Re: [RBW] Bagman2 Q/R with Expedition Support and Camper longflap

[René Sterental]

I have the bag and like it a lot, but for support I use my Nitto Big Rear Rack or the R14. Have no experience with the supports. 

René  

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[PATRICK MOORE]

I've used many different saddlebags and, if aesthetics alone were the criterion, I'd definitely prefer an old school, green, Carradice. The Camper Longflap carries quite a bit more than the Nelson Longflap and even more than the Adam, but far less than the Hoss -- the Sackville Medium, the only Sackville I've used, carries almost as much as the Hoss and more than the nominally similar-volumed CL, thanks to its more effective design. But I think C's old school bags look better in overall form, if not in details.

I've not used the new Bagman with the stay struts, but I have used the old Expedition, non-strutted, both QR and non-QR. It works well but is limited to the same 10 kg as the SQR, which I, personally, prefer because it holds the bag high and thus obviates the need for the bottom support -- thus not compromising the bag's full volume. Frankly, if I had to use a Bagman with struts, I'd prefer a small and light rack like the Fly (11 oz, capacity 20 kg) or the Mark's (what is its capacity?).

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM, hsmitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with Carridice's Camper long flap and the Bagman expedition saddle bag support? I'm considering this combination from Carradice purely on asethics and thought some of you might have some thoughts.

http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=type&product_id=35

http://www.carradice.co.uk/products/other/bagman

Thanks,

Hugh Smitham

Los Angeles, Ca

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[Don]

Hugh:

I had a Carradice Camper and thought it was great! It holds a lot of stuff. I used it without a support and it sits quite nicely under the saddle. IMO the Carradice looks much better than the Rivendell bags. Those bags are a little too-too . . . . Unfortunately I sold it because I couldn't mount the bike by swinging my leg over the Carradice unless I stood at the edge of the sidewalk with the bike in the street. (Hip repalcement).

[PATRICK MOORE]

I don't necessarily agree about the "too too", tho' I think that Riv could have made them as strong and useful with a "coarser finish", but I do agree that the old Nelson/Camper/Junior type look better, to my eye at least.

But!! There can be no question for one who has used a Sackville Medium that the SM is a more **efficient** design: that is, it can carry more with less saddle-to-tire clearance, and by spades, compared to the Carradices and the Bagginses. Again, in my experience, the SM can carry almost as much as the Hoss (and far more than the Camper) while requiring far less clearance; and the SM loads easier than the Carradice types and buttons up easier than the Baggins types.

(For the record: I've used several each of the Juniors, Nelsons, N Longflaps, Camper Longflaps, and one each of the the smaler Nelson -- forget the name, the Adam, the Hoss, various home-mades, and now the SM, as well as various Bagmans and SQRs and other mounting kits.)