RE: [RBW] Wood

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Jonathan:

 

Beautiful Riv Road!

 

How (if at all) do you treat/maintain the rims’ braking surfaces when the finish is worn off?  I, too, really like wooden rims, but the first couple of sets I built used Sturmey drum brake hubs, to avoid the rim wear issue.  Now I have a set with a caliper brake on an A.N.T.-built  fixed gear, and I’m wondering whether any care is required.

 

Tom

 

From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Poor
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:41 PM
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Wood

 

Grant's blog about the wood bar-end shifters made me think it was time to upload pictures of my '98 Riv Road that I'm currently running with a set of wood rims. 

 

The wheels, laced with 36 "Revolution" butted spokes and shod with 27mm cotton tubulars (80psi) are nicely comfy. The wheels are 5 or 6 years old now.

 

Contrary to Grant's story, I wouldn't say they are high maintenance at all. They are quite tough -- I can even ride them off road!  (thanks to the 26 chainring in front).

 

Here's the link:

 

https://picasaweb.google.com/109331262996071703108/RivendellRoad_1998?authkey=Gv1sRgCKm72_LU2rq6DA#

 

Let me know if this doesn't work!

 

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[PATRICK MOORE]

Jonathan: That is the classiest Riv I've seen in a long time! What a
lovely bike! Wood rims, tubulars and Revolutions! And a wide range TA
Pro 5 Vis!

Please explain: what is the big ring, and what are the cogs?

How is braking on wood?

Do you need special pads?

Are those toe straps set up a la Powergrips?

I've wanted to try tubulars, but with goatheads out here so evilly
common, it just doesn't make sense.

I remember Nashbar, sometime within the last 10 years, blowing out
what must have been a really old, **old** stock of wood rims -- I was
tempted.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Jonathan Poor <jpoor...@aol.com> wrote:
> Grant's blog about the wood bar-end shifters made me think it was time to
> upload pictures of my '98 Riv Road that I'm currently running with a set of
> wood rims.
>
> The wheels, laced with 36 "Revolution" butted spokes and shod with 27mm
> cotton tubulars (80psi) are nicely comfy. The wheels are 5 or 6 years old
> now.
>
> Contrary to Grant's story, I wouldn't say they are high maintenance at all.
> They are quite tough -- I can even ride them off road! (thanks to the 26
> chainring in front).
>
> Here's the link:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/109331262996071703108/RivendellRoad_1998?authkey=Gv1sRgCKm72_LU2rq6DA#
>
> Let me know if this doesn't work!
>
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[Jonathan Poor]

Thanks for the compliments!

The big ring is a 44, so a 44x26 double (both chainrings are from TA), and the 6 speed cassette is 13-14-16-18-21-24.  

The 44x13 is a surprisingly big gear, especially with the larger tires, and I find I can hang in a fast group just fine, 'cause I like to spin. I joke with the local tri-guys that the rims are made of "carbon fiber"

Braking: the pads are dura-ace cork pads meant to use on carbon fiber rims. The Braking is not super great, but adequate. The wood smoke aroma on hard braking is a plus. At first I used regular rubber pads, and the braking was better, but they generated an unpleasant melting rubber smell, and made black streaks on the rims.

Toe straps: yes, these are set up a la Power grips. No toe clips, just the leather straps, set up so the strap goes diagonally from front outside to back inside. I tried powergrips, but I didn't like the extra hardware, and that you couldn't easily adjust between different shoes.  This is much simpler, and lets me use my collection of old toe straps.  I find it is the ultimate "float" since you can move your foot fore and aft, in and out, and also swivel. I still like to be connected to the pedals sometimes.

Rims: Those are the Nashbar rims you remember.  Had them in my basement for years, before building the wheels.  So far the finish is holding up fine. No sign of wear.

Cheers!

[Patrick in VT]

On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:40:49 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Poor wrote:

The wheels, laced with 36 "Revolution" butted spokes and shod with 27mm cotton tubulars (80psi) are nicely comfy.

Those tires would make just about any wheelset feel "nicely comfy!"  No clincher can compare.

[Jeremy Till]

Just to echo--that is seriously one of the most beautiful Rivs I've seen.  I love the early Roads--they may not have a lot of functional elements that have come to characterize later Rivs--i.e. tire/fender clearance, rack/fender mounting, etc.--but proportionally and aesthetically, they just hit a sweet spot for me.  Maybe one day I'll find one for myself. 

I also love your eclectic mix of parts, which I'm sure rides great. 

[Montclair BobbyB]

Jonathan:

Beautiful bike... I'd expect nothing less than wooden tubulars!  You still sewing up your own tires?  You've probably been doing that for, what... 40 years now???  (BTW come join us for Riv Rally East 2013 in May... stay tuned).

Peace,
BB

[ted]

Jonathan, as others have said lovely bike. But how is the front
shifting with that 18t gap?
When I was younger 10 or 11 (42-52 or 53) seemed standard, then 14
(39-53) became the norm, and then came the "compact" cranks with 16.
How big a jump do you think is too much?

I have a 650b Hilsen with a sort of half step set up (42-45 in front).
I have been considering going to something like a 30-46, but if an 18t
gap in front would work fine, well ...

thnks

[Jonathan Poor]

ted:

(sorry for delay, I've been digging out from Sandy) 

Well, the shifting is pretty good, but I think I needed to use that particular front derailleur to get it to work well. It's a Suntour Cyclone/Superbe continuous band mounted FD, with a very short cage.  If the angle of the cage isn't just right, I will occasionally throw the chain when shifting from the 26 to the 44.  Dialed in I have no worries.  Shifting up to the large ring usually requires at least a three cog shift in back.  If I'm feeling fit, I'll mostly use the big ring, and bail out to the 26 for hills, or off-road, or hauling a trailer and such.

As for how much is too much, I don't know. Sheldon Brown set up his Hetchins with a 50x28!  with a 12-28 9 speed in back.

(It was this bike that inspired me to try the Cyclotouriste as a double, but the 50 seemed too high to me.)

http://sheldonbrown.com/org//hetchins/index.html

close up:

http://sheldonbrown.com/org//hetchins/source/3.html

[Reid]

On Monday, October 29, 2012 9:07:39 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

...

(BTW come join us for Riv Rally East 2013 in May... stay tuned).

 

OK, no teasing! Isn't that against the rules on this forum? Mods alert! Mods alert!

 

So at least give us some hints. What general kind of stuff do you have in mind? Do tell!  Every Spring, I think how great it would be to organize a re-do of the S24O rides that Riv used to do up Mt Diablo, but I'm too disorganized to manage organizing anything.

 

Reid

 

 

[Montclair BobbyB]

Reid:

Riv Rally East is a weekend ride.  The first one was in May 2011 with a handful of riders converging on Wellsboro, PA for 2 days of scenic loops in the Pine Creek Gorge area.  In 2012 a larger group assembled in Cumberland, MD for a 2-day point to point ride along the Great Allegheny Passage trail up to Ohiopyle, PA.  Riv Rally 2013 is still in the planning stages, but it will likely occur on a weekend in May 2013, possibly with an optional ride on Friday.  Western Virginia is one possible destination; but stay tuned.

I have recently moved out to western NJ along the Delaware River (and BTW we JUST last night got power back after a week of outage due to the big storm)... There are lots of places around this area that would be perfect for a S24O... The beauty of these types of rides is they can be spontaneous... It takes very little planning... just pack up a few essentials, grab an adventurous friend or two and head out on a Friday after work... Oh, and make sure to be back before it's time to do your Saturday chores...

BB

[Jonathan Poor]

Hey Bobby, I'm going to try to make it in 2013, especially if it's in Western Jersey.  My Dad lived for years in Frenchtown, on the Delaware.  Great rides on both sides of the river...

Jonathan

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 06:55 -0800, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Riv Rally East is a weekend ride. The first one was in May 2011 with
> a handful of riders converging on Wellsboro, PA for 2 days of scenic
> loops in the Pine Creek Gorge area. In 2012 a larger group assembled
> in Cumberland, MD for a 2-day point to point ride along the Great
> Allegheny Passage trail up to Ohiopyle, PA. Riv Rally 2013 is still
> in the planning stages, but it will likely occur on a weekend in May
> 2013, possibly with an optional ride on Friday. Western Virginia is
> one possible destination; but stay tuned.
>
> I have recently moved out to western NJ along the Delaware River (and
> BTW we JUST last night got power back after a week of outage due to
> the big storm)... There are lots of places around this area that would
> be perfect for a S24O... The beauty of these types of rides is they
> can be spontaneous... It takes very little planning... just pack up a
> few essentials, grab an adventurous friend or two and head out on a
> Friday after work... Oh, and make sure to be back before it's time to
> do your Saturday chores...

So how about in the Delaware Water Gap?

One of the first tours I ever did was with the Mid Hudson Bicycle Club
to the Delaware Water Gap. There was a youth hostel there and we HQ'd
at it, rode to the Peters Valley Craft Fair. It was our first ride on
the then-new child adapted Gitane tandem.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Steve:

The Delaware Water Gap actually is a great choice for a 2-day ride, light-touring credit card style.  I did it one weekend 2 years ago, where we started at the Water Gap (on the PA side), rode across the Rte 80 bridge to NJ, then up the historic Old Mine Road to Milford PA along the Delaware, which is a rolling combo of very rural rough pavement and dirt roads (about 40+ miles in total for Day 1).  We spent the night in Milford PA (where there are plenty of B&Bs and Inns).  Day 2 we rode back into NJ, and up through High Point and Stokes State Forest, before jumping on the Sussex and Paulinskill rail-trails (which are mostly dirt, some gravel and virtually no pavement). The Paulinskil is very pretty (largely used by the equestrian community), and brings you all the way back down to the Water Gap.  The 2-day total distance is roughly 90 miles, and it's definitely a worthy ride with very little traffic.  This really highlights some of NJ's hidden beauty.

Whether we also do a Virginia location for the May Riv Rally, I'd be glad to host a Water Gap ride in the Spring.  Definitely an excellent (and challenging) ride with beautiful scenery.  Thanks for suggesting it.

Peace,
Bobby

[Steve Palincsar]

Back in the 70s they were saying they were going to let Old Mine Road
"go back to nature". I remember it as being exceptionally nice. I
think I recall us crossing the river into PA and going up to some falls
-- Silverthread, perhaps? -- on the ride. Details, of course, are long
gone, as it was 40 years ago, but some 20 years later on a drive up to
NY we went on PA 209? and stopped and walked up one of those side roads
to see some falls. It was January, I think, bitterly cold, and
everything was frozen, stalactites and stalagmites of ice everywhere.
Just breathtaking.

And speaking of which, a few years ago we did a tour from Front Royal
VA, 4 days self supported, that stopped at and visited Luray Caverns and
Shenandoah Caverns. It's an excellent tour.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2078
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2079
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2077
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2076

The only thing I'd modify on these routes is to use a dirt road rather
than the paved road that goes by some large resort on day 2 or 3. The
paved road was \/\/\/\ and we got stuck into a huge exodus of traffic
from the resort, which was most unpleasant.

You set up a Delaware Water Gap tour and I'm definitely in. I'll bet
Joan would be in as well. She's resisted the Riv Rallies for a couple
of years but has now decided she's in for them, too.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Me, too -- and probably at least a couple of the Allingham offspring as well.

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[Montclair BobbyB]

Yes, back in the 70s they were planning to build the (ill-fated) Tocks Dam and create a massive reservoir/recreational area.  It thankfully never happened, and in the mean time the Dept of the Interior had bought up all the cabins/houses within the reservoir's planned 'footprint', forcing people to move from the area.  To this day it's still very remote (and virtually abandoned) thanks to the displacement of all those people as a result of the Tocks Dam project.

On the Jersey side is Buttermilk Falls, a beautiful cascade in the woods, that sits on one of the dirt roads in the Water Gap Recreational Area.  

I will begin planning this... perhaps for April?

Peace,

Bobby

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 18:52 -0800, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
> Yes, back in the 70s they were planning to build the (ill-fated) Tocks
> Dam and create a massive reservoir/recreational area. It thankfully
> never happened, and in the mean time the Dept of the Interior had
> bought up all the cabins/houses within the reservoir's planned
> 'footprint', forcing people to move from the area. To this day it's
> still very remote (and virtually abandoned) thanks to the displacement
> of all those people as a result of the Tocks Dam project.
>
>
> On the Jersey side is Buttermilk Falls, a beautiful cascade in the
> woods, that sits on one of the dirt roads in the Water Gap
> Recreational Area.
>
>
> I will begin planning this... perhaps for April?

Sounds good to me!


>

[Norman]

Me too. I've always wanted to explore that area.

[Rusty Click]

Hey Bobby,

Looking forward to possible RivRally East.  I'll keep watching for dates and places in future threads, so I can add to a fast filling summer schedule.

Cheers,

Rusty