Re: [RBW] Opinions on Paul Racers or side pulls

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:33 PM, blakcloud <blakc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am starting to think about buying my dream build which will be a A. Homer
> Hilsen. tentatively these are the components I would like.
>
> 650b wheel set built on Phil Wood hubs.
> Ultegra derailleurs and cassette
> cranks, undecided but not Shimano, they're ugly, Maybe White Industries
> double.
> White Industries pedals with Bruce Gordon half clips
> Nitto lugged quill stem, hand polished to mirror finish
> Nitto lugged seat post?
> Brooks saddle or a Specialzed Avatar which I have and like.
>
> The question is around which brakes to use. The long reach side pulls are
> probably adequate and are certainly cheaper but there is something about the
> high polished Paul Racers that look good on Rivendell's. My question to
> those who own the Paul's "Would you buy them again?" Of course we are
> talking about center post mounts as I am not going to go custom frame here.
> I have never been a fan of center pull brakes, the ones that I have tried
> all sucked but they haven't been as well built as the Paul's.
>
> I would like to hope they are great brakes and easy to set up because you
> can't beat side pulls for easy set up. So those who own Paul's or have used
> them, do you like them?
>

I have one of each. The rom has the sidepulls, the ahh has the paul
center pulls and I really rather like them.

They setup pretty easily and they have GREAT stopping power.

Having said that - the sidepulls stop well, too. :)

I don't think you'll have trouble with either.

-sv

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have hi polish Racers (center post mount) on my Hilsen, and love the look AND the stopping power. Here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7691777296/in/set-72157627914355388

They're great. And I really like the folks at Paul Components.

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[Patrick in VT]

On Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:33:49 PM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote:

I would like to hope they are great brakes and easy to set up because you can't beat side pulls for easy set up. So those who own Paul's or have used them, do you like them?

I have the braze-on version of the Paul racers.  Best brakes I've used, although I'm not a huge fan of how they look.  You might inquire about any differences between the braze-on vs. center-mount version - I haven't seen much chatter about that although conventional wisdom probably says that the braze-on version are a little more powerful.  Either way, I think side-pulls are plenty good too, look better and are easier to set up.  can't go wrong.

[William]

+1 for the comment that the people at Paul are super nice.  

[Jeff]

I've got post-mounted Paul Racers on my custom which is nearly two years old.  They're got great stopping power.  I'd definitely buy them again.  But like the MAFAC Racers they're based on, I've found they can get a bit squealy and need toeing in from time to time.  Minor problem.

One thing I wish I could change: wheel size.  Wish I'd gone 650B.  Then I'd be running Grand Bois Hetres.

As far as cranks, I've got 2006 Campy triples on my Rivendell and my Heron, 50/40/30.  My next bike I'll probably spring for a Rene Herse double 46/30. 

I've also got the lugged quill stem and absolutely love it.  I found the lugged post (the wayback) gave me more setback than I needed on my custom, but I ended up putting it on my Hetchins to slacken the 73 degree seat tube.

I bought those White Industry pedals and they are gorgeous, but I haven't used them as my randonneuring miles are all "clipped in."

You're on your way to a beautiful ride!

Jeff

[David Yu Greenblatt]

I don't think you can polish a Nitto lugged quill stem to a mirror chrome finish, can you? It is "dull-bright" nickel plated cro-mo steel. 

David G in SF

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:33 PM, blakcloud <blakc...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am starting to think about buying my dream build which will be a A. Homer Hilsen. tentatively these are the components I would like.

650b wheel set built on Phil Wood hubs.
Ultegra derailleurs and cassette
cranks, undecided but not Shimano, they're ugly, Maybe White Industries double.
White Industries pedals with Bruce Gordon half clips
Nitto lugged quill stem, hand polished to mirror finish
Nitto lugged seat post?
Brooks saddle or a Specialzed Avatar which I have and like.

The question is around which brakes to use. The long reach side pulls are probably adequate and are certainly cheaper but there is something about the high polished Paul Racers that look good on Rivendell's. My question to those who own the Paul's "Would you buy them again?" Of course we are talking about center post mounts as I am not going to go custom frame here. I have never been a fan of center pull brakes, the ones that I have tried all sucked but they haven't been as well built as the Paul's.

I would like to hope they are great brakes and easy to set up because you can't beat side pulls for easy set up. So those who own Paul's or have used them, do you like them?

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[lungimsam]

I have Paul Racers.

 

I am not a bike mechanic, and I don't know how tricky side-pulls are, but for me, there are too many adjustment options on the Racers, and I have a tendency to just keep throwing things out of adjustment the more I mess with the brakes.

 

1. You can adjust them by centering them and then tightening the brake bolt.

2. You can adjust the way the straddle cable hanger sits, which moves the calipers when you do that.

3. You can adjust the spring tension of each arm.

4. You can adjust the pads.

 

They can be tricky for a novice to get aligned correctly, based on my experience, which is non with brakes, except these.

 

I am under the impression that side pulls are easier, but don't know that for a fact.

 

The people at Paiul seem to be friendly. I think they should have a better explanation on the instructions on how to adjust their brakes, and use the spring tension adjustment.

 

 

[Bruce Herbitter]

Having both Phil Woof and White Industries hubs, both with Velocity wheels, I recommend the White Industries. They seem freer rolling to me. Both look good.

[Michael Hechmer]

Sounds like a great set of choices.   I've been very happy with  White Ind Hubs, which I have on both my Ram & our tandem, and with the White  VBC crank, which I have on the Ram.  Our tandem has a DaVinci Crank, which is actually made by White and offers a good crank/spider/ring set up at a price well below TA or even Compass.

As for brakes, I love side pulls but have no experience with the extra long Silver version.  I have racerMs on the Ram & posted racers on the tandem, both excellent. Good modulation and good stopping power.  There is a learning curve on set up, but they seem to stay aligned very well & once you get a feel for readjustment, it's pretty simple to reinstall them.  I owe my life to a set of Paul's Canti brakes, so I'm definitely biased.  Also I have become very partial to levers with a built in quick release- Cane Creek, Tektro, Campy.  It makes working with center pull or canti brakes a lot simpler.  The Cane Creek / Tektro especially mate well with Paul's brakes.

Michael

On Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:33:49 PM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote:

I am starting to think about buying my dream build which will be a A. Homer Hilsen. tentatively these are the components I would like.

650b wheel set built on Phil Wood hubs.

[lungimsam]

I forgot to mention:

They do brake silky smooth with Kool-Stop Salmon pads in wet and dry conditions. Very quiet and feel great when braking.

BTW, all those adjustment options I mentioned earlier, can actually work for you to help you get them adjusted on the fly if you are a novice, like me at adjusting brakes. They seem to get aligned good with just a nudge of the straddle cable hanger if they get out of kilter.

The look of the Racers is growning on me, too.

 I like how they brake better than my sidepulls, but they are tricky for me to get adjusted.

[lungimsam]

PS - that's "Kool-Stop Salmon Thinline" pads.

 

Tip: Just pop out the ball end of the straddle cable as a quick release. Paul said it was fine to do that. 

[Robert Zeidler]

The Paul's are brilliant.

Sent from my iPad

[Marc Schwartz]

I don't think that stem ever got the dull-bright nickel finish. I don't think you can polish that finish out? Not positive.
Marc
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From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] on behalf of blakcloud [blakc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:21 PM

To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Opinions on Paul Racers or side pulls

I was going through the Rivendell photos on Flicker and saw this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397392@N06/3580832606/in/set-72157615351530151/lightbox/

This photo is what got me thinking about going the high polished look on most of the parts. Have a look the stem is beautiful.

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[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I think John Ferguson posts here from time to time -- maybe he can enlighten us?

[Bill M.]

I also have both Phil (cassette) and White Ind. hubs.  The Whites are a bunch lighter, cost less, and have less coasting drag.  Spin the rear Phil wheel with the bike in the workstand, and the cranks go around with the wheel from the drag in the freehub section.  I'd go for the WI's in a heartbeat.

Bill