low-rider rack and bags

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Admittedly I'm partial to bike bags. I like a variety of ways to carry stuff on my bike.

So I'm really hopeful that the low-rider (aka hub-area) rack and its associated bags mentioned in the latest blug entry make it to production. I've used a tubus tara for front pannier mounting. It is surprisingly light. But nothing can really make its bulk attractive. And it needs clamps to work well with the Hillborne fork.

The rack depicted in the blug looks to be exactly what I'd like: small, light, silver, and designed so as to work with my fork. For me it doesn't need to carry 40 pounds or 40 liters. Presuming it's a true Sackville, I expect to be happy with the bag that would go with the rack depicted.

Sackville front panniers... I never thought it'd happen. I sure hope it does.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

[William]

Totally agree.  That lowrider looks delightful.  

[Michael_S]

Wow... that low rider rack is gorgeous!    And a Sackville to go with it!   This combo will be on my shortlist if it makes it to market.

~mike

On Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:57:38 PM UTC-7, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

[dougP]

That is one nice looking rack. I use the Tubus Duo because it's two
separate pieces so it takes up little space when the bike is packed
and shipped, unlike the Tara et al with the connecting hoop. My max
front load never exceeds 15 lbs per bag (usually a lot less) & the Duo
is perfectly secure and stable at that weight. I would expect Riv's
new front rack to be just as good. It has the added advantage of
mounting to the fork eyelets common on many Riv models. Sure hope
this one makes it into production.

dougP

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[Mike]

Yeah, it looks like a smart design. I'm definitely glad that it's being made with the idea of taking advantage of the fork braze-ons common to Rivs. The fact that it's made by Nitto is sure to mean that it's quality. 

I really love that Hillborne in the post.

--mike

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Yeah... I'm definitely a bikes-should-have-fenders kinda guy. But seeing 45mm tires on that Hillborne gets me thinking about my 700c canti-studded Hillborne... "How fat could I go?" "How cushy could that be?" and, admittedly, "How badass could it look?"

Apparently pretty badass.

Perhaps not as... well... "sexy" as having a silver brake wrapping around the tire like that. But still. Pretty intense.

Has anyone put 50mm tires on an unfendered 700c Waterford Hillborne?

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

[Scot Brooks]

Hey Thomas,
I think 50s on the canti version would be fine; I've got 47s on my 700c sidepull Hillborne at the moment and there's plenty of space even on that.

[Brian Hanson]

I can't wait to see the Sackville front panniers.  I'm thinking about this now as S24O season is upon me and I don't have any for my Tara.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Scot Brooks <scothi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Thomas,
I think 50s on the canti version would be fine; I've got 47s on my 700c sidepull Hillborne at the moment and there's plenty of space even on that.

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[Mike]

Smaller/front Sackville panniers combined with a basket would probably be a perfect combo for s24o gear, or at least for me. I've really grown to like panniers in recent years. I can't abide by messenger bags anymore and while I love saddlebags i always get a little nervous when I leave one attached to my bike while my bike is locked up. Panniers that can be easily removed from the bike are a great solution. I know in Just Ride Grant mentions that the sight of a bike with one pannier doesn't seem right but it doesn't bother me, especially for commuting or running errands.

--mike

[William]

Thomas

I went on an ultra fat tire jag on my Canti-Hillborne for a bit.  I barely got Marathon XRs to fit which were a true 48 if memory serves.  I liked it so much and wanted clearance so badly that I sold that Hillborne and began saving up for an Atlantis.  I still am nowhere near the Atlantis and now miss the Hillborne.  So it goes.  Here's a fat tire shot of my canti hillborne.  These photos are with 42mm cross tires. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157626464189260/

I can't find a photo of the xr 'rances. 

[jandrews_nyc]

Thomas

Here is a picture of my Hillborne with Schwalbe Dureme 50's.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51542056@N04/6133155362/

Not a lot of room on the chain stays, but also totally fine.

best

jason

[Ryan Watson]

My latest obsession is minimalist front lowriders, so that new rack is indeed very appealing!

I had this one made by a local builder:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/7156035283/

But my favorite so far is this type from Watanabe:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4281844510_6d91353911_b.jpg

Cheers,

Ryan in Albuquerque  

On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:56, Mike <mjaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Smaller/front Sackville panniers combined with a basket would probably be a perfect combo for s24o gear, or at least for me. I've really grown to like panniers in recent years. I can't abide by messenger bags anymore and while I love saddlebags i always get a little nervous when I leave one attached to my bike while my bike is locked up. Panniers that can be easily removed from the bike are a great solution. I know in Just Ride Grant mentions that the sight of a bike with one pannier doesn't seem right but it doesn't bother me, especially for commuting or running errands.

--mike

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[Thomas Lynn Skean]

William, Jason...

 

Excellent information and useful photos.

 

I sympathize with your missing your Hillborne, William. I can safely say I'm in no danger of trading to an Atlantis lest I miss mine. Every ride's a joy. And I'm sure your Atlantis will give you that and fatter tires to boot!

 

On a daily basis I don't find truly fat tires compelling. I just recently moved from 40-622(700x38) to 35-622(700x35) and am very happy with the switch. They weren't different sizes of the same tire; so the fact that the 38s were super-cheap Kendas and the 35s are sorta-cheap Schwalbes (the RBW-sold Delta Cruisers) may be affecting my preference. But the new ones are definitely better to me; more stable, more easy to mount evenly (no tools!), quieter. And plenty cushy for my commute on rough-ish roads and smooth-ish trails. (All praise the Illinois Prairie Path!)

 

But the blug shot of the truly fat-tired Hillborne was fascinating. I could immediately imagine a cushy ride I might appreciate on my odd 10s-of-miles weekend purely-trail ride where the trails are rougher than my normal haunts. Parts of the Prairie Path receive more maintenance than others. And riding style variety supports my enthusiasm for riding in general. (Thus, though my two bikes are identical Hillbornes, my six cockpits span the RBW aresenal of handlebars. All praise the daVinci Easy-Split!)

 

I always liked the green/gold combination of the 1st gen Hillbornes, Jason. I certainly can't complain that I wasn't able to get one; I'm plenty happy with the orange and new green as well. And I'm a big beneficiary of the double-top-tube era (~250lbs).

I think a set of Dureme or Supreme 700x50 tires may be in my future.

Thanks!

Yours,

Thomas Lynn Skean

 

[Tony Lockhart]

I also hope this type of rack makes it into production because I'd buy one in a heart beat. I like the "clean" installation however it could use a little refinement. I really hope they put in another mounting tab lower on the rack so this can work with fork with only a lower braze on---perhaps one sliding slot would do the trick.

I really like the shot of that Watanabe--the rack posts remind me of the decaleurs used by Velo-Orange. It's nice to see a couple of mini bags already attached.

On Friday, June 22, 2012 7:41:03 AM UTC-7, Ryan wrote:

My latest obsession is minimalist front lowriders, so that new rack is indeed very appealing!

I had this one made by a local builder:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/7156035283/

But my favorite so far is this type from Watanabe:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4281844510_6d91353911_b.jpg

Cheers,

Ryan in Albuquerque  

On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:56, Mike <mjaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Smaller/front Sackville panniers combined with a basket would probably be a perfect combo for s24o gear, or at least for me. I've really grown to like panniers in recent years. I can't abide by messenger bags anymore and while I love saddlebags i always get a little nervous when I leave one attached to my bike while my bike is locked up. Panniers that can be easily removed from the bike are a great solution. I know in Just Ride Grant mentions that the sight of a bike with one pannier doesn't seem right but it doesn't bother me, especially for commuting or running errands.

--mike

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[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Excellent! The Watanabe is definitely minimalist. I'm not sure I could get a shirt into what it would support.

 

Yours "local builder" rack is the platonic ideal of the tubus tara. Even with the loop it seems light and tight without the rotating joint and lower curvature of the tara. And of course fitting without clamps makes a big difference. It's like the Nitto "Mini" versus the "Mark's" on a canti-studded bike. Nothing against the Mark's! I have one on the back of one of my bikes with a Platrack and love it. But on a canti-studded fork, the Mini approaches the platonic ideal, especially as a platform for TrunkSack-style bags or simple baskets.

 

Yours,

Thomas Lynn Skean

[William]

" The Watanabe is definitely minimalist. I'm not sure I could get a shirt into what it would support. "

LMFAO!

I can see it now, Thomas puts his LEFT winter glove in the LEFT Watanabe Pannier.  His RIGHT glove goes in the RIGHT Watanabe Pannier.  

[William]

Thomas.  I'm sure you've seen this already, but this is the best I've done in my stable for double-plus-chubby tires and double-plus-skinny frame tubes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/6448616619/in/set-72157628094782662/ 

[dougP]

Ryan:

That rack by your local builder is wonderful. Too many racks have
bars, loops, hooks, etc., that don't serve any obvious purpose. Both
Tubus and Nitto make great products but they get a bit busy looking.
My Nitto Big Back Rack is guilty of this over-build syndrome.
Hopefully Riv can keep the simple, clean look for this front rack.

BTW: Who's the guy who built your front rack?

dougP

On Jun 22, 7:41 am, Ryan Watson <rswat...@me.com> wrote:
> My latest obsession is minimalist front lowriders, so that new rack is indeed very appealing!
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> I had this one made by a local builder:
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/7156035283/
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> But my favorite so far is this type from Watanabe:
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> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4281844510_6d91353911_b.jpg
>
> Cheers,
> Ryan in Albuquerque
>

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[Ryan Watson]

It was built by Chauncey Matthews in Belen, NM.
I knew he was the guy after seeing the nice minimalist rear rack he made for Patrick!
He also made a cool adjustable-offset fork for my pal Eli.

Ryan

[Michael_S]

Doug, Chauncey  bikes too. He built me a curved top tube 29er and a 650B all rounder.  Here is a picture of my 29er... filet brazed with nice silver bits and an Acorn bag. It is tall enough in the front I can swap in a steel fork and have a monster tour bike. For now I put on a suspension fork.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/7247069476/in/photostream 

He is making me a front low rider rack right now and has the fork for the 650B bike.

~mike

[dougP]

Mike:

That is really cool! Except of course the fork but I realize it's
functional.

I've been sketching, plotting, planning, & measuring on this rear rack
idea off'n'on for quite a while. This may be my entirely indefensible
utterly self-indulgent bicycle purchase for 2012.

dougP

[Ryan Watson]

Here's a busy looking rack!

http://wallbike.com/blog/2012/06/18/rack-lady-racks/

On Jun 22, 2012, at 19:05, dougP <doug...@cox.net> wrote: