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islaysteve
Feb 28, 2012, 11:06:44 PM2/28/12
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I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
Stephen S
Feb 28, 2012, 11:30:38 PM2/28/12
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The notecards, posters, and postcards are all bike stuff. They shouldn't even count in the marginally-bicycle stuff category in my opinion. Now granted they aren't bike components, accessories, or clothing but they should still be called bike stuff. I like the posters and have bought some to put up as art around my apartment and intend to buy more posters from Riv and hopefully more of the Hiawatha Cyclery posters http://www.hiawathacyclery.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=348&zenid=e788da27f59e5935eb10a33310ea30c5.
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
For me it adds to the cycling culture. I don't see myself ever buying into all of Grant's ideas but I see the value in a good amount of them. I pick and choose the things that I care about and am interested in. I would hate to see everything ancillary to the frames, parts, and accessories removed from Rivendell.
Stephen
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
Tim McNamara
Feb 29, 2012, 12:34:09 AM2/29/12
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On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:06 PM, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
Umm. Grant has weird nuts? OK that was immature, I know what Steve meant and I shouldn't click send but it made me laugh. It's been one of those days and I apologize to anyone who might be offended by my occasionally Beavis-y humor.
I like the variety of stuff at Riv and whenever I am shopping I check those things out. I find that Grant and I often have some similar notions about what's neat (currently it's puukko and Barlow knives. If you haven't checked out puukko knives, do a web search. There are some astonishing knives hand made by Finnish and non-Finnsh masters. Check out some of these: http://www.onoma.org/arkisto/nayttelyt/puukko/puukkoen.htm) and I like what he finds and puts up for sale. And sometimes there's a neat story about the artisan(s) behind the items and that's cool too.
A real challenge as a business for Riv is that they sell good stuff that doesn't wear out. I bought an All-Rounder in 1996 and haven't worn it out yet. Bought Phil hubs and it seems like they will outlive me. Nitto stem and bars, gonna last a long while yet. Brooks saddle, ditto (and it's 35 years old already). SunTour derailleurs still going strong. Good stuff but not replaced every two years. The problem with selling good durable products is that you keep needing new customers because your old customers aren't coming in all the time to replace worn out unrepairables. Do Riv a favor and send 'em new customers!
Now if only I could get freewheels as fine shifting, perfectly geared, quietly coasting and nice looking as the old Sachs ARIS 12-24 7 speeds (maybe with harder cogs that don't wear out so fast). I'm down to my last one (Jim, don't tell Mongo I put one of those back on my bike...). Maybe I can find a machinist to make me replacement cogs from stainless...
Bruce Herbitter
Feb 29, 2012, 12:54:01 AM2/29/12
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"Although, on the topic of tents, here’s me at 23 in 1977 standing alongside my Rivendell Mountain Works Bombshelter. On Mt. Shasta, and 80 mph winds."
Now that is a postcard that would sell. Seriously.
Now that is a postcard that would sell. Seriously.
William
Feb 29, 2012, 12:58:30 AM2/29/12
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If you want to diss Rivendell's fiscally questionable maneuvers, go no further than their offer to pay you $20 if you'll subscribe to Yehuda Moon for $12. Who's the bigger fool? Riv for offering it? Or you for not taking advantage? Crazy like a fox, I tell you!
Aaron Thomas
Feb 29, 2012, 1:02:04 AM2/29/12
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I have no position on Riv's business practices here, but on the subject of today's Blug post, I'd sure like to see a full photo of the Molteni-orange-ish bike with the Campy crank. Is it a custom? A Roadeo? And why does the customer want it off? Seems like a nifty looking crank to me.
Aaron
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
Aaron
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff. And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not. I get this. But still. Maybe I've been away from California for too long. Planning a visit soon. Open for discussion (RBW, that is). Cheers, Steve
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
Rex Kerr
Feb 29, 2012, 1:04:00 AM2/29/12
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, William <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:
If you want to diss Rivendell's fiscally questionable maneuvers, go no further than their offer to pay you $20 if you'll subscribe to Yehuda Moon for $12. Who's the bigger fool? Riv for offering it? Or you for not taking advantage? Crazy like a fox, I tell you!
Yeah, that's quite a giveaway... I'd feel guilty for accepting it; though I've been considering signing up for YM anyhow.
dougP
Feb 29, 2012, 1:17:05 AM2/29/12
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Yehuda Moon is worth full retail; I signed up as soon as Rick re-
launched the strip, & have gotten my year's worth of laughs already.
With the deal Grant is offering, you can't go wrong.
The "little goodies" are hard to criticize but I can see stuff like
that being a bit of drag on profits. The upcoming Rivendell poster is
intriguing, and I need some balance for the Hiawatha posters :). I
got one the metric tape measures a few years back, and that's a
stretch to being bike related. It's nice to have some odd bits like
that, but it could be easy to get carried away.
dougP
On Feb 28, 5:04 pm, Rex Kerr <rexk...@gmail.com> wrote:
launched the strip, & have gotten my year's worth of laughs already.
With the deal Grant is offering, you can't go wrong.
The "little goodies" are hard to criticize but I can see stuff like
that being a bit of drag on profits. The upcoming Rivendell poster is
intriguing, and I need some balance for the Hiawatha posters :). I
got one the metric tape measures a few years back, and that's a
stretch to being bike related. It's nice to have some odd bits like
that, but it could be easy to get carried away.
dougP
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Bruce Herbitter
Feb 29, 2012, 1:18:57 AM2/29/12
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Me 2.
Mike
Feb 29, 2012, 1:54:55 AM2/29/12
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On Feb 28, 4:54 pm, Bruce Herbitter <bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Although, on the topic of tents, here’s me at 23 in 1977 standing
> alongside my Rivendell Mountain
> Works<http://rivendellmountainworks.com/about.html>Bombshelter. On Mt.
> "Although, on the topic of tents, here’s me at 23 in 1977 standing
> alongside my Rivendell Mountain
> Shasta, and 80 mph winds."
>
> Now that is a postcard that would sell. Seriously.
I'd like to hear more from Grant about his touring, camping, and
>
> Now that is a postcard that would sell. Seriously.
cycling excursions in the 70s and early 80s. I absolutely love that
photo of him on Shasta. I also love Grant's tangential rambling blog
post. It's one of the many quirky things I love about Rivendell.
As for Yehuda Moon... just not my thing.
--mike
rw1911
Feb 29, 2012, 2:12:49 AM2/29/12
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Interesting that the crank is no cooperating as it looks like an Ultra-
torque which has a split spindle. They should be able to just remove
the 10mm bolt and wiggle the two halves apart?
torque which has a split spindle. They should be able to just remove
the 10mm bolt and wiggle the two halves apart?
EricP
Feb 29, 2012, 2:13:19 AM2/29/12
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Agree on Mr. Moon & Co., although I have to have the comments section
"off" to truly enjoy the strip. Been re-subscribed since the strip re-
launched. (Was also a patron before the hiatus.)
As to what Rivendell sells, that is their choice. They happen to be
my source for Kookaburra and shaving cream. But not everything
catches my eye. But it is amazing after a few years how much of the
stuff they sell has ended up at my place.
Might not be able to justify multiple Rivendell bikes, but do have
multiple MUSA knickers. (As well as pants, shorts and most other
clothing.)
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
"off" to truly enjoy the strip. Been re-subscribed since the strip re-
launched. (Was also a patron before the hiatus.)
As to what Rivendell sells, that is their choice. They happen to be
my source for Kookaburra and shaving cream. But not everything
catches my eye. But it is amazing after a few years how much of the
stuff they sell has ended up at my place.
Might not be able to justify multiple Rivendell bikes, but do have
multiple MUSA knickers. (As well as pants, shorts and most other
clothing.)
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
Peter Pesce
Feb 29, 2012, 2:15:26 AM2/29/12
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"Stuff Grant thinks is neat" is a tricky business model. Obviously there is a strong core of people who think that bike stuff-Grant-thinks-is-neat is neat, but the model would obviously be weaker at the margins. Riv always seemed least strong as a lifestyle company, most strong as a bicycle maker. As long as the lifestyle accoutrements don't drag down the bike company, no harm done. But at the first sign of trouble, and we've all been privvy to those signs, I'd lose the postcards, and other peripheral niceties long before I got rid of the SimpleOne and SlickerSack.
Pete in CT
Tim McNamara
Feb 29, 2012, 2:57:14 AM2/29/12
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I'm signed up already and digging the comics, so while I did it I'm not sending an e-mail to Grant for a $20 credit. It'd be money badly spent for Riv.
benzzoy
Feb 29, 2012, 3:12:41 AM2/29/12
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It's probably Ultra-Torque's cost-saving cousin, Power-Torque. It's
essentially the same design as the Shimano Hollowtech II or SRAM
cranks, with the complete BB spindle being rigidly attached to the
right (drive) side arm; however, unlike the Shimano or SRAM cranks
that uses a spline+pinch bolt method, the Power-Torque uses a conical
spline system that does not have a self-extracting method. Thus the
clunky pulley puller you see in the picture that Mark was wrestling
with (apparently unsuccessfully).
I would guess the left arm probably wasn't tightened to spec, or the
interface wasn't lubricated/prepared during installation, such that
the arm had seized onto the BB spindle. I mean, if a pulley puller
can't extract it and even apparently broken during use, the arm's
pretty stuck on there. I wonder if they had tried heat. Aluminum
(arm) and steel (BB spindle) have different thermal expansion
coefficients...
essentially the same design as the Shimano Hollowtech II or SRAM
cranks, with the complete BB spindle being rigidly attached to the
right (drive) side arm; however, unlike the Shimano or SRAM cranks
that uses a spline+pinch bolt method, the Power-Torque uses a conical
spline system that does not have a self-extracting method. Thus the
clunky pulley puller you see in the picture that Mark was wrestling
with (apparently unsuccessfully).
I would guess the left arm probably wasn't tightened to spec, or the
interface wasn't lubricated/prepared during installation, such that
the arm had seized onto the BB spindle. I mean, if a pulley puller
can't extract it and even apparently broken during use, the arm's
pretty stuck on there. I wonder if they had tried heat. Aluminum
(arm) and steel (BB spindle) have different thermal expansion
coefficients...
cyclotourist
Feb 29, 2012, 3:14:28 AM2/29/12
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Grant Petersen and Rick Smith have never been seen together in public.
Coincidence?
I think not!
Coincidence?
I think not!
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Feb 29, 2012, 3:24:04 AM2/29/12
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So Fiskars the scissors company is Finnish in origin, founded in 1649?
Just rocked my world.
I saw the dateline on the knife-making article, and thought, "Fiskars,
that's a coincidence." Only not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiskars
Philip
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Just rocked my world.
I saw the dateline on the knife-making article, and thought, "Fiskars,
that's a coincidence." Only not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiskars
Philip
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Robert F. Harrison
Feb 29, 2012, 3:25:57 AM2/29/12
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I have to agree. I signed up in early January so the credit really wouldn't be doing it's job. I'm just going to pass on it.
Bob
Aloha,
Bob
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I'm signed up already and digging the comics, so while I did it I'm not sending an e-mail to Grant for a $20 credit. It'd be money badly spent for Riv.
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:14:28 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
Grant Petersen and Rick Smith have never been seen together in public.
Coincidence?
I think not!
Philip Williamson
Feb 29, 2012, 5:25:04 AM2/29/12
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Like a Volvo 122 rear brake drum... torch, puller, torch, puller,
torch, puller. No one is probably that excited about burning the paint
off the BB shell just to get the cranks off, though. That just reminds
me how much I hate working on cars. Bikes are bad enough.
Philip
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torch, puller. No one is probably that excited about burning the paint
off the BB shell just to get the cranks off, though. That just reminds
me how much I hate working on cars. Bikes are bad enough.
Philip
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Sean Whelan
Feb 29, 2012, 11:17:43 AM2/29/12
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RE: Campagnolo UT Cranks - That is not the use for the tool in the photo. The tool is the bearing puller, to be used to pull the bearing off the crank. The crank is removed with an 8mm allen wrench.
The two halves of the split spindle are held together with an allen bolt. Once the bolt is removed (cheap low cost tool) the cranks SHOULD come right out. Even easier than a crank arm puller and a 10mm wrench like the square taper ones.
I had an UT bearing seize, and despite that, removing the crank arms was as easy as undoing a single allen bolt.
Removing the bearings for replacement requires the tool in the photo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ7VlQkCT9M
I don't get it.
Sean
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Sean Whelan
Feb 29, 2012, 11:32:08 AM2/29/12
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I stand corrected. The crank in Grant's photo must be the new Power Torque. It does not have the split spindle, and seems to be guilty of all the sins that Grant notes. (fancy tools, etc.)
see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HfNMgKB1U0
Ouch.
Sean
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J L
Feb 29, 2012, 1:29:33 AM2/29/12
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The BB shell and threaded fender boss match the ones used on the Roadeo.
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