Unique Hillborne for sale on the Bay

[Peter M]

Not related at all to seller, looks like an interesting conversion to
cantis, I would need a whole repaint because I am OCD, thank god it is
not my size.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-frameset-/190645067524?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item2c6354df04

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

The 1st gen green Sams have canti posts.
I put v-brakes on mine.
Looks a bit odd but works great.

Jay

On Feb 24, 8:42 pm, Peter M <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not related at all to seller, looks like an interesting conversion to
> cantis, I would need a whole repaint because I am OCD, thank god it is
> not my size.
>

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-frameset-/190645...

[William]

I've bought a couple parts from that seller on ebay.  That seller pushes out a TON of Rivendell and Riv-ish frames, parts, and accessories.  I can't tell if its a compulsive buyer who just turns things over really fast, or if he buys stuff on the cheap in this niche and resells it on ebay.  I've been pleased with the service from that seller, don't get me wrong.  It's just that I'd guess he's sold a dozen Rivendell framesets in the last year on ebay.  Where's he get them all?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

There's nothing odd-looking about v-brakes to anyone who has been around mountain bikes in the past 15-20 years (but before everything had discs). I've never understood the claim that cantilevers have superior aesthetics, especially since (IMO) they work worse and are fiddly to set up and keep adjusted.

[William]

I'd be extremely cautious buying a Riv with canti-posts put on after the fact.  One of the spectacular aspects of all the Rivendells I've built is that on all of them the brake post positioning has been spot on perfect.  I've built up enough bikes in my bike shop days to see how variable cantilever and v-brake performance is when the QC in post positioning is variable.  I think that's something that people overlook when they review the performance of a set of brakes.  The position of your posts locks into place a crucial part of the geometry of the system, and therefore determines a big part of how the brakes will perform.  You can just slap on posts within a few mm and make up for it with pad adjustment to get the brakes set up, but two identical bikes with the same tubing and the same brakes could have much different braking performance if the posts are a few mm lower on one bike than the other.  

[newenglandbike]

I have noticed that too.     On Rivendells with sidepull brakes, it seems like the pads are always positioned near the end of the slot, since the brake is positioned for maximum tire clearance.     On Rivs with cantis, the pads always seem to be best aligned to the rim when near the bottom of the slot, which maximizes leverage (and modulation, in my experience).    Its all about the details, and they really get it right.

-Matt

[benzzoy]

Are the frames he sold all the same general size? That can give us a
clue as to whether he's an impulsive buyer or semi-pro eBayer, or
maybe it's a combo, since you can't have a bunch of this kind of stuff
without knowing what they are, and if you know what they are, you most
likely will love it. :)

On Feb 24, 11:18 am, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've bought a couple parts from that seller on ebay.  That seller pushes
> out a TON of Rivendell and Riv-ish frames, parts, and accessories.  I can't
> tell if its a compulsive buyer who just turns things over really fast, or
> if he buys stuff on the cheap in this niche and resells it on ebay.  I've
> been pleased with the service from that seller, don't get me wrong.  It's
> just that I'd guess he's sold a dozen Rivendell framesets in the last year
> on ebay.  Where's he get them all?
>
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> On Friday, February 24, 2012 10:42:52 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> > Not related at all to seller, looks like an interesting conversion to
> > cantis, I would need a whole repaint because I am OCD, thank god it is
> > not my size.
>

> >http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-frameset-/190645...

> On Friday, February 24, 2012 10:42:52 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> > Not related at all to seller, looks like an interesting conversion to
> > cantis, I would need a whole repaint because I am OCD, thank god it is
> > not my size.
>

> >http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-frameset-/190645...

[RayO]

I feel just the opposite.

On Feb 24, 11:38 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

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[PATRICK MOORE]

My less-than-$0.02: V brakes look perfectly at home on a Sam HIll, even a TTT Sam HIll. No feeling involved, just aesthetic judgment.

OTOH, the IRCs that Riv had set up on the floor model 56 STT Sam HIll I bought a couple of years ago (and rather quickly sold) worked as well as any V brake as to pure stopping power to hand effort, and modulated better. And this judgment from someone who has come to hate, I say HATE, setting up cantis, at least anything dating from DC 986s, and including gawdawful Mafacs. The IRCs are the cat's meow, but Vs are easier.

Me, I'd look seriously at a Bomb or Atlantis if they took disks.

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[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Don't get me wrong, there are v-brakes on my Sam because I put them
there. Like Patrick, I have found cantis to be difficult. Don't know
if that's the brakes or my limited wrenching skills, but there it is.

To me, v-brakes and 26" wheels = MTB, calipers and 700c = road bike.
Doesn't mean anything more than red wine with meat and white with
fish. Just another rule made to be broken when circumstances warrant.

Brakes are there to stop the bike, and the v-s to the job. And my
longboards fit nicely too.

Jay

On Feb 24, 9:38 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Keeg4n]

I have purchased two frames from this Ebay seller, a Bombadil 60 and a
Hunqa 62. He is an upstanding seller, packages his frames well and
honestly documents their condition, in writing and with photos.