Atlantis vs. Sam

[murphyjrfk]

i know it tends to be a different comparison, given the price and all.
but let's assume the price is the same. i can't decide. at all. and
price is an issue but still wanna compare.

this is where i'm stuck. i want a bike that can tour. but can mostly
serve as fun and quick, spirited normal everyday bikes. i don't need a
"fast" bike. i just want a quick bike. i like the atlantis better, but
im nervous that it will be sluggish unloaded. maybe dat ain't true-i
dunno.

anyways. horrible grammar aside, i am hoping some sam owners and
atlantis owners would chime in. and if you own both. that'd be even
betta!

thanks.

[Esteban]

Atlantis. No question. Classic. Build it up light, and it will do
mostly what you want.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

[Greg]

Sam......I'm 220 lbs. and ride a single TT 60cm. It is perfect in feel
as a day trip bike. Handles a med. basket and large Saddlesack with up
to 4 days gear great.There is a little flex when running a set of
Toursacks on the rear for longer trips 'cause they hang behind the
rear axle and aren't as close to the rider/bike COG as a saddlebag,
but I only notice it if I shake the handle bars back and forth on
purpose. I do camp/tour with ultralight backpacking gear, though.
I'd rather have a slightly flexy touring bike than a stiffish day
bike.
I've been riding larger framed B'stone RB-1 and RB-T for 20+
years...so I like a compliant frame feel.
Sam as an everyday bike + light tourer.........No question.....;-)
MTCW.

[David T.]

I just got an Atlantis. I have been riding it every day, since the
weather here has been unseasonably warm.

The Atlantis is not slow. (There are a lot of good things I could say
about it, you know how it is when you get a new bike. But that isn't
the topic at hand.)

The major factors limiting your speed are air resistance, and the
power you can generate.

The weight of tubing is inconsequential.

I haven't ridden a Sam Hillborne, it looks like a great bike.

But the Atlantis is not sluggish.

[Kevin Turinsky]

Go for the Atlantis. You'll be delighted with its enduring design,
good looks, durability, agility, and practicality. Nuthin' slow or
sluggish about 'em.

Here's a story on my Atlantis:
http://chasingmailboxes.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/bikes-to-like-kevin-t-s-rivendell-atlantis/

Lots of Atlantis photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/akrando/sets/72157609908249398/

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

If you are coming off a race-y bike to a Sam or Atlantis, either will feel sluggish. IMO there's not a ton of difference between the two in terms of quickness or the perception of quickness.

[James Warren]

I have both. They ride very similarly. With the Atlantis, you get greater tire capability and slightly more touring capability.

When set up with the same drop bars, I have noticed no less speed-capability of the Atlantis compared to the Hillborne. I have in the past set up the Hillborne with drops, but I don't have it that way now. With Hillborne with bullmoose and Atlantis with Noodles, the ride of the Atlantis is much sportier of the two, but I attribute that to the handlebar difference.

Anyway, my experience has been that both can be ridden equally fast, and the Atlantis has a few more capabilities in the big tire and touring categories. I think the only reason to choose Hillborne over Atlantis is to save money. In that respect, the Hillborne might be a better value. But if the money is not an issue in this range, I think the Atlantis is the way to go.

-Jim W.

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[charlie]

Atlantis all the way.....if I had the money I would get one for sure.
Its been Rivendell's flagship model for years now......the Hillborne
is a fine machine for sure but it is designed to be more affordable
and flexible (fit wise) whereas the Atlantis is a little more refined
and traditional from a design perspective. I think the Atlantis is a
little beefier and can take wider tires also.....important, if you
want to carry a load or you are a heavier rider and want to use
slightly wider tires sometimes. I think the Hillborne would be fine
also if you are under 200 and want to load up modestly. Just my
opinion but it is another almost $1000 but......it could be the most
versatile bike you may ever own and life is short. If the money isn't
too much of an issue I'd go Atlantis in the right size and never look
back...

[dougP]

I've had an Atlantis since '03 but have never ridden the Sam. With a
light wheelset the Atlantis is surprisingly responsive & quick for a
touring bike. I prefer my 40 mm tires on Mavic A719 rims for comfort
but I do work harder on that set-up.

dougP

On Feb 4, 4:17 pm, murphyjrfk <murphyj...@gmail.com> wrote:

[murphyjrfk]

kevin---that's a fun bike. thanks for all the replies. good stuff. the
sam's a good bike i bet. but i suppose the atlantis would be hard to
be it seems.

On Feb 4, 10:57 pm, Kevin Turinsky <kjturin...@mac.com> wrote:
> Go for the Atlantis. You'll be delighted with its enduring design,
> good looks, durability, agility, and practicality. Nuthin' slow or
> sluggish about 'em.
>

> Here's a story on my Atlantis:http://chasingmailboxes.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/bikes-to-like-kevin-...

>
> Lots of Atlantis photos here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/akrando/sets/72157609908249398/
>
> On Feb 4, 6:33 pm, "David T." <davidtren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just got an Atlantis. I have been riding it every day, since the
> > weather here has been unseasonably warm.
>
> > The Atlantis is not slow. (There are a lot of good things I could say
> > about it, you know how it is when you get a new bike. But that isn't
> > the topic at hand.)
>
> > The major factors limiting your speed are air resistance, and the
> > power you  can generate.
>
> > The weight of tubing is inconsequential.
>
> > I haven't ridden a Sam Hillborne, it looks like a great bike.
>

> > But the Atlantis is not sluggish.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Smitty-A-Go-Go]

According to my experience today --- via a bikey neighbor I went on my first "road ride" with a group of race-y types... I was on my country-ish AHH and the only one not wearing lycra everything --- anything that can accommodates racks, fenders, or tires over 28mm falls in the category of "not a real bike". One guy pointed out that my bike was more a I pointed out that I left my Pinarello at home 'cause it isn't half the bike as my Hilsen. But that doesn't answer the Q in the OP. I just wanted to vent. 

I would go Atlantis 'cause of the increased tire capacity. That said... I have 40mm tires on the aforementioned AHH and they're plenty big for any sort of mixed-surface use shy of single track "mountain biking". I haven't ridden it any great lengths loaded on dirt but we do have some dirt roads in my neighborhood that I've been known to ride with panniers and basket full of groceries. It handles reasonably well except when it's really muddy. I guess my point being that If money's an issue, go with the Sam. I probably would have gone with an Atlantis instead of the AHH but I would ride a 66... which was no longer available when I bought mine.

Also, a small part of me thinks the less fancy appearance of the Sam makes it a little less attention grabbing + theft prone. I sometimes worry about locking up my AHH but part of that is 'cause it just looks fancy... you don't have to know what it is to recognize it's a nice bike. The Atlantis has similar fancy + attention grabbing paint. I suppose if that aspect outweighed my loving how it looks I might get it painted mono-tone. But I'm not there yet.

Cheers,

Smitty

  

[EricP]

I've owned and Atlantis in the past and have one of the early Sams.
They are very similar riding bikes. I'd actually vote for the
Hillborne. The Atlantis is fantastic, no doubt about it. The
Hillborne just has a small difference that's hard to describe. But I
like it better. Could be the slightly slacker seat tube angle. Just
places my body over the bike a little nicer. Maybe. And the newer
ones might ride even nicer than the one I have. Was able to test ride
a 60cm orange Hillborne and it felt even more at home than my 56 cm
bike. (The designed slightly changed after the first run, so for me
the 56 is the correct size on that bike.)

The Hillborne will easily run 40mm wide tires with fenders. And the
new ones can take a 45mm wide tire. So you still have a lot of
options if you want to go wide.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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[Lyle Bogart]

Wouldn't trade my Atlantis for any other bike.

Cheers!

lyle

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[jason]

I've had them both though I've sold my Sam and still have my Atlantis.  I think I'll be buried with this bike. I really liked the Sam but it didn't quite fit me right.  I felt like the 60 was too big and the 56 was too small.  

One of the big advantages of the Atlantis is being able to chose a size that fits you perfectly.  Some of us are between sizes on the Sam.  If you fit one of the Sams perfectly you will be very satisfied with the bike.  If you're between sizes you might find an Atlantis that feels just right. 

Bottom like though they're both great bikes. 

[C.J. Filip]

My 56cm Atlantis is everything I want in a bike. I do not miss the
quicker acceleration and handling of my 19# steel road bike with
clearance for 23mm tires and horrible racey geometry because I was
never comfortable on it.

I run everything from 37mm to 55mm tires on it. It goes down or up
any singletrack trail. I haul groceries. It is my camper/RV. It
looks great. It is durable and I intend to ride it for quite some
time into the future.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2012-02-04 at 22:53 -0800, Smitty-A-Go-Go wrote:
> According to my experience today --- via a bikey neighbor I went on my
> first "road ride" with a group of race-y types... I was on my
> country-ish AHH and the only one not wearing lycra everything ---
> anything that can accommodates racks, fenders, or tires over 28mm
> falls in the category of "not a real bike".

What jerks.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

You have to stop suppressing your true feelings, Steve....

What jerks.

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[Smitty-A-Go-Go]

I think they didn't know what to make of Homer and as a result saw the lugs + shiny bits as frivolous. I was aware going in the possibility of my bike being seen as being an oddball but I didn't think it would be pointed out to me. 

As a correction... one of my initial sentences was half deleted... or perhaps I only typed half of it before my brain jumped ahead. Anyway... it should read: One guy pointed out that my bike was more a "toy" than a "machine".  

I've a friend who refers to me as a "Riven-dork" but it's used in a friendly way. He understands + rides fat tires, racks and bags... he just thinks Rivs are over priced. 

I've heard of Rivsters getting guff like this but now I feel like I've been initiated into the next level of Riv-ness.

--Smitty

 

[Seth Vidal]

I've only had one person give me any grief about my bike(s). I looked
at them with a squinty-eyed look and said
"Seriously, you feel like you know me well enough to make disparaging
remarks? You think that's appropriate?"

To which they apologized and looked abashed.

Which is good, they should have been.

Someone has to be a special kind of dick to decide to say rude things
about someone else's anything to someone they don't know.

No matter what kind of bike it is - unless it is dangerous (ie: things
falling off, clearly broken) I always say the same set of things to
people I don't know:
"How does it ride?"
"Are you having fun?"

If they answer in the negative to either of those - then I might see
if I can help. But most people answer in the positive and/or are
cheered on by this question and that, imo, completes my day.

To people I do know -I've found that making anyone feel good about the
good things about their bike is an excellent way to get them to ride
it more often. That, imo, is much more important than what kind of
bike they are riding. If someone comes to me and asks my opinion I
will give it. But I try to give it by talking up the positive things
about the kinds of bikes I ride and like, not by talking down other
bikes.

Call people out when they are jerks. You never know - they might
realize they were being rude and try to be better, it does happen.

-sv

[newenglandbike]

'One guy pointed out that my bike was more a "toy" than a "machine".  '

LOL at some spandex tool on a race bike calling your bike a 'toy'.   Bicycling is so f-ed up these days.

[robert zeidler]

Come on, you thought the result was going to be different?  

[Anne Paulson]

My latest episode was on my Roadeo. I was leading a club ride, and as
we were climbing a long hill another rider said, "I'm surprised you
can climb so well on that bike." I'm sorry to say I snapped, "Come on,
do the arithmetic. Can you tell the difference climbing if your water
bottles are empty?" Of course, I should not have snapped at her. I
regret it.

But for ****'s sake, she's a MacArthur-genius-grant physicist, and she
can't figure out that three or four pounds bike weight is in the noise
compared with how much water I have in my bottles, how much riding
I've done the last few weeks, how much I overate in the holidays,
whether I remembered to pump up my tires, how many extra clothes I'm
carrying in the handlebar bag? Hello?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Seth Vidal <skv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've only had one person give me any grief about my bike(s). I looked
> at them with a squinty-eyed look and said
> "Seriously, you feel like you know me well enough to make disparaging
> remarks? You think that's appropriate?"

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[robert zeidler]

FWIW, I rode along one fine day with the guy who started the Velocipede Salon forum, he on a nice CF bike, me on my Riv Custom, w/  'dice hanging from the saddle.

He could not have been more complimentary on how nice the bike looked.

That forum is filled w/ obnoxious frat-boy types, who practically put out a contract on me when I suggested Curt Goodrich was screwing me by taking my deposit and never responding to my inquiries on progress.

So like everything else there are a-holes and pretty good people in every group.

RGZ

[Roger]

> To people I do know -I've found that making anyone feel good about the
> good things about their bike is an excellent way to get them to ride
> it more often.

Question: So, what's the very best bike of all?
Answer: The one that makes you want to ride more!

You've found a universal and inexpensive way to improve almost any
bike.


On Feb 6, 2:42 pm, Seth Vidal <skvi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Steven Frederick]

Atlantis seems to be the consensus. I would agree with the qualifier
that, if you ride small enough a frame to be on a 650b Sam or 26"
Atlantis, I'd at least consider the Sam. Just because I like 650b
wheels.

Steve

[C REINO]

I own a Rivendell custom (one of the first from 1995), a quickbeam,
Sam Hillborne, and as of last summer, an Atlantis (I also have an
X01). If I had to choose just on bike, it would be the atlantis,
without a question. It rides great loaded (better than my Sam). It
is so versatile, depending on the tires you put on it, I run 26x1.5
pasella's for fast and comfortable road rides up to 26x2.0 schwalbe
marathon extremes for dirt and single track plus rough stuff touring.
It is rock solid and super comfortable! If price is not an object,
have grant build you up an atlantis!

[GeorgeS]

I have read the posts on this subject with interest. I have a lot of
bikes, including an Atlantis, a custom randonneur, a Rambouilet and a
number of vintage touring bikes. If I could only have one bike (I
sincerely hope I'm never in that position), it would be the Atlantis.
You can do anything on it that most people will ever want to do on a
bike - fully loaded touring, fast or not so fast centuries, commuting,
dirt roads and trails, you name it. My bikes are scattered throughout
the hose and some are hanging on racks in various places. The
Atlantis is the one parked next to the front door.
GeorgeS

[dougP]

OP:

I think you have your answer:

On Feb 8, 7:45 am, GeorgeS <chobur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Atlantis is the one parked next to the front door.
> GeorgeS

While I don't have the choices George has, my Atlanits the one that
never gets hung up, & is always ready to go. I've robbed parts off
another bike to install on the Atlantis, but never the other way
around.

dougP

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[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I've got a Sam that I like very much.
This thread is making me feel like I'm missing something.

Jay

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[Peter Morgano]

It would still be a PBH/Tire size issue for me with the Atlantis. I was all set to jump on one but with my PBH I would be on one of the 26" wheel models which was a turn off unfortunately so I went for a 650b Hilsen which has worked out awesomely, looove the 650b.

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'm curious why 26 inch wheels were a turn off? Note: not quarreling,
just curiousWith tires like the Kojak in two widths and the new
Compass Bicycle 1.75, it ought to be a very nice ride. And if you like
fat there are always the 60 mm Big Apples.

Patrick "just rode 24 brisk, smooth and pleasant miles on the 559X34
mm Kojaks" Moore who rides 26" on road and 29" off road.

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[Forrest]

I have an Atlantis (58) now, and I had a Sam (56). Amazingly similar fits for me between these two bikes in these sizes. I like that the Atlantis can take bigger tires than the Sam (though the Sam can take plenty big), and I suppose I prefer the aesthetics of the Atlantis slightly. But the Sam is a lovely bike -- looks and performance -- very capable, and an outstanding value. I wouldn't ever discourage anyone from getting a Sam, and if price/budget is a consideration, the Sam is the way to go. I think most people who have 'em really like 'em.

[Thomas Nezovich]

The 559 wheels need not be a turn off:  my 56cm Atlantis is currently shod with nice red hetres.

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Forrest - Your Sam is sitting in front of me in my office as I'm
writing this.

Jay

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

What brakes?

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Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:13 PM

To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Patrick: 26" wheels are a hard sell, probably because road-bike-oriented people associate them with "slow" MTBs and cheapo X-Mart bikes. Back when we sold Atlantises, it seemed like 58cm frames sold better than 56cm by about 10:1 (a guess). Perhaps RBW has a more accurate ratio. In any case, many people saw the 559 wheel as a drawback. This observation also extends to a previous bike shop gig, where one brand of road-racing bicycle used 26" wheels on its smallest bikes. They were impossible to sell because of the perception of slowness.

With the Surly LHT, which has many similarities to the Atlantis, including 559 wheels on smaller frames, there is now an option to get the small wheels even on larger frames. Since this option has been available, we've only stocked the 559 LHTs. The smaller wheels allow bigger tires and fenders, and toe-overlap has been more or less eliminated. Also, the smaller wheels are lighter AND stronger, all else being equal. IMO, the 26" wheels should be regarded as a positive, not a negative. (although a nice bike with 700c or 650b wheels is good, too)

[Thomas Nezovich]

Paul Moto BMX.  These are the Paul V brakes without the big scallop.  I did find a set of old Shimano cheapy cantis among my stash that worked  (old Altus, I think) but my Atlantis deserves better.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks for the apercu; that makes sense. But I am glad that at least a
few makers are making truly nice 559 road tires -- I hope the trend
continues. Me, I want a 28 or 30 mm racing tire in 559. But meanwhile,
the Kojaks do pretty well.

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[Peter Morgano]

26 in is just a no go for me, I guess as an old guy it takes me back to the old mtb days and that is,just not what I was looking for personally. Again no offense intended but for shorter pbh  people who were always awkward on 700c bikes 650b is just awesome.

On Feb 8, 2012 8:19 PM, "Forrest" <ftm...@me.com> wrote:

I have an Atlantis (58) now, and I had a Sam (56). Amazingly similar fits for me between these two bikes in these sizes. I like that the Atlantis can take bigger tires than the Sam (though the Sam can take plenty big), and I suppose I prefer the aesthetics of the Atlantis slightly. But the Sam is a lovely bike -- looks and performance -- very capable, and an outstanding value. I wouldn't ever discourage anyone from getting a Sam, and if price/budget is a consideration, the Sam is the way to go. I think most people who have 'em really like 'em.

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[dougP]

Agree with Jim on the pluses of 26" wheels for touring. While I've
never had any problem with the 700s on my 58 cm Atlantis, given my
druthers I'd go 26".

The perception of 26" being slower is not reality. My wife has one
bike with 700 x 28 Paselas, and does not coast downhill as fast as I
do. Her other bike is an Atlantis with 26" x 1.25" Panaracer Uban Max
(commuter tire). She coasts downhill just as fast as I do on that
one. Both bikes weigh within a pound of each other. So much for the
myth of 26" being slow.

dougP

On Feb 9, 6:41 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:

[PATRICK MOORE]

Has anyone used these?

http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wheels/tire/panaracer/tserv/prd_357546_151crx.aspx

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone used these?
>
> http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wheels/tire/panaracer/tserv/prd_357546_151crx.aspx
>

Not in yellow - but I have tservs on our tandem. Good tire - rolls
well - nice balance between flatproof and plush.

-sv

[Peter Pesce]

I have 60cm LHT with 26er wheels and it's great. It can look a bit ungainly with the 26s on larger frames if you use skinny tires, but I run 50mm Big Apples and black fenders so the visual perception of the wheels looks pretty good in proportion to the whole bike.
Can't say much about speed, as at 34lbs in full comm-utility kit it's almost 10lbs heavier than any other bike I have, though it rolls nicely on the BAs for its intended purpose.

-Pete in CT

[John Speare]

As long as we're talking tires for 559, I'll throw my current faves in the ring:

http://www.maxxistires.com/Bicycle/Mountain/MaxxLite-310.aspx

Don't let the knobbies in the picture fool you -- these are round-profile, good enough for fast commuting, rough-housing, and trail riding. Super light and supple and wonderful. These have become my all-rounders on my 559-wheeled bike -- single speed 1990 mb2.

Second place tire would be 1.75 (non-TG) pasalas.

I dig 559. I had the 56 cm Atlantis for a while and an XO1 and loved the wheel size. I'm working on a plan for building my perfect 559 frameset at the moment.

559 has turned into the bastardized step child wheel size over the last few years, especially as 29ers have come to dominate the mountain bike scene -- further degrading the perceived usefulness of 559. The broader adoption of 584 is also taking part in the smack down.

Matters not to me! I have bikes with 584 and 622 wheels (and 406) -- but 559 will always be on at least one fun, nimble, fast bike in my garage.

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-sv

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Speaking of 26" "road bikes," here's a cool Paramount on 'bay:
www.ebay.com/itm//290663312629 Love the bike, not the silly-stupid
BIN. Is this that same Mad-Wis shop being discussed a couple days ago?

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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM, cyclotourist <cyclot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of 26" "road bikes," here's a cool Paramount on 'bay:
> www.ebay.com/itm//290663312629  Love the bike, not the silly-stupid
> BIN. Is this that same Mad-Wis shop being discussed a couple days ago?
>

Yep - that would be it - Budget Bicycle Center

-sv

[PATRICK MOORE]

My kind of bike! too big for me, though.

I've noticed that, while small, light wheels do (at least) *feel*
faster to accelerate they don't *feel* as if they hold their speed as
well -- which is one reason the relatively heavy wire bead Kojaks feel
so nice: more inertial feel. Still, very light wheels feel very nice
climbing a hill in a big gear when you tend subtlely to speed up and
slow down as you stand and crank - or that's what it feels like.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM, cyclotourist <cyclot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of 26" "road bikes," here's a cool Paramount on 'bay:
> www.ebay.com/itm//290663312629  Love the bike, not the silly-stupid
> BIN. Is this that same Mad-Wis shop being discussed a couple days ago?
>

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[cyclotourist]

Mad-Wis location + ridiculous price (I've got gold!) gave it away!
Cool bike though. If it had decent clearance for at least a 1.75" tire
it would be an awesome bike!

[cyclotourist]

I think they got their negative connotation based on the lack of good
rubber. That and the MTB association. I'd love to have a country bike
set up with 559 Hetres!

[William]

Seth

It's worse than that.  They have the Buy It Now rigged so that even if you do Buy It Now, it responds "sorry, it's not for sale"

[Bruce Herbitter]

While we are on the subject, i just got a pr of Pasela 559 x 37 skin wall tires from Harris. Very light, and will be on the Rambouillet.  

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From: Seth Vidal <skv...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu Feb 09 13:09:32 CST 2012

To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam

[Bruce Herbitter]

Looks kind of like a Brompton

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From: cyclotourist <cyclot...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu Feb 09 15:25:46 CST 2012

[dougP]

My Atlantis came stock with 35 mm Paselas. When the rear wore out,
the front had enough sidewall cuts to be worrisome. I replaced them
with T-Servs & was quite happy with how rugged they were in
comparison. It's a good tire at a decent price. Don't recall much
about the ride so they couldn't have been much different.

dougP

On Feb 9, 11:08 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone used these?
>

> http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wheels/tire/panaracer/tserv/prd_357...

[charlie]

The T serve is about like the Pasela but thinner in the sidewalls and
a tough part under the tread like the older Urbanmax which had it in
the sidewalls too. That was a tough, light tire for me.........I've
quite a few miles on 27" gumwall Pasela TG's in the 1 1/8 and 1/4"
inch widths. All good but I think my current Schwalbe Supremes to be
Superior in every way. I have some of the Ribmos on a vintage bike and
they are nice too from a durability standpoint plus I've not flatted
them yet. In fact, now that I think about it the only tires I've
flatted are the Pasela ( I rode them more than any other) a T Serve
and I think a lightweight Comet tire on my Recumbent which I replaced
with a Ritchey Tom Slick and a thorn proof tube. Right now I'm running
Schwalbe 700x47 Marathons on my geared bike but will be putting the
Supremes back on soon. Most of my flatting happened recently too. They
seem to run in streaks then none for a while but I'm fairly
careful...........

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

BBC has all kinds of cool stuff at reasonable prices. I closely inspected this interesting bike last time I was there. The LeFol fenders are cool, the manly predecessor of those dainty Honjos.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350498548533

[EricP]

Hmm. Was thinking of stopping there next week while in town. Maybe
I'll give it a pass. Too likely to get into an argument with the
owner/staff.

Would still argue for the Sam Hillborne. Although the Atlantis is a
very, very fine bike.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Feb 10, 4:00 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Bruce Herbitter]

For the $7,999 price of the RT Jansen in Jim's post, one could have an Atlantis, a Hillborne, and a San Marcos.....

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[rob markwardt]

Even more weird...if you go to the BBC company website it's listed at
$895 (last one!). Also, I believe the wheels on that batch of
Paramounts are 650c not really "regular" 26 inchers..

[cyclotourist]

It looked like 650C, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt...