Should I "Just Ride", or am I already?

[jinxed]

This is silly, but I had a question to those of you who've read the book. I had been considering getting the book the next time I place an order with RBW, then I happened to see a copy at the local B&N. I was heading out the door but stopped to skim a couple pages. My question is this...if I have been following the Readers, blug, and web articles, are there any new or different writings in the book? I realize the description is billed as a collection of micro-essays, and the couple pages I glanced at were familiar from sources I already have. Not that I mind having mutiple copies of something, and I want to support the book, I'm just curious if there is expanded and or new content? It might be the difference between getting one of the BSNY books (Ive not read or followed) now and get the Just Ride book later.

[Doug Magney]

Probably depends on your level of assimmilation of GP's previous writings. If you've been a loyal reader of his over many years I doubt you'll be shocked by any new revelations, but it's nice to have his points of view distilled down into a compendium that's easy to read and accessible. For example, I was not aware that Grant coined the term Q-factor, but that may be something I missed in his previous writings. Page for page, I say Just Ride is a better value than the latest BSNYC offering. YMMV.

[lungimsam]

I have not read all the loose stuff that has been put out over the years. But I have read whatever I have been able to find, for the most part.

There were only a couple chapters in the book that I can remember seeing elsewhere.

 

 

[jinxed]

Thank you sirs. I agree with the idea of having all the great essays and insights from Grant in one place. I think what I'll do is buy the local copy in hopes that B&N will keep restocking it, then give that copy as a gift. I'll buy one from HQ next order to keep for myself and to loan out. Even if I have read many of the same articles before, I think it's a great way to get this ideology into the hands of people who might not otherwise find it.

[Manuel Acosta]

Agreed the book is a good way of having a physical copy of grants writing. Always a good read. Fits in a jersey pocket(pretty sure that was done on purpose) so if you do like it you can give it out to the next cyclist you see.

[Bruce Herbitter]

Buying the book is also a nice way to support a guy who has done and continues to do some things that we benefit from.

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Manuel Acosta <manueljo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Agreed the book is a good way of having a physical copy of grants writing. Always a good read. Fits in a jersey pocket(pretty sure that was done on purpose) so if you do like it you can give it out to the next cyclist you see.

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On Monday, August 27, 2012 7:56:35 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

Buying the book is also a nice way to support a guy who has done and continues to do some things that we benefit from.

Yep...thats why I mentioned purchasing two copies. I want it/Grant/RBW to do well and keep the good stuff coming. Maybe if I give a copy to someone not-in-the-know...they might enjoy the refreshing point of view to cycling. 

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Or maybe they'll just think you're crazy, jinxed. :-)

I've been dropping Riv-ish tid bits on my bike-commuting bro-in-law for a couple years. He's even ridden my AHH and a friend's loaner Riv-ish Schwinn High Sierra. He seems responsive in conversation and had nothing but high praise for Homer and the Schwinn, but in the end his first criteria remains that a bike has to be sub-18lbs. He talks about getting a more comfortable bike with all the Riv-ish tid bits and fit but he can't bring himself to buy a "heavy" bike. 

--Andy

[Brewster Fong]

On Monday, August 27, 2012 10:44:02 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

Or maybe they'll just think you're crazy, jinxed. :-)

I've been dropping Riv-ish tid bits on my bike-commuting bro-in-law for a couple years. He's even ridden my AHH and a friend's loaner Riv-ish Schwinn High Sierra. He seems responsive in conversation and had nothing but high praise for Homer and the Schwinn, but in the end his first criteria remains that a bike has to be sub-18lbs. He talks about getting a more comfortable bike with all the Riv-ish tid bits and fit but he can't bring himself to buy a "heavy" bike. 

 

I don't get it, do you have to ride a "heavy" lugged steel bike that is built with fenders, racks and panniers to make a bike "Riv-ish?" 

 

My bikes are carbon and ti and I make them "Riv-ish" by doing alot of what Grant prescribes:

 

1. higher bars - my bars are at or a bit above the saddle height

2. saddle height - both of my bikes have a little bit more than a "fist full of seatpost" showing

3. tires - I run "fatter" tires than most of my friends. Instead of 700x20/22/23 pumped up to 115-120psi; I ride a 700x25 tire pumped up to 80 psi. I get plenty of comfort with, at least for me, no perceptible loss of "performance."

4. wider saddle - I love Avocet O2 saddles because they are wider than the average "ass-hatchet," opps, I mean bike saddle that mean for a guy weighing in at 140lb. This means more comfort for my fat butt!

5. lower gearing - I have compact cranks iwth low gearing (48/33 and 48/34) for years because its not only good on my knees, but allow me to climb up the steep stuff. Grant's been advocating this for years. Now, almost all my buddies have gone to "compact" cranks and some have even gone to, gasp, triples....

6. fenders - when I can fit it, depends on the carbon fork, I use Crud MK2 fenders. They're pretty minimal, especially when compared to others, and a bit flimsy, but guess what, they work! The key is figuring out whether you have clearance under the fork - especially a carbon fork.

 

Anyways, my carbon bike weighs in at about 17lb; the ti bike weighs a bit more at about 18lb. Yes, there are plenty of things on my bikes that G would looked down upon - ergo levers, carbon frame/fork. Still, I've taken what I think works for me and apply them to my bikes to make them work. You may want to aim your bro-in-law into that direction, who know he may end up with a Riv custom one of these days....Good Luck!

[Peter Morgano]

Not be banal but Rivendell bikes are lugged steel bikes. I dont think a CF bike with 25c tires is really "Rivish" at all, I mean how far are we going to strech a made up term anyway? Not hating on that kind of bike at all, rode one I have up at the parents house over the weekend and while it was really fun it would not be my choice for longer rides and comfort.  I an world where I had all the money I wanted to spend on bikes I would have a calfee and a riv custom, oh and a trike, and a Tandem, and a folder, and a fixie, and a full suspension mtb. But alas I only have a few bikes and cant personally limit myself to CF that isnt comfy/practical for all day riding over city streets. 

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Brewster: we demand photos. I want to see 17/18 lb bikes set up a la Riv.

Segwaying on to the weight issue: nobody is going to convince me that
a sub 20 lb bike with light wheels and light, supple tires can't do
things that a 35 lb bike with 47 mm Schwalbe Marathons won't. This
past weekend I enjoyed my usual mini-minor-minimal "epic" rides among
Rio Rancho, NM's hills with one special 1 mile climb; Sat using the 18
lb gofast with 23 mm 650c Michelin Pro Race 3s, and Sun using the '03
Curt, prolly 24-5 lb, plus added mini Packers, with 32 mm Kojaks; both
same route with a 1 mile climb. 75" versus 72". The gofast climbs
faster. It just does. Not hugely, but I can tell the difference. And
as for the Fargo ...

That said, my Fargo weighs, I am sure, north of 35 with the fat
wheelset and I enjoy it immensely.

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-08-27 at 15:10 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Brewster: we demand photos. I want to see 17/18 lb bikes set up a la
> Riv.

I wonder, are these the bikes the Kool Kids on the VSalon and Paceline
Forums refer to as "FasterBackwards"??

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-08-27 at 17:00 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Not be banal but Rivendell bikes are lugged steel bikes. I dont think
> a CF bike with 25c tires is really "Rivish" at all, I mean how far are
> we going to strech a made up term anyway? Not hating on that kind of
> bike at all, rode one I have up at the parents house over the weekend
> and while it was really fun it would not be my choice for longer rides
> and comfort.

Clearly there are two aspects of Rivendell bicycles, steel tubing and
lugged construction, that no Ti or carbon bike will have. But it's not
hard to imagine Ti bikes that have Rivendellian characteristics.

I saw one on the road the other day, a Hampsten Strada Bianca with long
reach sidepulls, nominally 27mm but actual width 30 mm Challenge
Parigi-Roubaix tires, longer than "usual" chainstays, all typical for
Rivendells, and indeed a bicycle very much at home on gravel roads
(that's what "Strada Bianca" means). Crank was again typical Riv fare,
a Sugino square taper crank with what looked like a 46T or smaller big
ring.

It belongs to a guy I know on the VSalon forum who lives not far from
me, and it's his daily commuter -- again, certainly "Rivish". Of
course, it had brifters and a carbon fork, that last anathema in
Rivworld, but if there was such a thing as a Titanium Rivendell, this
would have been it.

I've not ridden it, but I would confidently expect it to be very
comfortable for long rides.

[jinxed]

To follow the hijack...today I rode my lugged steel Rivendell on the same exact 20mi route I rode yesterday on my full carbon Cannondale cross bike. I had equal fun. Who gives a fuck...like the book says "Just Ride".

[Will]

My next door neighbor is the same. He bought a new aluminum race bike. All the tubes are ovalized. The frame has less flex than a rock. The tires are 22mm. It might fit 24s... but that would be a push. He's 200 pounds and fixing pinch flats every week.

[Anne Paulson]

"Fixing pinch flats every week" is the relevant detail here. If
someone has a race bike (carbon fiber, aluminum, whatever), loves it,
does exactly the rides they want on it, and feels perfectly
comfortable-- well then, more power to them! But it's sad when someone
buys a bike that doesn't work for them, because they were swayed by
racing bike standards that aren't appropriate for the kind of riding
they want to do.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Will <waller....@gmail.com> wrote:


> My next door neighbor is the same. He bought a new aluminum race bike. All
> the tubes are ovalized. The frame has less flex than a rock. The tires are
> 22mm. It might fit 24s... but that would be a push. He's 200 pounds and
> fixing pinch flats every week.

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-08-27 at 15:20 -0700, Will wrote:
> My next door neighbor is the same. He bought a new aluminum race bike.
> All the tubes are ovalized. The frame has less flex than a rock. The
> tires are 22mm. It might fit 24s... but that would be a push. He's 200
> pounds and fixing pinch flats every week.

He's definitely doing something wrong: insufficient tire pressure for
his weight, perhaps, or maybe he doesn't know how to "ride light." Of
course, 24mm tires would help, in that he could use less pressure.

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Wow! didn't intend to stir the "Riv=Heavy" pot. "Heavy" is/was my bro-in-laws word... relative to his non-riv-ish set-up CF bikes. As in... he praises the comfort, full-fenders, rack-ability, lugged beauty, and smooth riding 40mm tires of my Hilsen then finishes up by saying something like "but I just can't see riding a bike that's over 18lbs."   

When I judge a bike I'm interested in what it can do. Can I haul a kid on it? How much cargo can it carry? Can I hook my trailer up to it? Can I ride it on as well as off road? Can I hop the curb with whatever load I'm carrying to take the lane on the Sellwood Bridge if there's oncoming bike/ped traffic on the sidewalk? Can I comfortably ride it in the rain? Does it have lights/reflectors for riding after dark? Weight never really comes into the picture in my mind. 

Regarding the book... as others have said, I got a few new bits of info from it, but more than that it's nice to have so many of Grants thoughts in one place. And despite what my my failed attempt at humor above might imply, I hope you do share a copy of Just Ride, jinxed, and that it finds it's way into receptive hands. 

"Ride it like you earned it" --seen on a sticker on a bike helmet in Seattle

--Andy 

[PATRICK MOORE]

Agree. My brother is at least 40 lb heavier than my 175 (at 4" taller)
and happily rides 23s (nominal) at well under 100 psi (because he is
casual about tire pressure) on LA streets -- heck, for that matter,
he's taken his RB-1 with 23s into the mountains near Santa Monica.
Note that he does not choose 23s as such; he's cheap and has so many
bikes that he uses what he scavenges, mostly.

OTOH, I'd rather (as the man said) stab myself in the eye than ride an
aluminum frame with oversized, ovalized tubes and skinny tires. Fat
tires, maybe.

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[Will]

My thinking is that he's simply too heavy for the tires. I'm thinking 135-145 pounds are about what those tires can support.
There are no professional racers pushing 200 pounds.

Also, I think it is dangerous to ride 22mm tires on a carbon fork. You're pushing the pressure limits and doing so on a fork that probably won't support a flat at speed. 

[Eric Platt]

Everyone looks at this differently. With my weight of 230, even 38mm tires seem to be on the verge of too skinny.  It's why my bike choices are changing.  Probably going to end up with 45 to 60mm wide tires eventually on whatever I keep. 

 

 

Eric Platt

St. Paul, MN

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-08-27 at 20:19 -0700, Will wrote:
> My thinking is that he's simply too heavy for the tires. I'm thinking
> 135-145 pounds are about what those tires can support.
> There are no professional racers pushing 200 pounds.

I don't know about 22mm, but almost everyone I know who uses 23mm tires
is above 145 pounds. I used them for at least 10 years @ 200 lb, and I
have friends who weigh 220 and over who use 23mm tires. You do have to
run them at high pressure, of course: 120 psi for a 200 lb rider.

> Also, I think it is dangerous to ride 22mm tires on a carbon fork.
> You're pushing the pressure limits and doing so on a fork that
> probably won't support a flat at speed.

Why more dangerous with carbon than with any other fork material? I
don't see that at all.

[Robert Zeidler]

Ah yes the Vsalon frat boys!

When I relayed my story of getting burned by Curt Goodrich for a large frame deposit, you would have thought I was slaying the mothers.

They threw me off the list. Then all of these members started emailing me with similar stories.

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[Robert Zeidler]

I have a couple of bikes from Seven and a new Calfee built to the "Adventure" spec. They are all "Riv-ish" in spec and set up, all at least 67 cm, and not one weighs over 20 lbs.

I also attempted to sell recently, a 64 Sam, brand new, which did not sell without giving it away. This past weekend, and tweaked the fit a bit and took it out for about 40-ish miles. All I kept thinking was, "Boy this bike is comfy". Not that the others aren't- I've done double-metrics on all, but after a while, I backed off a bit and just rode this bike in it's sweet spot. Boy, it was comfy :)

And I kept staring at the stunning orange paint.

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[Robert Zeidler]

A heavier rider will make an over-sprung vehicle feel just about right. If pumped up to max inflation those tires will ride the same as a lighter rider riding them at 80. 

I spent years on 66 cm Cannondales, and once I got it dialed.....

Lighter riders mileage will vary

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[PATRICK MOORE]

From a conversation on the CR list:
http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/CoolBikes/Bulgier/Laurie's/HotTubes_Davidson(big).jpg

Lugged, steel, and per Bulgier the article got it wrong: the frame is
sub **2.5** lb, the fork sub 1 lb. He said that his wife rode it
agressively for years, tossed it into vans, took it to Europe and, in
fact, commuted on it for years. It lasted 18 years until the st
cracked just where he'd indented it slightly to accomodate the rear
wheel *and* where he'd brazed on a fd tab.

I saw one of Bulgier's bikes here in ABQ, belonging to wife of former
Albuquerquean, iBoblistmember, lugged steel rider and mega mileage
peddler ("I only did 9,000 miles, it was a bad year"). A much larger
frame -- 58? -- and afaik not a lightened one, but beautiful in a zen
aesthetic with perfectly filed long point lugs and a medium grey
finish that didn't look industrial.

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:35:28 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On Mon, 2012-08-27 at 20:19 -0700, Will wrote:
> My thinking is that he's simply too heavy for the tires. I'm thinking
> 135-145 pounds are about what those tires can support.
> There are no professional racers pushing 200 pounds.

I don't know about 22mm, but almost everyone I know who uses 23mm tires
is above 145 pounds.  I used them for at least 10 years @ 200 lb, and I
have friends who weigh 220 and over who use 23mm tires.  You do have to
run them at high pressure, of course: 120 psi for a 200 lb rider.

Agree, I know guys who are in the 140-200+lb range that use 700x23 @ 120psi. I'm thinking they're feeling every crack, bump and divot on the road! Further, they got to be bouncing up and down with that much psi. Still, they "love it," as they think they're jamming up and down the road just like the pros!  Funny thing is I'm either with them or right behind them with my 25s @ 80psi....and btw, I'm riding very comfortably too!

> Also, I think it is dangerous to ride 22mm tires on a carbon fork.
> You're pushing the pressure limits and doing so on a fork that
> probably won't support a flat at speed.  

Why more dangerous with carbon than with any other fork material?  I
don't see that at all.

 

A front flat "at speeds," whether on a carbon fork or any other material, is not going to be good.  Still, there are 10s of thousands, no hundred of thousands of bike on the road, if not more, with carbon forks. Probably a good 90% of them are using 700x23 (that may measure 22mm wide) and there really doesn't seem to be a problem. If these carbon forks were as *fragile* as claimed, I'm sure with the interweb, we would all know about it. Yet, that's not the case.  Therefore, If you're paranoia about carbon forks causing a crash at speed, don't use one......Good Luck!

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 11:45 -0700, Brewster Fong wrote:
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> Agree, I know guys who are in the 140-200+lb range that use 700x23 @
> 120psi. I'm thinking they're feeling every crack, bump and divot on
> the road! Further, they got to be bouncing up and down with that much
> psi. Still, they "love it," as they think they're jamming up and down
> the road just like the pros! Funny thing is I'm either with them or
> right behind them with my 25s @ 80psi....and btw, I'm riding very
> comfortably too!

I won't argue that a 23mm tire at 120 psi is superior to a 25mm at 80 or
80. That would be silly.

However, I did use Michelin 23mm tires @ 120 psi, weighing 200 lb, for
at least 10 years on my Ti Spectrum. I started with the Supercomp HD
and stayed with the top line tire as it changed names over the years.
They were quite comfortable, and no bouncing up and down. That only
happens when you use high pressure and are light weight. With 0.1 tons
of road hugging weight pressing down mashing you to the road, especially
on a supple tire, you do retain good contact with the pavement. Of
course, that Spectrum /is/ titanium, and it is a very flexible frame.

Although, if you really want to experience some serious hammering,
inflate your 25s up to 120 and go ride a rough road.

[Brewster Fong]

Yes, the old Michelin Supercompe HD - those were GREAT TIRES!  I don't know what it was about those tires, may be they actually measured 25mm, but they rode great and were very comfortable. I use to pump them up to 110psi and really enjoyed them.  I wouldn't buy anything else. When they were discontinued, I migrated to Avocet Fasgrip 700x28 - which was basically a mislableled 24/25mm wide tire. I've been using 25s every since. I still favor the Michelin  and have both the recently discontinued Pro3s and the Lithion. I like the latter as its cheap, true to size and very durable. Further, I don't feel any difference from the more expensive Pro3s.

 

<Although, if you really want to experience some serious hammering,
inflate your 25s up to 120 and go ride a rough road.>

 

No thanks! I'm into comfort with my 25s @ 80psi. Good Luck!

 

 

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 14:04 -0700, Brewster Fong wrote:
>

> Yes, the old Michelin Supercompe HD - those were GREAT TIRES! I don't
> know what it was about those tires, may be they actually measured
> 25mm, but they rode great and were very comfortable. I use to pump
> them up to 110psi and really enjoyed them.

I thought the world of them, too. Only tires I've ever seen that
acquired their siping via OJT: they'd develop a tread cut at the sight
of a glass shard, but never seemed to flat for that reason. Worth every
penny of the $50 each they cost, even though they only lasted 1,000
miles.

> I wouldn't buy anything else. When they were discontinued, I migrated
> to Avocet Fasgrip 700x28 - which was basically a mislableled 24/25mm
> wide tire. I've been using 25s every since. I still favor the Michelin
> and have both the recently discontinued Pro3s and the Lithion. I like
> the latter as its cheap, true to size and very durable. Further, I
> don't feel any difference from the more expensive Pro3s.

I'll keep that in mind. I just mounted the last of the Pro2Race I
bought in a group buy organzied on one of the forums a few years ago.
They were around $25 each, and came from Belgium. Quite a deal, and
they seem to really last a long time. Of course, they don't look as
nice as the old Supercomp HD...

>
> <Although, if you really want to experience some serious hammering,
> inflate your 25s up to 120 and go ride a rough road.>
>
> No thanks! I'm into comfort with my 25s @ 80psi. Good Luck!
>
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[PATRICK MOORE]

I ride nominal 23s at about 85/95 at 175. My brother, as I said --
this weekend I he had his new Sequoia with scavenged Schwalbe Duremes,
23 actual, and he's not careful about checking his tires. His RB1 is
taken on dirt with nothing more than 25s -- will have to ask if they
are in fact 23s. And he too has a vast experience of tires. I don't
feel every bump; perhaps the long Rivendell wheelbase helps; my
brother does not complain either. More: I have to reduce the 32 mm
Kojaks (35s on the Fargo) to 50/55 before they become significatly
more comfortable than the Pro Race 3s or the Turbos or the Contis.
Note too that these tires are 559 and 571, thus more liable to cracks
than arger 622s.

Nor do I get pinch flats; I wonder at those who do. The only time in
the last -- since I can remember that I've pinched is when I rode into
a litter of heavy, large gravel tat speed to see what would happen.

Note too that I know fat and soft: I routinely run my 60 mm Big Apples
at sub 15/sub 20 -- on pavement.

Riding light? I don't try, but perhaps it is second nature. Are our
roads in NM exceptionally good? Ryan?

Upshot: I don't get people who think narrows are horribly
uncomfortable or those who think all users pump them rock hard.

Anyone is welcome to try my gofast with Michel Pro Race 3s. I bought
those because they were on sale; yes, I'd prefer the 25s but didn't
see them advertised -- 650 c. But I've ridden 559 Turbos and 571
Contis for years. I commuted on the 22-actual Turbos. I don't bounce.
I recognized the strangely cushy ride of Turbos back, oh, circal 1989
-- 90 when I compared them with 1.25" Fatboys inflated to the sidewell
pressure -- yes, stupid, I know, but as I say, I have to ride 32/35
Kojacks at sub 60 to feel smoother. I have absolutely no desire to
jam like the pros -- would such a poser ride one of my Rivendell
fixies?

Nuance, my friends, nuance: reality is nuanced.

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[Leslie]

Meant to reply to this sooner; missed getting back to it 'till now...

I bought two; one to be my keeper, and then another to be my loaner.

While its true that if you're on the RBW-Owners-Bunch, you are probably well versed in it; however, I have to admit, one of the early chapters had some advice in it that I'd not read before, and it's proven to be a tidbit that was a realization for me, something I'd might've almost seemed to have had an inkling about but never quite put a finger on; after reading it, it took some woolin' over, some digesting, then some attempts at practicing such, working through it, it finally caught...

Well worth picking up, for me, at least....

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Aww, man, don't keep us in suspense....

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[Leslie]

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:37:50 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

Aww, man, don't keep us in suspense....

Didn't think it'd be 'that' interesting, but, since ya asked...

For me, right off the bat, selection #4, on page 7... 'heavy rider, hard hill'....  

Ya know, I'm a horrible hill climber.  Get off and push up things that I'd be thinking to myself, 'man, this is the kind of hill a bike is made for zooming over'....
(Part of the reason I can't comprehend picking a fixed or a singlespeed over derailleurs... I mean, sure, DON'T change gears if you don't want to, but, in case you do, there they are...)

I'd somehow come to the conclusion in the back of my head that, though, if I can walk up something, I should be able to get up it faster on a bike, not have to spin up it at a slower-than-walking pace, or get off and walk up it.   But, everytime I'd hit a climb, off I'd hop....

Having in print, from Grant, an inkling that I'd suspected right, but had never quite come 'round to it... but there, reading that, it started to click.  

I'm still not a hill climber, but I've found that, by pretending I'm a sprinter (watching Peter Segan in the TdF whipping the bike back and forth, actually helped this idea along), I can power up some hills that I'd not before, using my weight to help, coming down on each side harder than I'd done before...  
  
Have started to even look forward to hills, to practice it.  I'm not as smooth as I want yet;  I get whipped when it's too long or too steep, but, I've already gotten better. 

Anyhow... that tidbit was worth the price of admission...   for me, at least....

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Made sense to me, too. 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Should I "Just Ride", or am I already?

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[Toshi Takeuchi]

One thing I do when I climb out of the saddle (I don't know if it's
right or efficient or whatever--I ain't a racer....) is to push down
on the pedal with my body weight through my hip--not my legs (force
the pedal down with the hip). With every pedal stroke, I think
hip-hip-hip-hip to myself. This saves my quads from work and engages a
different muscle group--I feel my butt muscle on the side. If I don't
think of my hip, then my inclination is to power my weight down
through my leg (rather than my hip) and I tend to tire my leg using my
quad muscle, which I try to conserve as much as I can.

--Don't know if it's any help, but it works for me...

Toshi