[Metacaugs] peeragogy party - notes from chat

[Joe Corneli]

20:02:08 From joe : https://hackmd.io/4RET3RUoQJ6WLih_5OarMw
20:04:45 From Lauren Nignon : I can’t edit the HackMD doc. Sorry!
20:05:33 From Pares Cooperativa : Hi to everyone! :-)
20:06:04 From Roland Legrand : Hi!
20:06:23 From Robert Best : if the audio is off or unbearable for others... just let me know... I have no idea how loud it is for you
20:06:42 From Lauren Nignon : Sorry, it’s unbearable…keeps going in and out
20:06:44 From mwl : it's modulated by Joe's voice
20:06:57 From Jim Mc Gee : can either watch Joe’s screen or listen to your audio here but not both
20:07:06 From Roland Legrand : it’s a bit Star Trek like, especially in a strange interstellar modulation
20:07:43 From mwl : I vote to kill the backtrack
20:07:45 From Lisa : I can hear the sound and barely can hear Joe.
20:07:50 From Lauren Nignon : I can’t hear Joe
20:08:11 From Robert Best : ugh, joe... I think its best if you play audio on your side... otherwise Im not able to able to see your screenshare
20:08:15 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : It is Zoom seding data to Zuckhemberg MUsic Hall Orchestra?
20:08:22 From Roland Legrand : Not today
20:08:36 From Lisa : Thanks!
20:09:59 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Stop and restart recording...
20:10:08 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Is it possible?
20:15:25 From Charlie : Michel's intro where he mentioned using games to design future made me think about this paper Game design fiction: Bridging mediation through games and design fiction to facilitate anticipation-oriented thinking http://anticipationconference.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Anticipation_2019_paper_38.pdf
20:15:56 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Collective intelligence...
20:21:13 From Robert Best : https://discuss.openlearning.cc/t/meta-patterns-what-are-the-most-common-properties-in-pattern-templates/106

^^ Mentioned Peeragogy here about your pattern template
20:21:56 From Charlie : thanks Robert!
20:22:24 From Lisa : From the United States. I hope not.
20:22:36 From Robert Best : The miro board might have got messed up recently. But I will continue mapping ere...

https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_kwyBtRA=/

Seems I can't make a dual link to join the team and edit the map anymore :(
20:23:22 From Robert Best : freestyle?
20:23:46 From Lisa : Wrap = summary (pretty much)
20:24:45 From Lauren Nignon : https://coggle.it/diagram/Xmdp7uMesKpsXgKP/t/cicolab-session-on-love-bombs-our-website-at-www-cicolab-org
20:25:40 From Charlie : wrap! https://github.com/Peeragogy/Peeragogy.github.io/wiki/Monthly-Wrap:-February-2020
20:27:11 From Charlie : & Lauren we'll look into doing a rap in the future!
20:29:46 From Charlie : you can get epub here https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/peeragogy/uGCY0l8FzdY
20:29:54 From Charlie : ciao for now y'all!!!
20:31:34 From Lisa : Jim McGee I went through the Japanese Eq and saw the impact to supply chains first hand. May be interesting to chat.
20:37:23 From Robert Best : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resources,_events,_agents_(accounting_model)
20:39:35 From charles blass : link to this doc pls?
20:41:36 From Robert Best : Seems like all the relvant links are in the hackmd, but this is the spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WX2mm2X0tdkbFZwjV2HvYacVEcIiWiyTlHv-ChnQWNw/edit#gid=0
20:41:46 From charles blass : thx rob
20:41:52 From Lisa : Language and Cultural difference that result in misunderstandings or poor communication
20:43:14 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Lack of cash money or capacity to spend money
20:43:51 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : Agreed, Lisa. We are assuming that we can communicate with each other, but we are very different, we come from different experiences, values, languages.
20:44:03 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Are we trying to find very bad situation?
20:44:27 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : Justice?
20:45:26 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : Solidarity
20:45:39 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Tolerance?
Laicity
20:46:19 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Tolerance?
20:47:23 From Lauren Nignon : @Graziano, Laicity= secularism
20:47:52 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Thanks! @Lauren
20:52:05 From Charlotte Pierce : Sorry I was out walking with daughter at the beginning of the session - I can observe

20:54:05 From Robert Best : “By 2030, we’ll have built a more equitable world by overcoming ______ (challenge). Society will be organized around ________ (value), and _________(tool) will be a commonplace tool used to combat or control _______ (challenge, same as first challenge)"

21:11:09 From Robert Best : “By 2030, we’ll have built a more equitable world by overcoming Internet Shut Down. Society will be organized around COLLABORATION , and MAPS will be a commonplace tool used to combat or control Internet Shut Down)"

21:11:52 From joe : **“By 2030, we’ll have built a more equitable world by overcoming TROLLS (challenge). Society will be organized around LOVE, and PATTERNS will be a commonplace tool used to combat or control TROLLS' negative effects by gathering data and understanding how things work to make them fit together better.  E.g., give difficult kids a roll within the school.**

21:13:53 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : Nice
21:14:00 From charles blass : “By 2030, we’ll have built a more equitable world by overcoming __POWER CONCENTRATED WITH THE WEALTHY.____ (challenge). Society will be organized around ____FAIRNESS.____ (value), and _____SOCIAL ENTERPRISES/IMPACT INVESTING.____(tool) will be a commonplace tool used to combat or control ___POWER CONCENTRATED WITH THE WEALTHY.____ (challenge, same as first challenge)"
documentarian
tell compelling stories re investments, successes

- lisa & charles
21:16:07 From charles blass : @roland & group - didn't see lsd on the tools list
21:17:11 From joe : DIGITAL DIVIDE, fight using FAIRNESS and EQUALITY of OPPORTUNITY. Using a FARM/VILLAGE with fun events. WITH Added bonus, bring friends w/ low interenet. Invited to build videos, VR, AR experiences.... AND work together to build a network of information disseminating plans
21:17:16 From joe : PLANTS
21:17:22 From charles blass : love that idea
21:18:48 From Roland Legrand : By 2030 we'll combat the digital divided by organizing farmer holiday villages, kids could work with animals, play games. There is an added bonus for those who bring friends without internet connection or low quality internet.

We would have a farmer's newspaper or news site. People would be invited to shoot video, record audio, write texts.

A network of information disseminating plants connecting the various parts of the farm.
21:18:52 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : I like Roland's subtke irony :-))
21:19:13 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : *subtle
21:19:44 From Roland Legrand : (The farm’s newspaper would also use AR and VR since we would be in 2030)
21:22:46 From Charlotte Pierce : I am not able to take notes rn, sorry
21:27:34 From Melanie To joe(Privately) : I’m interested in supporting the food supply chain piece
21:29:42 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : What are you writing the paper? Why are you using the traditional way of writing to talk about the future?
21:30:06 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : Old formats
21:30:15 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : For what purpose?
21:31:32 From charles blass : @joe @lauren
goes along with cicolab value/ agenda of transparent sharing of mistakes, breaking down silos, enabling accelerated learning from mistakes

'greatest flops remixed' is a great term we could adopt
21:35:09 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : Sharing mistakes is extremely valuable
21:35:58 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : To analyze our own mistakes is also valuable
21:39:45 From charles blass : https://medium.com/@zoecorneli/fiction-as-the-future-of-news-405bce4d85de  
21:39:57 From charles blass : <-> #crapdetection
21:40:28 From Charlotte Pierce : CSA = Collaborative Learning Assessment ???
21:45:46 From charles blass : "Swan Song"
21:49:28 From Martin Dow : flip it - that's cartography - mapping the funders with a cohesive set of proposals?
21:50:08 From Martin Dow : (paper as probe)
21:50:21 From charles blass : ^^ yes
21:57:51 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : That would be great
21:57:53 From Charlotte Pierce : Mapping is a fabulous idea
21:58:41 From Martin Dow : Can also spin out documents for >1 submission from a map
21:59:57 From joe To Melanie(Privately) : Eric Weinstein / Theil.  DISC. Distributed Idea Suppression Complex. Elsevier, 2.54 Billion revenue. Relex is traded from Amsterdam, making 7.84
22:04:58 From Paola Ricaurte Quijano : I’m sorry I have to leave now. Thank you for the session!
22:05:09 From Roland Legrand : Take care Paola!
22:05:13 From joe : thank you
22:07:14 From Martin Dow : https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-portal/id1469999563
22:07:24 From Martin Dow : ^^ portal podcast
22:08:18 From Charlotte Pierce : The Portal podcast - 1st episode
22:09:05 From charles blass : global challenges foundation prize was $5 million
22:09:29 From charles blass : GCC - global challenges collaboration group on facebook
22:11:08 From joe : Monetizing, and distributing ideas - the power in distributing 250,000 journals - if we wanted to go on the road and play our songs
22:12:19 From melanie : What are people looking for. Where is the customer/ user view point in this discussion? Building a product /service doesn’t = use of the product / service
22:12:31 From Martin Dow : Not to attach to any "solution" but just highlight that "wealth" and "reputation" explicitly tied to the contributor <-> contributor/reader and so on are being batted about in the P2P space, eg https://www.sacred.capital/
22:15:27 From melanie : “you can’t decide your own value” - great point
22:17:08 From joe : "what can we do with 50 people who are not in the room?"
22:19:00 From charles blass : still curious to pursue the inquiry,
"Peeragogy Community Currency"

also worth reminding re "DAO" which wasn't mentioned today, i.e., 'decentralized autonomous org.' which we've discussed at some length at the end of last year - perhaps some combo of a DAO and community currency?
22:21:15 From Roland Legrand : bye take care all
22:21:19 From Roland Legrand : Keep distance
22:21:23 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : Do we work on future game that Roland proposed last week next time?
22:21:39 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : The game is great.
Now we cannot group all togheter…
We try to play #radar...
22:21:54 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : I must apologize.
I understand what I can.
But it is still enlightening listen to this conversation
The distribution of ideas is so rich...
22:22:33 From Graziano Maino - Pares Cooperativa : I have to go, now it is night in Italy :-)
22:23:37 From melanie : two pieces of info that might be useful in moving forward form the platform design toolkit which is used to uncover & discover what’s happening (the music) in an ecosystem: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/how-to-build-platforms-shaping-our-society-c5ed23dd8569

7-key-platform-design-principles-d84cc78b9218
22:24:35 From Martin Dow : ^^ cool
22:27:26 From Robert Best : https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/7-key-platform-design-principles-d84cc78b9218
22:28:42 From joe : Martin Dow: what Joshua talked about, rethinking scholarly knowledge supply chain. E.g., thinking about DOI from "within the industry". Information modelling and exchange side.
22:29:23 From joe : When you were talking about pivoting off into the dark web, e.g., setting up a DOI registration authority & a radical community in the same ecosystem that the academics live in
22:29:43 From joe : There are politics involved in becomeing a DOI registration authority. It's possible to pull this off...
22:30:33 From joe : Worth threading this out. It may not be necessary to have a technology pivot, we could just use the existing infrastructure for a different kind of work. Like ORCid
22:30:39 From joe : "A DOI for people"
22:31:00 From charles blass : https://www.doi.org/faq.html
22:31:01 From joe : To convince people e.g. that datasets need proper registration - what metadata can you put behind it. It's run on the handle system.
22:31:14 From joe : It challenges the academics from the inside.
22:32:27 From joe : Martin Dow: business in UK, physically based in Ireland
22:32:56 From joe : Working on business activities in EU. Was bouncing between Ireland, London.
22:33:04 From joe : joseph....@hyperreal.enterprises
22:34:14 From joe : Commercial Archives
22:34:34 From joe : Needs to be somebody who looks at the wealth of info & generate narratives from that
22:35:04 From joe : We keep generating more volume of information... but this role of archive-production / curation-production ... it gives a sense of feed forward.
22:35:29 From joe : It's not a chaotic mass of parallel communities generating stuff, but in fact it feeds into (in eddys and circles) today
22:35:37 From joe : and tomorrow too
22:35:57 From joe : If we wish it, through access, we can have all of the digital past as the present
22:36:42 From charles blass : 'data butler'
22:36:49 From joe : There is a creative and active role in looking at the archival / digital... extremely important role of curation. There's an existing profession (archivist, asset management...) but there is also the emergence of sense-making, data journalism