Panaracer Tour Tire

[Mike]

When I started riding bigger tires on my commuter and road bike, one in the same at the time, I used Continental Contacts initially, but after reading through the Rivendell Catalog I switched over to Paselas, first 35s then 32s as I got into randonneuring. The tires were great, my main complaint was and still is, issues with the sidewalls, that they're not that durable. I used T-Serves, again, first 35s and then 32s which are now on my randonneuring bike and like those well enough. Still, Schwalbe Marathons seem to have taken over for me. I currently have them on my commuter, my LHT (40s) and my Hilsen (35)s. I like them well enough, while they're sluggish, they're durable and dependable. I think they're ideal for "just riding". Still, I'm always on the lookout for new tires and noticed these new Panaracer Tour Tires. 

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=58386

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=58385

They seem to come in a good range of sizes (32, 35, 38, 42) and the price is right. Has anyone else seen or used these? I wonder if they're just Paselas with a black sidewall and reflective strip? Given the low price I'm sure to try them out at some point, most likely the 38s or 42s. 

--mike

[Garth]

no these are not a re-done Pasela.  Much much heavier and the tpi is different, as mentioned above.


if you want a similar tire to the Tour, it would their Crosstown tire. The weights are nearly identical, both 27tpi.  I've ridden the Crosstowns (rebranded from Performance Bike) and they felt heavy and slow compared to the same size tire in their Metro K , which just zing.  Yeah. check out Performance Bikes Metro K tires in 35mm.... I like 'em !    Sidewalls are great, and they feel lively and really roll easily. Easily the best tire for the $$.... easily and a "Sleeper" . Likely because it's not a "Brand name" .  But it's made by one ! ..lol  Tires don't come from just anyone.


http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10054_10551_1070099_-1_400904_400013_400238

[Will]

For a fast, light, high volume and surprisingly tough tire, I feel Schwalbe Kojaks should be considered in this conversation. The 700 x 35's are my "bees knees" tire of choice. No reflective sidewall strips though. No tread pattern either. But that just adds to their zing. And while they are "tough" and long lasting for me here in southern New England, I'm not sure how they would hold up in goat head country. I just threw on a pair of Marathon Race 700 x 38's for the winter and they are noticeably sluggish compared to the Kojaks FWIW.

[PATRICK MOORE]

"I'm not sure how they would hold up in goat head country."

They hold up as well as anything else; certainly better IME than Paselas, non-Tourguard, which positively sucked in all goatheads from the surrounding 25 sq feet. 

Even better are the Big Apples, tho' these are of course much heavier. They do roll well, though, for their mass.

Odd: I get no more flats on the Michelin Pro Race 3s, 22 mm actual, than on any of the wider tires; ditto for 22 mm Turbos and 23 mm Contis. Anyone got an explanation? Do they slip stealthily between the thorns?

Oh, and while I remember: if any of y'all have read Jan's blog on Tire Savers, let me add this:

1. I think -- no statistical analysis -- that they do help ward off punctures by knocking the would-be penetrant off before it can rotate a second time and be pushed alla way through.

2. Erstwhile listmember Gary "9,000 miles last year -- it was a bad year" Blakely, late of ABQ and now in CO -- swore that they did work for goatheads.

3. You install them so that they **do not contact** the tire but sit slightly above it -- exactly 37/512" above the tread's highest point. (So they say.) And bend them to follow the tread's contour.

Patrick "real men ride supple, light and puncture-prone tires" Moore

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Will <wrom...@optonline.net> wrote:

For a fast, light, high volume and surprisingly tough tire, I feel Schwalbe Kojaks should be considered in this conversation. The 700 x 35's are my "bees knees" tire of choice. No reflective sidewall strips though. No tread pattern either. But that just adds to their zing. And while they are "tough" and long lasting for me here in southern New England, I'm not sure how they would hold up in goat head country. I just threw on a pair of Marathon Race 700 x 38's for the winter and they are noticeably sluggish compared to the Kojaks FWIW.

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[PATRICK MOORE]

A late aside: here in ABQ, roadies use "The System" which includes training on tires lined with old tires from which the bead has been cut. Me, I'd rather fix flats.

(I am no initiate, but I think that The System also includes certain arcane dietary methods such as riding without breakfast to burn fat, and other arcana.)

[Mike]

On Jan 13, 11:47 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick "real men ride supple, light and puncture-prone tires" Moore
>
>

Ha!

I don't mind heavy tires. I rode a very cold and rainy 600k a few
years ago on 700x32 Schwalbe Marathons and had no flats. I'll concede
time on the bike than time replacing a tube or fixing a flat on the
side of the road.

I hadn't thought to compare the TPI between this tire and a Pasela.
That should be the giveaway that they're not the same.

I know Compass Bicycles uses the Pasela mold for their 26" tire but
with a different compound than what's used for the Pasela. It would be
nice if Compas produced a 700x35 version of that tire.

--mike

[PATRICK MOORE]

Think of it this way: A flat is, at most, 15 minutes by the side of the road for, at worst, several hours of riding. So: several hours of riding pleasure versus 15 minutes of pain, compared to several hours of annoyance.

Of course, I ride 60 km, not 600, so what do I know. Only that I am sensitive to balky tires and won't ride them, dammit!

Patrick "real men embrace the pain of punctures" Moore

--mike

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[PATRICK MOORE]

Actually: "Real men change tubes and apply patches with nary a thought."

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 16:21 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Think of it this way: A flat is, at most, 15 minutes by the side of
> the road for, at worst, several hours of riding. So: several hours of
> riding pleasure versus 15 minutes of pain, compared to several hours
> of annoyance.
>
>
> Of course, I ride 60 km, not 600, so what do I know. Only that I am
> sensitive to balky tires and won't ride them, dammit!
>

I'd say the chances of riding 600km and not having a flat at all are
pretty good, unless you're using extremely flat-prone tires like
Challenge Parigi Roubaix; and even there I went on average 300 miles
between flats. Nothing else I've ever used even came close to that
average. I routinely go over 1,000 miles between flats on a Grand Bois
Cypres, and that's a long way from an ultra-flat-proof armored slug.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Unless you are riding in goathead country. But we agree on the essential point: why ride slugs when you can ride greyhounds?

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Steve Palincsar <pali...@his.com> wrote:

I'd say the chances of riding 600km and not having a flat at all are
pretty good

 

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[Mike]

On Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:33:44 PM UTC-8,

I'd say the chances of riding 600km and not having a flat at all are
pretty good, unless you're using extremely flat-prone tires like
Challenge Parigi Roubaix; and even there I went on average 300 miles
between flats.  Nothing else I've ever used even came close to that
average.  I routinely go over 1,000 miles between flats on a Grand Bois
Cypres, and that's a long way from an ultra-flat-proof armored slug.

Much of the 600k I was referring to was along Hwy 101 and there tends to be a fair amount of debris. As I mentioned, it was cold and rainy and I didn't want to be stuck changing a flat in the cold and rain. From the tires I had on hand for the ride, my choice was between Jack Brown Greens and the Marathons. I just didn't want to take any chances. I had a strong ride and finished well with no flats. I doubt I would have finished any faster with a different tire as I rode most of the 2nd day with a group and had no issues keeping up with them.

During this years randonneuring adventures which included multiple perms and brevets along with the Cascade 1200k, I only had one flat. The flat was on the morning of the 3rd day on a debris strewn road around Soap Lake. I didn't even fix the flat, just swapped out tubes after pulling the wire out of the tire.

Mike "real men have legs that can do the work regardless of the tires" J. Oh snap!

[Mike]

But ultimately, while "real men" fix flats, suffer big miles, ride supple tires, mix goatheads in their cereal, etc.... RBW Owner's Bunchers tend to "just ride."

--mike