Frame bags
Mike
recently, last week I ordered a Revelate Tangle frame bag. The
intention being to use it on my Cross Check and LHT. I got it through
the Adventure Cycling Association store. It arrived yesterday and I
gotta say, I'm quite impressed with the design, material, and
construction. The fit isn't perfect but the bag isn't custom spec'd
for my CC so it's understandable that it wouldn't fit perfectly.
I'm going to use it this weekend on a 300k. It seems like a nice
alternative to a saddle bag which is hard to access while riding. And
it doesn't seem to impact handling adversely like a front bag. I don't
know that I'll pull my raincoat out and put it on while riding using
this, but for rooting around for food or my camera it seems almost as
easy as dealing with a front bag.
I'm planning on doing some ultralight over-nights this summer and the
combination of the frame bag and my Carradice Nelson will work quite
well. I could probably get by with just the Nelson but the Tangle will
give me just that little bit of space I desire.
It definitely won't fit well on my Hilsen but I couldn't help but
think that a frame bag made out of the same material as the
SaddleSacks would be fantastic. Even a smallish one that mounted up to
the HT, TT, DT junction would be great. I'm curious what others think.
Anyone else out there have experience with frame bags? Between
Rivendell, Carradice, Ortlieb and others there's a lot of great
options for storing gear but I can't help thinking it would be nice to
have a frame bag custom made for my Hilsen.
http://www.revelatedesigns.com/
--mike
Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Tom M
PATRICK MOORE
bicycles: are these designed only for the models mentioned or are they
meant for any similar frames? Will they fit a very compact (size M =
17") Fargo frame?
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Tom M <tomm...@me.com> wrote:
> Love the Tangle. I've been using it for awhile on my single-speed commuter.
> Holds a lot, looks good, and is very well thought out.
> --Tom
>
>Ho
> On Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:30:06 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
>>
>> Love the Revelate stuff, especially the Tangle bags and the feed bag.
>> They're not tweedy or waxed canvas or all that in line with the usual Riv
>> aesthetic, but they're really nicely made and well designed. The L size
>> Tangle can fit a 3L water bladder (with the hose sticking out where you can
>> take a drink) and still have room for various tools, tubes, pump, camera,
>> etc.
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Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
An 18" Pugsley framebag fit my 18" Troll no problem. And a 20" Pugsley bag fits an 18" Pugsley from the previous generation of that model, which had a more open triangle than the current version.
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:10:48 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
I notice that Revelate makes frame bags expressly for "fat tire"
bicycles: are these designed only for the models mentioned or are they
meant for any similar frames? Will they fit a very compact (size M =
17") Fargo frame?
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Tom M <tomm...@me.com> wrote:
> Love the Tangle. I've been using it for awhile on my single-speed commuter.
> Holds a lot, looks good, and is very well thought out.
> --Tom
>
>Ho
> On Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:30:06 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
>>
>> Love the Revelate stuff, especially the Tangle bags and the feed bag.
>> They're not tweedy or waxed canvas or all that in line with the usual Riv
>> aesthetic, but they're really nicely made and well designed. The L size
>> Tangle can fit a 3L water bladder (with the hose sticking out where you can
>> take a drink) and still have room for various tools, tubes, pump, camera,
>> etc.
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Mike
58 to 60cm if I remember correctly. The Pika saddlebag is aimed at
small sized 29ers where tire to the underside of saddle space is
limited but would also work on a road bike. It's unfortunate that the
Gas Tank doesn't work well on road type bikes. I sent an email to RBW
a while back inquiring if they had any plans to do a Gas Tank type bag
and they said no. There are other options but it does seem like a Gas
Tank type bag made from that green Sackville materia would be nice.
--mike
Joe Broach
as the Revelate Tangle, but it holds as much as 3 jersey pockets
would. Also true that it doesn't affect handling in any noticeable
way. Two things to consider: if you're a top tube brusher like I am,
you'll be swish swishing your way along. I've actually rubbed the
inside of my knees raw on longish rides. Also, they aren't ideal for
frames with pump pegs. You'll have to protect the front of the bag
somehow. I used duct tape with some success.
I think I might try a tangle despite the likely knee rub. I should
just learn to pedal like a normal person.
Best,
joe broach
portland, or
Pondero
Leslie
Smitty
Thomas Lynn Skean
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=146_2328&products_id=12830
I used a JAndD frame bag for a while and found it useful too. Not particularly RBW-ish in style. But man is it priced right compared to the others I've seen.
http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FFP
Of course, there's always Guu Watanabe. I wonder if there's any bag they wouldn't make. Whatever it was, I'd expect it to be aesthetically RBW-consistent. But man those prices are lofty, even after you convert them to USD!
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
Michael_S
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:36:05 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
Liesl
for the little Riv's). -liesl
Mike
> for the little Riv's). -liesl
Although, the reality is that there are already a fair amount of
perfectly functional Sackville bags. I asked about a Sackville bar
tube once before and they said it wasn't gonna happen. That seemed a
little more reasonable and manageable inquiry and if they're not doing
that, I doubt they're gonna do a frame bag. Grant's friend and former
employee Daniel is a frame bag enthusiast and so I'm sure Grant has
had a chance to look them over. Maybe Grant will chime in with his
thoughts on frame bags.
--mike
EricP
Thomas Lynn Skean
I also appreciate the illustration presented here of the morphing of our language. The words "early adopter" are replaced by "EA" with the quotes, indicating an intentional form change (shortcut, abbreviation, what-have-you). Next thing you see is that EA without the quotes has become a verb!
We really have interestingly complex ways of expressing ourselves. I heart it.
And, again, just to be clear... +1 on the whole EAing of a Sackville frame bag thing.
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
Mike
> I own a couple of Revelate Tangle bags. Quite nice and quality is
> excellent. Only problem I have with them - when mounted, it is difficult
> or nearly impossible to use both bottle cages with large bottles.
to use the Tangle bag but decided against it due to that issue. Also,
I noticed my legs rub the bag. Since I've only ridden a mile at the
most with the bag I'm gonna hold off on using it for tomorrow's brevet
and go with an old tried, true and reliable standby--the Carradice
Nelson LF. While I can't access stuff easily while riding I'm very
familiar and comfortable with it.
All that said, I still want to see a Riv frame bag.
Totally off topic, it's supposed to be 70 tomorrow with only a minor
chance of rain. I have a feeling this is gonna be a great brevet.
Pictures and report to follow.
--mike
Brian Hanson
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Philip Williamson
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Steve Wimberg
Anything new to report on the frame bag? I'm considering the Revelate bag myself for my rando bike (a Ram!). I was worried a bit about my legs rubbing the bag. Can you measure how far it sticks out from the center of the top tube?
I love the idea of the frame bag because I could then get rid of my handlebar bag, which works well, but if I could ditch it, I would.
Thanks!
Steve
Mike
night before and noticed my legs lightly brushed the sides and wasn't
sure if I could tolerate that over 300k so I went with an old standby--
Carradice Nelson LF. I'll try and measure it tomorrow morning and get
back to you. Really, I doubt the brushing it would be an issue.
--mike
Michael_S
http://www.flickr.com/photos/huntercycles/6789257290/in/photostream
Ely Rodriguez
Those bags used snaps to connect to the frame. They were made from that xpac ripstop stuff, stiff and light.
The fabric was very taught on the frame. It was nice.
Frame bags are usually 2inch thick.
Jandd makes one.
Rob from Ocean Air made some as well.
I've made two. They are more complicated than they look.
If you want the best, get Revelate. He has a welder now. Porcelain Rocket is also very good.
Ely Rodriguez
On Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:36:06 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
Ely Rodriguez
Philip Williamson
Philip
Mike
> The bag on the hunter was made by the woman in Santa Cruz who sews awesome
> hats, Randy Joe.
covers and hats for Rivendell.
https://www.randijofab.com/about
She makes a lot of cool stuff. I keep meaning order up one of their
aprons. Seems like she's good friends with Rick Hunter who operates
out of Watsonville, CA.
--mike
stevew
Just a few notes on the Revelate Tangle frame bag. I went ahead and
ordered the medium size to go with my 60cm Ram. (shipped to Boston
from Alaska in 3 days!) I went with the medium because I don't need a
ton of space for this bag, and I wanted to minimize any difficulty
with getting water bottles out of their cages.
I did the Climb to the Clouds ride up to the top of Mt Wachusett here
in MA yesterday, and the bag worked great. It didn't rub my knees at
all, it was easy to get my foodstuffs out of the bag while riding, and
I am able to get at both bottles. Though, the seat tube bottle
doesn't go in and out quite as smoothly. I'm not using the larger
size plastic bottles, but smaller aluminum ones. The strap that
connects the front bottom of the bag to the down tube that is just
long enough to make the connection.
I use the Ram mostly for brevets, and got the frame bag to replace an
Acorn Handlebar Bag. The handlebar bag worked well, but I was never a
huge fan of how it connected the the bars. I think the frame bag is
going to work - we'll see on the Boston 300K in a couple of weeks.
Here's some pix:
https://picasaweb.google.com/swimberg/FrameBag?authuser=0&feat=directlink
Steve
PATRICK MOORE
thought it might be the thing to use on my Fargo, but I see from the
photos that on a 17" (43cm) severely compacted frame, it wouldn't do
at all.
Must check their other models
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I have been a bit out of the loop on the forum stuff lately, but saw the mention and am catching up. You can see the Frame bag I made for my Roadeo paired with a couple of acorn bags here:
I love mine, even though I am biased since I still make them for sale from time to time. I use it, on another bike, almost daily.
This style of bag can be very useful on larger frames, moderately so on mediums, and are a significant compromise on the smaller bikes. The biggest factor as mentioned is impaction of the water bottles. This can be alleviated by the use of side loading cages, or just using a bladder with a hose as most bike packing guys do. I prefer to use bottles and refill them from a bladder I store in the bag. Another thing you may not think of is how you transport or store the bike. If you use a rack that cradles the top tube, the bag will be in the way and need to come off.
The rubbing of the thighs is controlled by two factors. The overall design of the bag, both width and depth. The depth is an issue because a deep bag will allow you to overstuff it resulting in bulging. I have found that widths in the 1.75-2" range with about 6" depth work well in most applications.
Also mentioned was the paint rub and wear from brazeons. I try to mitigate the rub by backing all of my Velcro with either canvas or trim. The more affordable bags usually have raw Velcro’s back side against the frame. Te Velcro plastic is likely close to or harder than the clear coat, and results in wear to the paint Things like bottle bosses or pump nubs will result in wear on the bag. I have been using ballistic nylon for the perimeter of the bag and found that this is a decent solution.
There is a good bit of thought that goes into making this style of bag, not to mention the hand work. One bag can be made to fit a narrow range of bike sizes, but in general the range is narrow compared to front or rear bags. Hence, bags that fit well are usually custom, and other bags are fair fit a best for a traditional frame in most cases.
Material selection is another issue. I like the untreated canvas for a variety of reasons. If you like the waxed or treated canvas you may want to think about what is in contact with your food or sweaty garments that you may be taking on and off, storing in the bag, and thus transferring to you in small steady amounts. Other bag makers have been working through that by lining their bags. For me, I avoid a design that requires a liner, as I do not feel like carrying a bag in a bag. Also consider the person(s) cutting and sewing the materials and what if any effect the waxes and formaldehydes in the canvas may have on them in the long term. These kind of thoughts have led me towards the Xpac laminated materials that are both waterproof, durable and light. I hope to have some samples to show in the near future that show off the way modern materials can be combined with trims like leather or vinyl in traditional designs to achieve a pleasing blend of style and function.
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the attached photo? Long and skinny is fine as long as it can take 3
very large, rolled up 29er tubes, a tool kit of the same dimensions
and a minipump and still have room for a sandwich, crushed nylon
windbreaker, etc.
I can forego the downtube bottle cages because the Fargo has fork
mounts for cages.
How much?
Thanks.
Robert Perks
Thanks for your interest.
A bag like what you describe would start at about $180 in tan canvas with one large compartment. I have not done one for a compact frame yet so there would be a bit of back and forth tracing of your internal triangle shape and locating all of your braze ons etc. so that I know where to locate the straps. What size and year fargo is that? If I can find one locally to make a tracing from it would save some time.
Also, while I am thinking about how I would go about the design, confirm that you would give up both bottles inside the main triangle. One thing I try to avoid with my bags is going all the way to the bottom bracket and having possible interference with the front derailer. I try to keep the bottom of the bag close to level, and am envisioning a bag that would fill the space of the front triangle from the top of each upper bottle boss up to the top tube.
My current lead time on a project like this would probably be 6-8 weeks at best. I am completely buried with my Rambler frame set project as it moves from production samples to production. Although, I like to make time for the bags as it is almost therapeutic to still be making something with my own hands, time is just at an incredible premium.
I know you have worked with Ely in the past, and if he is not too swamped I am almost thinking of sharing this project with him. That would of course depend on him wanting the work and your timeline. He has the skills, and I could work through the detailing with him. Just thinking out loud through my finger tips.
Think about it a bit, let me know, and I will work it into my schedule.
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