All Rounder vs Bleriot for light touring

[fxguy]

I'm looking at finally getting a Rivendell after many years...and I've
mostly decided to go the used route, in part for cost, but also the
Hillbourne I wanted is no longer available in single top tube.

I'd like someone's opinion on two used bikes: a 2003 all rounder vs
the Bleriot a member here has posted to ebay. I have a 88 PBH and I
believe both would be a good fit.

Bleriot:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130682698514?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648#ht_750wt_1378

All Rounder:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2971787319.html

Specifically, I will be doing a San Francisco to Santa Barbara light
tour in a few months. I like the idea of the 650B tires, but am less
sure about 26". I currently ride a Cannondale R2000 racing bike which
isn't gonna work.

I'd appreciate someone from this groups opinion, even if you tell me I
should just try to buy a new one; I've always wanted the Atlantis..but
times are a bit lean these days for me.

cheers,
Matt Bouchard
San Francisco

[Leslie]

I like 650b, went w/ a 650b Bombadil, I understand that;  and, I'm not anti-Bleriot, either, it's a good bike;  but, betwixt the two, I'd love to have that particular Riv "All-Rounder"... it reminds me of my Ram, but with canti brakes instead (almost a canti-Ram).   Wonder how wide of a tire it could handle?

Anyway... you have to go w/ what you think is best for you, but I'd vote for the 'All-Rounder'.

[Ryan Ray]

Get the all rounder so I can trade you something for that saddle bag!

Not helpful? 

- Ryan

[rw1911]

The AR is a much fancier made in USA bike with a higher component
spec. It would be my choice, but with an 88 pbh I think it will be too
small.

(I have an 89 pbh and ride a 61cm 700c wheel AR)

On Apr 22, 3:04 pm, fxguy <matthew.bouch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking at finally getting a Rivendell after many years...and I've
> mostly decided to go the used route, in part for cost, but also the
> Hillbourne I wanted is no longer available in single top tube.
>
> I'd like someone's opinion on two used bikes: a 2003 all rounder vs
> the Bleriot a member here has posted to ebay. I have a 88 PBH and I
> believe both would be a good fit.
>
> Bleriot:

>      http://www.ebay.com/itm/130682698514?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid...

[rw1911]

I possibly retract my statement about being too small...

After posting I swung over to the Riv site and for an 88pbh they show
57.5 - 62 with 26" wheels. That seems weird to me as they show 60-62
for 700c. There must be some geometrical stuff with wheel size that I
don't understand. If you really like the bike (I do) then maybe a
call to Riv to talk sizing is in order.

[Leslie]

Er....

Isn't this All-Rounder a 700c?    Those are Synergy rims;  I know Synergies are available as a 700c and a 650b rim, but I don't think they have 26" Synergies.  


I could be wrong, of course, but, it looks like a 700c, not a 26"... 


-L

[Leslie]

Okay, I'll correct myself:   Synergies are available in 26".   


However, this is a 700c bike.    I zoomed in on one of the tire pics, and it's wearing 700cx37 Pasela TG tires.


Nice bike.  Get it.   :)

[danmc]

Hey Matt.

That All-Rounder looks pretty nice. Looks like it is 700c not 26". I would go after that one. A custom Riv is a special bike. A Bleriot is pretty nice too but if it works go for the All-Rounder.

Dan McNamara
San Rafael

On Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:04:22 PM UTC-7, fxguy wrote:

[Jim M.]

The All Rounder was posted on the list: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/UYlvtXpdN8Q , which confirms it's 700. I think it's probably too small for you but take it for a test drive and see.

On SF CL there's a Bleriot that's probably more your size: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/2932077264.html

Good luck!

jim m
wc ca

On Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:04:22 PM UTC-7, fxguy wrote:

[fxguy]

Thanks for all the super-helpful comments - and especially for noticing it is indeed a 700 and not a 26".  It may be too small in this case. :(

I'm gonna take a look and hope it fits. Would be a shame if it doesn't, since I agree with everyone else its beautiful.

If it is a BIT short...is there anything I could consider doing? With a PBH of 88, I think that means a 60.  

About the bleriot btw - I looked at the original booklet here http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/bleriot_bro.pdf  and at 88 PBH, I'm right between the 59 and 61.

Thanks to all - hoping to join ya for real soon. :)

Matt Bouchard

[Esteban]

I also think the Riv is too small for you - that's gonna be 55.5 or 56 c-c.  You're about my size (87cm PBH).  I prefer a larger frame for touring.  That Bleriot Jim found looks good.

On Monday, April 23, 2012 1:54:45 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

[danmc]

Just noticed the standover in the All-Rounder listing. It is going to be too small. But someone needs to buy that bike!

Saw this on SF Craigslist: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/2970252890.html

It might work for you. It does not have lowrider braze-ons up front if you were headed that way. Herons are nice frames with strong Riv ties.

Some Heron info from the internet archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010109/http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html

The Bleriot still looks like a strong option.

[Leslie]

You know I may be the dissenting voice but I still think it would be an okay size, smaller than Riv standards but still acceptable; just might have a little more seatpost showing... use a longer stem, perhaps...

It's a gorgeous bike...

-L

[pb]

??

The All-Rounder is going to prove to be too small.

What is your idea of "light touring"?

~Peter

On Apr 22, 12:04 pm, fxguy <matthew.bouch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking at finally getting a Rivendell after many years...and I've
> mostly decided to go the used route, in part for cost, but also the
> Hillbourne I wanted is no longer available in single top tube.
>
> I'd like someone's opinion on two used bikes: a 2003 all rounder vs
> the Bleriot a member here has posted to ebay. I have a 88 PBH and I
> believe both would be a good fit.
>
> Bleriot:

>      http://www.ebay.com/itm/130682698514?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid...

[Peter Morgano]

There is a 64cm Atlantis on the Bay,  maybe too big,  even for riv sizing?

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[James Warren]

Heron Touring is a great bike. Very much like AHH.

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[EricP]

For the original poster, that Atlantis is probably too big.  As to the Bleriot, whenever I had a chance to ride one years ago, they felt "small" to me.  The 59 might work for you.  Would suggest a test ride before buying, if at all possible. 

 

Eric Platt

St. Paul, MN

[islaysteve]

Wihtout reference to size, I don't think you'd be disappointed in the Bleriot at all.  And between the two you originally posted, you'd save $1000, which isn't trivial.  Granted the All Rounder is very nice looking.  The Bleriot is a very pretty bike. For the savings, you could have it painted.  Bleriot takes at least 38 tires, with fenders I believe.  Maybe wider.  Rear fender and rack islets, no rack eyelets up front, you can use P clamps.  There's  really not much downside, as long as the bike fits you.

 

My 2 cents, Steve

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 04:13 -0700, islaysteve wrote:
> Wihtout reference to size, I don't think you'd be disappointed in the
> Bleriot at all. And between the two you originally posted, you'd save
> $1000, which isn't trivial. Granted the All Rounder is very nice
> looking. The Bleriot is a very pretty bike. For the savings, you
> could have it painted. Bleriot takes at least 38 tires, with fenders
> I believe. Maybe wider.

I know someone who has Hetres on her Bleriot.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have Hetres on my Bleriot, but I don't think I could fit fenders on it.

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 09:38 -0400, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
> I have Hetres on my Bleriot, but I don't think I could fit fenders on it.

Not sure if the clearances vary with sizes. The one I mentioned has the
wide SKS fenders, and they fit OK.

[Rick]

AR looks great to me, but I'd call RBW on the sizing issue, they'll
steer you in the right direction.

Side note: Glad to read all this, what with the hetres sitting on the
dining room table and slotted for the bleriot (tonight? this weekend
at latest), plus a plan to add fenders toward summer's end . . .

Rick
(The no-research "looks like it would fit" high-end tire purchaser.)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Steve P's and Jim T's notes led me to amble over to where my Bleriot is sitting and re-examine the brake bridge clearance. I think a fender just might fit.

[Norman Bone]

Hi Jim-

Could you expand on what 'good things happened to bikes' (Riv ARs) since 1996?

-Norm in PDX

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From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thil...@gmail.com>
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: All Rounder vs Bleriot for light touring

I guess I should have read more carefully, as I think "1996" when I think of ARs, and a lot of good things have happened to bikes since 1996. This newer Curt-built AR is a good price, if it fits... I'd be tempted if I didn't already have several bikes that fill that role.

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[bicyclebill]

I have the very same Bleriot (including same size) and love it. The
650B's are great and I've discovered a surprising number of great
tires out there. The one thing that I would have liked is canti
brakes, so the All-Rounder gets the edge there. Also, the A-R appears
to be a complete bike whereas the Bleriot (though cheaper) is not.
Also note the size difference: the Bleriot is 57cm c-c and 59 cm c-t.
The A-R is listed as 57.5 cm c-t, so is a slightly smaller frame.