Non-leather saddle with saddlebag loops

[Anne Paulson]

Erik Jensen's gorgeous apple-green Rambouillet is now my son's
Rambouillet. It's sitting in my garage looking beautiful, and it needs
a saddle. As there is no way my son would take care of a Brooks
saddle, any recommendations for a non-leather saddle that I could
attach a Carradice saddlebag to?

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 09:31 -0800, Anne Paulson wrote:
> Erik Jensen's gorgeous apple-green Rambouillet is now my son's
> Rambouillet. It's sitting in my garage looking beautiful, and it needs
> a saddle. As there is no way my son would take care of a Brooks
> saddle, any recommendations for a non-leather saddle that I could
> attach a Carradice saddlebag to?

Bolt-on Viva bag loops work well, if the rails are wide enough apart.

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Anne Paulson <anne.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Erik Jensen's gorgeous apple-green Rambouillet is now my son's
> Rambouillet. It's sitting in my garage looking beautiful, and it needs
> a saddle. As there is no way my son would take care of a Brooks
> saddle, any recommendations for a non-leather saddle that I could
> attach a Carradice saddlebag to?
>
> --

Anne,
Get a WTB saddle and a set of the loops like these:

http://www.thebikebiz.com/ViVa_Bag_Loops_p/com-acc-via01.htm

-sv

[Jim Mather]

Not as cheap as Viva, but the QR feature is pretty handy:

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r13.htm

For non-leather saddles, I've been happy with some of the Specialized models. They come in different widths, which I've found to be helpful for fitting. Also, Bontrager makes some decent inexpensive saddles.

jim m

wc ca 

[Peter Morgano]

Not much to take care of really with a brooks.  Proofhide it really good first, don't get it soaking wet (get some fenders if it doesn't have them) all the time and Proofhide it once a year after that. I am sure he can handle that, give that kid some credit!  :-)

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[Joe Bernard]

I think "taking care of a Brooks" is overrated. You can Obenauf it once, hand him a saddle cover if he intends to ride in hard rain, and send him on his way. Even if he never goops it or covers it again, it should last many years/miles. Europeans have been abusing these things in all kinds of weather for a century. Yes, they take more care than a plastic saddle if you want them to last forever, but the reality is even plastic saddles get bashed and worn out in due time. I think a used Brooks with some life left in it is a reasonable option.

[Anne Paulson]

I think I may have implied that I'm replacing a Brooks saddle with
something else. No, no, Erik kept his saddle (as he should). The bike
has no saddle right now.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think "taking care of a Brooks" is overrated. You can Obenauf it once,
> hand him a saddle cover if he intends to ride in hard rain, and send him on
> his way.

[Joe Bernard]

No, I didn't think you already had one..just responding to the need for a saddle with bag loops, but being shy about going with a Brooks for the young man. Aside from being comfortable and saddlebag-able, they look wicked cool. My advice is to find him a used one and see how he does with it. You can always throw a plastic saddle on later if the Brooks doesn't work out.

[Bill M.]

I'd use whatever saddle he likes with a Carradice Bagman QR. If he
has enough seatrpost showing, the SQR is also an option. It's
practical but less attractive.

Bill

[Chris Halasz]

The Selle Italia Man (or Lady) Gel Flow is a nice plastic bodied
leather topped saddle with loops.

http://www.selleitalia.com/eng/

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&biw=1221&bih=756&tbm=isch&tbnid=swKMom4szrSeOM:&imgrefurl=http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/eurobike-selle-italia-preview-naked-saddle-and-more-23042/&docid=vAXEhYnwwTExQM&imgurl=http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2009/09/03/1251964679219-bb3hsuggnghm-500-90-500-70.jpg&w=500&h=321&ei=hsnFTraaKoTgiALOhpH6BQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=297&sig=102396740915240400473&page=3&tbnh=165&tbnw=219&start=40&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:40&tx=137&ty=86

[PATRICK MOORE]

This Camper straps very nicely to the rails of the Tubo.

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5665987116273041874

Velo Orange sells, or used to sell, bolt-on saddle rail loops. I don't like them, but they are better than the Cyclos.

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[James Warren]

Funny that this came up right after I got the following reply from Avocet. I would guess that they won't be including loops, but you never know:

"James,
Currently not in production but I plan to bring them back for this coming spring. Send me your phone number so I can put you on my saddles list to contact.

Craig"

James Warren wrote:

> Dear Sirs:
>
> Your Avocet O2 saddles are my all-time favorite. Are these being made anymore?
>
> If not, is consideration ever given to making them again? I know many people out there who feel as I do about the saddle. Also, the saddle is popular among many tourists. If the saddle ever were re-introduced, there would be many cheers (at least from me!) if it were offered with saddlebag loops off the back.
>
> Well, thanks for listening.
>
> Sincerely,
> James Warren

[Scott Henry]

It might just be me, but I have never understood the need to absolutely have saddlebag loops.  I have on many various bikes just given a slight twist to the saddlebag straps and hung them over the saddle rails themselves.  Never even remotely had a problem.  It (may) not keep the saddlebag as far rearward as with loops, but its never been far enough forward to pose a problem.  For me at least.

 

I have actually had a few saddlebag straps start to wear at the thin sharp metal loops on some of my saddles and in those cases, I just as easliy secure them to the seat rails.

 

Give it a try.

 

Scott

 

 

[Anne Paulson]

I have no saddles with loops, and lots of saddlebags. But when I try
mounting the bags without loops, they twist. I've done it a lot but it
has never worked well.

> It might just be me, but I have never understood the need to absolutely have
> saddlebag loops.  I have on many various bikes just given a slight twist to
> the saddlebag straps and hung them over the saddle rails themselves.  Never
> even remotely had a problem.  It (may) not keep the saddlebag as far
> rearward as with loops, but its never been far enough forward to pose a
> problem.  For me at least.

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[James Black]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 09:31, Anne Paulson <anne.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As there is no way my son would take care of a Brooks
> saddle, any recommendations for a non-leather saddle that I could
> attach a Carradice saddlebag to?

Anne,

There were models of leather-over-foam-over-plastic saddles made by
Japanese manufacturers in the 1970s that had plastic saddle loops
formed as part of the shell. These saddles were derivative of the
Unica-Nitor style, and many of them have Brooks-style adjustable
tension screws at the front of the plastic shell. Manufacturers
include Kashima, Fujita, Elina and Ariake. You can probably find one
on eBay.

James Black
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[rob markwardt]

I'd snag that Avocet Touring saddle that Robert Perks just posted.
I've been riding one recently and it is good...says the man with a
6:2, B-17 to others ratio.

On Nov 18, 10:41 am, James Black <chocot...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Bob Cooper]

Jim Mather said:

> Not as cheap as Viva, but the QR feature is pretty handy:
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r13.htm

And I say, this thing is da bomb. I have used it on tour, and like
everything Nitto, it's great.

BUT I think it only works with Brooks saddles.

Which is unfortunate.

Others may disagree, though.

[Marc Irwin]

I have used the Viva Saddlebag loops also. They aren't the
greatest,but they work. I pu them on my folder which I use when
travelling by train.
http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2011/03/another-foldertrip-on-amtrak.html?m=0

Marc

[EricP]

I've used the Nitto grip on Terry saddles, WTB saddles and an Avocet
saddle. So, yes, I'll be disagreeing with that part.

It is a great item. Have two, although neither is on a bike at the
moment.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

[Joe Bernard]

Huh? The whole point of the Nitto handle is that it mounts to saddles without bag loops. I used one on a Specialized saddle, and only sold it here because I switched to Brookses.

 

Joe Bernard

Fairfield, CA

[Anne Paulson]

I stupidly waited to order these, and now they're unavailable from The
Bike Biz. Velo Orange is no longer selling them either. Anyone know
another supplier?

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Seth Vidal <skv...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Anne,
>  Get a WTB saddle and a set of the loops like these:
>
> http://www.thebikebiz.com/ViVa_Bag_Loops_p/com-acc-via01.htm

[Joe Bunik]

Those Viva clips look very hackable! I am thinking just a fender
"R"-clip and maybe, what, a binder clip? An old pair brake/tire
guides?

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

[Joe Bunik]

oops, forgot to paste:
http://www.thebikebiz.com/v/vspfiles/photos/COM-ACC-VIA01-4.jpg

[Jim Mather]

One UK seller has a set: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Viva-Bolt-on-Cycle-Saddle-Bag-Loops-stainless-steel-/200548186673?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item2eb19a7a31

[tarik saleh]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Anne Paulson <anne.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I stupidly waited to order these, and now they're unavailable from The
> Bike Biz. Velo Orange is no longer selling them either. Anyone know
> another supplier?
>

I have not had good experience with the viva loops, they do not
tighten down on the rails well after a while. Anecdotally I have heard
this can happen immediately. I think the coil under the bolts just
spreads out around the bolt as you tighten it allowing the clamp to
slip, shimming does not help. I think that is the main problem. But I
they are on my bike friday so i never really have time to play with
them. When I overhaul that bike at some point soon, I will try to fix
em. But I have gotten much better use out of cyclo clips over the
years. replace the bolts with stainless m4 bolts with lock nuts, use
a file to deburr and round the corner out on the slot and you are good
to go. Don't pay collector prices for them, if you can find them
used, do it. In fact, if anyone has some they want to get rid of, let
me know.

Later

Tarik

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[James Black]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:24, tarik saleh <tarik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have not had good experience with the viva loops, they do not
> tighten down on the rails well after a while. Anecdotally I have heard
> this can happen immediately.

I agree with all that. I used the Viva loops, they slipped
immediately. I tried to shim them, still no good. I had much better
luck with the Cyclo loops.

[Forrest]

Did you shim the Viva's with rubber? I haven't tried that, but just wondered if it would help with the slipping.  -- Forrest (Iowa City)

[James Black]

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:08, Forrest <ftm...@me.com> wrote:
> Did you shim the Viva's with rubber? I haven't tried that, but just wondered
> if it would help with the slipping.  -- Forrest (Iowa City)

Yes, rubber was the first thing I tried.

James Black

[Bob Cooper]

In an earlier post, I said that the Nitto saddlebag clap with quick-
release skewer (can’t remember official name of the product) only
works with Brooks saddles.

To clarify, it only positions the saddlebag where it should be
relative to the saddle, on a classic Brooks such as the Pro, B-17 and
so on.

If you attach the Nitto unit to a “modern” saddle, the Selle San Marco
Rolls, for example, you will find that it droops back there and
positions the saddlebag quite a bit lower.

If you ride a 58cm frame with 622 wheels, as I do, you will find that
your fully-loaded Nelson Long Flap is rubbing the tire. Probably with
559 wheels, too.

Sorry,

Bob with the 75cm saddle height

[PATRICK MOORE]

I found this out the hard way when I installed on on a Flite: the downward angle (Brooks rails make much closer to a 90* bend at the rear) put the saddle onto the rear tire, even though the frame was 58 cm c-c and the tires 559X23".

Does Carradice still make the original bolt-to-rails attachment that Rivendell sold many years ago? I did use that one on Flites with success.

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