame me.
Are you really THIS bored?
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David Crowe
: <jet...@primenet.com> wrote:
: }Dylan F. Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
: }: Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
: }: eyes?
: }
: }It must be lonely under that bridge.
: }
: }For newer readers, this is a "troll," someone posting patently offensive
: }statements in order to see what he can stir up. The proper (but sadly
: }underused) reaction is to ignore such juvenile pap.
: I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits
: (in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any criticism
: of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to "stir up" trouble.
: Christ, if there was an alt.sex.rape group would I be "trolling" if I
: went in there an told them they were a bunch of sickos? Of course not.
Lesson 2: Sometimes you get a really persistant troll, who will escalate
thier attacks in a desperate bid for attention. Killfiles work well to
deal with such people, but before you do, foreward the offensive posts to
the postmaster@the relevant domain. They generally take a dim view of
such behavior and will suspend and account after enough complaints.
ne...@juno.com
>Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
>eyes?
ah, yes, anime. those "silly cartoons" that carry labels similar to "r"
ratings. i don't think the care bears quite live up to that.
>I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the
>experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
>60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
not unless berkley temporarily moved itself, its student body, and all
its drugs to japan. somehow i find that a little farfetched. on a more
believeable note, i think that same situation might have spawned barney.
in fact, it may have spawned you. =P
>What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught
>on with adults. Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really
>have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which
>every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of
>a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high.
that doesn't explain why _I_ like anime. i mean, last i checked, i was
an ordinary STRAIGHT high school GIRL who watches twice as much anime as
most otaku guys i know. and they "read it for the articles and not the
pictures" if you know what i mean. what am i saying, of course you
don't. you're too busy looking at the centerfold.
>I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
>cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
>masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
bizarre looking women? maybe. no more bizarre than, say, anna nicole
smith. i have this horrible suspicion that you probably get off on her.
or other women who've had enough silicone pumped into their boobs to fill
a couple of two liter pop bottles. you can't tell me that's not bizarre
to look at.
>Not that I'm against geeks or masturbation, you understand, but
>I'd hope one would use real women for inspiration.
why? i hear fantasy is better than reality. not that i would know
personally. i haven't tested my fantasies against reality yet.
>I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
>are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks.
i'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why this guy's existance can
be viewed as anything more than a bad joke. (as i mumble, "thanks god!
another one! what were you thinking?")
next time you want to flame someone, i suggest sending "i <heart>
macintosh" to an ibm discussion group. and please leave us immature
masturbating socially inept geeks alone. we don't like wasting our
precious time with our hands on our keyboards responding to your crap
when we can better spend it with our hands doing illicit things where the
sun don't shine. and please give up the flames. i just recently got my
wisdom teeth out & it still hurts to laugh out loud. ^_^
elsetime,
nem0
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supertec
Dylan F. Alexander wrote in article ...
>Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
>eyes?
>
>I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the
>experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
>60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
>
>What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught
>on with adults. Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really
>have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which
>every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of
>a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high.
>
>I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
>cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
>masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
>
>Not that I'm against geeks or masturbation, you understand, but
>I'd hope one would use real women for inspiration.
>
>I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
>are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks.
>
>--
>Dylan Alexander
>dy...@tamu.edu
If you check Dejanews you can see Dylan has posted many questions like this
on many of the newsgroups. He really does not care for your views only to
start trouble,
BBAP VS
Greene
Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
>
> I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits
> (in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any criticism
> of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to "stir up" trouble.
The problem was your very uneducated question. If you think anime is
just about girls with big eyes than who are you to call them silly
because you OBVIOUSLY don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Phew...almost flamed, but I will stop because I don't want this guy to
be entertained:)
> Christ, if there was an alt.sex.rape group would I be "trolling" if I
> went in there an told them they were a bunch of sickos? Of course not.
What would possess you to go to such a newsgroup anyways? Plus, it still
IS trolling because if there were people in that group that were
rapists...how is calling them sickos going to solve anything? They are
just going to yell back...hence a troll.
> I also think you're being unduly sensitive if you consider what I
> wrote "patently offensive." I've been a little too mature for some
> years now to watch cartoons, so I was surprised to learn from an
> aquaintance that these big eyed things are popular among a few
> people. I'd appreciate any enlightenment you can offer on the subject.
If you are too old to watch "cartoons" that if fine...but if you aren't
going to bother learning what anime is all about than don't even talk
about it. I won't go into detail (because this is a waste of my time),
but if anime was just "a silly cartoon with big eyed characters" than
the major releases would be on Saturday Morning Cartoons instead of Art
houses on major college campuses. The reason why anime is not (and will
never be) mainstream in the US is because too many ignorant Americans
associate anime with cartoons...this is simply not the case. Do yourself
a favor...watch the Wings of Honneamise (available at Suncoast stores
anywhere) and then come back and offer your opinion on these children's
cartoons:)
- D'Ary, who suprisingly remained calm while typing this...
Dylan F. Alexander
}The reason why anime is not (and will never be) mainstream in the US
}is because too many ignorant Americans associate anime with cartoons...
Anime _is_ cartoons. A specific form of cartoons, perhaps, but they
still fall under the definition of "cartoon."
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan F. Alexander
}Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
}> Anime _is_ cartoons. A specific form of cartoons, perhaps, but they
}> still fall under the definition of "cartoon."
}
} Tsk, tsk, Mr. Alexander, you should know better than to try fencing
}with definitions. Many fans use a definition of "anime" which
}SPECIFICALLY excludes "cartoon", and therefore they are perfectly
}right no matter what your dictionary says.
If the definition of anime sepcifically excludes "cartoons" then it can
not be used to describe what it describes. The point is that the definition
of cartoon definitely _does_ include that "art" form you call "anime."
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
B Jones
In a previous article, dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan F. Alexander) says:
>Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
>eyes?
>What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught
>on with adults. Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really
>I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
>cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
>masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
Please go back to your home, under the bridge.
Shunsuke
--
"Veni, vidi, vici." ("Came, saw, conquered.") - Julius Caesar
"Veni, vidi, visa." ("Came, saw, purchased.") - Julius, seize her!
"Veni, vidi, vomiti." ("Came, saw, threw up.") - Julius' seizure.
B Jones
In a previous article, dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan F. Alexander) says:
>In article <5o58po$4...@nntp02.primenet.com>, David Crowe
><jet...@primenet.com> wrote:
>}
>}It must be lonely under that bridge.
.yltcaxe skramer reilrae ym derorrim eH
To paraphrase: If you can't handle Akane's cooking, stay
out of the dining room.
>I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits
>(in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any criticism
>of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to "stir up" trouble.
Embarassed? Being wilfully ignorant is something to be embarassed of.
Deviant? Celibacy is a sexual perversion, it goes against the natural
course of nature, and Catholic priests practice it.
Stupidity? That is the unwillingness to learn, not the lack of ability
or the choice of what to learn.
_Any_ criticism? Only where it is unfounded or based upon ignorance.
I doubt you started this over the "general well being" and "state of
our eternal souls"; more likely, you were trolling <g> for an argument
or flame war. Similar to what you said next, this is R.A.A.F, not
alt.religion.adonay.
Tell me, are you one of the two from February who started the "Satan
rules anime" thread? If not, check the DejaNews archive; I'm the one
who shut down that thread with words and ideas, so tread carefully.
>Christ, if there was an alt.sex.rape group would I be "trolling" if I
>went in there an told them they were a bunch of sickos? Of course not.
You would be unwelcome in that group as well. Your comments would be
appropriate, but still unwelcome. R.A.A.F deals in entertainment and
a foreign culture; alt.sex.whatever deals in loathsome behaviour.
>I also think you're being unduly sensitive if you consider what I
>wrote "patently offensive." I've been a little too mature for some
>years now to watch cartoons, so I was surprised to learn from an
>aquaintance that these big eyed things are popular among a few
>people.
Too mature? You don't truly know yourself if you say that; I know
myself very well. (No, I don't need you to tell me I'm an arrogant
bastard; I've known it for years.)
Do you consider "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" too jejune (both definitions
of the word) for your tastes? If cartoons are too immature for you,
then can I expect you will rent "Fritz the Cat" or "Shame of the Jungle"
for your kids?
> I'd appreciate any enlightenment you can offer on the subject.
You don't want enlightenment, you want confirmation. You're after
agreement or proof. If you truly want enlightenment, search the
alt.religion.buddhism.* hierarchy.
Lastly, if you expect to discuss this further, by mail or in public,
with me or anyone else, I suggest you keep it above the board. Stooping
to bible quoting, personal attacks, or insults will gain you nothing but
a trip to Coventry.
Chris Johnson
In article <dylan-16069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan F.
Alexander) wrote:
>
> Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
> eyes?
Yes, son. It is. now what do you want to know?
> I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the
> experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
> 60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
No, boy. They did too much of that stuff and came up with UNIX. The
stuff you are talking about is called anime (pronounced an-ni-may,
can you say that? I knew you could!)
> What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught
> on with adults. Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really
> have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which
> every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of
> a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high.
So you think watching cartoons is sad? Stop frame animation is a
technique that is used very widely, son. You start making fun of those
guys in Hollywood who use it because it's the only way to achieve the
effect that they want, and they'll send the boys round, know what I
mean. As for animation itself, you obviously have a wide knowledge of
the subject.
> I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
> cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
> masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
You mean, jerking off? My goodness there are many ways of doing that
knocking about the world today. Some people even get their sexual highs
writing offensive garbage on newsgroups. Don't you?
> Not that I'm against geeks or masturbation, you understand, but
> I'd hope one would use real women for inspiration.
Been there, done it. Of course, what you have to realise, son, is that
the age range on this newsgroup starts at 10-ish and goes into the
twilight realms of senility. Sexual experience tends to run according to
that. Of course, that always assumes, as you have done, that anime fulfills
nothing more or less than a sexual need. But you should never assume,
for it makes an ass out of u and me.
> I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
> are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks.
No you wouldn't, son. To explain it would take a fair amount of doing,
and you obviously ain't interested. You want to be off to the Star Wars
groups to post something about people getting off on fantasy, or
even one of the japanese groups to tell them they should be more like
the Americans. That would really make your day.
For serious study, go seek the words of wisdom of the anime FAQ via
rec.arts.anime.info, or any one of the hundreds of web sites that are
run by people that regularly post here.
Otherwise, son, go find your mother. You obviously need the comfort of
her apron strings right now.
Loser.
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Sea Wasp
Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
>
> In article <33A750...@maui.net>, fib...@maui.net wrote:
>
> }The reason why anime is not (and will never be) mainstream in the US
> }is because too many ignorant Americans associate anime with cartoons...
>
> still fall under the definition of "cartoon."
Tsk, tsk, Mr. Alexander, you should know better than to try fencing
with definitions. Many fans use a definition of "anime" which
SPECIFICALLY excludes "cartoon", and therefore they are perfectly
right no matter what your dictionary says.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Sea Wasp
Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
>
> Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
> eyes?
>
> experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the
> 60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong.
It's really cruel to let people see that your true appearance is that
of a TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL...
How many fish did he hook, people? WHOA, way over the limit. Throw
those back, boy!
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Michael Borgwardt
In article <dylan-17069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan F. Alexander) writes:
|> In article <33A76C...@wizvax.net>, sea...@wizvax.net wrote:
|>
|> }Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
|> }> Anime _is_ cartoons. A specific form of cartoons, perhaps, but they
|> }> still fall under the definition of "cartoon."
|> }
|> } Tsk, tsk, Mr. Alexander, you should know better than to try fencing
|> }with definitions. Many fans use a definition of "anime" which
|> }SPECIFICALLY excludes "cartoon", and therefore they are perfectly
|> }right no matter what your dictionary says.
|>
|> If the definition of anime sepcifically excludes "cartoons" then it can
|> not be used to describe what it describes. The point is that the definition
|> of cartoon definitely _does_ include that "art" form you call "anime."
Definition of "anime":
Word used by Japanese to describe any kind of animated movie
Definition of "anime" as used outside Japan:
Word used to refer to animated movies produced in Japan
Definition of "cartoon":
Word used by Americans to describe any kind of animated movie
I hope this helps.
--
Michael "Brazil" Borgwardt / 089-3616887 / borg...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Member of #WASHU# and initiate of the Church of Washu-chan, goddess of
science, humor and everything and Her prophetess Ryoko the Magnificent.
--------------- Let`s shake the dew off this lily, shall we ? ---------------
The Epiphanist
Dylan F. Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote in article
<dylan-16069...@news.tamu.edu>...
> Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
> eyes?
Heheheh. You lack subtlety, but you did stir the pot. Now slick down that
wild hair and put some clothes over your sexless potbellied figurine body,
Troll-boy.
--
The Epiphanist
"You are made of the changing world. You are the
thing that changes according to its own mind."
- - Ayanami Rei,
"Neon Genesis EVANGELION"
Episode 26
Justin Palmer
In article <dylan-16069...@news.tamu.edu>, "Dylan F. Alexander"
<dy...@tamu.edu> writes
>Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
>eyes?
(katana applied to rest of this... )
Dylan F. Alexander no baka.
Try looking baka up in a Japanese/English dictionary. Its called
R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H. Its what you do to find out where "those silly
cartoons" come from. You never know, you might learn something.
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We make our own destiny. |jus...@briareos.demon.co.uk |
We'll live and love as we please. |Lyrics from Urusei Yatsura Movie 3:|
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Taro Rehrl
In article <33A76C...@wizvax.net>,
Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> writes:
> It's really cruel to let people see that your true appearance is that
> of a TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL...
>
> How many fish did he hook, people? WHOA, way over the limit. Throw
> those back, boy!
I don't know what would be the best method to get rid of a Troll.
Perhaps the first reply should not only contain the Troll alert
but a very short summary of the mistakes the Troll made (And pure
bashing without making mistakes is impossible). Then let's
see if he ever replies.
In our case the Troll still had the chance to react because the
first reply wasn't too related to the original post.
Hm, the best would be a voluntary Troll patrol ...
But on the other side these threads are quite fun to read. ^_^
I especially liked Tsurugi's post.
Taro
--
Taro Rehrl (re...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de)
AKIRA -- Game Music -- Anime on German TV -- A Little Princess Sara
http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~rehrl/
Anime: Neo-Tokyo is about to explode ... and I'm trapped in London, 1885
Frank O Wustner
Dylan F. Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
...some really wierd stuff about Mickey Mouse being a phalic symbol and
Bambi being gay.
Now I KNOW that you are a troll. Please go away. You are not
contributing anything to these news groups.
The Deadly Nightshade
|-----------------------------------|
|"I, too, believe in fate... |
|the fate a man makes for himself." |
|Lord Soth |
|-----------------------------------|
|"Quoth the raven, 'Eat my shorts!'"|
|Edgar Allan Bart |
|-----------------------------------|
|"Ack. Thpppbt." Bill the Cat |
|-----------------------------------|
Michael Duffy
We interrupt this newsgroup to bring you a special report!
I just checked DejaNews, and discovered that Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu)
is indeed a short tempered troll. The police are checking under bridges as we
speak to try and capture him in order to keep the public safe. In the
meantime, we ask everyone to add him to your kill file and DO NOT APPROACH him
if he is spotted. He is known to be pointlessly argumentative, and any contact
with him is done at one's own risk. The proper authorities
(postm...@tamu.edu) have been contacted about the most recent spotting, and
they should be consulted if any future sightings are reported. As long as
citizens keep a level head and follow the correct procedures, this crisis will
pass.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled newsgroup.
Michael Duffy
Dylan F. Alexander
In article <5o9l06$j...@ionews.ionet.net>, mdu...@ionet.net (Michael Duffy)
wrote:
}We interrupt this newsgroup to bring you a special report!
}
}I just checked DejaNews, and discovered that Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu)
}is indeed a short tempered troll. The police are checking under bridges as we
}speak to try and capture him in order to keep the public safe. In the
}meantime, we ask everyone to add him to your kill file and DO NOT APPROACH him
}if he is spotted. He is known to be pointlessly argumentative, and any
contact
}with him is done at one's own risk. The proper authorities
}(postm...@tamu.edu) have been contacted about the most recent spotting, and
}they should be consulted if any future sightings are reported.
Uh, exactly what have I done that would concern my postmaster? All of my
posts were appropriate to the topics of these groups.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
lu...@ibm.net
In article <5o7hts$6...@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>,
-----------------------------------
Mr. Nightshit,
Keep your cool, you might melt! LUOS
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
David Crowe
Dylan F. Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
: Uh, exactly what have I done that would concern my postmaster? All of my
: posts were appropriate to the topics of these groups.
Right. Sure. And laden with insults and anti-Semitism. Here are some
examples of your filth.
>I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
>cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
>masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
>I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits
>(in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any
>criticism of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to "stir up"
>trouble.
>Man, the Jewish conspiracy has nothing on old Walt. I hope they never
>thaw him out.
>No, I meant I hoped they'd inspire masturbation.
>"Head." See, that's how you remember Mickey. More of Walt's phallic
>imagery.
This is all I have to say to you. I am now putting you in my killfile.
You aren't worth any more of my time. I hope others will follow my
example.
Hi Mr. Crowe!
In article <5oa740$9...@nntp02.primenet.com>, David Crowe
<jet...@primenet.com> wrote:
}Dylan F. Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
}
}: Uh, exactly what have I done that would concern my postmaster? All of my
}: posts were appropriate to the topics of these groups.
}
}Right. Sure. And laden with insults and anti-Semitism. Here are some
}examples of your filth.
Anti-Semitism? When did I ever mention Jews on this newsgroup?
}>I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
}>cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
}>masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
Filth? Maybe, but is it _true_? Without some sort of unbiased investigation,
I'm afraid I can't quite let this belief go. Certainly nothing here has
been adequate to convince me that any participants in this newsgroup are
well adjusted people. Frankly, you frighten me.
}>I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits
}>(in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any
}>criticism of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to "stir up"
}>trouble.
There's nothing objectively wrong with this. You're just upset that
I pointed out some unpleasant truths.
}>Man, the Jewish conspiracy has nothing on old Walt. I hope they never
}>thaw him out.
Oh, that. If you don't see the error in your thinking here, I'm afraid
there's not help for you.
}>No, I meant I hoped they'd inspire masturbation.
What, you've never masturbated?
}>"Head." See, that's how you remember Mickey. More of Walt's phallic
}>imagery.
I'm to be blamed for someone else's description of Mickey? Is that
fair?
}This is all I have to say to you. I am now putting you in my killfile.
I'm sorry to hear that, but I do want you to see this response.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan Alexander
In article <33A8BB...@wizvax.net>, sea...@wizvax.net wrote:
}Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
}> Uh, exactly what have I done that would concern my postmaster? All of my
}> posts were appropriate to the topics of these groups.
}
} Deliberate posting of inflammatory material ("Trolling"), which IS
}what you were doing, is a violation of netiquette and NOT actually
}appropriate to the topic of ANY newsgroup (aside from possibly
}alt.flame). Being a deliberate, studied dickhead is never a good idea.
Ignoring the fact that I'm simply expressing an honestly held opinion
for the moment, it still remains to be seen why this is a concern for
my (or anyone else's) postmaster. Massive crossposting to irrelevant
groups? Sure. Spam? Without a doubt.
But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Ru Igarashi
Michael Borgwardt (borg...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) wrote:
>
>In article <dylan-17069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan F. Alexander) writes:
>|> }> still fall under the definition of "cartoon."
>|> }
>|> } Tsk, tsk, Mr. Alexander, you should know better than to try fencing
>|> }with definitions. Many fans use a definition of "anime" which
>|> }SPECIFICALLY excludes "cartoon", and therefore they are perfectly
>|> }right no matter what your dictionary says.
>|>
>|> If the definition of anime sepcifically excludes "cartoons" then it can
>|> not be used to describe what it describes. The point is that the definition
>|> of cartoon definitely _does_ include that "art" form you call "anime."
>
>Definition of "anime":
>Word used by Japanese to describe any kind of animated movie
>
>Definition of "anime" as used outside Japan:
>Word used to refer to animated movies produced in Japan
>
>Definition of "cartoon":
>Word used by Americans to describe any kind of animated movie
I think the definitions are a bit mixed up. Cartoons are not
necessarily animated. Cartoons are typically meant for humor,
satire, or caricature. Animated cartoons are a subclass of
animation. Animation is a moving picture generated by
presenting still figures in successively different positions.
That is to say, all japanese moving cartoons are anime, but not
all anime is japanese moving cartoons. The difference is in the
intent of the work. For example, to say that Patlabor Movie 2
is a cartoon is the same as saying that Das Boot is a comedy;
both are too sombre to be classed like that.
ru
Sea Wasp
Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
>
> In article <5o9l06$j...@ionews.ionet.net>, mdu...@ionet.net (Michael Duffy)
> wrote:
>
> }We interrupt this newsgroup to bring you a special report!
> }
> }I just checked DejaNews, and discovered that Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu)
> }is indeed a short tempered troll. The police are checking under bridges as we
> }speak to try and capture him in order to keep the public safe. In the
> }meantime, we ask everyone to add him to your kill file and DO NOT APPROACH him
> }if he is spotted. He is known to be pointlessly argumentative, and any
> contact
> }with him is done at one's own risk. The proper authorities
> }(postm...@tamu.edu) have been contacted about the most recent spotting, and
> }they should be consulted if any future sightings are reported.
>
> posts were appropriate to the topics of these groups.
Deliberate posting of inflammatory material ("Trolling"), which IS
what you were doing, is a violation of netiquette and NOT actually
appropriate to the topic of ANY newsgroup (aside from possibly
alt.flame). Being a deliberate, studied dickhead is never a good idea.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Sea Wasp
Taro Rehrl wrote:
>
> In article <33A76C...@wizvax.net>,
> Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> writes:
>
> > It's really cruel to let people see that your true appearance is that
> > of a TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL...
> >
> > How many fish did he hook, people? WHOA, way over the limit. Throw
> > those back, boy!
>
> I don't know what would be the best method to get rid of a Troll.
First you bash it to get it down to 0 HP, then pour oil on it and
light it on fire! That's the standard method, anyway. A *Disintegrate*
spell is a good idea, too, or, if you're at range, a *Fireball*
(repeat as needed).
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Arnold Kim
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
> In article <33A76C...@wizvax.net>, sea...@wizvax.net wrote:
>
> }Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
> }> Anime _is_ cartoons. A specific form of cartoons, perhaps, but they
> }> still fall under the definition of "cartoon."
> }
> } Tsk, tsk, Mr. Alexander, you should know better than to try fencing
> }with definitions. Many fans use a definition of "anime" which
> }SPECIFICALLY excludes "cartoon", and therefore they are perfectly
> }right no matter what your dictionary says.
>
> If the definition of anime sepcifically excludes "cartoons" then it can
> not be used to describe what it describes. The point is that the definition
> of cartoon definitely _does_ include that "art" form you call "anime."
Just that the word "cartoon" has such childish connotations attatched to
it.
Arnold Kim
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Michael Borgwardt
In article <33A8BA...@wizvax.net>, Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> writes:
|> Taro Rehrl wrote:
|> >
|> > In article <33A76C...@wizvax.net>,
|> > Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> writes:
|> >
|> > > It's really cruel to let people see that your true appearance is that
|> > > of a TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL...
|> > >
|> > > How many fish did he hook, people? WHOA, way over the limit. Throw
|> > > those back, boy!
|> >
|> > I don't know what would be the best method to get rid of a Troll.
|>
|> First you bash it to get it down to 0 HP, then pour oil on it and
|> light it on fire! That's the standard method, anyway. A *Disintegrate*
|> spell is a good idea, too, or, if you're at range, a *Fireball*
|> (repeat as needed).
I think a "Dragon Slave" is most effective though...
Michael Borgwardt
I think this one is too sophisticated and persistent to be a standard Troll.
I`d guess sociology student....
Berk' Watkins
Dylan Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote in article <dylan-
> Ignoring the fact that I'm simply expressing an honestly held opinion
> for the moment, it still remains to be seen why this is a concern for
> my (or anyone else's) postmaster. Massive crossposting to irrelevant
> groups? Sure. Spam? Without a doubt.
>
> But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
> find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
Yet another troll.. good grief.
You don't go to RAAM and call anime 'silly' cartoons to everyone's face, it's
called 'foolish'.
--
Berk' Watkins, Gai-Jin Samurai at Large
"I sincerely believe that the spirit of
Jerry Garcia inspired that man to help
us out on that dark, stormy night."
- Jay Kaitz, A Great American Philosopher ^_-
Berk' Watkins
Michael Borgwardt <borg...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote in article
<5oaud2$b...@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>...
> I think this one is too sophisticated and persistent to be a standard
> Troll.
> I`d guess sociology student....
Ah, there is nothing more horrifing than a man who does not know what he
does not know... ^_^
Berk' Watkins
Berk' Watkins <nef...@nospam.jax-inter.net> wrote in article
> You don't go to RAAM and call anime 'silly' cartoons to everyone's
>face, it's called 'foolish'.
^^^^^^^
As in.. trolling by calling anime silly.
Sea Wasp
> |> > I don't know what would be the best method to get rid of a Troll.
> |> First you bash it to get it down to 0 HP, then pour oil on it and
> |> light it on fire! That's the standard method, anyway. A *Disintegrate*
> |> spell is a good idea, too, or, if you're at range, a *Fireball*
> |> (repeat as needed).
>
> I think a "Dragon Slave" is most effective though...
Well, yes, certainly. Or Megadeth, or Exodus for that matter. But if
you want any of the surrounding landscape intact, maybe you should
restrain yourself.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Sea Wasp
Dylan Alexander wrote:
> }> posts were appropriate to the topics of these groups.
> }
> } Deliberate posting of inflammatory material ("Trolling"), which IS
> }what you were doing, is a violation of netiquette and NOT actually
> }appropriate to the topic of ANY newsgroup (aside from possibly
> }alt.flame). Being a deliberate, studied dickhead is never a good idea.
>
> for the moment, it still remains to be seen why this is a concern for
> my (or anyone else's) postmaster. Massive crossposting to irrelevant
> groups? Sure. Spam? Without a doubt.
>
> But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
> find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
There's a difference between expressing your ideas in a deliberately
offensive way, and expressing them in a manner that permits sensible
dialogue on the issue.
Your entry to this list, assuming this isn't just an extended troll
on your part, was the equivalent to popping onto, say, a winetaster's
list and basically stating that they were obviously all drunkards and
losers, while also deliberately confusing the different kinds of
alcoholic beverages to further annoy them.
If, on the other hand, you started your discussion in a sensible
manner, you'd get much more sensible behavior. Hell, your first
paragraph showed that you didn't know what the hell you were talking
about -- the "big eyes" cliche. There are a lot of anime without "big
eyes" (a classic example is Hokuto no Ken). You used derogatory terms
to describe the artform for which this entire list exists; in that
sense, another even closer parallel would be walking into a group of
art majors who are discussing Jackson Pollock and sneering about
"splattered paint" and "my five-year old can do that". If in that case
what you wanted was to find out HOW what Pollock did differed from
what a five year old does, you could find out by saying, "y'know, I
don't know anything about this subject, but looking at this painting
all I see is splattered paint; how can you call this ART? I could grab
five cans of paint and throw them on a canvas too. So what is the
difference?" You STILL might get some hair-trigger reactionaries --
you almost always will -- but you'd get a LOT LESS with the second
approach than with the first.
Assuming, again, that you aren't just trolling:
1) As I said, the Big Eyes is a cliche. The fact that it IS a large
part of the industry is due to the fact that Osamu Tezuka, the "Anime
no Kami" ("God of Anime") who founded the industry, derived a VAST
amount of his inspiration from Walt Disney, whose characters had quite
large, expressive eyes. In addition, the Japanese often use eyes to
express emotion, and larger eyes emphasize whatever expression they
want to use.
2) The term "Cartoon", as used in THIS forum, is generally used to
mean "animated material produced for children". While SOME anime fits
that description (Akazukin no Cha-Cha, Dragonball, etc), a great deal
of it does NOT, especially depending on how one defines "children". I
don't consider adolescents "children". Following that definition, the
majority of anime would not fit that definition of "cartoon". If you
define "children" as anyone under, say, 18 - 20, then the proportion
tips towards the Children side, but there is STILL a lot of anime
meant for very much older audiences. Wings of Honneamise, for
instance, would NEVER qualify as a "cartoon" under that definition.
Even if YOU prefer to use a different definition of cartoon, it's very
offensive to use it in THIS forum, and you're well advised to follow
the conventions here; calling anime "cartoons" in this newsgroup is
equivalent to using racist language. It's offensive and there's no
good reason to use it.
3) Most anime is produced by powerful, big companies who spend huge
amounts of money to publicize them and merchandise them. The "boys in
the dark rooms" may WATCH a lot of the "hentai" releases, but such
people rarely if ever have the resources or dedication to produce any
of the stuff themselves, let alone market it effectively.
4) Anime, in Japan, is very different than animated film here. The
overwhelming perception of Americans is very similar to yours;
animation is "for kids", and if they've seen anything else they've
most likely been exposed to one of the nastier "adult" anime, and so
they think "anime is sextoons". Japan uses anime as another medium, no
more, no less. Anything you find done live-action here, from kid's
shows to action-adventure to soap operas to sports shows, is done in
an anime form as well. Your comments sounded like someone talking
about "all television" based on having seen three episodes of Barney,
one Scooby-Doo, and a snippet off the Playboy Channel. It's
unfortunate that even people/organizations that try to promote anime
awareness here in the states, like the SF channel, tend to focus on
the violence and sex angle, probably because they figure it will get
more attention that way. It does, but it often backfires by making
people think "Oh, all anime is like [Akira, Devilman, Overfiend,
etc.]" For a well-rounded look, you have to see a bunch of different
kinds of anime; Akazukin no Cha-Cha (a very nice kid's show),
Marmalade Boy (shoujo, or girl's, anime, sort of a romantic soap
opera), Vision of Escaflowne (a high-fantasy adventure/serial), Wings
of Honneamise (very intense, serious movie which takes place on a
world that isn't our Earth... but it COULD have been), Slam Dunk
(basketball-oriented series), Kimagure Orange Road/Maison Ikkoku (both
romantic comedies; if you like a little sf/fantasy in all your
viewing, KOR is the way to go; if not, MI), Ranma 1/2 (especially if
you skipped MI; everyone should see at least one Takahashi anime, and
this one is the quintessential martial-arts comedy series), Nadia:
Secret of Blue Water (A Victorian-age adventure inspired by the works
of Jules Verne), Mobile Suit Gundam (SF/Mecha oriented serial/soap
opera), Space Adventurer Cobra (pure Space Opera)... the list goes on.
Any live-action genre or subgenre you can think of has an anime
equivalent, and sometimes animated is a better way to go, especially
when you have either limited money, limited space, or limited time, or
any combination thereof. Special effects are easier to do when you're
just drawing them, and you never need to worry about them clashing
with the "live shots" because there aren't any, and you don't need
gigantic sound stages and huge sets; just some places for people to
draw and a bunch of editing and film equipment, most of which you'd
need anyway.
I still suspect this of being a giant, continuing troll, but if not,
I've given you a serious response.
Next time try posting WITHOUT using deliberately inflammatory
language. Another, even better analogy to your first post would be to
go to rec.games.frp.dnd and ask if "this is the place you people
discuss your Satanic games and how to draw more people into the
Worship of Darkness by playing your fantasy games..."
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Chris Schack
In article <dylan-16069...@news.tamu.edu>,
dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan F. Alexander) wrote:
>Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
>eyes?
<SNIP remainder of stuff>
This is the right place to get flamed for saying all that.
Chris Schack
paradoxymoron
Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> wrote:
>Taro Rehrl wrote:
>>
>> In article <33A76C...@wizvax.net>,
>> Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> writes:
>>
>> > It's really cruel to let people see that your true appearance is that
>> > of a TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL...
>> >
>> > How many fish did he hook, people? WHOA, way over the limit. Throw
>> > those back, boy!
>>
>> I don't know what would be the best method to get rid of a Troll.
> First you bash it to get it down to 0 HP, then pour oil on it and
>light it on fire! That's the standard method, anyway. A *Disintegrate*
>spell is a good idea, too, or, if you're at range, a *Fireball*
>(repeat as needed).
>--
> Sea Wasp
> /^\
> ;;;
Is that for normal rules, or for "0hp=unconsciousness" rules?
Just use a Sword of Troll Killing
Sea Wasp
Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
> }> still fall under the definition of "cartoon."
> }
> } Tsk, tsk, Mr. Alexander, you should know better than to try fencing
> }with definitions. Many fans use a definition of "anime" which
> }SPECIFICALLY excludes "cartoon", and therefore they are perfectly
> }right no matter what your dictionary says.
>
> If the definition of anime sepcifically excludes "cartoons" then it can
> not be used to describe what it describes. The point is that the definition
> of cartoon definitely _does_ include that "art" form you call "anime."
Note that in many professions and hobbies a familiar word can be used
in ways that are not the same as the layman's understanding of that
word; for instance, "normal" in the mathematical sense is "at right
angles", as in "observe the line normal to line AB...".
Here, partly as a matter of purely elitist arrogance and partly in
the interests of quick discrimination of subject matter, the term
"cartoon" is used to mean "animated material for children", often with
an implied "...produced outside of Japan" addendum. Using the first
part, it is clear that while some anime are also cartoons, ALL anime
are not cartoons. Therefore the terms are not equivalent.
This assumes that you didn't understand this difference before. Given
how perfectly inflammatory your post was, I doubt that VERY much; you
knew perfectly well that the word Cartoon is NOT used in anime groups
to describe anime, and that it is considered offensive, but you used
it anyway. I suppose you deliberately walk up to, um, people of color
(is that the right term this week?) and call them "niggers", too.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray)
In article <xxx-180697...@news.tamu.edu>,
Hi Mr. Crowe! <x...@xxx.edu> wrote:
>}Right. Sure. And laden with insults and anti-Semitism. Here are some
>}examples of your filth.
>
>Anti-Semitism? When did I ever mention Jews on this newsgroup?
Yes. Read your own posts, dweebie troller.
>Filth? Maybe, but is it _true_? Without some sort of unbiased investigation,
>I'm afraid I can't quite let this belief go. Certainly nothing here has
>been adequate to convince me that any participants in this newsgroup are
>well adjusted people. Frankly, you frighten me.
We have not yet BEGUN to frighten you, little man... ;]
-Ben
--
"BGC: Because some of us believe women over 14 are still sexy."
=--------- http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~cantrick/home.html -------------=
*Ben Cantrick, diehard BGC otaku and Priss fan. ---> THE BGC DUBS SUCK! <---*
*Mac? Ha. "When I want to spend 50% of my time fighting an OS, I'll use VMS."*
ne...@juno.com
>Dylan the troll wrote:
>}In article <5o9l06$j...@ionews.ionet.net>, mdu...@ionet.net (Michael
Duffy)
>}wrote:
>}We interrupt this newsgroup to bring you a special report!
>}
>}I just checked DejaNews, and discovered that Dylan Alexander
(dy...@tamu.edu)
>}is indeed a short tempered troll. The police are checking under
bridges as we
>}speak to try and capture him in order to keep the public safe. In the
>}meantime, we ask everyone to add him to your kill file and DO NOT
APPROACH him
>}if he is spotted. He is known to be pointlessly argumentative, and any
>contact
>}with him is done at one's own risk. The proper authorities
>}(postm...@tamu.edu) have been contacted about the most recent
spotting, and
>}they should be consulted if any future sightings are reported.
>Uh, exactly what have I done that would concern my postmaster? All of my
>posts were appropriate to the topics of these groups.
"appropriate" is not exactly the word i'd use to describe your posting,
troll-boy. i've seen more appropriate material in a lemon 'fic. and
what is your problem with disney? so he was gay, so what? apparently
you are one of those people who has so little brain power as to be
threatened by things you don't understand. you are what is wrong with
society at large today. you make me ill. and very few things make me
ill. go back to your hellhole under the bridge before i have to go get
my friends in texas to kick your sorry butt.
anyone else wanna join me in sending this freak a load of junk e-mail?
maybe we could send him huge volumes of anime stuff, fanfics, fanmail,
and the like. flood his account. have it revoked. something like that.
elsetime,
nem0
[==============[The Existential Anime Grrl}+++++++++++++++}
[ "Once you get a taste of impact ]{ Another fine }
[ you're always hungry for the crash!" ]{ byproduct of }
[ -Sound of the Bell, Vercua Salt- ]{ nem0's boredom }
[======[http://www.angelfire.com/mt/nem0/index.html}++++++}
Mike Breen
On 18 Jun 1997 21:46:46 GMT, mdu...@ionet.net (Michael Duffy) wrote:
>I just checked DejaNews, and discovered that Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu)
>is indeed a short tempered troll.
Notice that DejaNews came up with over 6,000 hits from him just in
their *active* database and he calls anime viewing scary? Someone
that has to get his yah-yah's by constant trolling of pretty much each
specialized NG shouldn't be condenming anyone else for imagined
perversity.
---Mike
To send me legitimate non-spam mail, replace
"NO_SPAM" in the domian with "channel1"
Visit the Craving Orange homepage at:
http://user1.channel1.com/users/mikeb
Arnold Kim
On 19 Jun 1997, Michael Borgwardt wrote:
> In article <33A8BA...@wizvax.net>, Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> writes:
> |> Taro Rehrl wrote:
> |> >
> |> > In article <33A76C...@wizvax.net>,
> |> > Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> writes:
> |> >
> |> > > It's really cruel to let people see that your true appearance is that
> |> > > of a TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL...
> |> > >
> |> > > How many fish did he hook, people? WHOA, way over the limit. Throw
> |> > > those back, boy!
> |> >
> |> > I don't know what would be the best method to get rid of a Troll.
> |>
> |> First you bash it to get it down to 0 HP, then pour oil on it and
> |> light it on fire! That's the standard method, anyway. A *Disintegrate*
> |> spell is a good idea, too, or, if you're at range, a *Fireball*
> |> (repeat as needed).
>
> I think a "Dragon Slave" is most effective though...
Giga Slave is probably even better, but that might be overdoing it.^_^
Dylan Alexander
In article <33ab9e3d...@news1.channel1.com>, mi...@user1.NO_SPAM.com
(Mike Breen) wrote:
}On 18 Jun 1997 21:46:46 GMT, mdu...@ionet.net (Michael Duffy) wrote:
}>I just checked DejaNews, and discovered that Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu)
}>is indeed a short tempered troll.
}
}Notice that DejaNews came up with over 6,000 hits from him just in
}their *active* database and he calls anime viewing scary? Someone
}that has to get his yah-yah's by constant trolling of pretty much each
}specialized NG shouldn't be condenming anyone else for imagined
}perversity.
The vast majority of those are legitimate posts (as are those to this
group, of course). I'll grant that the line between normal behavior
and trolling in rec.sport.football.college is often a thin one, though.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Innpchan
>
>anyone else wanna join me in sending this freak a load of junk e-mail?
>maybe we could send him huge volumes of anime stuff, fanfics, fanmail,
>and the like. flood his account. have it revoked. something like that.
>
>
Looks like someone beat us to it:
--------------------------------------------------------
In article <33A826...@tamu.edu>, the...@tamu.edu wrote:
}I am writing to inform to the users of the newsgroup
} rec.sport.football.college
}that D.F. Alexander has been disallowed from the A&M computing
}resources. He is scheduled for deportation next Thursday.
}
}I regret any inconvenience he may have caused you.
------------------------------------------------------
All together now--
"BYE-BYE DICKHEAD!!!"
tehpig
*****
Tezuka fans hate Disney.
Baptists hate Disney.
ergo:
TEZUKA FANS ARE HOMOPHOBIC!!!!!
For more lessons in faulty logic, watch the evening news.
*****
C.J. Scott --the pig
Berk' Watkins
> Giga Slave is probably even better, but that might be overdoing it.^_^
Spirit of the Night (now *that* is overkill...)
Sea Wasp
I'm afraid... we don't believe you.
In my heyday I was considered one of the most annoyingly prolific
posters on the entire Net -- once made the top 25 posters of Usenet,
and unlike all the other 24 I hadn't duplicated a single post, nor
uploaded one -- all were typed by hand. I never came CLOSE to 6,000.
So... get a grip, a life, and a clue -- not necessarily in that
order.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Dylan Alexander
}Dylan Alexander wrote:
}> In article <33ab9e3d...@news1.channel1.com>, mi...@user1.NO_SPAM.com
}> (Mike Breen) wrote:
}> }Notice that DejaNews came up with over 6,000 hits from him just in
}> }their *active* database and he calls anime viewing scary? Someone
}> }that has to get his yah-yah's by constant trolling of pretty much each
}> }specialized NG shouldn't be condenming anyone else for imagined
}> }perversity.
}>
}> The vast majority of those are legitimate posts (as are those to this
}> group, of course). I'll grant that the line between normal behavior
}> and trolling in rec.sport.football.college is often a thin one, though.
}
} I'm afraid... we don't believe you.
}
} In my heyday I was considered one of the most annoyingly prolific
}posters on the entire Net -- once made the top 25 posters of Usenet,
}and unlike all the other 24 I hadn't duplicated a single post, nor
}uploaded one -- all were typed by hand. I never came CLOSE to 6,000.
Are you really this stupid or is it just an act? What on earth does
this have to do with the proportion of my posts that are trolls?
All of my posts are "typed by hand", too. Even if they weren't, what
does this have to do with the subject at hand?
You'll note that the vast majority of my posts go to two groups,
with most of the rest concentrated in a few more. A little simple
research in these groups will reveal that I'm a regular in all
with an extended time served and much on topic posting.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
ne...@juno.com
dylan the (i can't say it, it's too inappropriate) said...
>Are you really this stupid or is it just an act? What on earth does
>this have to do with the proportion of my posts that are trolls?
>All of my posts are "typed by hand", too. Even if they weren't, what
>does this have to do with the subject at hand?
everything. who cares if you type every post by hand? it's irrelevant.
it just means that you take your time and make sure everything is, shall
we say, inflamatory enough to garner response from the flamed
individuals.
>You'll note that the vast majority of my posts go to two groups,
>with most of the rest concentrated in a few more. A little simple
>research in these groups will reveal that I'm a regular in all
>with an extended time served and much on topic posting.
well, i'd say you've spent quite a bit of time on topic posting here.
doesn't make you a regular, and it certainly doesn't make you welcome.
how many of the above said groups would say they respect you and your
postings? or would they agree with us that you don't deserve to have
e-mail privilages? and even if they do welcome you, we don't.
you've had your kicks. go away, troll.
Weapon X
On 19 Jun 1997, Berk' Watkins wrote:
> Michael Borgwardt <borg...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote in article
> <5oaud2$b...@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>...
>
> > I think this one is too sophisticated and persistent to be a standard
> > Troll.
> > I`d guess sociology student....
>
> Ah, there is nothing more horrifing than a man who does not know what he
> does not know... ^_^
This reminds me of an ancient Chinese proverb I somehow memorized ever
since I was really young.
He who knows and knows he knows,
He is a wise man, seek him.
He who knows and knows not he knows,
He is asleep, wake him.
He who knows not and knows he knows not,
He is a child, teach him.
He who knows not and knows not he knows not,
He is a fool, shun him.
-Anonymous
Weapon X
Belldandy, Hino Rei, Lina, Mihoshi, Priss, Nene, Chun Li, Leona, Mitaka.
CAPOW Home Page: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~krramdat/capow/
The Ranma 1/2 Ward: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~krramdat/ranmain.html
The BGC Ward: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/9057/
"Itte...." -Gourry
Rol Virata
Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
: }Dylan Alexander wrote:
: }> In article <33ab9e3d...@news1.channel1.com>, mi...@user1.NO_SPAM.com
: }> (Mike Breen) wrote:
: }> }Notice that DejaNews came up with over 6,000 hits from him just in
: }> }their *active* database and he calls anime viewing scary? Someone
: }> }that has to get his yah-yah's by constant trolling of pretty much each
: }> }specialized NG shouldn't be condenming anyone else for imagined
: }> }perversity.
: }>
: }> The vast majority of those are legitimate posts (as are those to this
: }> group, of course). I'll grant that the line between normal behavior
: }> and trolling in rec.sport.football.college is often a thin one, though.
: }
: } I'm afraid... we don't believe you.
: }
: } In my heyday I was considered one of the most annoyingly prolific
: }posters on the entire Net -- once made the top 25 posters of Usenet,
: }and unlike all the other 24 I hadn't duplicated a single post, nor
: }uploaded one -- all were typed by hand. I never came CLOSE to 6,000.
: Are you really this stupid or is it just an act? What on earth does
: this have to do with the proportion of my posts that are trolls?
: All of my posts are "typed by hand", too. Even if they weren't, what
: does this have to do with the subject at hand?
: You'll note that the vast majority of my posts go to two groups,
: with most of the rest concentrated in a few more. A little simple
: research in these groups will reveal that I'm a regular in all
: with an extended time served and much on topic posting.
: --
: Dylan Alexander
: dy...@tamu.edu
Minna-san, you do realize that he is succeding in baiting you into reply
to his posts. I think the guy who posted a response to him first had the
right idea. Some things do go away if you ignore them.
Rol
Chris Schack
In article <5oboge$sjk$3...@newbabylon.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
parado...@hotmail.com.removethispartifyouwanttosendmeane-mail (paradoxymoron) wrote:
>Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> wrote:
>
>>Taro Rehrl wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <33A76C...@wizvax.net>,
>>> Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> writes:
>>>
>>> > It's really cruel to let people see that your true appearance is that
>>> > of a TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL...
>>> >
>>> > How many fish did he hook, people? WHOA, way over the limit. Throw
>>> > those back, boy!
>>>
>>> I don't know what would be the best method to get rid of a Troll.
>
>> First you bash it to get it down to 0 HP, then pour oil on it and
>>light it on fire! That's the standard method, anyway. A *Disintegrate*
>>spell is a good idea, too, or, if you're at range, a *Fireball*
>>(repeat as needed).
>
>
>
>> Sea Wasp
>> /^\
>> ;;;
>Is that for normal rules, or for "0hp=unconsciousness" rules?
I don't think it matters. You still need to keep track of HP
beyond 0 for Trolls.
>Just use a Sword of Troll Killing
or a Flaming Sword (more general)
Chris Schack
Frank O Wustner
lu...@ibm.net wrote:
: uwus...@mcl.ucsb.edu (Frank O Wustner) wrote:
: >
: > Dylan F. Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
: >
: > ...some really wierd stuff about Mickey Mouse being a phalic symbol and
: > Bambi being gay.
: >
: > Now I KNOW that you are a troll. Please go away. You are not
: > contributing anything to these news groups.
: Mr. Nightshit,
: Keep your cool, you might melt! LUOS
I am trying VERY hard not to laugh, because if I do my lungs will burst
out of my chest...
For those people who care, this looser troll called "Luos" is a dimwitted
moron who has followed me here from talk.atheism, because I continually
argue circles around his stupid and fallacious "arguments". He actually
hates me, just because I am never fooled by his lies and stupidity.
Quite an accomplishment, wouldn't you say, getting the _troll_ to hate
the guy that responds to him, rather than vice-versa.
Please feel free to flame him till he's well-done for posting off-topic
crap to rec.arts.anime.*
The Deadly Nightshade
|-----------------------------------|
|"I, too, believe in fate... |
|the fate a man makes for himself." |
|Lord Soth |
|-----------------------------------|
|"Quoth the raven, 'Eat my shorts!'"|
|Edgar Allan Bart |
|-----------------------------------|
|"Ack. Thpppbt." Bill the Cat |
|-----------------------------------|
Frank O Wustner
Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
: }Dylan F. Alexander wrote:
: }> Uh, exactly what have I done that would concern my postmaster? All of my
: }> posts were appropriate to the topics of these groups.
: }
: } Deliberate posting of inflammatory material ("Trolling"), which IS
: }what you were doing, is a violation of netiquette and NOT actually
: }appropriate to the topic of ANY newsgroup (aside from possibly
: }alt.flame). Being a deliberate, studied dickhead is never a good idea.
: Ignoring the fact that I'm simply expressing an honestly held opinion
: for the moment, it still remains to be seen why this is a concern for
: my (or anyone else's) postmaster. Massive crossposting to irrelevant
: groups? Sure. Spam? Without a doubt.
: But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
: find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
Let me make it clear to you. A supreme court justice (I can't remember
which one) once said, "My right to swing my fist ends where your nose
begins." You are intercepting our noses with your fist, Dylan. Aside
from being rude, you are also breaking many rules, both written ones and
understood ones.
Your arrogance and ignorence is much more repugnant than this so-called
"censorship". You really should learn how not to be an asshole.
Dylan Alexander
In article <5ofvt0$9...@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, uwus...@mcl.ucsb.edu (Frank O
Wustner) wrote:
}Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
}: But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
}: find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
}
}Let me make it clear to you. A supreme court justice (I can't remember
}which one) once said, "My right to swing my fist ends where your nose
}begins." You are intercepting our noses with your fist, Dylan.
Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
being. The fault here is clearly your own.
}Aside from being rude, you are also breaking many rules, both written
}ones and understood ones.
Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
breaking.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan Alexander
In article <01bc7f68$8e0bde00$6f28...@neflite.jax-inter.net>, "Berk'
Watkins" <nef...@nospam.jax-inter.net> wrote:
}Dylan Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote in article <dylan-
}
}> Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
}> find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
}> being. The fault here is clearly your own.
}
} Dylan, if you keep on like this you will not like the consequences.
}Think about it, we have your e-mail address.
Are you really so insecure that you'd mailbomb me for what I've said?
Take your best shot, little man. It's 5 seconds time to delete all of
the messages from the mainframe, and I'll spend it laughing, secure
in the knowledge that you've been reduced to such petty displays. Just
be sure you've got an asshole for a postmaster who'll stick up for you,
or disguise your address really well.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Berk' Watkins
Dylan Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote in article <dylan-
> Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
> find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
> being. The fault here is clearly your own.
Dylan, if you keep on like this you will not like the consequences. Think
about it, we have
your e-mail address.
--
Kyle Jewell
Dylan Alexander wrote:
>
> In article <5ofvt0$9...@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, uwus...@mcl.ucsb.edu (Frank O
> Wustner) wrote:
>
> }Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
> }: But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
> }: find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
> }
> }Let me make it clear to you. A supreme court justice (I can't remember
> }which one) once said, "My right to swing my fist ends where your nose
> }begins." You are intercepting our noses with your fist, Dylan.
>
> find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
> being. The fault here is clearly your own.
...Now let me get this right:
You say we're all flawed because we like anime?
You say you're not trolling this newsgroup.
Did I get that right?
So, if your basically stating that everyone reading stuff in the NG is
flawed, and offends you, and that you are just generally disgusted by
our obsession with 'big eyed cartoons'... how can you not be trolling by
openly stating it for everyone to hear?
>
> }Aside from being rude, you are also breaking many rules, both written
> }ones and understood ones.
>
> Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
> breaking.
The rules that are not written are sometimes the most important. It's
called nettiquite, troll-boy. Insulting an entire newsgroup isn't
exactly a healthy thing to do.
Go join your buddies under the bridge before the sun comes out...or you
might get turned to stone (or maybe just have stones thrown at you).
>
> --
> Dylan Alexander
> dy...@tamu.edu
--
K.Jewell
"So boy, stand tall, and embrace the fire of the legend.
Embracing the universe, like a blazing Star!"
-Cruel Angel's Thesis
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Michael Borgwardt
|> Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
|> find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
|> being. The fault here is clearly your own.
Read this as:
"I`m trying very hard to get rid of all qualities that make a human being.
Ignore me. I`m better off rotting silently away under a bridge."
--
Michael "Brazil" Borgwardt / 089-3616887 / borg...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Member of #WASHU# and initiate of the Church of Washu-chan, goddess of
science, humor and everything and Her prophetess Ryoko the Magnificent.
--------------- Let`s shake the dew off this lily, shall we ? ---------------
PsychoKick
> Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
> find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
> being. The fault here is clearly your own.
Frankly, I don't think anyone who takes so much pleasure in trolling as
you seem to is in any position to judge what kind of 'net behavior is "flawed".
--
********PsychoKick********
*Mad Animator in Training*
**************************
Doug Jacobs
Haven't you folks ever been to a zoo? You know the rules...
Do not feed the animals, or troll in this case.
Trolls need attention (posts) to survive. If you ignore the troll,
he'll get hungry and move elsewhere.
Mike Breen
On Sun, 22 Jun 1997 16:02:46 -1200, dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan Alexander)
wrote:
>}Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
>}: But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
>}: find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
Listen Troll-boy, I'll only explain this _once_. This is _not_
censorship we're advocating, so stop hiding behind that copy of the
Constitution. I think you'll find that most, if not all, people here
find censorship itself to be offensive, judging from how much we
complain about the amount of hacking that's done to anime on American
TV (and yes, I bet you've seen anime and haven't even realized it).
And there's a lot of people here that are open to new ideas (dispite
some of the other threads).
What we find repugnant is opinions based on heresay, and outright
lies. For instance, right from *post #1* you open with this:
>Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
>eyes?
Then continue with this gem:
>I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these
>cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and
>masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women.
And close this work of art with:
>I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons
>are viewed as anything more than a bad joke.
And you expect us to have an intelligent conversation with you? How
would you like it if I went over to rec.sport.football.college and
stated "You know, all football fans must be fags because they get
their ya-yah's off watching college guys in tight spandex spanking
eachother in the but every time someone scores." Would that be
welcome there? And if I stated that all of your buds in that NG were
tramping my first ammendment rights when they told me to take my
offensive garbage elsewhere, what then? I highly doubt that hiding
behind the first ammendment would make that kind of deliberate
trolling on your favorite NG either welcome or right, _whatever_ I
thought about college football fans.
However, if you had asked in a civilized fashion "I've heard a lot
about this anime thing, but everything I've is that it's nothing but
chicks with guns. Is this true?" then you would have gotten an
intelligent discussion. But an intelligent discussion isn't what you
want, is it?
>Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
>breaking.
Simple Nettiquette, for one. You _don't_ post offensive comments
about something you _admitedly_ know nothing about to a NG devoted to
it. Getting back to my example, I don't know anything about college
football, and I can't stand it, actually. But I know that a lot of
people like it, and if I honestly _wanted_ to learn about it, I'd ask
politely, not deliberatly try to stir up trouble.
Got it?
Jeb wrote:
>The point is that you make groundless allegations about people's hobbies
>and interests (spicing those allegations with inflammatory comments for
>the hell of it) while the sheer number of postings you have on record
>suggests that you're awfully focused on your particular hobby. A bit
>too focused, it would seem. The pot and the kettle, and all that.
One of Troll-boy's masterpieces was on the skateboarding NG, FWIW. It
was extremely similar in tone and content to the one here.
Dylan Alexander
In article <33b7acf6...@news1.channel1.com>, mi...@user1.NO_SPAM.com
(Mike Breen) wrote:
}And you expect us to have an intelligent conversation with you? How
}would you like it if I went over to rec.sport.football.college and
}stated "You know, all football fans must be fags because they get
}their ya-yah's off watching college guys in tight spandex spanking
}eachother in the but every time someone scores." Would that be
}welcome there?
You'd be a big hit, actually. We try to keep one certifiable loon
to slap around at any one time, and our latest recently lost her
net connection.
}>Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
}>breaking.
}
}Simple Nettiquette, for one. You _don't_ post offensive comments
}about something you _admitedly_ know nothing about to a NG devoted to
}it.
Where is this written, again?
}One of Troll-boy's masterpieces was on the skateboarding NG, FWIW. It
}was extremely similar in tone and content to the one here.
Try rec.arts.marching.band.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray)
In article <dylan-22069...@news.tamu.edu>,
Dylan Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
>Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
>breaking.
Produce THIS, you know-nothing flame-troller!
*plonk*
paradoxymoron
dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan Alexander) wrote:
>In article <5ofvt0$9...@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, uwus...@mcl.ucsb.edu (Frank O
>Wustner) wrote:
>}Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
>}: But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
>}: find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
>}
>}Let me make it clear to you. A supreme court justice (I can't remember
>}which one) once said, "My right to swing my fist ends where your nose
>}begins." You are intercepting our noses with your fist, Dylan.
>Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
>find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
>being. The fault here is clearly your own.
Liking anime does not make a person flawed. In fact, it gives said
person more personality and character.
>}Aside from being rude, you are also breaking many rules, both written
>}ones and understood ones.
>Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
>breaking.
>--
>Dylan Alexander sucks donkey gonads
>dy...@tamu.edu
James R. Leek
>
>Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
>breaking.
>
(http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/alt-sex/movies/part2.html)
states some rules for posing on usenet. These are paraphrased but
they'll do.
When making a request always use "please"
Always know the topic before posting.
Don't make posts that can be taken as insults.
Well there you go Dylan. 3 "written rules" you broke. I'm sure there
were more in there, but I didn't spend that much time reading it. I
know my "Netiquette".
Now that we've proven Dylan to be a flake. We can all ignore
him, and the hungary troll will go troll the surfing newsgroups or
something.
jrleek
Mark Verrey
In article <dylan-20069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu says...>}Dylan Alexander wrote:
>}> In article <33ab9e3d...@news1.channel1.com>,
mi...@user1.NO_SPAM.com
>}> (Mike Breen) wrote:
>}> }Notice that DejaNews came up with over 6,000 hits from him just in
>}> }their *active* database and he calls anime viewing scary? Someone
>}> }that has to get his yah-yah's by constant trolling of pretty much each
>}> }specialized NG shouldn't be condenming anyone else for imagined
>}> }perversity.
>}>
>}> The vast majority of those are legitimate posts (as are those to this
>}> group, of course). I'll grant that the line between normal behavior
>}> and trolling in rec.sport.football.college is often a thin one, though.
>}
>} I'm afraid... we don't believe you.
>}
>} In my heyday I was considered one of the most annoyingly prolific
>}posters on the entire Net -- once made the top 25 posters of Usenet,
>}and unlike all the other 24 I hadn't duplicated a single post, nor
>}uploaded one -- all were typed by hand. I never came CLOSE to 6,000.
>
>Are you really this stupid or is it just an act? What on earth does
>this have to do with the proportion of my posts that are trolls?
>All of my posts are "typed by hand", too. Even if they weren't, what
>does this have to do with the subject at hand?
>
>You'll note that the vast majority of my posts go to two groups,
>with most of the rest concentrated in a few more. A little simple
>research in these groups will reveal that I'm a regular in all
>with an extended time served and much on topic posting.
Except for this one, until recently. Otherwise, you wouldn't have made such
an incredibly tactless, inflammatory, uneducated post as you did. Oh, and
BTW, it is generally considered bad diplomacy to open your relations with an
insult to everyone in the room.
And if you meant it to be funny, it fell on deaf ears, because there are not
many people who would subscribe to a group about anime just to hear the
medium ridiculed.
>
>--
>Dylan Alexander
>dy...@tamu.edu
--
Mark Verrey a.k.a. Elrod a.k.a. Yajirobee
"To the beemobile!"
"You mean your chevy?"
"Yes."
--The Simpsons
mverrey at koa dot iolani dot honolulu dot hi dot us
Mark Verrey
In article <5obpft$i...@lace.colorado.edu>, cant...@rintintin.Colorado.EDU
says...
>
>In article <xxx-180697...@news.tamu.edu>,
>Hi Mr. Crowe! <x...@xxx.edu> wrote:
>>}Right. Sure. And laden with insults and anti-Semitism. Here are some
>>}examples of your filth.
>>
>>Anti-Semitism? When did I ever mention Jews on this newsgroup?
>
> Yes. Read your own posts, dweebie troller.
>
>>Filth? Maybe, but is it _true_? Without some sort of unbiased
investigation,
>>I'm afraid I can't quite let this belief go. Certainly nothing here has
>>been adequate to convince me that any participants in this newsgroup are
>>well adjusted people. Frankly, you frighten me.
>
> We have not yet BEGUN to frighten you, little man... ;]
>
Well-said. I feel no reason to try to make ourselves clear to this person,
since we'd rather he just left. Therefore a good strategy would be to make
him so repulsed that he never bothers us again. As for him telling his
friends, I doubt someone such as him would be taken seriously anywhere. He
seems to have made such a reputation for himself that he is quite harmless.
All he has done here is to unite us towards a common cause.
>
> -Ben
>--
> "BGC: Because some of us believe women over 14 are still sexy."
>=--------- http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~cantrick/home.html
-------------=
>*Ben Cantrick, diehard BGC otaku and Priss fan. ---> THE BGC DUBS SUCK!
<---*
>*Mac? Ha. "When I want to spend 50% of my time fighting an OS, I'll use
VMS."*
--
Mark Verrey
In article <dylan-22069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu says...
>
>In article <5ofvt0$9...@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, uwus...@mcl.ucsb.edu (Frank O
>Wustner) wrote:
>
>}Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
>}: But frankly I find your apparent support for censorship of ideas you
>}: find repugnant rather offensive, if not downright scary.
>}
>}Let me make it clear to you. A supreme court justice (I can't remember
>}which one) once said, "My right to swing my fist ends where your nose
>}begins." You are intercepting our noses with your fist, Dylan.
>
>Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
>find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
>being. The fault here is clearly your own.
Everyone has flaws. You have more than most. I would not list enjoying
anime as a flaw. Why? Because it is a medium, not a genre.
An analogy is in order:
Compare anime to a pitcher of water. What many people, yourself included,
criticize is the message, the water in the pitcher. But you cannot confuse
the water in the pitcher with the pitcher itself. If the water is poisoned,
it is not because the pitcher is faulty (unless it's a lead pitcher), but
because the water is bad. Likewise, you cannot criticize the medium for the
message it brings. Japanese animation is not a message. It is a medium, and
just because there is some that you find stupid, offensive, or whatever you
don't like about it, doesn't mean that that represents all of anime. That
would be like saying that all water that ever comes out of the aforementioned
pitcher of water is poisoned. i.e. your reasoning is majorly flawed.
For a better illustration of the "pitcher" metaphor that I tried to use, read
Scott McCloud's "Understanding Comics," available from Kitchen Sink Press and
Random House Publishing.
>
>}Aside from being rude, you are also breaking many rules, both written
>}ones and understood ones.
>
>Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
>breaking.
On Usenet, there are is no rule that says you have to be a good, tolerant
human being that doesn't lie their pants off in order to make people mad,
post worthless spam intended to make people mad, or that your arguments have
to make sense, or that you can't assume that you are not the flawed
individual.
However, on most mailing lists, there are written rules in the charters
saying that "all excessively-off-topic or deliberately inflammatory messages
will be bounced." To tell the truth, many people have been temporarily
banned from the internet for much less. I remember a few weeks ago that we
managed to get somebody kicked off of their ISP for trolling of a much lesser
degree. You would be a relatively easy target, since you have obviously
offended so many more people.Ooh, you have a .edu address! All the better.
Academic institutions hate such anti-academic behavior as you have exhibited.
You see, in order to be accepted into society, internet society included, you
have to be a much better person than you are. Note that I say "better
person." Not "better thinker" or "more compassionate individual," but
"better person." That is because as of now, I declare you to be an inferior
being, Dylan Alexander. How's it feel to be the "faulted one?" How's it
feel to know that most everybody I know, from all walks of life, would agree
with me? Some would say that I have committed the unforgivable sin by
writing this post. Well, Dylan Alexander, I'm an agnostic.
>
>--
>Dylan Alexander
>dy...@tamu.edu
Mark Verrey
In article <33aed...@news.tsoft.net>, dja...@tsoft.net says...
Demographic probability would dictate that it is impossible to starve a troll
on a newsgroup of this size. There's always going to be _someone_ that ruins
it and takes the bait. So the other alternative is to scare the person off
and hope they never return. I am trying to do so by two methods: one, turn
the tides, and two, put the fear of G-d into his heart by threatening to get
him banned (at least temporarily) from the internet. I think I've got enough
evidence here.
Mike Breen
Troll-boy wrote:
>You'd be a big hit, actually. We try to keep one certifiable loon
>to slap around at any one time, and our latest recently lost her
>net connection.
So does this mean your a certifiable loon who wants to be slapped
around on this NG? Hmmm... what does _this_ say, Spud?
I find it _extremely_ funny that you don't address any of my other
issues, like how you expected an intelligent conversation after
calling everyone here social deviants, and why you didn't simply
_ask_, in a civilized fashion, what anime is. Before accusing all of
_us_ of deviant social behavior, look at yourself, and apply your *own
words* to your, ahem, hobby:
>I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal
>habits [in your case, a sick need to troll all over the internet]
>tend to treat any criticism of those deviant habits as a
>deliberate attempt to 'stir up' trouble.
You know the old saying about people in glass houses, Spud.
Oh, and by the way, would you accuse the *entire population of Japan*
of sexually deviant social behavior because pretty much the entire
population watches "silly cartoons" that are broadcast *on prime time
television*? Would you accuse the extremely large segment of the
population of the United States of sexually deviant social behavior
because they watch "The Simpsons" or "King of the Hill?" FYI, Spud,
it's only in America that animation has the stigma of
kiddie-fare/druggie/hipper-than-thou college student fare attached to
it. Most of the rest of the world views animation as just one more
mainstream entertainment medium. So if most of the population of the
world treats animation as an intelligent vehicle for storytelling and
you don't, who's the _real_ deviant, Spud?
>}>Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
>}>breaking.
>}
>}Simple Nettiquette, for one. You _don't_ post offensive comments
>}about something you _admitedly_ know nothing about to a NG devoted to
>}it.
>
>Where is this written, again?
All over the internet, Spud. There's a _great_ resource that you may
have heard of, it's called "Yahoo." Since you probably have never
used it, judging from your lack of anything resembeling a clue, the
URL is http://www.yahoo.com Then do a search on "Netiquette." You'll
find what you're looking for there, but _I'm_ sure as hell not gonna
hold your slimy hand and do it _for_ you.
Not to mention the fact that I've been on the 'net for almost ten
years now and it's both an unspoken _and_ spoken rule that deliberatly
inticing flames is just _not_ done. Would you go into a meeting of
the NAACP in a KKK outfit? No, don't answer that, I strongly suspect
that you would.
In any case, I'm done with you, Spud. Welcome to my killfile.
Dylan Alexander
In article <33af9...@news.flex.com>, mverrey@toomuchspam (Mark Verrey) wrote:
}In article <5obpft$i...@lace.colorado.edu>, cant...@rintintin.Colorado.EDU
}says...
}> We have not yet BEGUN to frighten you, little man... ;]
}
}Well-said. I feel no reason to try to make ourselves clear to this person,
}since we'd rather he just left. Therefore a good strategy would be to make
}him so repulsed that he never bothers us again.
This is...unlikely.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan Alexander
In article <33afa...@news.flex.com>, mverrey@toomuchspam (Mark Verrey) wrote:
}In article <dylan-22069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu says...
}>Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
}>find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
}>being. The fault here is clearly your own.
}
}Everyone has flaws. You have more than most. I would not list enjoying
}anime as a flaw. Why? Because it is a medium, not a genre.
}
}An analogy is in order:
}
}Compare anime to a pitcher of water. What many people, yourself included,
}criticize is the message, the water in the pitcher. But you cannot confuse
}the water in the pitcher with the pitcher itself. If the water is poisoned,
}it is not because the pitcher is faulty (unless it's a lead pitcher), but
}because the water is bad. Likewise, you cannot criticize the medium for the
}message it brings. Japanese animation is not a message. It is a medium, and
}just because there is some that you find stupid, offensive, or whatever you
}don't like about it, doesn't mean that that represents all of anime. That
}would be like saying that all water that ever comes out of the aforementioned
}pitcher of water is poisoned. i.e. your reasoning is majorly flawed.
When all of the content on a given medium is complete trash I have
no real problem saying the medium itself is at fault as a form of
verbal shorthand.
}>Feel free to produce one of these written rules that you feel I'm
}>breaking.
}
}On Usenet, there are is no rule that says you have to be a good, tolerant
}human being that doesn't lie their pants off in order to make people mad,
}post worthless spam intended to make people mad, or that your arguments have
}to make sense, or that you can't assume that you are not the flawed
}individual.
I fail to see how such a rule would apply to me in any case.
}However, on most mailing lists, there are written rules in the charters
}saying that "all excessively-off-topic or deliberately inflammatory messages
}will be bounced."
Again, how does this apply? My posts certainly aren't off-topic, and if
they're inflammatory I can assure you they are not _deliberately_ so.
}To tell the truth, many people have been temporarily
}banned from the internet for much less. I remember a few weeks ago that we
}managed to get somebody kicked off of their ISP for trolling of a much lesser
}degree. You would be a relatively easy target, since you have obviously
}offended so many more people.Ooh, you have a .edu address! All the better.
}Academic institutions hate such anti-academic behavior as you have exhibited.
<yawn> I keep hearing this and I've yet to see a complaint from our
computer security guy who handles this stuff. The only time I _have_
heard from him was when I unecessarily crossposted stuff into a group
that I was annoyed with. I assume that as long as I'm on-topic, he
doesn't care what I post.
}You see, in order to be accepted into society, internet society included, you
}have to be a much better person than you are.
This makes two assumptions that may or may not be true:
1) I'm not already "accepted" into society (whatever that means), and
2) I _want_ to be "accepted" into society.
}Note that I say "better person." Not "better thinker" or "more
}compassionate individual," but "better person."
Are not one's capacity for thought and level of compassion parts
of what make them a better person?
}That is because as of now, I declare you to be an inferior
}being, Dylan Alexander. How's it feel to be the "faulted one?"
Coming from an admitted cartoon fan, this doesn't distress me
greatly.
}How's it feel to know that most everybody I know, from all walks
}of life, would agree with me?
Considering how worthless I consider the vast majority of people,
this doesn't bother me very much. Indeed, I greatly pity anyone
who considers the opinions of the masses of any import whatsoever.
Some would say that I have committed the unforgivable sin by
}writing this post.
What sin would that be? Stupidity?
}Well, Dylan Alexander, I'm an agnostic.
Not everyone can be wrong about everything, I guess.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan Alexander
In article <33afa...@news.flex.com>, mverrey@toomuchspam (Mark Verrey) wrote:
}Demographic probability would dictate that it is impossible to starve a troll
}on a newsgroup of this size. There's always going to be _someone_ that ruins
}it and takes the bait. So the other alternative is to scare the person off
}and hope they never return. I am trying to do so by two methods: one, turn
}the tides, and two, put the fear of G-d into his heart by threatening to get
}him banned (at least temporarily) from the internet. I think I've got enough
}evidence here.
Yawn.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Neil S. Cumbie
In article <dylan-22069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan Alexander) writes:
>In article <5ofvt0$9...@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, uwus...@mcl.ucsb.edu (Frank O
>Wustner) wrote:
>}Let me make it clear to you. A supreme court justice (I can't remember
>}which one) once said, "My right to swing my fist ends where your nose
>}begins." You are intercepting our noses with your fist, Dylan.
>
>find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
>being. The fault here is clearly your own.
>Dylan Alexander
>dy...@tamu.edu
You are expressing an opinion, but do you not agree that it is an
anime fan's OPINION that anime is an interesting/quality/enjoyable/
form of entertainment? When you say that someone who enjoys anime is
"flawed", you are no better than the people here on this newsgroup who have
responded to your "opinion" so negatively. I mean, don't you see how much
of a hipocrit you are to say, "you like anime and thus are flawed", then say you
don't like anime and it's alright because it's your opinion. Whose opinion am I
suppose to honor?
I have three questions for you:
1) Am I (and every other anime fan here) entitled to my opinion?
2) Did you post to this newsgroup with the intent of offending people?
3) Just how much anime have you seen? See, I usually don't even form an
opinion about something that I know nothing about. Though you can make an
opinion about Disney films by watching one of them, you can't make an informed
opinion about anime after watching one of them. I'm basically saying that if you don't
know shit about anime, I don't give a shit about your opinion.
Neil Cumbie
cum...@eng.auburn.edu
Michael Borgwardt
In article <dylan-24069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu (Dylan Alexander) writes:
|> In article <33afa...@news.flex.com>, mverrey@toomuchspam (Mark Verrey) wrote:
|>
|> }In article <dylan-22069...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu says...
|> }>Nonsense, I'm not "hitting" you. I'm expressing an opinion that you
|> }>find offensive because you're a flawed (i.e. enjoy "anime") human
|> }>being. The fault here is clearly your own.
|> }
|> }Everyone has flaws. You have more than most. I would not list enjoying
|> }anime as a flaw. Why? Because it is a medium, not a genre.
|> }
|> }An analogy is in order:
|> }
|> }Compare anime to a pitcher of water. What many people, yourself included,
|> }criticize is the message, the water in the pitcher. But you cannot confuse
|> }the water in the pitcher with the pitcher itself. If the water is poisoned,
|> }it is not because the pitcher is faulty (unless it's a lead pitcher), but
|> }because the water is bad. Likewise, you cannot criticize the medium for the
|> }message it brings. Japanese animation is not a message. It is a medium, and
|> }just because there is some that you find stupid, offensive, or whatever you
|> }don't like about it, doesn't mean that that represents all of anime. That
|> }would be like saying that all water that ever comes out of the aforementioned
|> }pitcher of water is poisoned. i.e. your reasoning is majorly flawed.
|>
|> When all of the content on a given medium is complete trash I have
|> no real problem saying the medium itself is at fault as a form of
|> verbal shorthand.
When all of the postings of a given person are complete trash I have no real
problem saying the person himself is an idiotic asshole.
Michael Borgwardt
I say, let troll-boy stay here as long as he wants. I mean he`s providing a
certain amount of amusement, isn`t he?
Plus, he`s a good example for the old wisdom that you can (and usually will)
meet all sorts on the net...
Dylan Alexander
In article <33AFF4...@nospam.worldnet.att.net>, Jeb Hoge
<EIE...@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
}Dylan Alexander wrote:
}> }On Usenet, there are is no rule that says you have to be a good, tolerant
}> }human being that doesn't lie their pants off in order to make people mad,
}> }post worthless spam intended to make people mad, or that your arguments have
}> }to make sense, or that you can't assume that you are not the flawed
}> }individual.
}>
}> I fail to see how such a rule would apply to me in any case.
}
}Probably in the same way that the laws against disturbing the peace or
}assault do. You don't have to physically impose yourself on anyone to
}be considered acting unlawfully.
Let me be more explicit for those as dim as you appear to be:
I haven't "lied my pants off in order to make people mad," I have not
"post[ed] worthless spam," my arguments make plenty of sense, and I'm
certainly "not the flawed individual."
Ergo, I fail to see how such a rule would apply in my case.
}> Again, how does this apply? My posts certainly aren't off-topic, and if
}> they're inflammatory I can assure you they are not _deliberately_ so.
}
}You're backpedaling. You've already stated in previous posts that you
}make such inflammatory statements intentionally.
I'm afraid I don't recall making any such statement.
}> <yawn> I keep hearing this and I've yet to see a complaint from our
}> computer security guy who handles this stuff. The only time I _have_
}> heard from him was when I unecessarily crossposted stuff into a group
}> that I was annoyed with. I assume that as long as I'm on-topic, he
}> doesn't care what I post.
}
}That's a false sense of security if I've ever seen one.
That's an inablity to deal with reality if I've ever seen one.
}> }That is because as of now, I declare you to be an inferior
}> }being, Dylan Alexander. How's it feel to be the "faulted one?"
}>
}> Coming from an admitted cartoon fan, this doesn't distress me
}> greatly.
}
}Coming from an admitted spammer, we're not surprised. In fact, I'm
}starting to wonder why you haven't left in search of fresh NGs to feed
}on.
You show a shocking misunderstanding of the definition of "spam." Not
even the most liberal interpretation would qualify any of my posts
as such.
}> }How's it feel to know that most everybody I know, from all walks
}> }of life, would agree with me?
}>
}> Considering how worthless I consider the vast majority of people,
}> this doesn't bother me very much. Indeed, I greatly pity anyone
}> who considers the opinions of the masses of any import whatsoever.
}
}And yet, you charge out into Usenet trying to elicit people's opinions
}on your behavior.
When have I asked for opinions on _my_ behavior? I asked for justification
for _your_ behavior (i.e. enjoying Japanese cartoons).
}It's obvious that this is the root cause of your spamming.
Again, it is not spamming, it's quite on topic.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan Alexander
In article <33b1e934...@news1.channel1.com>, mi...@user1.NO_SPAM.com
(Mike Breen) wrote:
}I find it _extremely_ funny that you don't address any of my other
}issues, like how you expected an intelligent conversation after
}calling everyone here social deviants, and why you didn't simply
}_ask_, in a civilized fashion, what anime is.
I'm not interested in an intelligent conversation. It's becoming
more and more obvious with each exchange that a prerequisite for
enjoying anime is an inferior intellect. So reasonable discussion
is out, leaving me with the direct approach. Crude, I admit, but
effective.
}Before accusing all of _us_ of deviant social behavior, look at
}yourself, and apply your *own words* to your, ahem, hobby:
}
}>I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal
}>habits [in your case, a sick need to troll all over the internet]
}>tend to treat any criticism of those deviant habits as a
}>deliberate attempt to 'stir up' trouble.
}
}You know the old saying about people in glass houses, Spud.
I'm a potato?
And this is a rather silly point to raise, in all honesty. I
pointed out that you're a bunch of deviants. Now I admit it's
probably fun to write this slightly more upscale version of
"it takes one to know one" but I'd hope you could provide some
proof to go with this.
}Oh, and by the way, would you accuse the *entire population of Japan*
}of sexually deviant social behavior because pretty much the entire
}population watches "silly cartoons" that are broadcast *on prime time
}television*?
That's only one of the reasons I'd accuse the entire population of
Japan of sexually deviant behavior.
}Would you accuse the extremely large segment of the
}population of the United States of sexually deviant social behavior
}because they watch "The Simpsons" or "King of the Hill?"
No. Watching this sort of stuff is necessary but not sufficient.
}FYI, Spud,
I still don't grasp in what way I resemble a potato.
}it's only in America that animation has the stigma of
}kiddie-fare/druggie/hipper-than-thou college student fare attached to
}it.
Give the fact that America is by far the cultural and moral leader of
the world, it's only appropriate that our views be imposed on other
nations. If the Japanese don't like it, we'll nuke them again.
}Most of the rest of the world views animation as just one more
}mainstream entertainment medium. So if most of the population of the
}world treats animation as an intelligent vehicle for storytelling and
}you don't, who's the _real_ deviant, Spud?
Alright, perhaps "deviant" isn't the proper word. "Stupid", "sick",
and "twisted" still apply, however.
}>Where is this written, again?
}
}All over the internet, Spud.
You know, Mom always did say when I was a child you could grow a
potato in my ears.
}There's a _great_ resource that you may
}have heard of, it's called "Yahoo." Since you probably have never
}used it, judging from your lack of anything resembeling a clue, the
}URL is http://www.yahoo.com
I'll have you know that I'm quite familiar with yahoos. Look at the
university I attend.
}Then do a search on "Netiquette." You'll
}find what you're looking for there, but _I'm_ sure as hell not gonna
}hold your slimy hand and do it _for_ you.
Exactly what official body with recognized legislative power wrote
these rules of netiquette? And I have yet to see any proof that my
behavior in this group violates these supposed "rules" in any case.
}Not to mention the fact that I've been on the 'net for almost ten
}years now and it's both an unspoken _and_ spoken rule that deliberatly
}inticing flames is just _not_ done.
You don't hang out in the right groups. The whole net isn't misc.kids.
}In any case, I'm done with you, Spud. Welcome to my killfile.
Well, have an email copy then.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan Alexander
}I have three questions for you:
}1) Am I (and every other anime fan here) entitled to my opinion?
Sure. But I feel entitled to mock you and treat you like the subhuman
you are.
}2) Did you post to this newsgroup with the intent of offending people?
No, I posted to this newsgroup with the intent of learning what it is
that makes people enjoy these silly cartoons. I did recognize that
offending people was a likely outcome, but hardly my motivation.
}3) Just how much anime have you seen?
Very little. That was rather the point of my first post, to give my
first impressions and ask for input. Sadly, the hostile responses have
only reinforced my belief that only sick, twisted people watch this
filth.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
James R. Leek
>I'm not interested in an intelligent conversation. It's becoming
>more and more obvious with each exchange that a prerequisite for
>enjoying anime is an inferior intellect. So reasonable discussion
>is out, leaving me with the direct approach. Crude, I admit, but
>effective.
What exactly IS your purpose? You say you're using the "direct"
approach. That suggests there's a point to these random insults. Mind
enlighting me?
>}You know the old saying about people in glass houses, Spud.
>I'm a potato?
The "spud" statement was obviously a false compliment to your
intelligence. He thought your mind might become more open if you thought
we rated your opinions as high as we do that of a potato. Apparently it
didn't work, it was a nice try tho'.
>}Oh, and by the way, would you accuse the *entire population of Japan*
>}of sexually deviant social behavior because pretty much the entire
>}population watches "silly cartoons" that are broadcast *on prime time
>}television*?
>That's only one of the reasons I'd accuse the entire population of
>Japan of sexually deviant behavior.
So you're a racist? Funny thing for an "American" to say, seeing
as how our countys culture is a supposed to be based on open minds, and
acceptance. I Thought racism was considered pretty un-intellectual.
Considering you accuse us of being uncapable of intelligent conversaion
this points out a little problem on your end.
>}it's only in America that animation has the stigma of
>}kiddie-fare/druggie/hipper-than-thou college student fare attached to
>}it.
>Give the fact that America is by far the cultural and moral leader of
>the world, it's only appropriate that our views be imposed on other
>nations. If the Japanese don't like it, we'll nuke them again.
Culture and morals are just socially set rules, and since this is
one of your main arguments, I can take it as given that you are in favor
of socially set rules. Netiquette is a set od socially set internet
rules that all "citizens" are obliged to follow. They are written down in
a number of diffrent places, but the source I choose is a file called
"Netiquette for Newbies" that can be found at:
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/alt-sex/movies/part2.html
According to that file, there are three rules you broke on your
first message:
1. Always use "please" and "thanks" when making a request.
2. Never make a post that can be taken as insulting. (Note that
in a recent post you stated that you knew offece could be taken from your
first post.)
3. Always know the topic BEFORE POSTING.
You don't even need to tell us how intelligent you are, you proved it by
not doing any research in either the Netiquette field or the anime field.
>}Most of the rest of the world views animation as just one more
>}mainstream entertainment medium. So if most of the population of the
>}world treats animation as an intelligent vehicle for storytelling and
>}you don't, who's the _real_ deviant, Spud?
>Alright, perhaps "deviant" isn't the proper word. "Stupid", "sick",
>and "twisted" still apply, however.
Well, sick, twisted, and stupid all apply to actions that are
OUTSIDE to norm. Since you admitted to animation being inside the norm,
that means NONE of those word apply to us. However they do apply to
Trolls who break Netiquette rules.
>Exactly what official body with recognized legislative power wrote
>these rules of netiquette? And I have yet to see any proof that my
>behavior in this group violates these supposed "rules" in any case.
You said yourself when you put American as the head of cultural
and moral rules. Those rules are set by Society, no legislature is
involed. Since you find anime offensive to your American social rules, it
follows that you should obey the internet social rules. ie Netiquette.
>}Not to mention the fact that I've been on the 'net for almost ten
>}years now and it's both an unspoken _and_ spoken rule that deliberatly
>}inticing flames is just _not_ done.
>You don't hang out in the right groups. The whole net isn't misc.kids.
You're right. In most cases we don't have to point out the rules
of Netiquette. Only in the case of people with no social sense. ie you.
jrleek
Dylan Alexander
In article <5opdsb$j...@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
jrl...@ecst.csuchico.edu (James R. Leek) wrote:
}>}Oh, and by the way, would you accuse the *entire population of Japan*
}>}of sexually deviant social behavior because pretty much the entire
}>}population watches "silly cartoons" that are broadcast *on prime time
}>}television*?
}
}>That's only one of the reasons I'd accuse the entire population of
}>Japan of sexually deviant behavior.
}
} So you're a racist?
Since when is Japan a race? If you replace Japan with France am I
still a racist?
}>Give the fact that America is by far the cultural and moral leader of
}>the world, it's only appropriate that our views be imposed on other
}>nations. If the Japanese don't like it, we'll nuke them again.
}
} Culture and morals are just socially set rules, and since this is
}one of your main arguments, I can take it as given that you are in favor
}of socially set rules. Netiquette is a set od socially set internet
}rules that all "citizens" are obliged to follow.
This simply isn't true. Significant portions of Usenet ignore these
guidlines (I won't call them rules), enought that their legitimacy
anywhere is seriously in doubt.
}>}Most of the rest of the world views animation as just one more
}>}mainstream entertainment medium. So if most of the population of the
}>}world treats animation as an intelligent vehicle for storytelling and
}>}you don't, who's the _real_ deviant, Spud?
}>Alright, perhaps "deviant" isn't the proper word. "Stupid", "sick",
}>and "twisted" still apply, however.
}
} Well, sick, twisted, and stupid all apply to actions that are
}OUTSIDE to norm.
Hardly, they're in the eye of the beholder.
}Since you admitted to animation being inside the norm,
}that means NONE of those word apply to us.
When did I admit watching cartoons falls within the norm?
}>Exactly what official body with recognized legislative power wrote
}>these rules of netiquette? And I have yet to see any proof that my
}>behavior in this group violates these supposed "rules" in any case.
}
} You said yourself when you put American as the head of cultural
}and moral rules. Those rules are set by Society, no legislature is
}involed. Since you find anime offensive to your American social rules, it
}follows that you should obey the internet social rules. ie Netiquette.
Netiquette is not nearly as widely accepted as other social rules.
And for the last time, I didn't break any of these rules in any
case.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
James Andrew Welsh
Dylan Alexander (dy...@tamu.edu) wrote:
: In article <33af9...@news.flex.com>, mverrey@toomuchspam (Mark Verrey) wrote:
: }In article <5obpft$i...@lace.colorado.edu>, cant...@rintintin.Colorado.EDU
: }says...
: }> We have not yet BEGUN to frighten you, little man... ;]
: }
: }Well-said. I feel no reason to try to make ourselves clear to this person,
: }since we'd rather he just left. Therefore a good strategy would be to make
: }him so repulsed that he never bothers us again.
: This is...unlikely.
I skipped this thread a thousand times, thinking "It can't really be
Dylan". Yet, it is. Hey Dylan, having fun?
And just for your enlightenment, people like anime for the same reasons
why people like The Tick, Disney films, The X-Files, or just about
anything else. Because something in the genre (or show, or whatever)
catches their attention and strikes their fancy. Personally, I just like
the idea of a "boy meets girl, boy likes girl, boy nukes girl and rest of
the Asian continent before anything can happen between them, story ends"
kind of story.
See ya in rasfwrj.
--
JAW
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1482/
"Sanity is a slippery slope, and I'm wearing Teflon shoes."
Addison Godel
Dylan Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote in article
<dylan-24069...@news.tamu.edu>...
> This simply isn't true. Significant portions of Usenet ignore these
> guidlines (I won't call them rules), enought that their legitimacy
> anywhere is seriously in doubt.
Bullshit.
> } Well, sick, twisted, and stupid all apply to actions that are
> }OUTSIDE to norm.
>
> Hardly, they're in the eye of the beholder.
Bullshit..
> Netiquette is not nearly as widely accepted as other social rules.
Bullshit.
> And for the last time, I didn't break any of these rules in any
> case.
Bullshit.
Dylan, would you mind, say, going away? If you consider us all to be
"social deviants" or whatever imbecilic term you fell into, why exactly are
you hanging around? If you wish, as you've implied, to gain information
about the aims of us here deviants, then why have you posed your questions
in insulting and vicious ways which would never encourage useful responses
from anyone (deviant or no)? If you have nothing to contribute, don't
waste your time not contributing it. We'd all be happier.
---Addison
Kyle Jewell
Dylan Alexander wrote:
> I haven't "lied my pants off in order to make people mad," I have not
> "post[ed] worthless spam," my arguments make plenty of sense, and I'm
> certainly "not the flawed individual."
>
> Ergo, I fail to see how such a rule would apply in my case.
>
> }> Again, how does this apply? My posts certainly aren't off-topic, and if
> }> they're inflammatory I can assure you they are not _deliberately_ so.
Hmmm let's look at your last post in response to the pitcher metaphor:
"When all of the content on a given medium is complete trash I have
no real problem saying the medium itself is at fault as a form of
verbal shorthand."
Your on a newsgroup about anime (see that at the top? it says this is
from rec.arts.anime.misc.) You've just said that all anime is complete
trash. hmm, is this inflamatory?
> }
> }You're backpedaling. You've already stated in previous posts that you
> }make such inflammatory statements intentionally.
>
> I'm afraid I don't recall making any such statement.
let's see, you claimed that anime was a result of some sort of Berkley
crack-addict (or something retarded along those lines) , and then said
that everyone who watches anime are nerds and sit in the dark and
masterbate infront of the television while watching the stuff.
>
> }> <yawn> I keep hearing this and I've yet to see a complaint from our
> }> computer security guy who handles this stuff. The only time I _have_
> }> heard from him was when I unecessarily crossposted stuff into a group
> }> that I was annoyed with. I assume that as long as I'm on-topic, he
> }> doesn't care what I post.
> }
> }That's a false sense of security if I've ever seen one.
>
> That's an inablity to deal with reality if I've ever seen one.
An inability to deal with reality leads to human excriment like you
sitting on the computer wanking yourself off as you troll newsgroups.
>
> }> }That is because as of now, I declare you to be an inferior
> }> }being, Dylan Alexander. How's it feel to be the "faulted one?"
> }>
> }> Coming from an admitted cartoon fan, this doesn't distress me
> }> greatly.
> }
Coming from someone who has been declared a troll, no one really cares.
(but it is fun to watch your pathetic attempts at defending yourself)
> }Coming from an admitted spammer, we're not surprised. In fact, I'm
> }starting to wonder why you haven't left in search of fresh NGs to feed
> }on.
> --
> Dylan Alexander
> dy...@tamu.edu
--
"So boy, stand tall, and embrace the fire of the legend.
Embracing the universe, like a blazing Star!"
-Cruel Angel's Thesis
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Chandra Holeman
I have been reading this discussion with much amusement.
If I were to venture a guess Mr. Dylan Alexander probably watches Anime
and reads Manga and possibly Shojo comics. I would even wager money
that he enjoys them.
So why the comments, you ask.
At a guess, because I do not know the individual, I would say Mr.
Alexander suffers from a problem with maturity. His comments are
obviously an attempt to gain attention and possibly recognition. The
fact the recognition is for being annoying is of no import. It is
attention and that is what he requires.
The behaviour is identical to a small infant that throws his pacifier on
the floor and then complains. When people give him the pacifier back,
he throws it on the floor again. It is a game.
Mr. Alexander has never matured (at least in this area of his
personality) beyond that small child. I would say that his parents
probably tended to ignore him. He also probably has few if any friends
that he feels comfortable with. So we are his surrogate parents that he
is crying to for attention.
Mr. Alexander is to be pitied, not abused and called a troll. As you
would not beat up a person with cerebal palsy so you should reframe from
attacking an emotional and social cripple.
Comments directly to Mr. Alexander:
1. I assume you are above the age of 5 or 6. If you are not you are
just a ignorant spoiled brat, and your parents are perfectly right to
keep the more serious anime/manga out of your hands.
2. I assume you masturbate. If you do not, you are too young to know
what the word means. Ditto comment from above on why you have never
seen serious/adult anime/manga.
3. In the purest since as I understand it (if I am wrong someone please
correct me), the "comics and cartoons" that you are describing with the
big eyes are not manga, rather they are Shojo. Manga is men's
literature. I deals almost exclusively with action and/or politics.
Examples of manga are: Crying Freeman, Akira, Sanctuary, Ghost in the
Shell, Appleseed and probably Fist of North Star, Robotech, and
Bubblegum Crisis. Shojo is for females and typically deals more with
interpersonal relationships especially love. Shojo may have violence
but that is not the point of the literature. Examples of shojo are
Maisson Ikkoku, Ranma 1/2, and Ah My Goddess. Typically in manga there
is much more detailed and concrete in the artwork, whereas shojo tends
to be more flowing, suggesting the scene and letting your imagination
complete it.
4. As for myself the reason I read manga/shojo and watch anime is
because I am old enough that I have seen every plot that apparently
American authors are capable of and every scene Hollywood/television can
produce. All they are for me is reruns now with occasionally a change
in actor/actress and costume. When the rare new story/movie comes out
it is immediately repeated by all the studios for years. Secondly the
story is more important in manga/shojo than the scenery. WOW!!! A
story meant to stand on its own and be enjoyed without 100,000,000
dollars in special effects that ADD NOTHING to the story.
5. This final paragraph assumes (yes I know) that you really are
ignorant (if borish and infantile) and really would like to know
something about what you are talking about. I would like to recommend a
few "cartoons" for your viewing. These are both anime/non-anime.
By Ralph Bakshi - Fire and Ice
The Lord of the Rings
Fritz the Cat
Hey Good Lookin (only so-so in my opinion)
I Don't Know - Crying Freeman
Rene Laloux - Light Years
Dr. I. Asimov
Anthology - Heavy Metal
Masamune Shirow - Appleseed
Ghost in the Shell
Katsuhiro Otomo - Akira (Extreme Violence)
Mishima Yukio - The Sound of Waves
For assisting with your masturbation, I recommend:
Twin Dolls 1 or 2
La Blue Girl 1-???
Adventure Kid 1-??
F3 (Frantic, Frustrated, and Female ???) 1-3
or any of several other titles regularly advertised in Heavy Metal
magazine.
And if you want some pure escapist entertainment:
Orguss
Speed Racer
Ah, My Goddess
Ranma 1/2
Dylan Alexander
In article <01bc80f7$504c8200$863d...@agodel.avana.net>, "Addison Godel"
<ago...@avana.net> wrote:
}Dylan Alexander <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote in article
}<dylan-24069...@news.tamu.edu>...
}
}> This simply isn't true. Significant portions of Usenet ignore these
}> guidlines (I won't call them rules), enought that their legitimacy
}> anywhere is seriously in doubt.
}
}Bullshit.
}
}> } Well, sick, twisted, and stupid all apply to actions that are
}> }OUTSIDE to norm.
}>
}> Hardly, they're in the eye of the beholder.
}
}Bullshit..
}
}> Netiquette is not nearly as widely accepted as other social rules.
}
}Bullshit.
}
}> And for the last time, I didn't break any of these rules in any
}> case.
}
}Bullshit.
I see.
}Dylan, would you mind, say, going away?
I would.
}If you consider us all to be "social deviants" or whatever imbecilic
}term you fell into, why exactly are you hanging around?
I'm trying to better understand you so that I can help cure you.
}If you wish, as you've implied, to gain information about the aims
}of us here deviants, then why have you posed your questions in insulting
}and vicious ways which would never encourage useful responses from anyone
}(deviant or no)?
Because I'm not willing to sacrifice the truth, however noxious it may
be, simply to get some information. I could have swallowed my digust
at this debased art form and asked my question in more neutral language,
but that would be rather unprincipled. I'm sure you respect me for this
now that I've explained.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan Alexander
In article <5opn0n$6...@news.inforamp.net>, Kyle Jewell
<jew...@inforamp.net> wrote:
}Dylan Alexander wrote:
}> I haven't "lied my pants off in order to make people mad," I have not
}> "post[ed] worthless spam," my arguments make plenty of sense, and I'm
}> certainly "not the flawed individual."
}>
}> Ergo, I fail to see how such a rule would apply in my case.
}>
}> }> Again, how does this apply? My posts certainly aren't off-topic, and if
}> }> they're inflammatory I can assure you they are not _deliberately_ so.
}
}Hmmm let's look at your last post in response to the pitcher metaphor:
}
} "When all of the content on a given medium is complete trash I have
} no real problem saying the medium itself is at fault as a form of
} verbal shorthand."
}
}Your on a newsgroup about anime (see that at the top? it says this is
}from rec.arts.anime.misc.) You've just said that all anime is complete
}trash. hmm, is this inflamatory?
Not really. Is it inflammatory to say "the Nazis were racist murders"?
Of course not. An unpleasant but obvious truth can't really be considered
inflammatory.
}> }You're backpedaling. You've already stated in previous posts that you
}> }make such inflammatory statements intentionally.
}>
}> I'm afraid I don't recall making any such statement.
}
}let's see, you claimed that anime was a result of some sort of Berkley
}crack-addict (or something retarded along those lines) , and then said
}that everyone who watches anime are nerds and sit in the dark and
}masterbate infront of the television while watching the stuff.
Again, this is quite obviously true. I can be blamed for people who
get upset when obvious facts are rubbed under their noses.
}> }> <yawn> I keep hearing this and I've yet to see a complaint from our
}> }> computer security guy who handles this stuff. The only time I _have_
}> }> heard from him was when I unecessarily crossposted stuff into a group
}> }> that I was annoyed with. I assume that as long as I'm on-topic, he
}> }> doesn't care what I post.
}> }
}> }That's a false sense of security if I've ever seen one.
}>
}> That's an inablity to deal with reality if I've ever seen one.
}
}An inability to deal with reality leads to human excriment like you
}sitting on the computer wanking yourself off as you troll newsgroups.
I never wank while using my computer. Dr. Pepper is hard enough to
get off the keys.
}> }> }That is because as of now, I declare you to be an inferior
}> }> }being, Dylan Alexander. How's it feel to be the "faulted one?"
}> }>
}> }> Coming from an admitted cartoon fan, this doesn't distress me
}> }> greatly.
}> }
}
}Coming from someone who has been declared a troll, no one really cares.
A surprising number of people seem to disagree with you, if their
responses are any indication. And "been declared a troll"? If I
declared you were a child abuser (and I can neither confirm nor
deny this), would this seriously hurt your credibility?
Of course not, because there's no _evidence_ you're a child abuser.
Similarly, I'm rather obviously not trolling. It's just easier for
you to believe I'm trolling than to face the fact that the majority
of humanity considers watching these cartoons repulsive and indicative
of poor mental health.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dylan Alexander
}Comments directly to Mr. Alexander:
}
}1. I assume you are above the age of 5 or 6. If you are not you are
}just a ignorant spoiled brat, and your parents are perfectly right to
}keep the more serious anime/manga out of your hands.
I'm 33 years old.
}2. I assume you masturbate.
I think I covered this in another post.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Sea Wasp
Dylan Alexander wrote:
> Very little. That was rather the point of my first post, to give my
> first impressions and ask for input. Sadly, the hostile responses have
> only reinforced my belief that only sick, twisted people watch this
> filth.
Rather like the belief that only complete geeks and losers spend any
time on the Internet, especially on newsgroups, eh, loser?
It'd be fairly easy for you to answer your own question, if it was a
question rather than just a search for flames, by actually WATCHING
some of the more highly recommended titles. Gimme a list of the kind
of entertainment you DO enjoy, and I'll match it with equivalent
anime.
However, since you have no actual interest in getting an answer, I'm
sure I won't be seeing a list, and if I did, you'd never actually
WATCH any of the recommended titles.
I remember posting inflammatory material like yours when I first
started netting... about 20 years ago. I got tired of it eventually,
although at first it was a blast to watch people go ape over my
deliberately offensive posts.
(If you don't see calling people "sick and twisted" as being
"deliberately offensive", you have failed to learn basic etiquette of
ANY sort, and it's something of a miracle that you lived to be old
enough to type. I got beaten up routinely in high school for much
milder comments.)
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Kyle Jewell
Michael Borgwardt wrote:
>
> I say, let troll-boy stay here as long as he wants. I mean he`s providing a
> certain amount of amusement, isn`t he?
cute war.
>
> Plus, he`s a good example for the old wisdom that you can (and usually will)
> meet all sorts on the net...
many of whom ought to have a cement shoe fitting and then have a meeting
with the fish at the bottom of Lake Superior
>
> --
> Michael "Brazil" Borgwardt / 089-3616887 / borg...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de
> Member of #WASHU# and initiate of the Church of Washu-chan, goddess of
> science, humor and everything and Her prophetess Ryoko the Magnificent.
> --------------- Let`s shake the dew off this lily, shall we ? ---------------
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